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Post by Superb Owl 🦉 on Jan 31, 2022 15:03:34 GMT -5
Just got caught back up last night and I am more confused than ever what the point of this show was (beyond keeping the D+ subs rolling in and buying time to figure out Mando season 3).
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Post by DangOlJimmyITellYouWhat on Feb 2, 2022 18:45:55 GMT -5
There is just not enough Boba Fett in the Boba Fett show.
Oh no Space Raylan! Well, at least he got to see his boyfren before gettin shot down in the street.
Y’all, I have to tell you something I don’t remember sharing before: I do not actually care about the Jedi on a level other than “hey Jedi exist and are involved in wars n stuff”. I don’t really care about Jedi training montages. Baby Yoda is not cute because he’s a Force user, he’s cute cause he’s a little kid.
Also I really, really am not a fan of CGI Luke*. It’s creepy, and the more stuff uses CGI versions of actors (aged, dead, or otherwise), the more producers will think it’s perfectly fine to do it. No sir, I don’t like it.
*I’m not a big Luke fan in general, tbh. I just don’t find him that engaging, never have, Well ok I am fond of cranky old guy Luke.
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Post by Ben Grimm on Feb 2, 2022 19:16:52 GMT -5
There is just not enough Boba Fett in the Boba Fett show. I think there were two or three decisions they made with this show - some of them are structural, but one of the biggest is simply calling it the Book of Boba Fett - that are hurting the show, and a big part of that is related to what it's doing to people's expectations. We had four episodes of a Boba Fett show (about half of which was flashbacks), and two episodes of the Mandalorian season 2.5, and those two shows briefly dovetailed today and will probably completely meld next week. I think if they had made this a season of The Mandalorian, with a "Book of Boba Fett" prologue episode/movie that covered the flashbacks, and then episodes that took a two- or three-track approach (Din's plot, Boba's plot, and maybe Luke/Grogu as a possible third), and beefed up Din's plot a bit, they could have recut the existing footage and people would be more positive about it. I don't think it would solve all of the complaints - there's still a looseness to Rodriguez's episodes that is probably an inevitable byproduct of his direction, for one thing - but I think it would have solved some of the criticism that derives from people's expectations of the show.
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Post by Crash Test Dumbass on Feb 2, 2022 21:58:59 GMT -5
Jimmy and Ben said much of what I wanted to say. Creepy De-aged Luke was creepy, and why did he talk like that? Was it also a Mark Hammil impersonator like Tony Stank in What If? Was Lucas visiting and the director was all "the boss is here, quick, act more wooden"? Baby Yoda doing a little tiny jump was adorable. Baby Yoda doin' flips n' shit was exactly as awesome as Yoda doin' flips n' shit in Act II, which is to say "not at all". Also Luke somehow still had Yoda's lightsaber that was lost on the whatever planet and the zappy droid thing from the first movie? WHY THE FUCK WAS THAT BLUE GUY DRESSED LIKE A COWBOY THERE ARE NO COWBOYS ON TATTOOINE. It didn't look cool, it looked anachronistic and tryhard. I'm not sure that was even a good episode of The Baby Yoda Show Also Starring A Mandalorian. Did Bob have more than one line, standing around looking terrible with his big ol' head sticking out of his armor?
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Post by ABz B👹anaz on Feb 2, 2022 22:03:43 GMT -5
Jimmy and Ben said much of what I wanted to say. Creepy De-aged Luke was creepy, and why did he talk like that? Was it also a Mark Hammil impersonator like Tony Stank in What If? Was Lucas visiting and the director was all "the boss is here, quick, act more wooden"? Baby Yoda doing a little tiny jump was adorable. Baby Yoda doin' flips n' shit was exactly as awesome as Yoda doin' flips n' shit in Act II, which is to say "not at all". Also Luke somehow still had Yoda's lightsaber that was lost on the whatever planet and the zappy droid thing from the first movie? WHY THE FUCK WAS THAT BLUE GUY DRESSED LIKE A COWBOY THERE ARE NO COWBOYS ON TATTOOINE. It didn't look cool, it looked anachronistic and tryhard. I'm not sure that was even a good episode of The Baby Yoda Show Also Starring A Mandalorian. Did Bob have more than one line, standing around looking terrible with his big ol' head sticking out of his armor? That was Cad Bane, and Cad Bane the blue bounty hunter guy is awesome. On the other hand, I'm really fucking sick of "The Jedi have no personal attachments" fucking idiotic bullshit being thrown around because DARTH VADER MURDERED THE EMPEROR TO SAVE HIS SON! IF ANYTHING HE PROVED THE JEDI CODE WAS FUCKING COMPLETELY WRONG THE WHOLE GODDAMN TIME! Not to mention Ahsoka and Anakin were close like family, and if she'd been with him she might have kept him from turning in the first place! To have both Ahsoka and Luke spouting that bullshit for Mando and Grogu is just totally fucking insipid.
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Post by Pedantic Editor Type on Feb 2, 2022 22:05:13 GMT -5
Jimmy and Ben said much of what I wanted to say. Creepy De-aged Luke was creepy, and why did he talk like that? Was it also a Mark Hammil impersonator like Tony Stank in What If? Was Lucas visiting and the director was all "the boss is here, quick, act more wooden"? Baby Yoda doing a little tiny jump was adorable. Baby Yoda doin' flips n' shit was exactly as awesome as Yoda doin' flips n' shit in Act II, which is to say "not at all". Also Luke somehow still had Yoda's lightsaber that was lost on the whatever planet and the zappy droid thing from the first movie? WHY THE FUCK WAS THAT BLUE GUY DRESSED LIKE A COWBOY THERE ARE NO COWBOYS ON TATTOOINE. It didn't look cool, it looked anachronistic and tryhard. I'm not sure that was even a good episode of The Baby Yoda Show Also Starring A Mandalorian. Did Bob have more than one line, standing around looking terrible with his big ol' head sticking out of his armor? Cad Bane is from Clone Wars, TWBE freaked out when he came on screen.
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Post by Prole Hole on Feb 3, 2022 7:14:02 GMT -5
Good grief, Timothy Olyphant is a handsome man.
Other than that, though, *shrug* Episode 5 - Domestic Relocation Services. Does your furniture need moving around? Plod about a whole bunch of ancillary plots in the faint hope of getting all the ducks in a row for the series conclusion? Why not try Episode 5, where all your rather unengaging furniture can be moved about the place!
(OK live-action Cad Bane was cool)
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Post by Pedantic Editor Type on Feb 3, 2022 9:10:24 GMT -5
Personally, I thought it was a good episode, it just was once again not really about Boba Fett. This whole show could have been distilled down and folded into The Mandalorian and made much more sense. It did not need to be its own show.
I did think the Luke de-aging worked better this time but it's still kinda weird and faintly creepy. And I find Ahsoka's "head tails" a little distracting - because their coloring is so different they stand out more obviously to me as a prosthetic than with the Twileks.
Dear god, how did I become a person with opinions on Star Wars character design... let's blame my husband.
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Post by nowimnothing on Feb 5, 2022 13:40:01 GMT -5
Just read something about how they not only de-aged Hamill but that they took recordings of his voice when he was younger and then ran those through a program to get the dialog rather than rely on a trained voice actor to just sound like his younger self.
I am not even sure why they are using Hamill at all if they are bound and determined to turn him into a janky video game avatar. Probably should have just gone with Sebastian Stan and saved some VFX money for other things.
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Post by Prole Hole on Feb 5, 2022 14:42:25 GMT -5
Just read something about how they not only de-aged Hamill but that they took recordings of his voice when he was younger and then ran those through a program to get the dialog rather than rely on a trained voice actor to just sound like his younger self. I am not even sure why they are using Hamill at all if they are bound and determined to turn him into a janky video game avatar. Probably should have just gone with Sebastian Stan and saved some VFX money for other things. Cumming Going with Sebastian Stan is never the wrong call.
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Post by Murray the Demonic Skull on Feb 9, 2022 15:29:01 GMT -5
I’ll elaborate later but I actively disliked most of that finale. The acting and direction was goofy as hell, the pace was bad, the humour didn’t land for me and the action scene bored me. Even baby yoda nestling to King Kong irked me. Maybe I’m in a bad mood but uuuuugh.
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Post by ABz B👹anaz on Feb 9, 2022 21:19:45 GMT -5
This was not my favorite show, but it was okay.
I'm even more pissed at Luke now though. "Fine, you won't let me train you? I'll throw you in an empty ship and send you home with R2 then, BYE!"
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Post by Nudeviking on Feb 9, 2022 23:09:03 GMT -5
I'm finally all caught up with these live action Disney shows and boy howdy did Bob A. Fett's Burn Book just make me bummed out that we don't live in the universe where Bossk is the bounty hunter from Empire that everyone lost their shit over. Like I kind of dug Bob when he was the driver for Mando and Ming-na Wen and that problematic MMA lady and wrestling's Sasha Banks doing heist shit but when left to his own devices? Dude is boring as fuck.
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Post by Crash Test Dumbass on Feb 10, 2022 18:12:07 GMT -5
I think the best thing that can be said about the finale of The Baby Yoda Show Also Featuring A Mandalorian but we're going to pretend this time it's about Bob, A Fett is that the Joepescian mechanic said what we're all thinking: Grogu is a really stupid name for Baby Yoda.
It felt kind of numb and low-stakes, even when Bob and Mando were being shot by a whole bunch of lasers.
Things they are leaning waaaay too hard into:
There's probably a second season, for some reason. Also the post-credits scene didn't make sense to someone who is me and has never seen anything besides the nine films and Rouge On. I think that was the sheriff dude in the bacta tank, but who was the flamethrower guy? Was he in something else? Was he trying to break into the tank instead of hitting the 'open' button? Was he preparing a delicious crème brûlée for sheriff dude when he gets out?
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Post by ABz B👹anaz on Feb 10, 2022 18:21:08 GMT -5
I think the best thing that can be said about the finale of The Baby Yoda Show Also Featuring A Mandalorian but we're going to pretend this time it's about Bob, A Fett is that the Joepescian mechanic said what we're all thinking: Grogu is a really stupid name for Baby Yoda.
It felt kind of numb and low-stakes, even when Bob and Mando were being shot by a whole bunch of lasers.
Things they are leaning waaaay too hard into:
There's probably a second season, for some reason. Also the post-credits scene didn't make sense to someone who is me and has never seen anything besides the nine films and Rouge On. I think that was the sheriff dude in the bacta tank, but who was the flamethrower guy? Was he in something else? Was he trying to break into the tank instead of hitting the 'open' button? Was he preparing a delicious crème brûlée for sheriff dude when he gets out?
The end-credit guy was just the guy who operated on Fennic Shand and gave her ROBOINTESTINES earlier in the show. So presumably Modesto Hometown Hero Timothy Olyphant now has cyborg parts too for some reason. The "Luke is a dick" is the only part of this show I actively HATED. The rest was okay-to-good, and as someone who did watch all of the Clone Wars / Rebels / The Bad Batch, I liked the final confrontation between Boba and Cad Bane. But I also assume he's NOT really dead, as they made sure to zoom in on his chest panel light flashing red and beeping or whatever.
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Post by Murray the Demonic Skull on Feb 11, 2022 2:42:42 GMT -5
My best guess is we're getting either a show or part of a show where robot Raylan Givens is going to fight Cad Bane and although I love westerns I really can't bring myself to care. Maybe I watched too much wars in the stars.
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Post by Prole Hole on Feb 11, 2022 12:29:14 GMT -5
I can't be bothered to copy/paste and reformat everything - letting the side down, I know - but my extended thoughts and write-up on Bob, A Fett are here. TL;DR 5/10
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Post by patbat on Feb 11, 2022 13:30:28 GMT -5
They need to stop Robert Rodriguez from making any more Star Wars. He is bad at it.
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Post by Superb Owl 🦉 on Feb 11, 2022 17:50:28 GMT -5
That was a very good two-parter episode of The Mandalorian!
*whisper, whisper...7-episode stand-alone series...whisper*
That was a very good two-parter episode of The Mandalorian!
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Post by sarapen on Feb 11, 2022 19:21:05 GMT -5
The most annoying thing was seeing the illustrations in the closing credits because they made the episode seem more exciting than it was.
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Post by Nudeviking on Feb 13, 2022 20:23:47 GMT -5
I started watching that Clone Wars cartoon show for children because it's the only Star Wars content I've never seen in full (outside of Bad Batch which apparently spins off of this deal). I've seen like 6 or 7 episodes now and I am never not feeling like I am missing out on some crucial piece of information or that I'm watching shit out of order because those little World War II style news reel recaps are constantly referencing things that I have zero recollection of. Like there was an episode where the Galactic Republic blew up some weapon of mass destruction and then in the next episode the narrator dude is bellowing about how the Republic has suffered a series of terrible defeats during the little recap deal.
I've not gotten into it as quickly as I did Rebels when I watched that but since that was written by the same dude I'm assuming the quality of this will pick up in subsequent episodes.
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Post by Ben Grimm on Feb 13, 2022 21:01:52 GMT -5
I started watching that Clone Wars cartoon show for children because it's the only Star Wars content I've never seen in full (outside of Bad Batch which apparently spins off of this deal). I've seen like 6 or 7 episodes now and I am never not feeling like I am missing out on some crucial piece of information or that I'm watching shit out of order because those little World War II style news reel recaps are constantly referencing things that I have zero recollection of. Like there was an episode where the Galactic Republic blew up some weapon of mass destruction and then in the next episode the narrator dude is bellowing about how the Republic has suffered a series of terrible defeats during the little recap deal. I've not gotten into it as quickly as I did Rebels when I watched that but since that was written by the same dude I'm assuming the quality of this will pick up in subsequent episodes. Clone Wars picks up, but takes a little while to. By the end it's excellent. But it takes a little while to get there, and the first season is by far the weakest.
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Post by Nudeviking on Feb 14, 2022 0:10:29 GMT -5
I started watching that Clone Wars cartoon show for children because it's the only Star Wars content I've never seen in full (outside of Bad Batch which apparently spins off of this deal). I've seen like 6 or 7 episodes now and I am never not feeling like I am missing out on some crucial piece of information or that I'm watching shit out of order because those little World War II style news reel recaps are constantly referencing things that I have zero recollection of. Like there was an episode where the Galactic Republic blew up some weapon of mass destruction and then in the next episode the narrator dude is bellowing about how the Republic has suffered a series of terrible defeats during the little recap deal. I've not gotten into it as quickly as I did Rebels when I watched that but since that was written by the same dude I'm assuming the quality of this will pick up in subsequent episodes. Clone Wars picks up, but takes a little while to. By the end it's excellent. But it takes a little while to get there, and the first season is by far the weakest. I figured it would improve (on account of how great Rebels is) and it's not like the episodes I've seen are bad or anything they just seem really scattershot. Like I get that it's a show for kids so there's going to be random Adventure of the Week episodes but there's not really even a consistent focal point from episode to episode. Like there was one where Yoda was the maid dude. A couple with Anakin. Some with some random Clone Troopers. One with Plo Kloon as the main dude. It's just kind of all over the place so I've got nothing to hang my hat on. I don't hate that they've got a massive cast of characters it's just going to take a lot longer for me to connect with them because of it.
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Post by Ben Grimm on Feb 14, 2022 8:38:10 GMT -5
Clone Wars picks up, but takes a little while to. By the end it's excellent. But it takes a little while to get there, and the first season is by far the weakest. I figured it would improve (on account of how great Rebels is) and it's not like the episodes I've seen are bad or anything they just seem really scattershot. Like I get that it's a show for kids so there's going to be random Adventure of the Week episodes but there's not really even a consistent focal point from episode to episode. Like there was one where Yoda was the maid dude. A couple with Anakin. Some with some random Clone Troopers. One with Plo Kloon as the main dude. It's just kind of all over the place so I've got nothing to hang my hat on. I don't hate that they've got a massive cast of characters it's just going to take a lot longer for me to connect with them because of it. I think it took them a little while to get the show to where it needed to be for that focus. The episodes weren't even in strict chronological order. Eventually it started to tell a coherent story (primarily about Rex and Ahsoka) and significantly picked up once it did. On the whole, I did like Rebels more - in part because at least it seemed to be telling a coherent story from the start - but Clone Wars might have hit higher highs once it figured itself out.
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Post by Celebith on Feb 15, 2022 16:28:14 GMT -5
I’ll elaborate later but I actively disliked most of that finale. The acting and direction was goofy as hell, the pace was bad, the humour didn’t land for me and the action scene bored me. Even baby yoda nestling to King Kong irked me. Maybe I’m in a bad mood but uuuuugh. Maybe I just an old grump, but I hate baby Yoda. There's no way something 50 years old should be that stupid, or immature. Even with massive PTSD, it should be more functional. Also, I kinda liked that Boba was basically always in over his head. From day one, I'm not sure he had any idea of what he was doing, or what needed to be done. It's not as well executed, but if you want to see a 'Big Trouble in Little China' sort of thing, where the POV character is barely the sidekick, this is your chance!
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Post by Celebith on Feb 15, 2022 16:30:02 GMT -5
I started watching that Clone Wars cartoon show for children because it's the only Star Wars content I've never seen in full (outside of Bad Batch which apparently spins off of this deal). I've seen like 6 or 7 episodes now and I am never not feeling like I am missing out on some crucial piece of information or that I'm watching shit out of order because those little World War II style news reel recaps are constantly referencing things that I have zero recollection of. Like there was an episode where the Galactic Republic blew up some weapon of mass destruction and then in the next episode the narrator dude is bellowing about how the Republic has suffered a series of terrible defeats during the little recap deal. I've not gotten into it as quickly as I did Rebels when I watched that but since that was written by the same dude I'm assuming the quality of this will pick up in subsequent episodes. the art style and overall look or that show turns me off. I feel like I'm watching charms blowpops given sentience.
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Post by nowimnothing on Feb 15, 2022 16:55:52 GMT -5
Maybe I just an old grump, but I hate baby Yoda. There's no way something 50 years old should be that stupid, or immature. Even with massive PTSD, it should be more functional. He is certainly a less is more character. He walks about as well as my Star Wars figurines would when I would play with them as a kid. His jumping and leaping is somewhat better than Yoda in AOTC but still awful. I really could have done without him and Luke. I would say keep Mando and Ashoka, but there was no real reason for him to go visit at all. How long has it been? A few months? There was nothing to say he was in danger or anything, Mando just had to go see him RIGHT NOW for reasons.
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Post by Pedantic Editor Type on Feb 15, 2022 17:48:08 GMT -5
I’ll elaborate later but I actively disliked most of that finale. The acting and direction was goofy as hell, the pace was bad, the humour didn’t land for me and the action scene bored me. Even baby yoda nestling to King Kong irked me. Maybe I’m in a bad mood but uuuuugh. Maybe I just an old grump, but I hate baby Yoda. There's no way something 50 years old should be that stupid, or immature. Even with massive PTSD, it should be more functional. Also, I kinda liked that Boba was basically always in over his head. From day one, I'm not sure he had any idea of what he was doing, or what needed to be done. It's not as well executed, but if you want to see a 'Big Trouble in Little China' sort of thing, where the POV character is barely the sidekick, this is your chance! Yoda’s species ages slowly! He’s roughly 5 in human years!
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Post by Celebith on Feb 16, 2022 11:22:11 GMT -5
Yeah I’d sorta like to know if there is a name for that when the outsider isn’t white, because it is a little reductive no matter who does it. I mean you can frame it as “outsiders with no generational history/prejudices of the warring factions are more easily able to see the common ground“, and I’ll grudgingly agree, but it’s been overused as a trope. But in this case I am gonna kinda side with the fanboys: it’s fuckin Boba Fett, man. If he can’t learn to fight well with a gafi stick in a relatively short period of time, then he is not the dude I thought he was In a less fanboy way, I’d be surprised if Mandalorians in general aren’t trained in that kind of thing as children, whether they stick with it or not*. Fett specifically has a pretty brawly past, so who’s to say that’s the first time he’s done that sort of fighting. idk do clones have a higher learning stat or something? *HA HA STICK WITH IT. Fair, but also: it's fuckin' Boba Fett. If he wouldn't have gladly shot up a bunch of natives two weeks ago for the right price, then he is not the dude I thought he was. So we are still trafficking in some "saved and changed by learning the wise and noble ways of the savages" tropes here even if, yea, if the action and fighting stuff is plausible given his history. Not that there isn't some 'noble savage / salvage' element to the Tuskens and Jawas, but between the flashbacks to his friendless childhood, and dad dying so early, it seemed more that this was the first time he felt like he had a family, and then felt guilty for basically getting them all murdered. He just as easily could have gotten taken in by the swoop bike gang, if they wanted to go that way with it. Between is arc and ugh, amy sedaris' character dating a jawa, and speaking their language, it seemed like one goal of the series was to recontextualize both groups, with less 'savagery' involved. Aside from Baby Yoda, I also kinda hate Sedaris' character. It seems like she escaped from the Holiday Special. She's not as bad as BY, but I'm never excited to see her, which is sad because I usually like her in other projects.
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Post by Celebith on Feb 16, 2022 11:27:21 GMT -5
Maybe I just an old grump, but I hate baby Yoda. There's no way something 50 years old should be that stupid, or immature. Even with massive PTSD, it should be more functional. Also, I kinda liked that Boba was basically always in over his head. From day one, I'm not sure he had any idea of what he was doing, or what needed to be done. It's not as well executed, but if you want to see a 'Big Trouble in Little China' sort of thing, where the POV character is barely the sidekick, this is your chance! Yoda’s species ages slowly! He’s roughly 5 in human years! That's still nonsense. Elves live forever, but half a century in, they're able to talk and function like immature adults. They wanted to go with a 'Surprise! - 50 year old baby!' thing that doesn't work long term. Even at five years old, he should be doing more than floating around in a stroller and not learning to stop sticking everything in his mouth. He's like that stupid ' Gotta Love Me - I'm the Baby' dinosaur, except he doesn't talk.
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