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Post by dLᵒ on May 12, 2016 3:25:13 GMT -5
So how closely related are they to domestic dogs?
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Post by Hippo on May 12, 2016 3:32:29 GMT -5
So how closely related are they to domestic dogs? Very, both are part of the Canidae family but diverge at the genus level of taxonomy.
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Post by dLᵒ on May 12, 2016 3:34:12 GMT -5
So how closely related are they to domestic dogs? Very, both are part of the Canidae family but diverge at the genus level of taxonomy. is cross breeding possible?
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Post by Hippo on May 12, 2016 3:46:37 GMT -5
Very, both are part of the Canidae family but diverge at the genus level of taxonomy. is cross breeding possible? Genetically, it's possible as there's enough shared to make such a thing work similar to domesticated red foxes. Really should have added something about pet potential, been forgetting about that.
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Post by moimoi on May 12, 2016 13:05:06 GMT -5
What a cool-looking animal. How much overlap is there between the wild dogs' habitat and hyenas' habitat?
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Post by Lord Lucan on May 12, 2016 13:13:42 GMT -5
Yep, just need haysoos to come along and things should be okay. Think I should announce the return? People may have forgotten during the month and one week I wasn't doing this. haysoos! haaaaaaaaysooooooooooos!
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Post by Lord Lucan on May 12, 2016 13:14:52 GMT -5
Hurrah for mass death not perpetrated by humans!
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Post by Hippo on May 12, 2016 13:26:36 GMT -5
What a cool-looking animal. How much overlap is there between the wild dogs' habitat and hyenas' habitat? Enough to make it an option for hyenas to try and pick off their kills. Hyenas are upcoming though, just not until sometime in September 11-05: african wild dogs 18-05: beavers 25-05: hedgehogs 01-06: snow leopards 08-06: squirrels 15-06: galapagos turtles 22-06: aardvarks 29-06: sharks 06-07: raccoons 13-07: tortoises 20-07: orangutans 27-07: tasmanian devils 03-08: spectacled bears 10-08: ferrets 17-08: yellow hyraxes 24-08: shoebills 31-08: crows 07-09: hyenas 14-09: honey badgers 21-09: blue footed boobys
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Post by Jean-Luc Lemur on May 12, 2016 15:22:10 GMT -5
I know these are vicious wild animals but I see that face and I WANT TO PLAY WITH THE PUPPERS!
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Post by haysoos on May 13, 2016 12:41:23 GMT -5
One of my favourite bits from the David Attenborough Planet Earth series is watching the giant pack of painted lycaon racing through the forest. They are stunning, if a little terrifying en masse. They are one of the most carnivorous of the Carnivore clade (which includes everything from the almost exclusively meat-eating polar bear to the almost exclusively plant-eating panda), and their meat-slicing shearing molars form what is characterized as a "hyper-carnassial blade".
One of the characteristics that distinguish the lycaon from members of the genus Canis (dogs, wolves, coyotes) is the lack of a fifth toe, on the front feet - thought to be related to adaptations for running. Although they often referred to as "Cape hunting dogs" or even just "African wild dogs", they are actually not that closely related to domestic dogs, having split from the dog/wolf/coyote lineage probably about 5 million years ago. The painted lycaon is not interfertile with the Canis species. The wild dog name kind of does them an injustice, as they tend to be sort of dismissed as just some kind of pack of feral mongrels or something. The name "dog" just isn't exotic enough to draw that sweet charismatic mega-fauna attention. Even hyaenas get more conservation love than the poor painted lycaon.
It's odd that painted lycaon don't show up more often in folklore and legend. They evolved in about the same time and place as humans, competing against humans for the same type of prey, and using similar tactics of pack hunting and diurnal exhaustion chases. The earliest fossils of Lycaon even show up in Sterkfontein South Africa, a site famous in palaeontology for yielding the first adult Australopithecine. You'd think they'd be a natural to be cast either as rivals, brothers or both in myth and story. But other than a handful of Egyptian myths, and an appearance in the legends of the Dobe !Kung (San) people, they just don't seem to have grabbed a spot in the human psyche. I think they just need a good PR firm to help them out.
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Post by Hippo on May 18, 2016 1:55:02 GMT -5
This week's animal of choice is one for the Canuckistanians as it's the turn of the rotund fuzzball we know as the beaver, as chosen by actual Canadian Person Lord Lucan .
Beavers are large semi-aquatic rodents with two separate species making up the genus Castor to which they belong, the Eurasian beaver with most of its habitat being across Russia and parts and the North American beaver which even with associations with Canada are found throughout North America as well as other smaller introduced populations in Northern Europe. They live mainly in groups of upto 12 within constructions called lodges which are somewhat like icebergs in being rather expansive below the water and are entered from underwater. Being semi-aquatic means much of the beaver's life is spent near and in river and streams and is helped by its ability to stay underwater for up to 15 minutes. While they get a bad rap for felling trees in a seemingly unconstructive and destructive manner, they actually are a keystone species much like the sea otter and help maintain waterways as well as helping out the local biome with their tree felling. Size wise, they're second only to the capybara in overall rodent size measuring around 100cm including tail and weighing around 20kg for the North American beaver with the Eurasian beaver slightly smaller by comparison. Much like the capybara and other rodents, their teeth need to be constantly worn down and happen to be partially orange much like the nutria. Their large broad tails have a relatively small array of uses, mostly for warning of danger through slapping it against the water and as a place for fat reserves during the winter months. Whether or not it uses it to pat down mud remains unknown. Their dams and lodges are feats of engineering with an incredible structural integrity and indication of high beaver intelligence. The main reason for damming rivers is usually to make sure the body of water that their lodges are built in are deep enough to not freeze over but will also flood other areas nearby, usually where they were gnawing, in order to be able to eat. Their main food intake is from trees, specifically the leaves, inner bark and buds of various trees which felling helps to make these broadleaves grow closer to the ground. While they have terrible eyesight, a lot more of their navigation is scent and sound based. They also have webbed feet unlike the capybara but only on their hind legs. Though neither the Eurasian nor the North American beaver are considered endangered (though for a period the Eurasian beaver was classed as Near Threatened generally and was extinct in various countries), they have been trapped for their fur and their testicles and musk glands which apparently had medicinal properties. With the near extinction of Eurasian beavers and noticing their impact on local ecology, many have been reintroduced into places where they used to live and most of these attempts have been very successful. If you're wondering, beavers would make for a difficult pet with their need for trees to gnaw for food and to build large lodges in rivers.
So, here's some pics and if you really want to suggest something, slots are open.
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Post by Ben Grimm on May 18, 2016 7:59:32 GMT -5
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Post by haysoos on May 18, 2016 22:05:51 GMT -5
Although today, beavers are big, wet rodents known for their industrious skills in building dams and lodges, fossil beavers are bit more diverse.
The earliest beavers appear to have been burrowers, digging extensive underground warrens more akin to prairie dogs. Fossils of these beavers are found as far back as the Eocene (about 35 million years ago) in Asia, and early Oligocene (30 million years ago) in Europe and North America.
One of these ancient beavers, Paleocastor dug bizarre corkscrew-shaped burrows that look like someone drilled straight down about six feet. When these weird corkscrews were found, they were initially described as freshwater sponges, or even a bizarre form of tree and nicknamed "devil's corkscrews". It wasn't until fossilized remains of Paleocastor were found in them that they realized these were animal burrows. It appears these Miocene burrowing beavers chewed the burrows into the ground, rather than digging them with their cute little paws.
Another ancient beaver, Castoroides was a little more recent, appearing about 1.4 million years ago and lasting until about 10,000 years ago. This guy was a giant, averaging about 6 feet long, and weighing up to 300 lbs. It appears they liked similar habitat to the surviving beaver, but probably didn't build dams. Their teeth don't seem to be as well adapted for cutting trees as Castor. They may have built lodges though. Big lodges.
The beaver is good choice for the national animal as Canada, as they were incredibly important to the early history of the nation. Pretty much all human activity in Canada from the first colony in 1606 right through until after the American Revolution was centered around trapping beaver and selling their pelts in Europe (where they were largely used for making hats - apparently 17th and 18th Century Europeans really, really liked hats). While the American colonies were building up agriculture and industry, the (mostly French) colonists in what is now Canada were setting up trade networks with the natives to gather beaver pelts from the vast wilderness. Conflict between the fur-trappers in the north and the agricultural colonies in the south led to the French-Indian wars, and helped set the stage for the American Revolution. Really, beavers shaped the history of the entire continent.
In a personal anecdote about beavers, several years ago our Pest Operations folk wound up adopting an orphaned beaver kit. It lived in the pest building, and spent most of its time trying to dam up the flowing water in the automatic flushing urinals. They'd give him new sticks every so often, but he never did defeat those urinals. There's probably some metaphor about Canadian industry there too.
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Post by Lord Lucan on May 19, 2016 14:55:55 GMT -5
Those dams really are great feats of engineering. I love the trio of 'rotund fuzzballs' at the top. Didn't know they stored fat reserves in their tails! I wonder if a beaver that was brought into a house to live would come to see reason at a certain point and not feel the need to dam rivers anymore. The history of the coureurs de bois and voyageurs that haysoos mentions has always interested me. It's always curious to consider the map of the continent before the Treaty of Paris in 1763.
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Post by ganews on May 20, 2016 9:16:43 GMT -5
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Post by moimoi on May 20, 2016 10:52:27 GMT -5
Damn, those soggy motherfuckers are cute. And industrious.
Beavers > Otters > Platypi
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Post by GumTurkeyles on May 20, 2016 13:36:51 GMT -5
Damn, those soggy motherfuckers are cute. And industrious. Beavers > Otters > Platypi <-- Disagree
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Post by moimoi on May 20, 2016 13:41:55 GMT -5
Damn, those soggy motherfuckers are cute. And industrious. Beavers > Otters > Platypi <-- Disagree Sure, but have you ever seen a beaver dressed in a shirt and tie? (If so, I'd also like to see that - I looked) They may be more blue-collar than you fancy otters, but that shouldn't count against them!
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Post by ganews on May 20, 2016 13:48:28 GMT -5
Sure, but have you ever seen a beaver dressed in a shirt and tie? (If so, I'd also like to see that - I looked) They may be more blue-collar than you fancy otters, but that shouldn't count against them!
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Post by moimoi on May 20, 2016 14:01:24 GMT -5
I'm not saying I support their political views; I just think they're cute.
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Post by Hippo on May 20, 2016 14:08:53 GMT -5
The beaver does have a bowtie, that makes him white collar... don't think the content of the comic mattered, just that little thing about it.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2016 17:05:52 GMT -5
One of my favourite bits from the David Attenborough Planet Earth series is watching the giant pack of painted lycaon racing through the forest. They are stunning, if a little terrifying en masse. They are one of the most carnivorous of the Carnivore clade (which includes everything from the almost exclusively meat-eating polar bear to the almost exclusively plant-eating panda), and their meat-slicing shearing molars form what is characterized as a "hyper-carnassial blade". One of the characteristics that distinguish the lycaon from members of the genus Canis (dogs, wolves, coyotes) is the lack of a fifth toe, on the front feet - thought to be related to adaptations for running. Although they often referred to as "Cape hunting dogs" or even just "African wild dogs", they are actually not that closely related to domestic dogs, having split from the dog/wolf/coyote lineage probably about 5 million years ago. The painted lycaon is not interfertile with the Canis species. The wild dog name kind of does them an injustice, as they tend to be sort of dismissed as just some kind of pack of feral mongrels or something. The name "dog" just isn't exotic enough to draw that sweet charismatic mega-fauna attention. Even hyaenas get more conservation love than the poor painted lycaon. It's odd that painted lycaon don't show up more often in folklore and legend. They evolved in about the same time and place as humans, competing against humans for the same type of prey, and using similar tactics of pack hunting and diurnal exhaustion chases. The earliest fossils of Lycaon even show up in Sterkfontein South Africa, a site famous in palaeontology for yielding the first adult Australopithecine. You'd think they'd be a natural to be cast either as rivals, brothers or both in myth and story. But other than a handful of Egyptian myths, and an appearance in the legends of the Dobe !Kung (San) people, they just don't seem to have grabbed a spot in the human psyche. I think they just need a good PR firm to help them out.
so, not anubis? that sounds right according to wkipedia, who go from golden jackal to golden wolf (based on remains mummified i assume), but i do remember speculation in an intro to egyptology course that wild egyptian dogs had the ear size to rival that of anubis; what with the stylization and religiously motivated coloration, it is no wonder the species is still a topic of discussion.
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Post by Lord Lucan on May 22, 2016 17:58:41 GMT -5
I was reading "The Vermont Notebook" by John Ashbery last night and there's a passage therein which mentions beavers! And on the opposite page is an illustration of a beaver! He is in November a beaver on no one’s behalf!
Beavers!
Jewelers say that some lie on the heights. They say that some go unnoticed long gone on the heights. Jewelers say that we can- not long understand what goes on on the heights. They say we are treason to understand what goes on not to understand what goes. They say gals understand more. They say guys understand more. They say guys and gals glued to surprise par- tition understand more. They say all understand more. They say no one understand more. Me and guys prefer going on lazy new heights understanding more. Me and guys go on long road now out of gone understanding your lore. You and gals participate in midsummer frolic in order to understand your. Your behalf. You frolic in midsummer wind on behalf I in November am a beaver on no one’s behalf. Because I am a beaver I see with a beaver’s eyes. I think with a beaver’s mind. I read books on beavers. I see the light as it manifests itself to beavers. I object on behalf of beavers. I am thrown down long canyon into sight just out of sight of beeches. If there were any to crave beeches they might. But there is no one only the long cascade of horses. I lie now at the cypress roots crying. Crying for my lost love my lost appearances as the weeds wave faith- fully volunteering as they can one after the other. The book I read is the dump it is printed in dump letters. As the wind on dump light so the acid red lights of wells of dump leaves. I tell the old story of the dump. I work on the story to be the real story of the dump which is never telling. If it ever was telling it would not be the dump which it is. The dump escapes the true scape of the telling and in so doing it is its own scape - the dump dumped and dumping. As I swear the dump is my sweet inner scape self so do I condone the dump for having nothing left for me only the will to go on dumping creating it out of its evacuation. I will go to the dump. I am to be in the dump. I was permanently the dump and now the dump is me, but I will be permanently me when I am no longer the dump air. The dump air lasts.
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Post by moimoi on May 23, 2016 14:27:55 GMT -5
hey, has anyone requested puffins? If not, I'd like to request puffins.
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Post by Hippo on May 23, 2016 14:32:38 GMT -5
hey, has anyone requested puffins? If not, I'd like to request puffins. Nobody has requested puffins so they're yours!
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Post by moimoi on May 24, 2016 12:33:47 GMT -5
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Post by Hippo on May 25, 2016 0:23:41 GMT -5
In a minor change to the schedule, hedgehogs are next week but this week brings us the snow leopard.
Snow leopards are giant-ass cats mostly resident to the mountainous areas of central and southern Asia. This specific mewmewface has two subspecies with a possible third living in southern Russia. The closest relative was thought to be the leopard but actually has more in common taxonomically with the tiger. Being frozen moutain dwellers, they're not superhuge for a big cat weighing around 40kg on average, measuring around 100cm from nose to tailtip and standing at 55cm at the shoulder. They're stocky, highly fuzzy and have large paws for traction on snow with a lot of their body size made up of their thick furred tails which are used for balance and for warmth due to the fur density and use as a fat reserve much like the beaver. Generally, snow leopards are not social and generally just mosey around the mountain ranges alone unless paired with a mate. Much of their activities are done at dawn and dusk being crepuscular and their lifespans are about cat length with snow leopards living for 15-25 years. Though they're closely related to the tiger, they do not roar but instead are limited to the array of noises your average cat is. Snow leopards are technically carnivores but happen to consume a high amount of vegetation, their general kills will vary depending on their location but will hunt for animals much larger than them such as sheep, horses, camels, much of which is usually domesticated livestock. They'll also take in smaller animals like hares, some birds and lots of different rodents but will also eat other animal's kills. They are also endangered with much of the threat coming from their frozen mountain homes gradually being melted away and affecting their prey's locations so hooray, another victim of anthropogenic endangerment! Last year was actually designated the Year of the Snow Leopard in order to raise awareness and help conserve their ecosystems, their numbers could stand at 10,000 if not considerably lower with around 600 in captivity. Pet viability is somewhat low but if you can handle a tiger, chances are a full-grown snow leopard will be good.
We close stuff out with pictures of this pretty mewmew.
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Post by 🔪 silly buns on May 25, 2016 14:59:49 GMT -5
Could you spot the kitty?
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Post by Lord Lucan on May 25, 2016 15:09:18 GMT -5
I couldn't spot the kitty in the earlier picture however hard I tried.
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Post by songstarliner on May 25, 2016 15:24:51 GMT -5
I couldn't spot the kitty in the earlier picture however hard I tried. Same
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