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Post by MrsLangdonAlger on Aug 24, 2015 15:50:14 GMT -5
I was talking to Iffy about rewatching the X-Files and mentioned that there are episodes I'd be skipping because I disliked them so much. Thought it would be interesting to discuss bad episodes of TV shows we love.
Here's my X-Files list, which is actually shorter than I'd think. There are plenty of other episodes that are kind of bland or mediocre, but I'm fairly forgiving of the show since it's one of my favorites.
Season 1:
6 - Shadows - poltergeist episode, horribly made. One of the cheapest looking of the bunch.
9 - Space - so boring, with a premise that could have been much more interesting. At least we had "Ice" that same season to ease the pain.
Season 2:
3 - Blood - The only good thing about this episode is Mulder's joke about angry Jehovah's Witnesses.
7 - 3 (3 being the episode title) - I might be less forgiving of this title than others because the "vampire" woman Mulder gets close to is one of the worst actresses in the entire universe.
Season 3:
6 - 2SHY - The only good thing about this episode is the guy who plays the killer.
18 - Teso Dos Bichos
Season 4:
6 - Sanguinarium - I suppose this could be fun for fans of gore, but otherwise it's just silly.
11 - El Mundo Gira - This one is just weird, and not in a good way.
Season 5:
10 - Chinga - Sorry, Stephen King, this episode has some of your worst qualities reflected in it.
Season 6:
16 - Alpha
I'm not going to even bother with seasons past this as there's more bad than good in them.
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Post by wrath of kong on Aug 24, 2015 17:11:32 GMT -5
The Columbus Day Parade episode of The Sopranos.
Pretty much the entirety of the last season of Frasier.
The "what if" episodes of Futurama.
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Post by Invisible Goat on Aug 24, 2015 18:18:33 GMT -5
"Stranger In A Strange Land" and "Fire + Water" from Lost.
"Man With A Plan" from Mad Men (where Don turns into Christian Grey for some reason).
"Prison Break-In" from Arrested Development.
"Unbowed, Unbent, Unbroken" from GoT.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2015 20:22:45 GMT -5
I was talking to Iffy about rewatching the X-Files and mentioned that there are episodes I'd be skipping because I disliked them so much. Thought it would be interesting to discuss bad episodes of TV shows we love. Here's my X-Files list, which is actually shorter than I'd think. There are plenty of other episodes that are kind of bland or mediocre, but I'm fairly forgiving of the show since it's one of my favorites. Season 1: 6 - Shadows - poltergeist episode, horribly made. One of the cheapest looking of the bunch. 9 - Space - so boring, with a premise that could have been much more interesting. At least we had "Ice" that same season to ease the pain. Season 2: 3 - Blood - The only good thing about this episode is Mulder's joke about angry Jehovah's Witnesses. 7 - 3 (3 being the episode title) - I might be less forgiving of this title than others because the "vampire" woman Mulder gets close to is one of the worst actresses in the entire universe. Season 3: 6 - 2SHY - The only good thing about this episode is the guy who plays the killer. 18 - Teso Dos Bichos Season 4: 6 - Sanguinarium - I suppose this could be fun for fans of gore, but otherwise it's just silly. 11 - El Mundo Gira - This one is just weird, and not in a good way. Season 5: 10 - Chinga - Sorry, Stephen King, this episode has some of your worst qualities reflected in it. Season 6: 16 - Alpha I'm not going to even bother with seasons past this as there's more bad than good in them. 3 is the woooooorst. That actress was Duchovney's girlfriend at the time. Was she a bad actress before she was subjected to him, or did he make her a terrible actress with his love gun? WHO KNOWS. WE WILL NEVER KNOW. There is no X-Files after season 6, as far as I'm concerned. |
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Post by MrsLangdonAlger on Aug 24, 2015 20:54:50 GMT -5
I will accept X-Cops and the one where they almost make an X-Files movie as post season 6 episodes. Otherwise I'm with you!
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Post by Roy Batty's Pet Dove on Aug 24, 2015 22:08:11 GMT -5
The Gas Leak season of Community was pretty unfunny in general, but the season finale that year was particularly awful, as in like I've probably been exposed to episodes of 2.5 Men that were funnier, and the shitty Halloween episode was almost as bad.
Also, it's not a bad episode, but I wasn't a fan of "Marco", the Season 1 finale of Better Call Saul. It was contrived, relied too heavily on ridiculous coincidences, was a little anticlimactic, and it was hard to buy Saul's motivation for his change-of-heart.
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Post by LazBro on Aug 25, 2015 8:00:06 GMT -5
Also, it's not a bad episode, but I wasn't a fan of "Marco", the Season 1 finale of Better Call Saul. It was contrived, relied too heavily on ridiculous coincidences, was a little anticlimactic, and it was hard to buy Saul's motivation for his change-of-heart. I wish I didn't agree here, but I do. The show was all but perfect until that episode. I'm still anguished with excitement over next season of course, but I was disappointed after such a great season, and for such a pivotal moment, they didn't stick the landing. |
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Post by Dackquiri on Aug 26, 2015 9:35:39 GMT -5
Brooklyn Nine-Nine's S2 Halloween episode is pretty garbage. Holt springs this elaborate prank on Peralta—slightly against character in principle, in open defiance of his character in its scope (particularly after his explosion at the end of Jimmy-Jab Games). Plus, the convoluted nature of the prank just makes the "I was behind this series of events that unfolded the whole time" unbelievable, on top of its bad-fanfiction caliber understanding of Holt.
You know how shows get goofy, broad and cartoonish as the years and renewals drag on, its writers and actors lose the bead on their characters (if they're even the same writers responsible for the series' prime)? It was an episode like that in the middle of a great second season. Utterly jarring.
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Post by Douay-Rheims-Challoner on Aug 26, 2015 10:50:05 GMT -5
There's many lows to choose from in Star Trek: The Next Generation - a fan anti-favourite is "Code of Honor", which has been roundly trashed by none other than Jonathan Frakes and Wil Wheaton for its racism - but Melinda Snodgrass's spectacularly ill-conceived Space Tinkers episode, "Up The Long Ladder," would remain my pick.
On that note, "A Prefect Murder" is the worst Farscape episode, and it's a shame they never did season four reviews on the AVC, because I could have gone into quite a great depth as to why - the most nonsensical and yet dull plot in the show's run, and the Father Jack-inspired alien (by way of the Total Recall baby) is one of the Jim Henson Company ideas the show threw out that sounds a lot cooler than it actually is.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2015 13:58:48 GMT -5
Arrested Development (first three seasons): the entire "Charlize Theron is mentally handicapped" storyline.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2015 17:57:13 GMT -5
Space is sooooooooooooooo terrible. Pretty much agree on all the x-files episodes listed(that I've seen). And with IG on the two LOST episodes.
I would say about every episode from 24 season six, after episode four. It is amazing just how not good that season is compared to all the others, even 7 & 8.
The finale of Breaking Bad.
Every other episode of Voyager.
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Post by Meth Lab Shenanigans on Aug 26, 2015 22:03:04 GMT -5
Also, it's not a bad episode, but I wasn't a fan of "Marco", the Season 1 finale of Better Call Saul. It was contrived, relied too heavily on ridiculous coincidences, was a little anticlimactic, and it was hard to buy Saul's motivation for his change-of-heart. Yeah, I was pretty disappointed by it. Easily the worst single episode of the show thus far. Most great TV makes me forget that what I'm watching is fictional. For the most part, Better Call Saul achieved that, which is why Marco is such a bizarrely weak installment. It followed so many cliched, predictable beats that I kept waiting for some kind of twist, but it never came. The finale of Breaking Bad. This, on the other hand, is heresy and I will not stand for it. |
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Post by Desert Dweller on Aug 27, 2015 0:54:14 GMT -5
There's many lows to choose from in Star Trek: The Next Generation - a fan anti-favourite is "Code of Honor", which has been roundly trashed by none other than Jonathan Frakes and Wil Wheaton for its racism - but Melinda Snodgrass's spectacularly ill-conceived Space Tinkers episode, "Up The Long Ladder," would remain my pick. I got into an internet discussion very recently, like less than 2 weeks ago, with a woman who insisted that this is a really good episode. She was very upset that I called it "almost total garbage". She argued her point in several paragraphs, using examples. It was weird. I'm still picking "Code of Honor". |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2015 2:03:03 GMT -5
Meth Lab Shenanigans I honestly can't think of an episode I like less than that one of BrBa. I really do like or love ALL the previous episodes. I am grading it mostly on a BrBa grading curve, which is very harsh mind you, because the rest of the series is so good. But I also just don't think it was a good ending. It felt more like fanfiction. Walt gets to go out with some kind of dignity, succeeds in getting the money to his children, and somehow admits all along it was for him. When really he was a selfish monster who deserved to die up in that cabin, just wasting away. The show spent 5 seasons turning him into a villain, only to let him go out more like a cool anti-hero, blech.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2015 2:15:36 GMT -5
There's many lows to choose from in Star Trek: The Next Generation - a fan anti-favourite is "Code of Honor", which has been roundly trashed by none other than Jonathan Frakes and Wil Wheaton for its racism - but Melinda Snodgrass's spectacularly ill-conceived Space Tinkers episode, "Up The Long Ladder," would remain my pick. I got into an internet discussion very recently, like less than 2 weeks ago, with a woman who insisted that this is a really good episode. She was very upset that I called it "almost total garbage". She argued her point in several paragraphs, using examples. It was weird.      |
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Post by Meth Lab Shenanigans on Aug 27, 2015 10:26:21 GMT -5
Meth Lab Shenanigans I honestly can't think of an episode I like less than that one of BrBa. I really do like or love ALL the previous episodes. I am grading it mostly on a BrBa grading curve, which is very harsh mind you, because the rest of the series is so good. But I also just don't think it was a good ending. It felt more like fanfiction. Walt gets to go out with some kind of dignity, succeeds in getting the money to his children, and somehow admits all along it was for him. When really he was a selfish monster who deserved to die up in that cabin, just wasting away. The show spent 5 seasons turning him into a villain, only to let him go out more like a cool anti-hero, blech. Gotta disagree. Walt dies a lonely death, loathed by everyone he supposedly cared about. His actual son tells him to die and his surrogate son tells him to kill himself, and then he stumbles off to die in a meth lab. He got what he wanted only insomuch as he prevented his family and protege from being financially destroyed/tortured to death by bikers, respectively. "Felina" was devastatingly sad for me because you see these little traces of the man Walt could have been if he'd been less consumed by pride, but it's too late to save his soul. The final crane shot set to "Baby Blue" (a song that always chokes me up now) makes me think of all his wasted potential and the great things he could have done if the gentle intellectual in there had won out over the blustering, murderous monster. |
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Post by Lady Bones on Aug 27, 2015 10:28:20 GMT -5
I was talking to Iffy about rewatching the X-Files and mentioned that there are episodes I'd be skipping because I disliked them so much. Thought it would be interesting to discuss bad episodes of TV shows we love. Here's my X-Files list, which is actually shorter than I'd think. There are plenty of other episodes that are kind of bland or mediocre, but I'm fairly forgiving of the show since it's one of my favorites. Season 1: 6 - Shadows - poltergeist episode, horribly made. One of the cheapest looking of the bunch. 9 - Space - so boring, with a premise that could have been much more interesting. At least we had "Ice" that same season to ease the pain. Season 2: 3 - Blood - The only good thing about this episode is Mulder's joke about angry Jehovah's Witnesses. 7 - 3 (3 being the episode title) - I might be less forgiving of this title than others because the "vampire" woman Mulder gets close to is one of the worst actresses in the entire universe. Season 3: 6 - 2SHY - The only good thing about this episode is the guy who plays the killer. 18 - Teso Dos Bichos Season 4: 6 - Sanguinarium - I suppose this could be fun for fans of gore, but otherwise it's just silly. 11 - El Mundo Gira - This one is just weird, and not in a good way. Season 5: 10 - Chinga - Sorry, Stephen King, this episode has some of your worst qualities reflected in it. Season 6: 16 - Alpha I'm not going to even bother with seasons past this as there's more bad than good in them. Aww, I'm intending to watch Blood on the basis of EB from Deadwood being in it, I was hoping it'd be good. |
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Post by Dackquiri on Aug 27, 2015 10:42:26 GMT -5
Meth Lab Shenanigans I honestly can't think of an episode I like less than that one of BrBa. I really do like or love ALL the previous episodes. I am grading it mostly on a BrBa grading curve, which is very harsh mind you, because the rest of the series is so good. But I also just don't think it was a good ending. It felt more like fanfiction. Walt gets to go out with some kind of dignity, succeeds in getting the money to his children, and somehow admits all along it was for him. When really he was a selfish monster who deserved to die up in that cabin, just wasting away. The show spent 5 seasons turning him into a villain, only to let him go out more like a cool anti-hero, blech. Gotta disagree. Walt dies a lonely death, loathed by everyone he supposedly cared about. His actual son tells him to die and his surrogate son tells him to kill himself, and then he stumbles off to die in a meth lab. He got what he wanted only insomuch as he prevented his family and protege from being financially destroyed/tortured to death by bikers, respectively. "Felina" was devastatingly sad for me because you see these little traces of the man Walt could have been if he'd been less consumed by pride, but it's too late to save his soul. The final crane shot set to "Baby Blue" (a song that always chokes me up now) makes me think of all his wasted potential and the great things he could have done if the gentle intellectual in there had won out over the blustering, murderous monster. Well put. "Felina" was the portrait of a clever man setting his mind to it, utilizing and depleting everything in him to fix as much of the mess he made as possible. It's an attempt at a redemption story—it doesn't downplay the internal triumph and the things he accomplishes—but it's also a story of a man emptying his pockets to pay for the damages he's caused and coming up woefully short. The Baby Blue sequence just kinda drives home that there's no living to see another day and making things any better. If he survived, he would have eventually backslid right back into his vices. It's an unabashed best case scenario. Which is bittersweet—sweet to see in such a punishing show, but bitter because it doesn't bullshit you that everything going right in that hour makes much more of a difference than it does. |
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Post by Lady Bones on Aug 27, 2015 11:56:19 GMT -5
Probably the Earp brothers episode for Deadwood, where they arrive and take up way too much of the episode without being interesting. Their departure in the following one, Amateur Night, is the best thing with them and still the weakest part of that otherwise stellar episode.
She from Angel. By far the worst one to come out of that show, which impressively went from mid-season 2 (after Happy Anniversary and Thin Dead Line) to its end without a single bad episode.
Definitely the Columbus episode of the Sopranos.
The Killer in Me and Him are the absolute worst episodes of Buffy.
Profit and Lace for DS9, no further explanation needed.
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Post by Pear on Aug 27, 2015 13:23:01 GMT -5
Battlestar Galactica had some crappy episodes, e.g. The Woman King, Black Market, Epiphanies.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2015 14:21:51 GMT -5
Meth Lab Shenanigans I honestly can't think of an episode I like less than that one of BrBa. I really do like or love ALL the previous episodes. I am grading it mostly on a BrBa grading curve, which is very harsh mind you, because the rest of the series is so good. But I also just don't think it was a good ending. It felt more like fanfiction. Walt gets to go out with some kind of dignity, succeeds in getting the money to his children, and somehow admits all along it was for him. When really he was a selfish monster who deserved to die up in that cabin, just wasting away. The show spent 5 seasons turning him into a villain, only to let him go out more like a cool anti-hero, blech. Gotta disagree. Walt dies a lonely death, loathed by everyone he supposedly cared about. His actual son tells him to die and his surrogate son tells him to kill himself, and then he stumbles off to die in a meth lab. He got what he wanted only insomuch as he prevented his family and protege from being financially destroyed/tortured to death by bikers, respectively. "Felina" was devastatingly sad for me because you see these little traces of the man Walt could have been if he'd been less consumed by pride, but it's too late to save his soul. The final crane shot set to "Baby Blue" (a song that always chokes me up now) makes me think of all his wasted potential and the great things he could have done if the gentle intellectual in there had won out over the blustering, murderous monster. He also stumbles off to die in a meth lab rather than getting caught by the cops, something he never wanted to happen. While also getting revenge on the Neo Nazi's who fucked everything up for him. The meth lab scene is more to me him just admiring what he has done over the past year of his life. By the end of the series he lost all humanity imo, and him going to back to reminiscing about science and feeling remorse for what he really could have been just doesn't sit right with me. Not after seeing him go the lengths of poisoning a child to manipulate jesse, or being more or less fine with another kid being straight up murdered and then dissolved in an acid barrel. The whole thing more or less feels like him trying to control his way off the mortal plane than anything else, even if that isn't the intention of Vince Gilligan. Plus, the whole plan to kill the Nazi bikers was easily the dumbest thing the series did, even Macgyver would think that trunk gun is ridiculous. |
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Post by Douay-Rheims-Challoner on Aug 27, 2015 14:51:42 GMT -5
Yuri Petrovitch I dunno, "Grey 17 Is Missing" has at least a decent B-plot with Neroon versus Marcus. This is more than I could say for "T.K.O."; aka the episode inspired by a Steven Seagal movie (or, of course, "Infection.")
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Post by Douay-Rheims-Challoner on Aug 27, 2015 15:37:00 GMT -5
Yuri Petrovitch Touché. Somehow I forgot that T.K.O. was also the shiva episode (which when I first saw it stood out as one of the distinctly Babylon 5 kind of plots; this was definitely a space show that liked talking about real world religions.)
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Post by MrsLangdonAlger on Aug 27, 2015 18:31:47 GMT -5
I was talking to Iffy about rewatching the X-Files and mentioned that there are episodes I'd be skipping because I disliked them so much. Thought it would be interesting to discuss bad episodes of TV shows we love. Here's my X-Files list, which is actually shorter than I'd think. There are plenty of other episodes that are kind of bland or mediocre, but I'm fairly forgiving of the show since it's one of my favorites. Season 1: 6 - Shadows - poltergeist episode, horribly made. One of the cheapest looking of the bunch. 9 - Space - so boring, with a premise that could have been much more interesting. At least we had "Ice" that same season to ease the pain. Season 2: 3 - Blood - The only good thing about this episode is Mulder's joke about angry Jehovah's Witnesses. 7 - 3 (3 being the episode title) - I might be less forgiving of this title than others because the "vampire" woman Mulder gets close to is one of the worst actresses in the entire universe. Season 3: 6 - 2SHY - The only good thing about this episode is the guy who plays the killer. 18 - Teso Dos Bichos Season 4: 6 - Sanguinarium - I suppose this could be fun for fans of gore, but otherwise it's just silly. 11 - El Mundo Gira - This one is just weird, and not in a good way. Season 5: 10 - Chinga - Sorry, Stephen King, this episode has some of your worst qualities reflected in it. Season 6: 16 - Alpha I'm not going to even bother with seasons past this as there's more bad than good in them. Aww, I'm intending to watch Blood on the basis of EB from Deadwood being in it, I was hoping it'd be good. He's good in it, at least! And it's not terrible, just weird (not in a good way) and bland. |
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Post by Jean-Luc Lemur on Sept 11, 2015 14:06:23 GMT -5
Douay-Rheims-Challoner IIRC Snodgrass isn’t responsible for the episode’s badness. Her initial pitch was about colonization/immigration/prejudice (with a bit of abortion politics mixed in) and it was Maurice Hurley who turned it into the Space Irish—I think she even tried to get her name removed from the episode. The episode did have the two-piece cable-knit underwear, though, so it’s not entirely without merit. For DS9 there’s the obvious “Profit & Lace,” which suffered not only from being a bad comedic script but Siddig vainly trying to rescue it by trying to turn it into a serious drama. It’s so bad that other contenders (“Let He Who Is Without Sin,” for instance) barely register as bad in comparison.
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Post by Post-Lupin on Sept 12, 2015 13:19:15 GMT -5
Yuri Petrovitch I dunno, "Grey 17 Is Missing" has at least a decent B-plot with Neroon versus Marcus. This is more than I could say for "T.K.O."; aka the episode inspired by a Steven Seagal movie (or, of course, "Infection.") More than merely decent, if you're a Marcus/Rangers fan. And I'd put 'Infection' above 'TKO' for McCallum alone. Worst moment in B5 though - any time the Timotei Telepaths start singing that fucking hymn of theirs. |
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Post by Post-Lupin on Sept 12, 2015 13:20:20 GMT -5
Battlestar Galactica had some crappy episodes, e.g. The Woman King, Black Market, Epiphanies. ...and the ending. Never Forget. |
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Post by nowimnothing on Sept 12, 2015 14:21:14 GMT -5
Gotta disagree. Walt dies a lonely death, loathed by everyone he supposedly cared about. His actual son tells him to die and his surrogate son tells him to kill himself, and then he stumbles off to die in a meth lab. He got what he wanted only insomuch as he prevented his family and protege from being financially destroyed/tortured to death by bikers, respectively. "Felina" was devastatingly sad for me because you see these little traces of the man Walt could have been if he'd been less consumed by pride, but it's too late to save his soul. The final crane shot set to "Baby Blue" (a song that always chokes me up now) makes me think of all his wasted potential and the great things he could have done if the gentle intellectual in there had won out over the blustering, murderous monster. He also stumbles off to die in a meth lab rather than getting caught by the cops, something he never wanted to happen. While also getting revenge on the Neo Nazi's who fucked everything up for him. The meth lab scene is more to me him just admiring what he has done over the past year of his life. By the end of the series he lost all humanity imo, and him going to back to reminiscing about science and feeling remorse for what he really could have been just doesn't sit right with me. Not after seeing him go the lengths of poisoning a child to manipulate jesse, or being more or less fine with another kid being straight up murdered and then dissolved in an acid barrel. The whole thing more or less feels like him trying to control his way off the mortal plane than anything else, even if that isn't the intention of Vince Gilligan. Plus, the whole plan to kill the Nazi bikers was easily the dumbest thing the series did, even Macgyver would think that trunk gun is ridiculous. Surprisingly it fared the best out of all the things from the show they tested. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2015 15:33:28 GMT -5
I thought the Breaking Bad finale was a very enjoyable, satisfying episode that took a big, steaming dump on the tragic perfection of "Ozymandias."
Hannibal season 2, episode 3 ("Hassun") was such a massive disappointment after a stellar start to the season. It was like they decided to try to do the back-half of a Law & Order episode, but had never actually seen a legal procedural before. Or taken a civics class.
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Post by Meth Lab Shenanigans on Oct 24, 2015 1:47:30 GMT -5
Rick and Morty time! Lick lick lick my balls!
"Get Schwifty" - I didn't actually dislike this one as much as a lot of people did- it's easily the best of the three I'm listing here- but it was a big dropoff after the tragicomic perfection of "Auto Erotic Assimilation" and "Total Rickall" and marked the beginning of the much, much weaker second half of the season. Some truly great individual bits (the titular song, SHOW ME WHAT YOU GOT, Ice T), but it doesn't really cohere and feels more like an unusually good episode of Family Guy.
"Interdimensional Cable 2: Testing Fate" - worst episode of the series by far. Entirely pointless. The character work was nonexistent and not a single joke reached the level of "Rixty Minutes." It was like they thought that what people liked about the original was the fact that the ads were improvised, and not that they were incredibly funny (not to mention tied in with the best and most moving b-plot R&M has ever had).
"Look Who's Purging Now" - it had its funny moments, but overall just felt childish and mean-spirited, and the humor/character development wasn't solid enough to justify it. I might have liked it more if it came earlier in the season, surrounded by better episodes, but since it aired when it did, it felt like the elaboration on Morty's out-of-nowhere tv violence screed in "Interdimensional Cable 2" that no one asked for. Maybe I'll re-evaluate it when I do a rewatch.
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