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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2016 9:46:05 GMT -5
This has been a great week - finally seeing "Beyond" and finding it utterly charming, and getting all this news for the Fuller show.
The Discovery is an interesting ship, what with its whole "Planet of the Titans" look. I'm deeply intrigued by the backstory there in-universe. (As pointed out, it also has some resemblance to a Starfleet ship cross-pollinating with a Klingon D7. I also note that it looks a bit like the IDIC symbol.)
And the Prime universe setting makes me giddy (though Beyond has shown that the Kelvin timeline can be done more properly Star Trek-y than it has in prior films).
I also am not entirely sold on the graphic design of the logo - it looks oddly aggressive and "edgy," and not in the kind of way I'd imagine for a Trek show. We'll see.
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Post by Douay-Rheims-Challoner on Jul 25, 2016 10:02:34 GMT -5
And the Prime universe setting makes me giddy (though Beyond has shown that the Kelvin timeline can be done more properly Star Trek-y than it has in prior films). This is a reason the universe argument has felt less significant to me than often posited - what universe a Star Trek series or film is in is no indicator of its quality, just what canon it has to try to adhere to; the Kelvin Timeline is essentially just a Star Trek with a whole lot of less canon, allowing for more re-association of various existing bits of lore (one could, for example, remix the Dominion War in a Kelvin setting if one so cared to.) The most significant part of the timeline issue for me is, basically, picking up plot threads and characters from the old shows. If you're in the Prime Universe, you can do "Relics" type episodes, episodes where castmembers of another show turn up, now older and having become somewhat different people, as Scotty did in that episode. And, of course, every Star Trek spinoff has involved another character however briefly showing up to see that series off - McCoy appeared in the Next Generation pilot, Picard in the Deep Space Nine pilot, Quark in the Voyager pilot and Zefram Cochrane (the character James Cromwell played in the movie First Contact) in the Enterprise pilot. I'm wondering who that might be for Discovery. If the show is post-Enterprise and pre-Original Series - and there are design elements of the Discovery that recall that show's Enterprise's design - it could possibly be Captain Archer himself; Scott Bakula is already under contract with CBS as the lead of NCIS: New Orleans so it doesn't sound too prohibitive for him to show up to Toronto to film a scene (and he was also at Comic Con for the Star Trek fiftieth anniversary.)
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Post by Baron von Costume on Jul 25, 2016 10:39:17 GMT -5
For everywhere outside of the US and Canada, Netflix is Star Trek TV's new home. Presumably this means the episodes will be available the day after their US release, which is how Netflix has handled such American shows as Better Call Saul, From Dusk Till Dawn and Orphan Black for foreign audiences like yours truly. It's worrying that netflix doesn't have it here. That means it's likely going to show up on one of the cable company proprietary netflix wannabes which will be terrible because I know literally one person who subscribes to one of them. It's bad enough that we have shitburger netflix and no Amazon Prime here, we really don't need to get locked into the American style for other things too and get the worst of both worlds. I mean obviously I'll watch it via other sources but bleh...
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Post by sarapen on Jul 25, 2016 12:20:30 GMT -5
Soon to be filming in Toronto's finest warehouses. Though I admit there's a decent amount of outdoor scenery within driving distance, and of course Toronto is nothing if not adept in pretending to be anything but itself. We probably won't ever see that one Star Trek canyon again, though. I do know someone who works as an extra and she says the community in TO is excited for the probable new jobs coming in. She also was an alien in Defiance and a jilted date on Orphan Black, plus she will get cussed out by Tom Jane on season 2 of The Expanse, so she's an old hand in standing in the background of science fiction shows. Anyway, I'm cautiously optimistic for this new show. I'm feeling put out about the crap streaming situation, but I guess I can hook up my laptop to my TV and watch from the show's website. Is your friend going to have to learn to speak/gesture in Belter dialect for her Expanse gig? She's an extra. All she does is stand there while Tom Jane acts hostile toward her. I don't think she's ever talked in any of her roles. But she's pretty tall, so I can see why they made her a Belter.
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Post by Desert Dweller on Jul 25, 2016 23:58:59 GMT -5
For everywhere outside of the US and Canada, Netflix is Star Trek TV's new home. Presumably this means the episodes will be available the day after their US release, which is how Netflix has handled such American shows as Better Call Saul, From Dusk Till Dawn and Orphan Black for foreign audiences like yours truly. It's worrying that netflix doesn't have it here. That means it's likely going to show up on one of the cable company proprietary netflix wannabes which will be terrible because I know literally one person who subscribes to one of them. It's bad enough that we have shitburger netflix and no Amazon Prime here, we really don't need to get locked into the American style for other things too and get the worst of both worlds. I mean obviously I'll watch it via other sources but bleh... As per Wikipedia: For Canada, the premiere will be broadcast on the CTV network on the same night as the U.S. premiere, with subsequent episodes initially aired on Bell's cable channels—Space in English, Cinépop in French—before being streamed on CraveTV.Damn, that is annoying. My friend in Toronto was finally going to get Netflix because all of Star Trek started streaming there. And now the new series is going to be on a different system entirely? Ugh. I'm going to have to send her links to other sources. I know she hates watching on her computer, but she may have to.
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Post by Desert Dweller on Jul 26, 2016 0:00:43 GMT -5
The Discovery is an interesting ship, what with its whole "Planet of the Titans" look. I'm deeply intrigued by the backstory there in-universe. (As pointed out, it also has some resemblance to a Starfleet ship cross-pollinating with a Klingon D7. I also note that it looks a bit like the IDIC symbol.) Ah, yes, there was one thing I meant to say about the exterior ship design. Thank you for reminding me!: I do like how it is kind of a hybrid between a Federation ship and a Klingon D7.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2016 11:23:21 GMT -5
A couple of other angles of the McQuarrie "Planet of the Titans" concept art for comparison:
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Post by Roy Batty's Pet Dove on Jul 26, 2016 22:00:56 GMT -5
A couple of other angles of the McQuarrie "Planet of the Titans" concept art for comparison: How could a spaceship rust in a vacuum?
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Post by Roy Batty's Pet Dove on Jul 26, 2016 22:12:59 GMT -5
And the Prime universe setting makes me giddy (though Beyond has shown that the Kelvin timeline can be done more properly Star Trek-y than it has in prior films). And, of course, every Star Trek spinoff has involved another character however briefly showing up to see that series off - McCoy appeared in the Next Generation pilot, Picard in the Deep Space Nine pilot, Quark in the Voyager pilot and Zefram Cochrane (the character James Cromwell played in the movie First Contact) in the Enterprise pilot. I'm wondering who that might be for Discovery. If the show is post-Enterprise and pre-Original Series - and there are design elements of the Discovery that recall that show's Enterprise's design - it could possibly be Captain Archer himself; Scott Bakula is already under contract with CBS as the lead of NCIS: New Orleans so it doesn't sound too prohibitive for him to show up to Toronto to film a scene (and he was also at Comic Con for the Star Trek fiftieth anniversary.) Don't forget Kirk and Spock appearing in the back door pilot for and only episode of Assignment: Earth.
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Post by Baron von Costume on Jul 28, 2016 9:27:55 GMT -5
It's worrying that netflix doesn't have it here. That means it's likely going to show up on one of the cable company proprietary netflix wannabes which will be terrible because I know literally one person who subscribes to one of them. It's bad enough that we have shitburger netflix and no Amazon Prime here, we really don't need to get locked into the American style for other things too and get the worst of both worlds. I mean obviously I'll watch it via other sources but bleh... As per Wikipedia: For Canada, the premiere will be broadcast on the CTV network on the same night as the U.S. premiere, with subsequent episodes initially aired on Bell's cable channels—Space in English, Cinépop in French—before being streamed on CraveTV.Damn, that is annoying. My friend in Toronto was finally going to get Netflix because all of Star Trek started streaming there. And now the new series is going to be on a different system entirely? Ugh. I'm going to have to send her links to other sources. I know she hates watching on her computer, but she may have to. That's actually better than I expected. I stopped paying for Space because it was in a bundle I didn't give any shits about anything else in but by law by the time the series premieres all the cable companies have to offer unbundled channels (we'll see what method they use to screw us for that) so I can hopefully drop some stuff and get Space instead. It sucks that it's on Crave streaming but sadly it's looking like pretty much anything new is going to be snapped up by one of the two unless netflix negotiates a North America wide deal on it which they don't seem super into doing (I'm sure the cable co's are trying to build exclusivity into their first air purchases for things of course too but that won't last tons longer)
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Post by Desert Dweller on Jul 28, 2016 22:55:25 GMT -5
The question then is how long will it take to get to Netflix Canada? My friend said all of Trek except TNG had been exclusive to Crave until earlier this month. If the rest of Trek is now on Netflix, how long would they keep new Trek off it?
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Post by Baron von Costume on Jul 29, 2016 9:01:23 GMT -5
The question then is how long will it take to get to Netflix Canada? My friend said all of Trek except TNG had been exclusive to Crave until earlier this month. If the rest of Trek is now on Netflix, how long would they keep new Trek off it? Well, Crave had had it for the last contract, but previously Voyager was on Netflix Canada for a bit right around when I first signed up I think. I would imagine Crave will probably keep it as long as first run episodes are airing/streaming though. TNG has bounced on and off netflix a couple times while I've been a subscriber I mean as much as I hate the new ones coming in at least there is now theoretically a legal way to watch some of these series now. It's still the case for some show but for a while there was literally no way to watch Amazon Prime shows in big chunks of Canada for example. Edit: In terms of actual trek talk. I really really dislike the ship design. I admit to being a bit of a ship design ubernerd but I don't see how that's fitting into the design lineage in any way now that they've announced it's prime universe. (I'm totally fine with them trying something different but blargh at that choice) I'm somewhat leery of whatever in universe explanation there is for it but whatever. I'm looking forward to the show but if that's the final design I'm going to be rooting for an end of year blow up the ship cliffhanger every season. (though we all know they only do that every 3rd movie or so after the series is done.)
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Post by Douay-Rheims-Challoner on Jul 30, 2016 17:02:33 GMT -5
I really really dislike the ship design. I admit to being a bit of a ship design ubernerd but I don't see how that's fitting into the design lineage in any way now that they've announced it's prime universe. I think it looks like a post-Enterprise design - look at the brownish colour and the hull attachment behind the saucer (and this period would fit a registry that's slightly younger than the TOS Enterprise), but the apparent Klingon influences - like the positioning of the nacelles, which is typical of Klingon ships like the D7 and the K'tinga - doesn't fit that likely period if this was some kind of collaboration between the Federation and the Klingons, as theorised.
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Post by Douay-Rheims-Challoner on Aug 2, 2016 13:47:39 GMT -5
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Post by Douay-Rheims-Challoner on Aug 3, 2016 17:31:23 GMT -5
Jean Luc de Lemur My impression of Section 31 is they were the Federation's equivalent of the Tal Shiar and the Obsidian Order (in a truer sense than Starfleet Intelligence was) which in context made them kind of a natural direction for Bashir's arc, after years of sparring with a disgraced member of one of those organisations. I suppose to play devil's advocate I could imagine a Section 31 series that could work - say, about operatives who truly believe everything they are doing is worth it to protect the utopian clarity of the Federation (like Elizabeth on the Americans) but honestly to the extent the idea works it's as an antagonist, another variation on the rogue Starfleet officer or operation that the crews of various shows have put down over the years (just implicitly more organised and influential.) I'd really like a Star Trek more optimistic than that - after all, Deep Space Nine told its Section 31 stories through Bashir, one of the most principled Starfleet characters on that show. The Section 31 idea strikes me a bit like the Mirror Universe idea (one of the things Devin Faraci has thought the series might be); the kind of thing that might seem neat at a casual acquaintance but doesn't stand up to much scrutiny. To the extent the Mirror Universe is fun - and I am very fond of it - it's to present a funhouse mirror version of familiar characters; it doesn't work at all without that context. If Discovery ever does a MU story or a similar parallel type story ("Yesterday's Enterprise" on TNG and "Living Witness" on Voyager contain part of the MU's appeal while clearly not being specifically set in that universe) it would be wise to hold off at least a season, by which point we will be familiar enough with the cast for the contrast to feel notable (as an aside, one of the few space opera shows on TV, Dark Matter, is indulging in a parallel universe story this week, not coincidentally it is in its second season.) Anyway on Klingons: I definitely heard both a Klingon klaxon and a Klingon cloaking device sound in the trailer, which implies at minimum something is going on involving the Klingons.
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Post by Douay-Rheims-Challoner on Aug 9, 2016 11:24:02 GMT -5
So, Bryan Fuller posted this makeup teaser: Those distinctive antennae are almost certainly, of course, the Andorians, who have been an iconic and fan favourite race since the original series, though barely actually used until Enterprise, as below: Archer fights Shran, Enterprise's recurring Andorian character.Though of course it's technically possible it could be an Aenar, a blind, telepathic off-shoot of the Andorians who briefly appeared on Enterprise (I wouldn't bet on it): If the series is set shortly before the original series, then the Andorians are part of the United Federation of Planets (they were one of the four founding member worlds, actually) so the makeup likely hints at an Andorian main character in Discovery's cast, as opposed to, say, using Andorians as an antagonist group (which was part of their role on Enterprise, set prior to the creation of the Federation.) Of course, the pilot may simply feature the Andorians in some other guest or minor role, which is usually how they've been used - Fuller's said we'll hear more about the show tomorrow so he may clarify then. Also, Kirk fought an Andorian one time. It turned out to be a fake Andorian; yet still their most notable use on the original show.
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Post by Superb Owl 🦉 on Aug 9, 2016 13:12:36 GMT -5
So, Bryan Fuller posted this makeup teaser: Those distinctive antennae are almost certainly, of course, the Andorians, who have been an iconic and fan favourite race since the original series, though barely actually used until Enterprise, as below: Archer fights Shran, Enterprise's recurring Andorian character.Though of course it's technically possible it could be an Aenar, a blind, telepathic off-shoot of the Andorians who briefly appeared on Enterprise (I wouldn't bet on it): If the series is set shortly before the original series, then the Andorians are part of the United Federation of Planets (they were one of the four founding member worlds, actually) so the makeup likely hints at an Andorian main character in Discovery's cast, as opposed to, say, using Andorians as an antagonist group (which was part of their role on Enterprise, set prior to the creation of the Federation.) Of course, the pilot may simply feature the Andorians in some other guest or minor role, which is usually how they've been used - Fuller's said we'll hear more about the show tomorrow so he may clarify then. Also, Kirk fought an Andorian one time. It turned out to be a fake Andorian; yet still their most notable use on the original show.I watched that ep recently and either I hadn't ever actually seen it before or had mostly forgotten it, but it was a bit jarring to have Spock and Sarek end the episode by exchanging "Ladies, amiright?" jokes.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2016 16:12:36 GMT -5
The greater presence of Andorians was one of the most entertaining things about ENT, so I'd be super on-board to have one in the main cast.
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Post by Douay-Rheims-Challoner on Aug 11, 2016 8:00:25 GMT -5
Okay, well, a lot of new Star Trek: Discovery information. Firstly, it's set ten years before the original series - which situates it around the same time as the original pilot, so people may be dressing like this: There are seven lead characters, including a woman Lieutenant Commander, likely non-white (Fuller has cited Mae Jemison as an influence for this character) - who is the series lead, as opposed to being a show with a captain lead. Her rank as Lieutenant Commander has unspecified 'caveats.' Mae Jemison: First African-American woman in space.There will also be a gay character, and a number of aliens - more than usual, Fuller says, which suggests a minimum of three; one of them is named Saru. He's talked about both creating new alien species for the series and redesigning existing species (if I had to guess, Saru is one of the new ones.) For the record, Deep Space Nine had the most alien species of any Star Trek show - five out of the show's nine characters.The Hollywood Reporter also asserts this cast includes a female Admiral, a male Klingon captain, a male Admiral, a male adviser and a British male doctor. Star Trek already had a British male doctor, mind.Robots will be involved in some way, and key to the show's story is an event that has been referenced in the original series but is not the Battle of Axanar or the Romulan War. Fuller has retweeted something that suggested it was the 'Klingon Wars' - there's no actual Klingon war before the original series in canon (there was a brief one during the show, however) but there was the Battle of Donatu V, referred to in "The Trouble with Tribbles," so this may be relevant, and at any rate consistent with the already suggested idea that the Klingons are involved in this show (the Klingon Captain could be an antagonist, fitting with the more modern TV serial structure, where antagonists are usually part of the main cast.) A non-canon source about a pre-TOS Klingon War, one of the inspirations for that Axanar fan film that's been in the news.So that's what we got. Fuller's also open to having Amanda Grayson on the show, but as that was in response to a question, I don't think it's something we should actually expect anytime soon. I think his comment about Section 31 having 'marbled' influence, whatever that means, can be similarly treated. I wouldn't be surprised if the interest in using Amanda Grayson is due to her having been played by Winona Ryder in the 2009 movie, given her recent role in the acclaimed Stranger Things.
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Post by Roy Batty's Pet Dove on Aug 11, 2016 9:09:37 GMT -5
Okay, well, a lot of new Star Trek: Discovery information. Firstly, it's set ten years before the original series - which situates it around the same time as the original pilot, so people may be dressing like this: There are seven lead characters, including a woman Lieutenant Commander, likely non-white (Fuller has cited Mae Jemison as an influence for this character) - who is the series lead, as opposed to being a show with a captain lead. Her rank as Lieutenant Commander has unspecified 'caveats.' Mae Jemison: First African-American woman in space.There will also be a gay character, and a number of aliens - more than usual, Fuller says, which suggests a minimum of three; one of them is named Saru. He's talked about both creating new alien species for the series and redesigning existing species (if I had to guess, Saru is one of the new ones.) For the record, Deep Space Nine had the most alien species of any Star Trek show - five out of the show's nine characters.The Hollywood Reporter also asserts this cast includes a female Admiral, a male Klingon captain, a male Admiral, a male adviser and a British male doctor. Star Trek already had a British male doctor, mind.Robots will be involved in some way, and key to the show's story is an event that has been referenced in the original series but is not the Battle of Axanar or the Romulan War. Fuller has retweeted something that suggested it was the 'Klingon Wars' - there's no actual Klingon war before the original series in canon (there was a brief one during the show, however) but there was the Battle of Donatu V, referred to in "The Trouble with Tribbles," so this may be relevant, and at any rate consistent with the already suggested idea that the Klingons are involved in this show (the Klingon Captain could be an antagonist, fitting with the more modern TV serial structure, where antagonists are usually part of the main cast.) A non-canon source about a pre-TOS Klingon War, one of the inspirations for that Axanar fan film that's been in the news.So that's what we got. Fuller's also open to having Amanda Grayson on the show, but as that was in response to a question, I don't think it's something we should actually expect anytime soon. I think his comment about Section 31 having 'marbled' influence, whatever that means, can be similarly treated. I wouldn't be surprised if the interest in using Amanda Grayson is due to her having been played by Winona Ryder in the 2009 movie, given her recent role in the acclaimed Stranger Things.Are Lieutenant Commanders ranked below Captains?
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Post by Baron von Costume on Aug 11, 2016 9:19:40 GMT -5
Are Lieutenant Commanders ranked below Captains? In Trek it seems like Lt. Cmdr. is generally 1st/2nd officer sort of level depending on importance of assignment.
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Post by Roy Batty's Pet Dove on Aug 11, 2016 9:24:10 GMT -5
Are Lieutenant Commanders ranked below Captains? In Trek it seems like Lt. Cmdr. is generally 1st/2nd officer sort of level depending on importance of assignment. Wait, is Data one of those, at least at the beginning of TNG?
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Post by Baron von Costume on Aug 11, 2016 9:28:54 GMT -5
In Trek it seems like Lt. Cmdr. is generally 1st/2nd officer sort of level depending on importance of assignment. Wait, is Data one of those, at least at the beginning of TNG? Unless I'm mistaken Data is one for the entire length of the show, Geordi progresses to one as Chief Engineer, Worf gets promoted to it at the beginning of Generations etc.
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Post by Ben Grimm on Aug 11, 2016 10:00:30 GMT -5
Are Lieutenant Commanders ranked below Captains? The Starfleet rank structure as we've seen it generally goes: Admiral Commodore Captain Commander Lt. Commander Lieutenant Ensign Other ranks have a vague, undefined relation to these that may or may not resemble modern military ranks.
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Post by Baron von Costume on Aug 11, 2016 10:38:42 GMT -5
Are Lieutenant Commanders ranked below Captains? The Starfleet rank structure as we've seen it generally goes: Admiral Commodore Captain Commander Lt. Commander Lieutenant Ensign Other ranks have a vague, undefined relation to these that may or may not resemble modern military ranks. There's a Lieutenant Junior Grade too (one full pip, one empty pip in TNG era) which Worf/Geordi start out at. Also Broccoli I believe.
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Post by Ben Grimm on Aug 11, 2016 10:42:01 GMT -5
The Starfleet rank structure as we've seen it generally goes: Admiral Commodore Captain Commander Lt. Commander Lieutenant Ensign Other ranks have a vague, undefined relation to these that may or may not resemble modern military ranks. There's a Lieutenant Junior Grade too (one full pip, one empty pip in TNG era) which Worf/Geordi start out at. Also Broccoli I believe. I knew I was forgetting something.
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Post by Baron von Costume on Aug 11, 2016 10:44:38 GMT -5
Oh, also Picard in that "What if I had a heart?" Q episode.
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Post by Post-Lupin on Aug 11, 2016 11:48:25 GMT -5
Are Lieutenant Commanders ranked below Captains? The Starfleet rank structure as we've seen it generally goes: Admiral Commodore Captain Commander Lt. Commander Lieutenant Ensign Other ranks have a vague, undefined relation to these that may or may not resemble modern military ranks. Calling it now: the woman Lt. Commander takes field command of the Discovery after the captain dies.
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Post by Hachiman on Aug 13, 2016 6:38:14 GMT -5
There's a Lieutenant Junior Grade too (one full pip, one empty pip in TNG era) which Worf/Geordi start out at. Also Broccoli I believe. I knew I was forgetting something. You are also forgetting the rank of Chief (Petty Officer?), which was the rank of Miles O'Brien. It is easy to forget as he appears to be the only enlisted man in all of Starfleet.
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Post by Ben Grimm on Aug 13, 2016 7:15:41 GMT -5
I knew I was forgetting something. You are also forgetting the rank of Chief (Petty Officer?), which was the rank of Miles O'Brien. It is easy to forget as he appears to be the only enlisted man in all of Starfleet. That's what I meant by "other ranks" at the end of my original comment; it's just not clear where it fits in. There's very little evidence that Starfleet has enlisted men, to be honest; I think Chief O'Brien was under a completely different command structure for some reason.
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