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Post by Superb Owl π¦ on Jul 10, 2014 16:45:08 GMT -5
There is going to be a netflix series starring Lily Tomlin, Jane Fonda, Sam Waterson, and Martin Sheen. It is about two people who don't care for each other(Tomlin, and Fonda) who will learn to lean on each other because their husbands(Waterson, and Sheen) come out as gay lovers who have been having an affair for the past 20 years and want to get married. It is a comedy. I cannot wait. This sounds good, but my main thought on it how weird it is how things have shifted from movies to TV. This seems like the exact kind of cast and premise that would have been a late fall release my mom would have wanted to go see in the theater. I kind of mean that as a compliment.
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Post by MrsLangdonAlger on Jul 10, 2014 19:51:47 GMT -5
That's basically "you can't fire me! I quit!" I picture him storming out crying after all that. Sorry* your show sucks, Sutter. *Not sorry.
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Post by Douay-Rheims-Challoner on Jul 10, 2014 19:59:48 GMT -5
Right so I'm near the end of the fourth season of The Shield. And I realize this is a spoiler Arthur Dent, but THEY CHANGE THE MUSIC FOR THE 'PREVIOUSLY ON' segment. About bloody time, the WAH-WAH of the horns the old music used was driving me up the wall (the new piece is mellower and nicer - not quite Justified nice, but good.) I'm also just really surprised that, in its fourth season, The Shield is sticking to the 4:3 aspect ratio. It's kind of fascinating when watching older shows to see when they actually deal with the increased change to aspect ratios on TV - with X-Files moving to widescreen 16:9 as they relocated to California in season six - or new releases using the current aspect ratio (as Babylon 5's DVD releases were in 16:9 as the show was actually shot with 16:9 in mind.) But The Shield is sticking to 4:3 in season four in 2005, years after the X-Files went off the air, years after the Sopranos and its widescreen cinematics started kicking up a fuss, and so on. I was beginning to fear that maybe there was something wrong with the Netflix version of the show so I did some googling - turns out the creators maintained the 4:3 for the first five seasons because they felt that made it look more like a documentary. Nothing marks Shield as a TV show of its time to me quite as much as the shakycam handheld docu-footage - the technique the Office popularized for fiction TV, seen also in Battlestar Galactica, Friday Night Lights and, eventually, Boston Legal. MOVING ON I just watched the penultimate episode of Believe. The series went on hiatus for over a month for no particularly articulated reasons, as there was hardly anything to pre-empt it with (it airs on Watch, an obscure channel defined by largely cancelled shows - Almost Human, Crisis - and shows that trudge on anyway, like Grimm and Beauty and the Beast.) And then I read the series finale is unavailable in the US and only available online in New Zealand, and the nature of NBC's abrupt burnoff of the series becomes clear. Watch will actually air the final episode on regular TV this Thursday, and since I watched this far (all the way to see Pedro Pascal die again! That's twice in one year Pedro) I'll see it out; besides the beguiling if a little tetchy The Honourable Woman and the sad-sack antics of Louie I don't have a lot going Thursdays. While it had some strong performances - particularly the young girl, who has a natural chemistry with the actor playing her father - Believe has always felt more like an earnest idea for a TV series than one in actuality, with its need to hit certain emotional beats as predictable as clockwork. And yet it's been, for a network TV series, consistently above-par visually - if not the glorious blood-drenched macabre dance of Hannibal it's at least not the bland procedural lighting of Person of Interest. This isn't a recommendation - it's not awful, but there's just never been a lot there, like the entire thing trundled forward with half a script at all times. I also saw the first episode of Silicon Valley. Matt Ross's intense stare while doing charity work in Africa was the hardest laugh of the thing (but it was good really.)
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Post by Arthur Dent on Jul 10, 2014 20:24:03 GMT -5
Right so I'm near the end of the fourth season of The Shield. And I realize this is a spoiler Arthur Dent, but THEY CHANGE THE MUSIC FOR THE 'PREVIOUSLY ON' segment. About bloody time, the WAH-WAH of the horns the old music used was driving me up the wall (the new piece is mellower and nicer - not quite Justified nice, but good.) I'm also just really surprised that, in its fourth season, The Shield is sticking to the 4:3 aspect ratio. It's kind of fascinating when watching older shows to see when they actually deal with the increased change to aspect ratios on TV - with X-Files moving to widescreen 16:9 as they relocated to California in season six - or new releases using the current aspect ratio (as Babylon 5's DVD releases were in 16:9 as the show was actually shot with 16:9 in mind.) But The Shield is sticking to 4:3 in season four in 2005, years after the X-Files went off the air, years after the Sopranos and its widescreen cinematics started kicking up a fuss, and so on. I was beginning to fear that maybe there was something wrong with the Netflix version of the show so I did some googling - turns out the creators maintained the 4:3 for the first five seasons because they felt that made it look more like a documentary. Nothing marks Shield as a TV show of its time to me quite as much as the shakycam handheld docu-footage - the technique the Office popularized for fiction TV, seen also in Battlestar Galactica, Friday Night Lights and, eventually, Boston Legal. MOVING ON I just watched the penultimate episode of Believe. The series went on hiatus for over a month for no particularly articulated reasons, as there was hardly anything to pre-empt it with (it airs on Watch, an obscure channel defined by largely cancelled shows - Almost Human, Crisis - and shows that trudge on anyway, like Grimm and Beauty and the Beast.) And then I read the series finale is unavailable in the US and only available online in New Zealand, and the nature of NBC's abrupt burnoff of the series becomes clear. Watch will actually air the final episode on regular TV this Thursday, and since I watched this far (all the way to see Pedro Pascal die again! That's twice in one year Pedro) I'll see it out; besides the beguiling if a little tetchy The Honourable Woman and the sad-sack antics of Louie I don't have a lot going Thursdays. While it had some strong performances - particularly the young girl, who has a natural chemistry with the actor playing her father - Believe has always felt more like an earnest idea for a TV series than one in actuality, with its need to hit certain emotional beats as predictable as clockwork. And yet it's been, for a network TV series, consistently above-par visually - if not the glorious blood-drenched macabre dance of Hannibal it's at least not the bland procedural lighting of Person of Interest. This isn't a recommendation - it's not awful, but there's just never been a lot there, like the entire thing trundled forward with half a script at all times. I also saw the first episode of Silicon Valley. Matt Ross's intense stare while doing charity work in Africa was the hardest laugh of the thing (but it was good really.) It was 4:3 on Amazon Video, but it's standard widescreen on all the dvds. The smaller ratio took a little getting used to*, but I grew to like it. The widescreen is fine too, but switching over was a little disappointing. And the change of background music for the Previously On segments really does not count as a spoiler. It's okay. I honestly don't even notice them usually. Mildly frustrated that I still haven't even finished season 3 though. . *I honestly don't think I'd ever seen it before.
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Post by Douay-Rheims-Challoner on Jul 10, 2014 20:46:10 GMT -5
Arthur Dent Wow, I really suck at jokes apparently. And believe me, you've seen 4:3 before. If you watched like any 90s TV, you've seen 4:3. Classic Simpsons? 4:3! For the record Shield was 4:3 by deliberate choice, so I guess seeing it that way is 'better' than the 16:9 that they deliberately didn't want (until they caved in the sixth season) so I'm good.
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Post by The Larch on Jul 15, 2014 5:27:02 GMT -5
So, yesterday I was watching my weekly X-Files (season 4 episode 15, Kaddish) and there's a scene in a synagogue where Mark Snow's soundtrack blatantly rips off a Bach organ fugue. Then today I'm watching my weekly Millennium episode (season 1 episode 14, The Thin White Line) and again this theme appears in the soundtrack, about 8 minutes into the episode. Now I'm really confused because either Snow has been re-appropriating this theme for years and I've only just noticed for whatever reason, or he just decided for this one week he really liked the piece and put it in the soundtrack of both shows.
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Post by Arthur Dent on Jul 15, 2014 12:54:53 GMT -5
The funny thing that I've gone through since starting The Shield is that I think Sutter was possibly that show's consistently best writer, at least so far. He has his hands over many of the series' best episodes. And then I look back at SOA and wonder. Was Shawn Ryan just carefully moderating him, and/or extensively rewriting scripts like Milch did with Deadwood? Or did his worsts aspects just balloon over time? Especially considering what he wanted to be Dutch's resolution in the series finale. .
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Post by Arthur Dent on Jul 15, 2014 12:57:29 GMT -5
Arthur Dent Wow, I really suck at jokes apparently. And believe me, you've seen 4:3 before. If you watched like any 90s TV, you've seen 4:3. Classic Simpsons? 4:3! For the record Shield was 4:3 by deliberate choice, so I guess seeing it that way is 'better' than the 16:9 that they deliberately didn't want (until they caved in the sixth season) so I'm good. No, I suck at reading jokes. And that's what I was saying regarding the ratio. Now I'm torn over whether I should go back to Amazon to properly see how the show was intended. I have definitely seen 4:3 before, I was just confused about it because of how it looked on the TV I've been using. Because of how big the TV is, it's just a square in the middle of the screen surrounded by black.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2014 15:22:15 GMT -5
The funny thing that I've gone through since starting The Shield is that I think Sutter was possibly that show's consistently best writer, at least so far. He has his hands over many of the series' best episodes. And then I look back at SOA and wonder. Was Shawn Ryan just carefully moderating him, and/or extensively rewriting scripts like Milch did with Deadwood? Or did his worsts aspects just balloon over time? Especially considering what he wanted to be Dutch's resolution in the series finale. . Shawn Ryan was totally able to reign him in. SOA actually was good, really good, in the first two seasons. Then it just went off the rails. I think Sutter can work well within a box. He can write you a script and make it great, but fall on him to be the guy who makes the major decisions and sustain a long story? It is going to go off the rails. It doesn't help that FX pretty much gives him anything he asks for, like half the season being extra long episodes.
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Post by Pear on Jul 15, 2014 15:54:01 GMT -5
"While other fucking shows that ran out of story three seasons ago" Funny, he just also described his own show.
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Post by Pear on Jul 15, 2014 16:00:49 GMT -5
The funny thing that I've gone through since starting The Shield is that I think Sutter was possibly that show's consistently best writer, at least so far. He has his hands over many of the series' best episodes. And then I look back at SOA and wonder. Was Shawn Ryan just carefully moderating him, and/or extensively rewriting scripts like Milch did with Deadwood? Or did his worsts aspects just balloon over time? Especially considering what he wanted to be Dutch's resolution in the series finale. . Agreed about Sutter. He had a hand in some absolutely brilliant Shield episodes, and his episodes were consistently entertaining. Of course, he's also a pompous dick who gets butthurt over any criticism, and the later seasons of Sons have showcased how shitty of a writer he can be. I look forward to the 6 hour series finale of Sons.
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Post by Douay-Rheims-Challoner on Jul 15, 2014 16:13:06 GMT -5
It was kind of weird to see Sutter's name attached to genuinely good scripts on the Shield given what a petulant thin-skinned personality he seems to have online (on the other hand: Dan Harmon.)
Anyway I finished the sixth season of The Shield today I should be done with the show by the end of the week. I've also been keeping up with Watch's schedule on Almost Human - and of all the cancelled sci-fi shows I've seen this year and I have actually seen a few Almost Human's cancellation feels the most unfair: A solid supporting cast, great camaraderie between the leads and generally an interesting blend of Blade Runner style cyberpunk and network cop stuff. It certainly feels like a show I'd rather have a second season of than say The 100 (two eps in: Think CW plus Lost and add an admittedly cool generational space station) or Extant (a show that takes what I like to call the Bruce Maddox Defense: Androids can't be people just because! Like they're machines! Also SOULS - one misses Almost Human's admittedly weird synthetic soul idea when that goes down)
Also The Honourable Woman has apparently become quite the watercooler show. But will any of it pay off I wonder?
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Post by MrsLangdonAlger on Jul 15, 2014 16:17:41 GMT -5
There are two shows that my most recent ex insisted I watch that I will never quite forgive him for: the later seasons of SOA and The Following.
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Post by Arthur Dent on Jul 15, 2014 18:37:15 GMT -5
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Post by Douay-Rheims-Challoner on Jul 15, 2014 18:44:56 GMT -5
Arthur Dent Oh that was where I was last week! How about that thing that went down, eh?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2014 19:20:24 GMT -5
I'm finally, finally getting back to Six Feet Under, after a long hiatus. I'm nearly finished with season 4 now, only the final season to go.
This bit from last night's ep made me laugh and laugh - I love David so much.
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Post by Douay-Rheims-Challoner on Jul 15, 2014 19:46:42 GMT -5
I just watched the season four premiere of Falling Skies.
What. The. Everloving. Fuck.
Now let's be clear: This was never a good show. But it never went balls-to-the-wall WTF like this before.
I knew that the show had a new showrunner (because the guy who ran the show for the last three seasons just got tired of TV apparently) but rarely have I seen a show so eager to throw out as much poor as it can and stuff in so many inexplicable new ideas, just throwing bad element after bad element to the point the episode seriously ends with an alien contemplating genocide of the human race over a case of mildly inconvenient hooliganism by an 'anonymous' hero who is also someone they keep in a cell only they somehow never notice that he leaves his cell to do these petty acts and I didn't even mention how an alien species that spent all of season one using harnesses to warp the minds of kids to control them has completely abandoned this idea in favour of reeducation schools for no clear reason at all (since we knew they'd used the harness on other alien species in the past) which is also just a dumb idea because of course some kids are going to resist and of course the Mason kid is going to be one oh and oh and did I mention that the maybe alien-influenced baby has grown up to shed her black hair for blonde for no other reason than to look like Daenerys while using god powers to make a peaceful city oh and over here are all the ghettos all the humans are imprisoned in but don't worry here's an ex-prisoner from Johannesburg who has been breaking out of the alien prisons only to be put back in the next one all over the world why would you trust someone with that kind of track record and and and and Daenerys USES lighting to strike down mechs and may also have mind control and and and MASON WRITES THE CONSTITUTION ON HIS CELL
So uh the new guy is David Eick, who you may remember as the guy who worked for four years on Battlestar Galactica though rarely on the creative end and when he did become creatively involved it resulted in some of the worst episodes of the series (like "Hero.")
Saddle up, this season is going to be a bumpy ride as I may incoherently try to summarise it here unless everyone shouts me down.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2014 3:45:51 GMT -5
The next TV Club 10 is going to be on Enterprise. My predictions is that the list will be 6 episodes, 2 that actually make the list and 4 honorable mentions. None of them being the finale.
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Post by Douay-Rheims-Challoner on Jul 16, 2014 4:36:05 GMT -5
@taxman I bet season four will have more eps thananyothet season. I wonder if they will include one three parter arc entire they should.
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Post by ganews on Jul 17, 2014 22:21:49 GMT -5
Damn, I was never super impressed with Jessica Williams on the Daily Show, but she just did an amazing segment. Talking about how the US military has instituted regulation haircuts for black women that don't include any natural hair styles, she took a white colonel to a beauty salon and showed him the time and pain involved in the regulation styles.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2014 2:40:18 GMT -5
@taxman I bet season four will have more eps thananyothet season. I wonder if they will include one three parter arc entire they should. Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if 3 and 4 got the bulk of the episodes. Though since the TV Club 10 does bend the rules a bit and not make it a top 10 by quality, they make it a top 10 by which episodes are most representative of the series. There will probably be some stinkers thrown in.
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Post by Douay-Rheims-Challoner on Jul 18, 2014 3:00:18 GMT -5
ganews I feel Jessica Williams has been doing some great bits for years now, honestly.
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Post by Post-Lupin on Jul 18, 2014 7:24:03 GMT -5
I just watched the season four premiere of Falling Skies. What. The. Everloving. Fuck. I ragequit with last week's ep, because fuck those wankers. But I will be pleased to read you Going Sims at the rest of the season!
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Post by pairesta on Jul 18, 2014 9:20:52 GMT -5
Only two months late, but we finally finished The Americans S2 last night. Wow did they drop the bottom out from under me on that one.
I love this show, yet I just find it very difficult to keep up with it. Up until this week we had like half the season sitting unwatched in our DVR queue and had to make ourselves watch it.
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Post by pairesta on Jul 18, 2014 9:23:03 GMT -5
Is it just me, or is this summer light on programming? Having finished the Americans, there's very little "live" TV on right now. Of course, logically I should use that downtime to catch up on shows I've not seen yet like Hannibal, Fargo, or maybe The Leftovers. It just seems weird that a few months ago, there was a four way pileup on my DVR on sunday nights, and currently there's nothing. Spread the love, guys!
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Post by Superb Owl π¦ on Jul 18, 2014 9:48:09 GMT -5
I just watched the season four premiere of Falling Skies. What. The. Everloving. Fuck. Now let's be clear: This was never a good show. But it never went balls-to-the-wall WTF like this before. I knew that the show had a new showrunner (because the guy who ran the show for the last three seasons just got tired of TV apparently) but rarely have I seen a show so eager to throw out as much poor as it can and stuff in so many inexplicable new ideas, just throwing bad element after bad element to the point the episode seriously ends with an alien contemplating genocide of the human race over a case of mildly inconvenient hooliganism by an 'anonymous' hero who is also someone they keep in a cell only they somehow never notice that he leaves his cell to do these petty acts and I didn't even mention how an alien species that spent all of season one using harnesses to warp the minds of kids to control them has completely abandoned this idea in favour of reeducation schools for no clear reason at all (since we knew they'd used the harness on other alien species in the past) which is also just a dumb idea because of course some kids are going to resist and of course the Mason kid is going to be one oh and oh and did I mention that the maybe alien-influenced baby has grown up to shed her black hair for blonde for no other reason than to look like Daenerys while using god powers to make a peaceful city oh and over here are all the ghettos all the humans are imprisoned in but don't worry here's an ex-prisoner from Johannesburg who has been breaking out of the alien prisons only to be put back in the next one all over the world why would you trust someone with that kind of track record and and and and Daenerys USES lighting to strike down mechs and may also have mind control and and and MASON WRITES THE CONSTITUTION ON HIS CELL So uh the new guy is David Eick, who you may remember as the guy who worked for four years on Battlestar Galactica though rarely on the creative end and when he did become creatively involved it resulted in some of the worst episodes of the series (like "Hero.") Saddle up, this season is going to be a bumpy ride as I may incoherently try to summarise it here unless everyone shouts me down. I only ever watched the pilot of Falling Skies and it didn't do anything for me.
That being said, I will read the shit out of a series of posts like this detailing the WTF developments of every episode.
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Post by Superb Owl π¦ on Jul 18, 2014 9:49:35 GMT -5
Is it just me, or is this summer light on programming? Having finished the Americans, there's very little "live" TV on right now. Of course, logically I should use that downtime to catch up on shows I've not seen yet like Hannibal, Fargo, or maybe The Leftovers. It just seems weird that a few months ago, there was a four way pileup on my DVR on sunday nights, and currently there's nothing. Spread the love, guys! I noticed this as well. It doesn't help that something like Halt and Catch Fire has turned out to be such a bore.
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Post by Douay-Rheims-Challoner on Jul 18, 2014 16:26:17 GMT -5
HOW DID FALLING SKIES GET RENEWED FOR A FIFTH SEASON
YOU KNOW THAT'S TWO SEASONS MORE THAN STAR TREK AT THIS POINT
I JUST DON'T
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Post by Pear on Jul 18, 2014 20:38:09 GMT -5
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