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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2016 20:24:14 GMT -5
another suggestion:
hummingbird hawk-moth, the only moth officially noted by biologists to be "jacked like piscopo."
Probably not, it's a bug and well, I dunno.. I'll keep it on the list. [hm-m says thanks, downs thistle protein shake]
[venezuelan poodle moth barks]
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Post by Lord Lucan on Jan 14, 2016 20:50:55 GMT -5
Probably not, it's a bug and well, I dunno.. I'll keep it on the list. [hm-m says thanks, downs thistle protein shake]
[venezuelan poodle moth barks]
Venezuelan poodle moth. You're a ridiculous creature, poodle moth; cut it out and stop existing right now!
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Post by Hippo on Jan 15, 2016 1:39:54 GMT -5
Take it @cub likes moths.
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Post by haysoos on Jan 15, 2016 7:55:37 GMT -5
How could you not like moths? Just look at this little guy! Or the rosy maple moth, which looks like it belongs in an Easter basket. But I agree with Hippo that bugs can probably wait until all the awesome vertebrates are covered. Unless someone wants to start up a franchise thread.
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Post by Hippo on Jan 15, 2016 9:08:50 GMT -5
I don't dislike bugs, some of the bigger and interesting bugs can be fascinating in themselves (the "stop that now, how are you even a thing?" Venezuelan poodle moth being one of the more interesting examples) but I'll be honest, I'm no entomologist so it's like writing about plants or molecules for me. I'd be open to a new thread on random bug facts if anyone wishes to create a thread so I don't end up feeling bad about leaving things out.
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Post by moimoi on Jan 15, 2016 11:21:55 GMT -5
I'd start up a botany thread if there were any interest...
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Post by haysoos on Jan 15, 2016 14:10:49 GMT -5
I'd start up a botany thread if there were any interest... I'd be interested in a botany thread - although there's a lot less I could contribute in terms of paleontology or other tidbits.
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Post by Hachiman on Jan 15, 2016 17:27:49 GMT -5
Can I just openly ponder why Lesser Pandas can't be an invasive pest species? You ever notice that invasive species are nearly always creatures that don't really add anything to the landscape?* Its never an animal you wouldn't mind wreaking environmental destruction, digging through garbage, or wiping out a native species. I would be just fine if some Lesser Pandas escaped a zoo and overran the raccoons.
*The only exception I can think of off the top of my head are those parrots in San Francisco.
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Post by songstarliner on Jan 15, 2016 17:42:21 GMT -5
How could you not like moths? Just look at this little guy! That cutie-pie is, in fact, a needle-felted moth plushie. I want one. I love moths, especially the giant cecropia moths. One of these days I'm going to raise them. I'm all for an insect thread.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2016 18:00:43 GMT -5
Can I just openly ponder why Lesser Pandas can't be an invasive pest species? You ever notice that invasive species are nearly always creatures that don't really add anything to the landscape?* Its never an animal you wouldn't mind wreaking environmental destruction, digging through garbage, or wiping out a native species. I would be just fine if some Lesser Pandas escaped a zoo and overran the raccoons. *The only exception I can think of off the top of my head are those parrots in San Francisco. kudzu adds a LOT to the landscape tho
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Post by haysoos on Jan 15, 2016 18:06:43 GMT -5
Can I just openly ponder why Lesser Pandas can't be an invasive pest species? You ever notice that invasive species are nearly always creatures that don't really add anything to the landscape?* Its never an animal you wouldn't mind wreaking environmental destruction, digging through garbage, or wiping out a native species. I would be just fine if some Lesser Pandas escaped a zoo and overran the raccoons. *The only exception I can think of off the top of my head are those parrots in San Francisco. The second most destructive invasive species (after humans), which has spread all over the world and dealt untold destruction upon many ecosystems, including the extinction of several species of birds, small mammals, and reptiles tends to remain well regarded and welcomed in many homes. Campaigns to limit their destruction even face opposition from those who deliberately feed feral populations.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2016 18:14:45 GMT -5
Can I just openly ponder why Lesser Pandas can't be an invasive pest species? You ever notice that invasive species are nearly always creatures that don't really add anything to the landscape?* Its never an animal you wouldn't mind wreaking environmental destruction, digging through garbage, or wiping out a native species. I would be just fine if some Lesser Pandas escaped a zoo and overran the raccoons. *The only exception I can think of off the top of my head are those parrots in San Francisco. The second most destructive invasive species (after humans*), which has spread all over the world and dealt untold destruction upon many ecosystems, including the extinction of several species of birds, small mammals, and reptiles tends to remain well regarded and welcomed in many homes. Campaigns to limit their destruction even face opposition from those who deliberately feed feral populations. wow, double spoiler tagged-- that was suspenseful! *speaking of which, Hippo , can we do humans as animals with facts? here is a picture of a human:
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Post by Hippo on Jan 16, 2016 0:28:09 GMT -5
April Fool's Day.
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Post by Hachiman on Jan 16, 2016 7:34:42 GMT -5
Can I just openly ponder why Lesser Pandas can't be an invasive pest species? You ever notice that invasive species are nearly always creatures that don't really add anything to the landscape?* Its never an animal you wouldn't mind wreaking environmental destruction, digging through garbage, or wiping out a native species. I would be just fine if some Lesser Pandas escaped a zoo and overran the raccoons. *The only exception I can think of off the top of my head are those parrots in San Francisco. The second most destructive invasive species (after humans), which has spread all over the world and dealt untold destruction upon many ecosystems, including the extinction of several species of birds, small mammals, and reptiles tends to remain well regarded and welcomed in many homes. Campaigns to limit their destruction even face opposition from those who deliberately feed feral populations. True. I am always surprised by how rapid the dissent against controlling feral cat populations is (because KITTEHS!) even when their environmental impact is demonstrated again and again and again.
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Post by Hippo on Jan 16, 2016 7:39:40 GMT -5
The second most destructive invasive species (after humans), which has spread all over the world and dealt untold destruction upon many ecosystems, including the extinction of several species of birds, small mammals, and reptiles tends to remain well regarded and welcomed in many homes. Campaigns to limit their destruction even face opposition from those who deliberately feed feral populations. True. I am always surprised by how rapid the dissent against controlling feral cat populations is (because KITTEHS!) even when their environmental impact is demonstrated again and again and again. I do agree with tight feral cat control because feral cats are trouble for local ecosystems and horrible fluffballs of disease but I feel like having random red panda (none of this "lesser" panda bull) culls is worse, they'll end up like prairie dogs!
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Post by ganews on Jan 16, 2016 18:09:09 GMT -5
The second most destructive invasive species (after humans), which has spread all over the world and dealt untold destruction upon many ecosystems, including the extinction of several species of birds, small mammals, and reptiles tends to remain well regarded and welcomed in many homes. Campaigns to limit their destruction even face opposition from those who deliberately feed feral populations. True. I am always surprised by how rapid the dissent against controlling feral cat populations is (because KITTEHS!) even when their environmental impact is demonstrated again and again and again. Pet outdoor cats aren't much better. They kill plenty of small wildlife even when they can come home to a meal regardless. There used to be a program on NPR on Saturdays called the Animal House. It was 66% pet owner call-in to ask the resident veterinarian about their pet problems. I hated this show. It seemed like half the time the vet was prescribing kitty Prozac. I listened because I had to drive at that time every week, and this place is a radio wasteland. I finally decided I would rather drive in silence after a major report was released showing just how damaging housecats are to the environment, and the program host railed against this bad science that was being publicized by people who hate animals. It was exactly the same as listening to a climate-change denier.
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Post by dLᵒ on Jan 17, 2016 3:11:53 GMT -5
True. I am always surprised by how rapid the dissent against controlling feral cat populations is (because KITTEHS!) even when their environmental impact is demonstrated again and again and again. Pet outdoor cats aren't much better. They kill plenty of small wildlife even when they can come home to a meal regardless. There used to be a program on NPR on Saturdays called the Animal House. It was 66% pet owner call-in to ask the resident veterinarian about their pet problems. I hated this show. It seemed like half the time the vet was prescribing kitty Prozac. I listened because I had to drive at that time every week, and this place is a radio wasteland. I finally decided I would rather drive in silence after a major report was released showing just how damaging housecats are to the environment, and the program host railed against this bad science that was being publicized by people who hate animals. It was exactly the same as listening to a climate-change denier. If Prozac reduces the sex drive in humans do you think it would reduce the murder drive in felines?
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Post by Hippo on Jan 20, 2016 1:42:30 GMT -5
Facts today are on the ostrich, as requested by Lord Lucan because he requested a lot. You too could have your name here as well!
Ostriches are goofy looking desert-dwelling birds coming from Africa with two species with four subspecies across the genus Struthio. They live mostly within the north of Africa with an isolated subspecies native to the south of the continent. Unlike most species I cover, they are not endangered (except for the North African subspecies whose numbers are low enough to count as Critically Endangered) as people have noticed they're real resilient and also reasonably easy to farm. The ostrich is huge for a bird, weighing upto 140kg with a height of 1.5-2.5m and for the most part do look like a primitive species with their outsized legs, odd body shape and long neck along with their strange feet. Look at it, could be a dinosaur's claw, you don't know... except you do, it's not, this thing still lives.
Even though ostriches have wings spanning some two metres in width, they are unable to fly due to their size making flight impossible though they do get some use out of them as temperature regulators and to manoeuvre when running, easily capable of speeds of 50km/h and upto 70km/h. Due to the extreme temperature differences experienced in their habitats, ostriches have a complex system of air sacs which enable them to thermoregulate their body temperature as they lack sweat glands and are reliant on this and interestingly panting in order to stay cool. As a giant bird though, we know they're vicious evil monsters if Birdmas taught us anything and this is borne out by their ability to use their powerful legs to gut someone but only from the front, they cannot kick backwards but lay face down anyway to prevent being gored. Ostriches don't bury their heads, they do however lay their heads close to the ground and make a dirt mound on either side which can look like its head is buried. Humans have found new uses for the large bird of the desert, mostly for eggs, meat, feathers and leather as well as ostrich racing figuring "hey, they're big and could probably hold a human, why not?".
So, fellow flightless birds, we come to the end and as usual we ask for more requests already and here are your gifs and pics.
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Post by Lord Lucan on Jan 20, 2016 2:06:54 GMT -5
I tried to find a record of an ostrich killing a human, which I didn't do, but I found this story about how one almost killed Johnny Cash, accompanied by this picture:
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Post by Hippo on Jan 20, 2016 2:36:23 GMT -5
I've found that if I mean to say something mean about a bird, I'll usually use a unflattering photo. Probably twigged to that when I used the rear end of a swan.
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Post by haysoos on Jan 20, 2016 12:38:54 GMT -5
Ostriches were the subject of the very first animal report I did in Grade 1! I'm not sure about documentation of ostrich attacks on people, but their relatives the emus did once win a war with Australia. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emu_WarFrom a palaeontological and biogeographical perspective, the ratites are quite possibly the most fascinating and puzzling of all birds. The modern ratites: ostriches in Africa, emus in Australia, cassowaries in New Guinea, rheas in South America, kiwis in New Zealand, as well as the very recently extinct moas of New Zealand and elephant bird of Madagascar are all flightless, generally big (other than kiwis), and mean (other than kiwis and moas) birds - that all live or lived in areas that were part of the Cretaceous Gondwanaland continent. It would totally make sense that there was some family of big flightless bird that lived in Gondwana during the early Cretaceous, and as the continent broke apart little pockets of these flightless birds became isolated on their little islands to become the species we see today. Problem is, the earliest ratite fossils come from the Paleocene, long after the continent of Gondwana had already broken apart. So how did they get to these far flung locations? One thought, and one that was espoused by my old Ornithology professor, was that the ratites were a polyphyletic group. That is, the features we associate with these birds - the large body size, flightlessness, long legs, long necks and "decomposed" body feathers - were all convergent characters, that evolved totally separately when different lineages of birds got locked into these island continents. However, this hypothesis totally ignores a number of pretty important skeletal features that are unique to the ratites though, such as their broad, flat sternum, and especially structures in the pelvis and unusual configuration of bones in the jaw and palate. It's also been completely demolished by molecular evidence. Another school subscribed to idea that flightless ratites rafted to the various islands on mats of floating vegetation, and then thrived once they got to the various parts of the ratite world (at least until humans showed up). It's odd how many times these floating rafts of vegetation show up in phylogenetic biogeography. They're used to explain how monkeys and rodents wound up in South America, geckos in America, iguanas across the South Pacific, and pretty much every group of animals now found in Madagascar. Some of these floating hypotheses seem more plausible than others. I can definitely see how giant tortoises, which can float just fine on their own, and survive up to six months without food or water could disperse this way from Africa to South America, and from there to the Galapagos and many other Pacific islands. It seems a bit less likely when you're talking about a giant flightless bird. Terry Pratchett brilliantly lampooned this in "The Last Continent", where it is the major pathway that anything (including Rincewind) reaches the continent of XXXX. Recently, genetic evidence in particular has shown that within the ratites, kiwis are actually closer to elephant birds than to the moas with whom they shared New Zealand. The moas are actually closest to the tinamous - a group of chicken-like birds today found in South America. Tinamous share a number of characteristics with ratites, including the pelvic and jaw characteristics, but most notably, they are not flightless, and they are not large. They're not very good fliers, but they can indeed fly. It's looking more and more like early Cenozoic flying tinamous made their way to these island remnants via their own wings, and once there, they gave rise to multiple groups of big, flightless birds. So the flightless character is indeed convergent, but they're still a monophyletic, Cenozoic lineage. This also saves us from the mind-boggling prospect of there having to have been big, flightless ostrich-like birds all over Gondwanaland during the Early Cretaceous, before the late Cretaceous Struthiomimid dinosaurs evolved. That just seems wrong, somehow.
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Post by moimoi on Jan 20, 2016 12:57:42 GMT -5
Man, I'd love to ride one of those. I like their stern, yet muppety faces. Emus also sound pretty badass.
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Post by songstarliner on Jan 20, 2016 13:32:55 GMT -5
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Post by Lord Lucan on Jan 20, 2016 23:09:57 GMT -5
I'd be interested to know why camelus's geographic distribution constitutes such a long, narrow band of territory. It appears to correspond roughly the Sahel, which is an ecozone, but it's still curious to me that they aren't venturing north or south of it at all. (Assuming this map is accurate).
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Post by Jean-Luc Lemur on Jan 20, 2016 23:49:08 GMT -5
Lord Lucan Well, north is the Sahara—it looks to me that ostriches’ range coresponds best with savanna and dry grasslands—it’s too wet south of the Sahel for ostriches (or rather the plants they feed on).
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Post by haysoos on Jan 21, 2016 9:15:51 GMT -5
I'd be interested to know why camelus's geographic distribution constitutes such a long, narrow band of territory. It appears to correspond roughly the Sahel, which is an ecozone, but it's still curious to me that they aren't venturing north or south of it at all. (Assuming this map is accurate). It should also be noted that historically and prehistorically, the ostrich had a rather wider range. Back as far as the Miocene and Pliocene, their fossils have been found in Moldavia and Ukraine. They lasted until after the last ice age in China. Historically, they were somewhat common across Asia Minor, including Turkey, Persia, and Afghanistan. They were wiped out by the same manly hunters who started blasting the cheetahs out of the same range in the 16th century. As recently as a hundred years ago, they were still found in northern Egypt, Morocco, Saudi Arabia and parts of the Middle East. The modern distribution is largely an artifact of human interaction. Currently there are feral populations in New Mexico, so maybe they'll expand their range again.
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Post by Desert Dweller on Jan 21, 2016 18:21:58 GMT -5
There are feral populations in New Mexico? How wonderful!
I'm pondering how long feral ostriches would survive in Arizona.... a year? Two years?
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Post by haysoos on Jan 21, 2016 23:59:25 GMT -5
There are feral populations in New Mexico? How wonderful! I'm pondering how long feral ostriches would survive in Arizona.... a year? Two years? Depends on which part of Arizona. I don't imagine they'd last long in the Sonoran desert region, but in the chapparal valleys in the southeast, or the plains plateau in the northeast, I imagine they'd do quite well. Anywhere you still find pronghorns would probably be suitable ostrich habitat.
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Post by Desert Dweller on Jan 22, 2016 3:37:37 GMT -5
You'd have to get the state to outlaw shooting them. That was my biggest concern.
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