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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2014 10:39:32 GMT -5
Yeesh - comment count for the rape article over yonder is almost 3000. I can't even.
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Post by heroboy on Apr 22, 2014 11:37:54 GMT -5
In addition some of the made for TV stuff in it felt really off-model this week too...the orcs Thenn's raid on that random village, kind of bugged me for some reason. I don't remember them being all that important in the books at all. They were kind of just mentioned in passing ("Mance even has hornfeet and Thenns too!"), but now they're supposed to be the big bad of season four or something. I don't really want to chime in on the rapey bits, but having the Thenns as the big bad this season does make sense, since they are the group that climbed over the wall, and are now advancing on the undefended side of Castle Black (and are presumably razing every village they come across so that their presence is not reported to the Wall).
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Post by Douay-Rheims-Challoner on Apr 28, 2014 18:51:19 GMT -5
...did we just get more exposition on the Others than the books have ever provided?
And is that going to line up with what Martin writes about them?
Also
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Post by nowimnothing on Apr 28, 2014 19:53:23 GMT -5
...did we just get more exposition on the Others than the books have ever provided? And is that going to line up with what Martin writes about them? Also WHAT White Walkers have to reproduce somehow, what was that quote from Robert Jordan about how Trollocs reproduce? "You don't really want to know."
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Post by nowimnothing on Apr 28, 2014 19:58:22 GMT -5
Also fuck yeah for giant direwolves! The red eyes were a little wonky on my screen but damn if Ghost was not scary as fuck. Much improvement over Grey Wind last season (which was not bad)
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Post by Douay-Rheims-Challoner on Apr 28, 2014 20:01:10 GMT -5
White Walkers have to reproduce somehow, what was that quote from Robert Jordan about how Trollocs reproduce? "You don't really want to know." Hey it could have been sex! Is Othering Babies their equivalent of sexposition? Also wait I've just been told that the other White Walker is apparently THE NIGHT'S KING! Source.
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Post by Desert Dweller on Apr 29, 2014 20:56:34 GMT -5
So, we're actually using spoilers to talk about the things from the show to book readers now? This is kind of crazy.
So, can we really believe that's who that White Walker is? HBO did remove that identifier soon after it was posted. Now their synopsis just calls him a generic White Walker. Granted, the show seemingly portrayed him having some sort of power. Or a hierarchy of sorts? That scene was pretty cool to see.
The entire ending section of this episode was crazy and weird. What's the point of sending Jon off to rescue Bran? Why would they have one of Roose's men get within sniffing distance of Bran? I'd have to assume that Locke would end up dead in that scenario, no? And I'd really rather these particular mutineers be killed by the White Walkers. Them being killed by Jon and the Night's Watch doesn't seem satisfying enough.
And also, did Jon not care or even notice that Ghost was missing?
Really hoping the show progresses the Dany story now. I am really tired of watching her stand before throngs of adoring freed slaves. I did like Grey Worm in this episode.
The King's Landing stuff... basically we all just have to pretend the rape scene last week didn't happen. Then this was all really good. I really liked Jaime sending Pod off with Brienne. And I still love how they made Bronn Jaime's sword trainer. I hope they keep Bronn with Jaime as the story progresses.
And Ser Pounce! Awwww! Alas, it looks like that might be our only sighting of him.
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Post by nowimnothing on Apr 30, 2014 4:25:17 GMT -5
And also, did Jon not care or even notice that Ghost was missing? And how the hell did they capture him? I have to assume with a trap like with what caught Summer. But if he was injured wouldn't Jon feel something? Even when he was not warging in the books he had a connection.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2014 12:22:14 GMT -5
I'm genuinely irritated that there isn't enough Dolorous Ed in the show. All of his perfect asides are RIGHT THERE in the books, the writers don't even have to change them up. Pfft. And while we're at it, I'm still mad about Mormont's crow.
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Post by Desert Dweller on May 6, 2014 0:00:12 GMT -5
I'm genuinely irritated that there isn't enough Dolorous Ed in the show. All of his perfect asides are RIGHT THERE in the books, the writers don't even have to change them up. Pfft. And while we're at it, I'm still mad about Mormont's crow. It's kind of awful how they have removed most of the funny characters from both Jon's and Dany's stories. Especially since Clarke and Harrington are two of the weaker actors. This makes both storylines feel a lot more dour and dull than they should. My God, the last couple of Stannis/Davos/Melisandre scenes have had more humor than the Dany or Night's Watch scenes. I really liked the visual look of Jojen's vision in this episode. What a great concept! Can anyone make heads or tails of what the show is doing with Theon/Ramsay/Moat Cailin and what looks to be Asha in the promos saying she is off to rescue Theon? Are they going to get Asha captured by Ramsay? And then just hang around until next season when Stannis marches into the North? Are they finally going to kill Balon in this episode? Who's excited to see the Iron Bank next week?!
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Post by nowimnothing on May 6, 2014 7:45:39 GMT -5
I'm genuinely irritated that there isn't enough Dolorous Ed in the show. All of his perfect asides are RIGHT THERE in the books, the writers don't even have to change them up. Pfft. And while we're at it, I'm still mad about Mormont's crow. It's kind of awful how they have removed most of the funny characters from both Jon's and Dany's stories. Especially since Clarke and Harrington are two of the weaker actors. This makes both storylines feel a lot more dour and dull than they should. My God, the last couple of Stannis/Davos/Melisandre scenes have had more humor than the Dany or Night's Watch scenes. I really liked the visual look of Jojen's vision in this episode. What a great concept! Can anyone make heads or tails of what the show is doing with Theon/Ramsay/Moat Cailin and what looks to be Asha in the promos saying she is off to rescue Theon? Are they going to get Asha captured by Ramsay? And then just hang around until next season when Stannis marches into the North? Are they finally going to kill Balon in this episode? Who's excited to see the Iron Bank next week?! I am a bit worried they will cut it down a lot, but it does still fit. Asha did search for Theon after the sack of Winterfell. That was when Balon has his ill-fated trip across the bridge and she has to return for the kingsmoot. I think we will get Balon's death this season since it is one of Stannis's blood leech wishes. The kingsmoot may be next season since they still have to introduce the uncles.
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Post by Douay-Rheims-Challoner on May 6, 2014 8:53:51 GMT -5
I think the changes to Asha's plot are a lot like the changes to Bran's plot: They're giving her - and Theon - something to do this season. The show has always been more freer and screw-about-a-bit with the storylines where less stuff happens (Dany's book two arc is slight and holding-the-course stuff, so they were more liberal with it than her book three arc last year, which had some key payoffs.) We haven't seen Balon Greyjoy since season two. I'd almost think he was going to die off-screen at this point, which is a shame as the Balon stuff on the series was really good (I'd take it as a given that Kingsmoot won't happen this year because we've heard of nobody being cast as Euron or Victarion - if the series retains Kingsmoot it will at least retain one of those two. So, can we really believe that's who that White Walker is? HBO did remove that identifier soon after it was posted. Probably because a confirmation that big wasn't supposed to be thrown up on a HBO website. It could be that it happened because behind the scenes they already know this guy is the Night's King, though. It's a pretty suspicious accident at the very least.
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Post by Arthur Dent on May 6, 2014 16:25:24 GMT -5
I think the changes to Asha's plot are a lot like the changes to Bran's plot: They're giving her - and Theon - something to do this season. The show has always been more freer and screw-about-a-bit with the storylines where less stuff happens (Dany's book two arc is slight and holding-the-course stuff, so they were more liberal with it than her book three arc last year, which had some key payoffs.) We haven't seen Balon Greyjoy since season two. I'd almost think he was going to die off-screen at this point, which is a shame as the Balon stuff on the series was really good (I'd take it as a given that Kingsmoot won't happen this year because we've heard of nobody being cast as Euron or Victarion - if the series retains Kingsmoot it will at least retain one of those two. So, can we really believe that's who that White Walker is? HBO did remove that identifier soon after it was posted. Probably because a confirmation that big wasn't supposed to be thrown up on a HBO website. It could be that it happened because behind the scenes they already know this guy is the Night's King, though. It's a pretty suspicious accident at the very least. Balon showed up in the season three finale to remind the audience that he exists, receive Theon's dick and start the plot of Yara going to save Theon (which I'd expected to have been updated much earlier in the season, but oh well). I think they're probably going to have him be killed on-screen.
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Post by Nudeviking on May 7, 2014 2:14:01 GMT -5
I'm genuinely irritated that there isn't enough Dolorous Ed in the show. All of his perfect asides are RIGHT THERE in the books, the writers don't even have to change them up. Pfft. And while we're at it, I'm still mad about Mormont's crow. I think Mormont's talking crow is hanging out somewhere with the zorses and Strong Belwas, and Dario With Purple Beard and Gold Tooth Fatigues and all the other stuff that is deemed too goofy and not titty-violence-grimdark-medieval times-political fantasy by the powers that be. In all seriousness though, I wonder what they're going to do with Young Griff when his time finally comes, because goofy hair dye kind of becomes important to the plot.
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Post by Douay-Rheims-Challoner on May 7, 2014 4:55:08 GMT -5
Nudeviking I suspect Young Griff will have his hair dyed brown or something.
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Post by Post-Lupin on May 12, 2014 8:17:18 GMT -5
I'm sorry, Tyrion... I couldn't quite hear you. Did you say
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Post by nowimnothing on May 12, 2014 13:14:30 GMT -5
That acting from Dinklage was superb. I can almost see the changes he needs to make before his visit to his father's chambers. One more visit from Jamie and one last betrayal and I can see him losing it on Shae. His father is easy after that.
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Post by ComradeQuestions on May 12, 2014 13:40:25 GMT -5
I have to admit I was kinda bored by the first half of this episode. The Asha*/Reek bit kinda felt like the writers starting to go in a non-book direction, then immediately backtracking and overall just killing time. Though her rejection of him here should pay off well in a season or two when the newly re-Theonned Theon emerges from the blizzard with, well, whoever replaces Jeyne in tow.
The trial was pretty fantastic though. The glare between Tywin and Tyrion which ended the episode was fantastic. If this is the angry, bitter Tyrion we get to see in Essos, I'll be pretty happy.
*god dammit I'm not calling her by her stupid show name
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Post by nowimnothing on May 12, 2014 15:18:00 GMT -5
I have to admit I was kinda bored by the first half of this episode. The Asha*/Reek bit kinda felt like the writers starting to go in a non-book direction, then immediately backtracking and overall just killing time. Though her rejection of him here should pay off well in a season or two when the newly re-Theonned Theon emerges from the blizzard with, well, whoever replaces Jeyne in tow. The trial was pretty fantastic though. The glare between Tywin and Tyrion which ended the episode was fantastic. If this is the angry, bitter Tyrion we get to see in Essos, I'll be pretty happy. *god dammit I'm not calling her by her stupid show name The Stannis and Asha bits were slow, but we kind of knew they had to do something with those two plots to get them into somewhat the right time frame to fit the other story lines. The Jeyne stuff is where I really start to worry about that butterfly effect Martin talked about. It seems either you adapt a story in mostly your own way like they did for The Walking Dead so it does not matter if you diverge or you stick as close as possible, which is what it seemed like they were doing the first couple of seasons.
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Post by Nudeviking on May 12, 2014 18:47:20 GMT -5
I have to admit I was kinda bored by the first half of this episode. The Asha*/Reek bit kinda felt like the writers starting to go in a non-book direction, then immediately backtracking and overall just killing time. Though her rejection of him here should pay off well in a season or two when the newly re-Theonned Theon emerges from the blizzard with, well, whoever replaces Jeyne in tow. The trial was pretty fantastic though. The glare between Tywin and Tyrion which ended the episode was fantastic. If this is the angry, bitter Tyrion we get to see in Essos, I'll be pretty happy. *god dammit I'm not calling her by her stupid show name The Asha vs. Ramsay Snow reminded me of every "Kill That Camp of Bandits" dungeon in Skyrim.
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Post by nowimnothing on May 16, 2014 19:50:45 GMT -5
That was fast, looks like Lysa may be trying to fly this episode.
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Post by ComradeQuestions on May 19, 2014 7:04:35 GMT -5
Two things I really liked in this episode: one was Dany, who comes off a lot stronger than in the books, so it feels less like she's sitting around, helplessly reacting to things falling apart around her. The other was the Littlefinger/Sansa scene. I'm impressed that they went for the full-on creep factor of the kiss, but I especially liked the part where he explained why he killed Joffrey, and she smiled in agreement.
So yeah, is there any doubt that they'll be done with books 4 and 5 in season 5? I can't imagine they'll stretch what little remains of several plotlines over two seasons, barring one interesting idea: they pull a Martin, and leave all the series regulars out of next season. So we'll get plotlines of Asha on the Iron Islands, Dorne (my vote would be to replace Arianne with a vengeful Ellaria), maybe Quentyn, maybe a completely invented plotline of Daario's adventures in Yunkai.
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Post by The Larch on May 19, 2014 7:15:05 GMT -5
I'm thinking a lot of Tyrion's journey will be excised. Daenerys only has a small amount of material left until the gladiator pits, but at the same time Tyrion still has to lose his trial, get broken out, travel to Pentos, travel all the way down the Rhoyne, meet Jorah, get captured, meet Penny, end up as slaves then finally nearly get killed in the gladiator pits. But it's a long way to travel any way you look at it, I have no idea how they're going to converge. I'd prefer it if they fleshed out the Meereen politics (but that's probably an unpopular opinion) but I doubt they will.
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Post by ComradeQuestions on May 19, 2014 8:04:43 GMT -5
Yeah Tyrion's is interesting, because that's really the only one that could reasonably be stretched over two seasons. Maybe he'll simply never join up with Aegon and company, and go directly to Jorah/slavery. And/or Aegon and company can be its own standalone plotline in my main-character-eschewing season 5.
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Post by nowimnothing on May 19, 2014 8:32:35 GMT -5
Two things I really liked in this episode: one was Dany, who comes off a lot stronger than in the books, so it feels less like she's sitting around, helplessly reacting to things falling apart around her. The other was the Littlefinger/Sansa scene. I'm impressed that they went for the full-on creep factor of the kiss, but I especially liked the part where he explained why he killed Joffrey, and she smiled in agreement. So yeah, is there any doubt that they'll be done with books 4 and 5 in season 5? I can't imagine they'll stretch what little remains of several plotlines over two seasons, barring one interesting idea: they pull a Martin, and leave all the series regulars out of next season. So we'll get plotlines of Asha on the Iron Islands, Dorne (my vote would be to replace Arianne with a vengeful Ellaria), maybe Quentyn, maybe a completely invented plotline of Daario's adventures in Yunkai. Wouldn't that piss off everyone if we spent the first few episodes on Season 5 in Dorne? That would be great if only to fuck with the non-book readers. They certainly have the money now to invest in some new sets. There is still enough material for at least 1.5 seasons, so I would not be surprised if a few of the big climaxes from ADWD are pushed to season 6. I am thinking about Jon in particular. Though that would be a good way to end a season and really piss people off.
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Post by Post-Lupin on May 19, 2014 9:35:57 GMT -5
HOT PIE!!!
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Post by Douay-Rheims-Challoner on May 19, 2014 16:08:33 GMT -5
Considering they already are on book four and book five plots forms number of characters I'd expect at the least some of them - like Dany - must outpace the books next season.
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Post by nowimnothing on May 19, 2014 17:53:36 GMT -5
Considering they already are on book four and book five plots forms number of characters I'd expect at the least some of them - like Dany - must outpace the books next season. I think they are ok with Dany, they can still do the plague and save the Drogon ride until the end of the season.
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Post by Nudeviking on May 19, 2014 19:12:25 GMT -5
Considering they already are on book four and book five plots forms number of characters I'd expect at the least some of them - like Dany - must outpace the books next season. Theon's probably in way worse shape, since he's like halfway done with his book five plot already, but that being said, as others have mentioned, there are a lot of new characters that pop up in books 4 and 5, so even if they slow down the plots with the established characters I think it will be alright. The thing that's making me nervous is people are talking like Brianne will encounter Zombie Mom Stark in this season, which would mean her entire Book 4/5 arch is over during a book 3 season. The Brianne/Pod buddy cop road trip was one of the best thing about A Feast and I will be sad if it gets reduced down to "Pod can't cook a rabbit, Brianne tells Pod he can't have silk panties because they are road warriors (Hawk and Animal), the road warriors meet Hot Pie, Brianne and Pod meet Zombie Mom Stark and get hanged..."
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Post by Douay-Rheims-Challoner on May 19, 2014 19:18:20 GMT -5
Nudeviking There is one thing I really want out of the Brienne and Pdorick road trip and it is that Septon they meet.
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