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Post by Douay-Rheims-Challoner on Feb 13, 2016 20:24:58 GMT -5
In less than a week, this thread has more posts in it than our Twin Peaks season three thread has managed since 2014.
Fun fact. And now Star Trek White Rabbit, because why not
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Post by Desert Dweller on Feb 13, 2016 20:27:21 GMT -5
That list does have the advantage of having a decent number of Bryan Fuller's Voyager episodes. Though, I agree, you cannot call yourself a real Star Trek fan if you've never seen Threshold. If you can still call yourself a fan after seeing that, then you are a TRUE Trekkie. I was an undergrad when Voyager started. We didn't have a local UPN station, so we basically started a club to watch it - someone would have their parents, who lived about an hour away, record it, and then they'd run it up to the school and we'd watch it in the library. Despite all this trouble we were going to to watch Voyager, Threshold just broke me. I just couldn't watch the show after that. It wasn't just that it was bad, it was that it made me so angry at how bad it was that I decided, for my own mental health, that I needed to stop watching the show. Don't feel too bad. I quit on Voyager after "Threshold", too. I did go back years later and watch later episodes, but I've never been a Voyager fan. I did, however, happily turn out for Season 1 of Enterprise. Before I gave up on that, too. It was only after Trek came to Netflix that I've actually seen all the episodes.
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Post by rimjobflashmob on Feb 14, 2016 0:51:04 GMT -5
Am I the only one who has a bizarre love for Threshold? I mean, it's fucking terrible, but the first 20 minutes or so are legitimately good and Tom's transformation is super unsettling. It's really only the last ten minutes that make the episode the capital W Worst, and even then I'd take memorably bad over mind-numbingly mediocre any day (granted, VOY did that too, but so did every Trek series).
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Post by Post-Lupin on Feb 16, 2016 8:04:45 GMT -5
Am I the only one who has a bizarre love for Threshold? I mean, it's fucking terrible, but the first 20 minutes or so are legitimately good and Tom's transformation is super unsettling. It's really only the last ten minutes that make the episode the capital W Worst, and even then I'd take memorably bad over mind-numbingly mediocre any day (granted, VOY did that too, but so did every Trek series). I Love Threshold! Solid first contact science fiction with well-played horror elements. And look at that cast: Carla Gugino, Brent Spiner, Charles S. Dutton, Peter Fucking Dinklage before anyone had heard of him... Oh, there's something else of that title? Huh.
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Post by Baron von Costume on Feb 16, 2016 12:39:38 GMT -5
I was an undergrad when Voyager started. We didn't have a local UPN station, so we basically started a club to watch it - someone would have their parents, who lived about an hour away, record it, and then they'd run it up to the school and we'd watch it in the library. Despite all this trouble we were going to to watch Voyager, Threshold just broke me. I just couldn't watch the show after that. It wasn't just that it was bad, it was that it made me so angry at how bad it was that I decided, for my own mental health, that I needed to stop watching the show. Don't feel too bad. I quit on Voyager after "Threshold", too. I did go back years later and watch later episodes, but I've never been a Voyager fan. I did, however, happily turn out for Season 1 of Enterprise. Before I gave up on that, too. It was only after Trek came to Netflix that I've actually seen all the episodes. I really wish they'd bring the non-TNG series to netflix in Canada. I'm guessing one of our shitty cable company streaming services has grabbed the rest though.
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Post by Superb Owl 🦉 on Feb 16, 2016 16:49:43 GMT -5
Is anybody else worried about Fuller's comments about wanting to do more a classic Trek series and sounding kind of dismissive of the latter day Trek series like DS9? I get that Fuller's got a good track record, but that just sounds like the kind of thing you heard going into Star Trek '09. I don't care much what time period/universe this thing is set in, and a little swashbuckling adventure is always good, but it would be nice to get a bit more of that DS9 modern, complex season plotting.
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Post by Desert Dweller on Feb 17, 2016 1:05:07 GMT -5
Don't feel too bad. I quit on Voyager after "Threshold", too. I did go back years later and watch later episodes, but I've never been a Voyager fan. I did, however, happily turn out for Season 1 of Enterprise. Before I gave up on that, too. It was only after Trek came to Netflix that I've actually seen all the episodes. I really wish they'd bring the non-TNG series to netflix in Canada. I'm guessing one of our shitty cable company streaming services has grabbed the rest though. I'm not so sure. I have a friend in Toronto who really wants to see DS9, but she can't find it anywhere in Canada. She said she noticed that Crave TV had it, but she didn't yet have access to that service. She was hoping to get access to it this year, but I gather it took some actual government policy to make that service available to subscribers of a competing cable company.
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Post by Desert Dweller on Feb 17, 2016 1:05:21 GMT -5
Is anybody else worried about Fuller's comments about wanting to do more a classic Trek series and sounding kind of dismissive of the latter day Trek series like DS9? I get that Fuller's got a good track record, but that just sounds like the kind of thing you heard going into Star Trek '09. I don't care much what time period/universe this thing is set in, and a little swashbuckling adventure is always good, but it would be nice to get a bit more of that DS9 modern, complex season plotting. Not too worried. Fuller has said that DS9 is his favorite Trek series.
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Post by Ben Grimm on Feb 17, 2016 6:57:52 GMT -5
Is anybody else worried about Fuller's comments about wanting to do more a classic Trek series and sounding kind of dismissive of the latter day Trek series like DS9? I get that Fuller's got a good track record, but that just sounds like the kind of thing you heard going into Star Trek '09. I don't care much what time period/universe this thing is set in, and a little swashbuckling adventure is always good, but it would be nice to get a bit more of that DS9 modern, complex season plotting. Not too worried. Fuller has said that DS9 is his favorite Trek series. My impression that his talk about TOS was primarily related to the visuals - he wanted the new show to look more like TOS than the others. And I"d tend to agree with him.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2016 10:35:38 GMT -5
I really love the TOS visual & design style, and I'd love to see a modern take on that - not the "we're going to go back to TOS except we're going to throw everything out but the colors of the uniforms in some scenes" visual aesthetic of the Abrams films.
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Post by Douay-Rheims-Challoner on Feb 17, 2016 12:05:46 GMT -5
Is anybody else worried about Fuller's comments about wanting to do more a classic Trek series and sounding kind of dismissive of the latter day Trek series like DS9? These comments came at a time Fuller was pitching his series as being connected to Abrams' films - which is no longer the case. The impression I got was Fuller felt he could really run with a nu-60s feel on such a project. On the other hand, my understanding of Alex Kurtzmann - who brought Fuller onboard - is that while J.J. Abrams was the guy in the movies that wasn't a Star Trek fan, and Roberto Orci cast himself as the big Trek nerd (who was also the nerd whisperer who got into discussions and, ultimately, fights on Star Trek websites) Alex Kurtzmann was the middle ground guy who basically liked the original series. The program may still lean in that general direction. The photo Bryan Fuller tweeted to note he was now on Star Trek. Note the Next Generation era uniform, which any pedant can tell you is clearly pre-Generations based on the commbadge.And now the trailer for Mortal Coil, the first Star Trek episode where Bryan Fuller was the only credited story/writer guy: Beginning to think all my posts should end with an obligatory UPN trailer. There's enough related to Fuller for this to work for a while!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2016 12:34:03 GMT -5
Orci strikes me as the kind of "Trek nerd" who can drop a bunch of minutiae and references into things to show how he is a "fan" (and to justify his writing choices) but who completely misses a huge chunk of the meaning behind his knowledge. It's one of the core things I find so wrong about the reboot films. References & details dropped in without meaning or even a basic understanding of them.
I'm very interested to see how Fuller's show orients itself with respect to the timelines and universes. Does CBS stick to the prime universe and leave the Abrams universe to Paramount, or do they steer into the skid of cross-corporate synergy? Does this show set itself in the TOS period, a TNG/VOY/DS9-esque period, or something else? Etc.
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Post by Douay-Rheims-Challoner on Feb 17, 2016 12:47:23 GMT -5
Orci strikes me as the kind of "Trek nerd" who can drop a bunch of minutiae and references into things to show how he is a "fan" (and to justify his writing choices) but who completely misses a huge chunk of the meaning behind his knowledge. Quite, but my point is more how they positioned themselves, and what that might tell us about how they might approach this (but who knows, really.) Anyway, all we know about its relationship to past Star Trek, again, is according to Variety they'll have their won 'mythology' instead; which remains really the only thing of subtance anyone has said about this show (as opposed to Fuller's floating ideas about what he might do from 2013.)
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Post by Superb Owl 🦉 on Feb 17, 2016 12:52:45 GMT -5
Ah, I didn't follow that those statements were that outdated. Hopefully this thing gets to breathe a bit on it's own. Honestly, I wonder if they shouldn't take the same approach that Disney took towards Star Wars: We aren't going to be just too worried about maintaining every last bit of the old canon, but if there's good stuff there that isn't a pain in the butt to write around, we'll keep it.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2016 13:01:18 GMT -5
Quite, but my point is more how they positioned themselves, and what that might tell us about how they might approach this (but who knows, really.) Oh sure - I just have a reflex, finely honed over the last several years, to complain about Roberto Orci.
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Post by Douay-Rheims-Challoner on Feb 23, 2016 13:04:27 GMT -5
Okay it's just a rumour, but Tony Todd may be under consideration as a regular for this show. Like I said, rumour, and if true - and the source is Tony Todd himself - unclear why he'd casually mention it on a podcast. And yes, that Tony Todd - The Crow, Candyman, apparently the Flash TV series, but most importantly, he was Worf's brother Kurn on a number of episodes of Star Trek: The Next Generation (and one unfortunate turn on Deep Space Nine) and also played an older version of Jake Sisko on "The Visitor" again on Deep Space Nine widely regarded as one of the best episodes of that show and in the Star Trek franchise in general. Tony Todd as older Jake in the Visitor.(Okay fine he was also an Alpha Hirogen on Voyager.)
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Post by Baron von Costume on Feb 24, 2016 10:52:23 GMT -5
I really wish they'd bring the non-TNG series to netflix in Canada. I'm guessing one of our shitty cable company streaming services has grabbed the rest though. I'm not so sure. I have a friend in Toronto who really wants to see DS9, but she can't find it anywhere in Canada. She said she noticed that Crave TV had it, but she didn't yet have access to that service. She was hoping to get access to it this year, but I gather it took some actual government policy to make that service available to subscribers of a competing cable company. Yeah, our cable companies have such a firm monopoly in huge chunks of the country that the regulator needs to (and thankfully has been lately) smack them down every so often. One such thing was their new netflix wannabe services like crave in that they were locked to only subscribers of that cable company at first despite there being no earthly reason why that should be the case. The reason this was particular egregious is that the TV services for one company or the other are completely unavailable in some areas of Canada yet these companies were buying up Canada-wide exclusives on some content. I'm glad they ruled against them, I believe that was around the same time they legislated that a cheap basic package and near a la carte options needed to be available by December as well.
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Post by Douay-Rheims-Challoner on Feb 26, 2016 15:36:38 GMT -5
Nicholas Meyer joins the new Star Trek. Now most of you will know Nicholas Meyer as the director of two Star Trek films - Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country, and Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan - but did you also know he was a writer for Star Trek VI: The Voyage Home? The literary joke in the middle here about certain authors being considered 'the giants' in the future was Meyer's.
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Post by Ben Grimm on Feb 26, 2016 15:40:08 GMT -5
Between Fuller and Meyer I'm hoping I can keep my expectations in check for this show.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2016 15:49:05 GMT -5
Holy shit, did *not* see that coming. Fuller was a big enough deal, but having Meyer back on board? I cannot believe how many good omens are coming out of this thing.
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Post by Superb Owl 🦉 on Feb 26, 2016 15:49:27 GMT -5
Nicholas Meyer joins the new Star Trek. Now most of you will know Nicholas Meyer as the director of two Star Trek films - Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country, and Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan - but did you also know he was a writer for Star Trek VI: The Voyage Home? Yes, because I was a big nerd kid that asked for behind-the-scenes Star Trek books for Christmas and damn near memorized the things.
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Post by Douay-Rheims-Challoner on Feb 26, 2016 15:52:27 GMT -5
Superb Owl 🦉 I will not tolerate people who read behind the scenes books on this website unless they all remember that the Art of Star Trek incorrectly assumed the Defiant was a Valiant class starship.
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Post by Superb Owl 🦉 on Feb 26, 2016 16:00:43 GMT -5
Superb Owl 🦉 I will not tolerate people who read behind the scenes books on this website unless they all remember that the Art of Star Trek incorrectly assumed the Defiant was a Valiant class starship. But the name is the same as the ship! How?!
And no, it was a different book, the name escapes me. I'm sure it's still in my old bedroom closet at mom and dad's though.
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Post by Jean Luc de Lemur on Feb 29, 2016 18:47:14 GMT -5
YES. YISS. YAAAASSSSS.OKAY CBS ALL ACCESS YOU HAVE MY MONEY. As for the Valiant-class thing the confusion was as follows: early on they were going to call the Defiant the Valiant, but Paramount nixed it because Voyager was under development at the time and they didn’t want two V-ships (and a good thing too, since as a name Defiant kicks Valiant’s ass). However, it took a while for it to be firmly established that the Defiant was the actual prototype ship for the class, so all the concept drawings read Valiant-class for a long time and even the original dedication plaque (unfortunately the only picture reference I could find was locked behind a forum registration)read Valiant-class. And the process of designing the ship and building the sets was pretty chaotic, with a lot of it well underway before the ship’s design was even finalized, thus we have Okudagrams depicting draft versions of the ship, and a lot of stuff about the design—even basic stuff like how many decks it had— was never really nailed down. Now, whether the Pasteur was Hope- or Olympic-class is beyond my level of knowledge…
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Post by Douay-Rheims-Challoner on Feb 29, 2016 19:22:48 GMT -5
Jean Luc de Lemur If memory serves, Ron Moore eventually called out specifically that publications like the Art of Star Trek got it wrong in one of his famed internet discussions in the late nineties. I want to say it happened around the time of the episode "Valiant," since that ship not being a prototype raised the question, but who knows. Anyway: This is one of the most substantive interviews in terms of what the show is about, but it tells us precious little. Let's line it up! Combine this with the oft repeated Variety quote: And we're beginning to get one consistent sense of this series, to wit, it very much wishes to be its own beast - if the 2009 film Star Trek hit multiple beats people associate with the franchise (a redshirt dies, Kirk sleeps with a green alien woman*, Sulu's good with swords) and both it and its sequel drew heavily on Wrath of Khan for inspiration - Fuller's series is off with a different, distinct end of the mythology to play with, and is inspired not by the revenge-obsessed villains that have dominated Star Trek media for the last couple of film iterations, but instead by - presumably - the frayed political drama that drove the Undiscovered Country, one of the best Star Trek films and yet largely unmined for endless material, though its depiction of Klingon relations is I think a far more fertile ground of inspiration than Khan (in the end IMHO, Khan works not because of his backstory, but because he's Ricardo Montalban.) Now if you excuse me, I've got something in my eye.Oh, yeah, and there'll be new civilizations - though that's part of the Star Trek logline, and every single series has introduced new aliens (and had a new alien species as a regular character) so that in itself isn't revealing, but given the implication politics may play a role, I wonder if it won't be about politics regarding a new species. *He never did this on the show, but it's one of those ideas of what Star Trek was that's kind of mimetic.
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Post by Ben Grimm on Feb 29, 2016 19:44:42 GMT -5
MY fantasy show at this point is that they explore a new galaxy, maybe a century after TNG. What he says could easily line up with that.
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Post by Douay-Rheims-Challoner on Mar 1, 2016 9:47:30 GMT -5
Les Moonves says international distribution can pay for up to sixty percent of the costs of the show; talking cagily about China but also hinting other distributors are very interested. Picking up Star Trek: The Next Generation from the BBC and airing it at prime time, and not the morning slot the show had done, was part of how Sky One became a dominant channel in the 1990s (though the X-Files and the Simpsons also helped) and they picked up every Star Trek show after that... but it's been ten years since they had one, and, while they bid for the X-Files revival, they didn't pick that up; it wound up going to Channel 5 in the UK (and public brodcaster RTE2 in Ireland.) So the tl;dr is I have no idea for certain where Star Trek will end up in UK and/or Ireland, but good money a lot of distributors will want it; but I really hope it's not Amazon Prime or something else I wouldn't be able to buy. Random music video about Tuvok.
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Post by Superb Owl 🦉 on Mar 1, 2016 11:16:17 GMT -5
I'm not super familiar with all the nitty-gritty of Trek canon, but in theory, if this show got set in a post-Undiscovered Country time period, wouldn't there be huge swaths of Klingon-controlled space that the Federation would have previously been barred from exploring? I think there's a potentially interesting show in that setting.
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Post by Ben Grimm on Mar 1, 2016 12:00:51 GMT -5
I'm not super familiar with all the nitty-gritty of Trek canon, but in theory, if this show got set in a post-Undiscovered Country time period, wouldn't there be huge swaths of Klingon-controlled space that the Federation would have previously been barred from exploring? I think there's a potentially interesting show in that setting. If that's indeed the direction they're going in, that's possible. But I took the ST6 reference as being more thematic than (at least necessarily) chronological. But, in all honesty, we really know essentially nothing at this point.
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Post by Baron von Costume on Mar 3, 2016 15:10:07 GMT -5
While I agree with you on it being thematic, as I've said previously I'd love if they struck out into the Post ST6 galaxy.
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