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Post by pairesta on Jun 30, 2014 8:20:17 GMT -5
Lookit that smoke ring! Where'd you get the ribs?
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Post by LazBro on Jun 30, 2014 8:27:09 GMT -5
Lookit that smoke ring! Where'd you get the ribs? ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... Wal-Mart. They weren't the first place I tried, but every other grocery store failed me, and I knew Wal-Mart would have them. They only ever carry beef back ribs. I've never actually seen those crazy big front ribs like you get at Smoke, etc., in the wild. Where can you buy those things? A butcher shop, I guess?
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Post by pairesta on Jun 30, 2014 8:28:29 GMT -5
Local Yocal has them in the freezer case.
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Post by LazBro on Jun 30, 2014 8:37:16 GMT -5
It was a BBQ heavy weekend, actually. Saturday night I went to a buddy's new house expecting burgers, etc., and was pleased to find him pulling what would become a Top 5 pulled pork experience off his smoker. Perfectly juicy and tender, luxuriously rich bark. It elicited a lot of "wows."
Better yet, I have a ziploc full of the stuff back at my house. Where shall I go? Bahn Mi? Stacked on corn cakes? Asian BBQ sandwich? Fried rice?
I might have enough for two.
(I ultimately liked my ribs a little more, but that just speaks to my preference for the beef critter.)
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Post by NewHereAgainoZach on Jul 5, 2014 1:48:24 GMT -5
Lookit that smoke ring! Where'd you get the ribs? ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... Wal-Mart. They weren't the first place I tried, but every other grocery store failed me, and I knew Wal-Mart would have them. They only ever carry beef back ribs. I've never actually seen those crazy big front ribs like you get at Smoke, etc., in the wild. Where can you buy those things? A butcher shop, I guess? Whole Foods, maybe? I saw bison back ribs at my local.
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Post by LazBro on Jul 7, 2014 9:58:09 GMT -5
Putting together a "hey, come check out my new house" barbeque for the end of the month to invite the family/office to. I have a coworker who absolutely crushes it with his annual crawfish boil, so I've got a lot to live up to.
A whole brisket will be the star, but since that finishes itself in the oven, I'll have the smoker free to do some sausages, probably some chicken. Still trying to figure out some sides. Maybe some grilled corn. Baked beans.
And of course, plenty of my beer. I'm still sitting on about 20 liters of my homebrew. Should be enough to get things started.
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Post by pairesta on Jul 7, 2014 10:34:27 GMT -5
Unless our house is still on the market this weekend I will be trying to make brisket for real this Saturday. I'm feverishly researching as much as I can and it's just getting more confusing since no one can agree on any point.
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Post by LazBro on Jul 7, 2014 10:50:02 GMT -5
Best of luck. As I said further up thread, I really do think brisket is easier than its reputation. Not that it will help your pre-existing confusion, but my method is:
- No trimming whatsoever* - 24-hour rub of kosher salt and black pepper. Lots of both. - Smoke at 200-225 over good Hickory or Pecan smoke, fat cap up. Minimum six hours on a good smoke.** - Once she's a black beauty, tent tightly in a double layer of heavy duty foil and either return to the smoker or move to a low oven, still 225 or so. I'm a big believer in the "Texas Crutch"*** - Go until your total cook time is about 9-10 hours or you temp around 195. - Slice against the grain and thick enough that the slices hold together. Save the leaner pieces for the weight-conscious pussies.
* I actually do trim a brisket when smoking on an egg, but not for the reason you think. The large egg, big as it is, cannot handle the length of most whole briskets, so I cut off part of the flat and use it later. Just enough off to fit the meat on the grill.
** I do not use a water pan when smoking. I'm not against it, I just never have. I'm sure it's great.
*** You'll want to then fit that into a large roasting tray, if possible. Something to catch the eventual drippings when you breach the foil, because there's going to be a lot, and you're going to want them. I think I've read that you can then take the beast, uncovered, and finish it in a high oven to kind of reset any bark they may be lost from humindity, but honestly my brisket has never wanted for more bark.
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Post by pairesta on Jul 9, 2014 10:16:01 GMT -5
One advantage of moving to Houston is that we're now within convenient day trips to Central Texas barbecue hotspots. Case in point: yesterday I took my dad out to Giddings to pick up their new car (he's a retiree, whaddayagonnado). And oh, hey, City Meat Market is right there in the downtown square. This place has been open since 1901 and just oozes character. You walk in by the butcher counter (largely empty; they make their nut on barbecue, mostly) and then go to the back of the store to the pit room. You walk in and get hit with a blast of heat, order various meats that they cut for you, carry it to the table on butcher paper that's transparent by the time you get there, and then dig in. They've made concessions to modern tastes and offer sauce and sides now.
The ribs were extraordinary. Meaty, powerfully seasoned and smoked, and at just the right temp. The sausage is that dry, crumbly Central Texas kind that takes some getting used to. It had more fat though, and so it was juicier, but it was somewhat underseasoned.
But then the brisket. To my horror, when I ordered brisket, the counter guy turned around, stabbed his fork into a bucket of liquid, and fished out a hunk of brisket to cut from. Apparently they get tossed in a bucket off the heat. This of course dilutes the smoke, washes off the rub and any bark accumulated. And the meat was more or less shoe leather. I have no idea what the advantage to doing it that way is, unless it's just a bizarre little tradition there. But on the upside, I can't possibly do brisket that bad, so that gave me an ever so slight boost in confidence.
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Post by LazBro on Jul 9, 2014 10:19:29 GMT -5
I am appalled that they treat their brisket that way. In Texas, there should be a law.
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Post by NewHereAgainoZach on Jul 9, 2014 10:22:02 GMT -5
Damn, Pareista; that went from triumph to tragedy rather quickly...
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Post by pairesta on Jul 9, 2014 10:27:58 GMT -5
Well, it enters into the whole "tradition" argument though. I'd imagine that's the way it's always done there. Show them a perfectly black brisket right off the smoker, oozing fat through its spicy black pepper crust, and they'd recoil. It was just locals and us, and I'd imagine the locals want it that way.
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Post by LazBro on Jul 9, 2014 10:31:51 GMT -5
Slavery was also a tradition around those parts for a few years.
#OhIWentThere
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Post by pairesta on Jul 9, 2014 10:33:50 GMT -5
>Flees thread<
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Post by NewHereAgainoZach on Jul 9, 2014 13:40:34 GMT -5
Time to carpetbag the fuck out of that town.
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Post by pairesta on Jul 10, 2014 9:09:05 GMT -5
Oddly enough, here's an archived review by Daniel Vaughan, Texas Monthly's Barbecue Editor, where he was skeptical of the au jus treatment, but found the brisket to be juicy and flavorful. He either got a fresh cut of brisket by lucky timing or because they knew who he was (they framed and hung this glowing review afterwards). Mine was barely warm and dried out.
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Post by NewHereAgainoZach on Jul 10, 2014 11:08:20 GMT -5
Reading the review, the writer seems a bit conflicted, and had the same critique as you regarding the sausage. If I ever get there, I'm just gonna stick to the ribs.
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Post by NewHereAgainoZach on Jul 13, 2014 13:58:59 GMT -5
So, I'm a bit desperate at this point, so I'm trying something I saw on ATC, and attempting to smoke some brisket in my Weber grill. Wish me luck!
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Post by pairesta on Jul 14, 2014 8:23:52 GMT -5
Yeah, when I was seriously jonesing to try smoking out last spring that's what I did too for some ribs and a shoulder. How are you going to rig it?
If you want additional resources, once again I'll plug Amazing ribs which has an entire article about setting up your gas grill for smoking.
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Post by LazBro on Jul 14, 2014 8:39:24 GMT -5
Yeah, let us know how it goes. And just don't pull up pairesta's website at work, unless you want to have a stern talk with the boss about how your productivity fell through the floor. I'm T-minus 13 days away from a big ass bbq at my house. Probably the biggest single event I've personally catered. Nervous.
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Post by pairesta on Jul 14, 2014 8:44:04 GMT -5
So our house still hasn't sold. Why is this relevant to the barbecue thread? Because until it does I can't try making brisket. "Oh sweetheart I just love this house! The kitchen will be perfect for all our vegan meals!" "Indeed, my love. I'm ready to make an offer, even above asking price. Now let's just step out on the back patio to check out the garden and OH GOD WHAT IS THAT SMOKY FLESHY SMELL" "WHY IS THAT SOOT COVERED MAN SHIRTLESS" "OFFER RESCINDED. My attorney will be in touch!"
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Post by pairesta on Jul 14, 2014 8:45:20 GMT -5
So Snape how are you going to do the cookout? Doing anything ahead?
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Post by LazBro on Jul 14, 2014 9:27:47 GMT -5
So Snape how are you going to do the cookout? Doing anything ahead? The menu is still up in the air, so I can't speak definitely. It's shaping up like this, however: Smoked whole brisket (the star, of course) Smoked sausage Smoked chicken Dill-horseradish potato salad Green beans with almonds and vinaigrette (depending on budget, I'll go haricot verts) Quinoa-chickpea salad (yep, back already) Grilled vegetable salad Homemade bread (3-4 loaves; rye, wheat, a couple white) Homebrewed beer Bottled water As far as logistics, I can definitely blanch the green beans a day ahead, and the quinoa thing can be almost entirely prepared in advance and brought to room temperature (just add dressing before "service"). Really all of the sides can be made ahead with a little last minute tossing, except for the grilled veggies. Bread will be made 1-2 days in advance. The brisket I'll start in the evening/very early morning and do an overnight smoke. Then after I foil my brisket and move it to the oven ("Texas Crutch"), I'll re-up my smoke and do the sausage, since they can hang in a warm oven better than chicken. After the sausage I'll do the chicken, in the last couple hours leading up to meal time. Set up a buffet, scream "come and get it," ring a big triangle (which I totally need to get). And if it goes poorly, it's okay 'cause by lunch/dinner time I'll be at least buzzed. Open Questions/To Be Determined:
1. Do I want to make barbecue sauce(s)? You know how I feel, but I have to keep my guests in mind. At least that I could do in advance. 2. What sausage should I buy? I ain't making it. 3. I just did potato salad a couple weeks ago, do I really want to do that again? 4. I'm thinking instead of whole chickens, or even cut-up whole chickens, I'll buy value packs of chicken thighs or thighs and legs and just serve those. Cheaper, even cook times, and everybody likes them. It sucks that I'll be out of town all this weekend, which would have been prime "get your house in order" time.
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Post by pairesta on Jul 14, 2014 9:39:02 GMT -5
1. You're going to want a sauce unfortunately. And making your own would be a nice touch. They are kinda fun to make. Do this: 1 cup ketchup, 3/4 cup apple cider vinegar, 2 tablespoons Worcestershire sauce (or just fish sauce!), 1-2 tablespoons chile powder, 1/4 cup brown sugar, 1-2 tablespoons onion powder. Simmer together, taste, and adjust for seasoning. (Maybe throw in some sambal for heat). Yes, make it ahead. It will get better as it sits.
2. Check out Hirsch's in Plano, on Parker near Alma. They have tons of different German style sausages.
3. Yeah. You can mix it up and do a different potato salad but it's just one of those expected things at a barbecue. There's this 'cue joint up in Virginia by my wife's parents that roasts the potatoes and then makes a potato salad out of them, and that's really different and fun.
4. I see your point, but my experience is that people are averse to dark meat and prefer the breast instead, but if you're confident with that bunch that it'll work, yes.
I think you've got it down right. You're a bold man making the bread too. Brisket it probably the biggest room for error, but I'd guess crutching and putting it in the oven will help offset that. I made the mistake of inviting people over for that Texas Trinity meal I mentioned earlier and then having to pull everything too soon.
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Post by LazBro on Jul 14, 2014 9:45:03 GMT -5
1. You're going to want a sauce unfortunately. And making your own would be a nice touch. They are kinda fun to make. Do this: 1 cup ketchup, 3/4 cup apple cider vinegar, 2 tablespoons Worcestershire sauce (or just fish sauce!), 1-2 tablespoons chile powder, 1/4 cup brown sugar, 1-2 tablespoons onion powder. Simmer together, taste, and adjust for seasoning. (Maybe throw in some sambal for heat). Yes, make it ahead. It will get better as it sits. 2. Check out Hirsch's in Plano, on Parker near Alma. They have tons of different German style sausages. 3. Yeah. You can mix it up and do a different potato salad but it's just one of those expected things at a barbecue. There's this 'cue joint up in Virginia by my wife's parents that roasts the potatoes and then makes a potato salad out of them, and that's really different and fun. 4. I see your point, but my experience is that people are averse to dark meat and prefer the breast instead, but if you're confident with that bunch that it'll work, yes. I think you've got it down right. You're a bold man making the bread too. Brisket it probably the biggest room for error, but I'd guess crutching and putting it in the oven will help offset that. I made the mistake of inviting people over for that Texas Trinity meal I mentioned earlier and then having to pull everything too soon. Thanks for the advice. Yeah, Hirsche's was on my list. I'm considering grilling the potatoes and then making the salad. I've done it before and like it, but I've never done it when making it ahead. One thing that will be fun: because my egg will be so busy with the meat, I'm using my propane grill for the grilled vegetables/whatever the hell else I decide I want slap some heat on. Two grills going at once, a glass of beer I brewed myself ... this is going to be the manliest moment in my life.
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Post by pairesta on Jul 14, 2014 9:52:26 GMT -5
I suggest wrestling a shark at the same time.
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Post by NewHereAgainoZach on Jul 14, 2014 12:55:56 GMT -5
You could also wrap some root veg in foil, and toss them in the smoker with the meat. That way, they'll get done far earlier than if you pull the grill out at the last minute, and if you want to do a potato salad, they can cool with ample time for slicing. My rig was fairly simple. I put an aluminum pan into the bottom of the Weber, then made a pile of unlit briquettes next to it. After making it even, I poured a chimney starter full of lit briquettes over it, poured water into the pan, then put down the grate. After letting it come up to temp, I scraped and oiled the grate, then pulled it in order to place a pie pan under the area that my meat would eventually rest. After re-settling the grate, I placed the brisket fat-side-down over the coals, to get a sear. After five, flipped to the other side for another five, then moved it off the direct heat for the long haul. I put a foil packet of soaked applewood chips* over the coals, then put the lid on, with the vents half-closed. Every few hours, I lit more coals in the chimney and poured them in on the same side. Toward the end of the night, I put a foil-wrapped potato, and two beets, on the grill, then eventually ate them all together. The brisket turned out moist, rich and delicious. Since I was cooking only for myself, I made do with a 2 2/3 pound piece of flat-cut, which I let sit for a day and a half in a rub of salt, sugar, ancho, chipotle and garlic, with a liberal layer of black pepper to hold it all in. Unfortunately, there was no real smoke ring; it took a while for it to get uniformly black, as I was unable to maintain consistent smoke. My fruitwood connections failed me, so I had to make do. A note: I had forgotten just how rich beef brisket is. I wish I'd had something acid to cut the fat, like a pickle, or, gasp, a nicely vinegared dipping sauce. This is actually from an earlier experiment with the same rig, where the protein is duck breast. I didn't shoot photos of the brisket, as it was raining a lot, and I was jetting back and forth between the grill, and the World Cup final.
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Post by pairesta on Jul 14, 2014 13:21:00 GMT -5
OK, so this was a charcoal grill, not gas then? They actually sell smoker kits to turn your weber charcoal kettle into a smoker.
Brisket looks awesome and had the right texture. Too many times I look at a picture of a brisket and it just looks unappetizingly dry. But yours has that nice, thready, very close to falling apart texture that IMOP marks when it's done right. And that bark!
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Post by NewHereAgainoZach on Jul 14, 2014 13:34:06 GMT -5
I got the meat at Whole Foods, and it had a gorgeous fatcap. I mainly got super lucky. There was one small flap of meat on the underside that, in hindsight, I wish I'd trimmed, because it was completely dry. Beef jerky dry. But, yes, it had the perfect texture, and I think the sugar in the rub helped make that beautiful, uniform bark. More smoky flavor would have been nice, but that's what I get for using wood chips instead of lumps. My own worst critic, over here!
Oh, and for baking potatoes, I've taken to putting a cushion of kosher salt in the foil, before wrapping the potato. It does magical things to the texture: you end up with what feels like a mashed potato inside the jacket. Not ideal for potato salad, but imagine smoked mashed potatoes? Do the foil wrap until it's done, then unwrap and place back in the smoker for fifteen, twenty minutes, then remove and mash? I just thought of that, but now, I'm gonna have to make it...
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Post by NewHereAgainoZach on Jul 14, 2014 13:35:48 GMT -5
Just wanted to say, Snape, the smoke ring on those ribs is absolutely pornographic. That's a compliment, by the way.
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