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Post by moimoi on May 25, 2016 16:11:30 GMT -5
I could! But could you at least spot the antelope?
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Post by heroboy on May 25, 2016 18:00:17 GMT -5
I could! But could you at least spot the antelope? Is she coming down the ladder to her boyfriend's car?
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Post by haysoos on May 26, 2016 11:40:47 GMT -5
In one of our previous installments, I mentioned the Out-of-Asia hypothesis regarding an evolutionary cauldron on the Tibetan Plateau from which many species spread out. Our recent friend the painted lycaon and the closely related dhole are thought to be part of this faunal assemblage, and having its home range smack dab in the center of the cauldron the snow leopard is also ground zero for a lot of the elements of the theory. The earliest fossils that appear to be definitively those of one of our modern group of big cats comes from this region, between 4-6 million years old. This is taken as some to be evidence that the Tibetan Plateau is the evolutionary cradle of the entire big cat lineage, with the snow leopard being the stay-at-home remnant of that lineage. However the morphological links between those fossil felids and the modern snow leopards are pretty tenuous. In general, the fact that the snow leopard (and other intermediate sized kitties like the awesome clouded leopard) are unable to either roar or purr is thought to be evidence that they are sort of intermediary forms between the small mewmewfaces and big mewmewfaces. Snow leopards figure prominently in various legends and myths of the region. The famous 11th-century Tibetan poet and yogi Milarepa is said to have transformed into a snow leopard when he got lost, and so survived until his disciples could find him. In Nepal there are groups that believe that if you kill a snow leopard all of the sins of your past lives get transferred to your current life. Apparently this is considered a desirable thing to have happen, although I'm a little unclear on why. Beliefs like that certainly don't help conservation efforts. There are also beliefs from parts of northern Pakistan that all snow leopards are female, while all otters are male. The male otters mate with female snow leopards, with the baby male otters going back to the water and the female snow leopards cubs heading into the mountains. So this page is essentially just porn for GumTurkeyles
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Post by moimoi on May 26, 2016 12:41:13 GMT -5
There are also beliefs from parts of northern Pakistan that all snow leopards are female, while all otters are male. The male otters mate with female snow leopards, with the baby male otters going back to the water and the female snow leopards cubs heading into the mountains. So this page is essentially just porn for GumTurkeyles I need to hear more about this. Is there a part of northern Pakistan inhabited only by children under 10 years old? (I make fun because I'm Indian) Also, here's a casual otter, for you otter-lovers:
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Post by GumTurkeyles on May 26, 2016 13:27:19 GMT -5
There are also beliefs from parts of northern Pakistan that all snow leopards are female, while all otters are male. The male otters mate with female snow leopards, with the baby male otters going back to the water and the female snow leopards cubs heading into the mountains. So this page is essentially just porn for GumTurkeyles I need to hear more about this. Is there a part of northern Pakistan inhabited only by children under 10 years old? (I make fun because I'm Indian) Also, here's a casual otter, for you otter-lovers: That'd be my unemployed step-brother. I'm pretty sure his dad was a sloth.
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Post by haysoos on May 26, 2016 14:11:19 GMT -5
There are also beliefs from parts of northern Pakistan that all snow leopards are female, while all otters are male. The male otters mate with female snow leopards, with the baby male otters going back to the water and the female snow leopards cubs heading into the mountains. So this page is essentially just porn for GumTurkeyles I need to hear more about this. Is there a part of northern Pakistan inhabited only by children under 10 years old? (I make fun because I'm Indian) Also, here's a casual otter, for you otter-lovers: Apparently the belief comes from the Balti people, of Baltistan. Although they became predominantly Moslem in the 19th century, they infuse their stock of Islam with seasoned millenia-old Tibetan tidbits of culture, belief, and language. That pretty much exhausts my knowledge of the Balti.
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Post by Hippo on Jun 1, 2016 0:42:45 GMT -5
This week's animal is the humble little hedgehog, as requested by songstarliner .
The hedgehog is a group of animals made up of 17 species, mostly found in Asia, Africa and Europe with a small introduced colony in New Zealand. These guys have been around for millions of years, are not related to porcupines or echidnas as they're more closely related to shrews and their collective noun is a "prickle" (that one's for you, MrsLangdonAlger ). Hedgehogs have a large array of sizes going from the small long-eared hedgehog (only weighing 250g) upto the reasonably sized European hedgehog (upwards of 1kg) and can be found in many places. Being teeny tiny little non-rodent creatures they do not last long with 4-7 years being the general average with a few years more if a pet. Most hedgehogs are nocturnal bug eaters, consuming mostly insects and invertebrates like slugs and earthworms but will occasionally take in mushrooms and fruit. Their main predators are usually owls with woodland hedgehogs preyed upon additionally by larger mammals like foxes or ferrets. Their usual and only defence is balling up and hoping their attacker is poked by their spines enough to go away. Other smaller species will simply run away or ball up and attack their enemy if neccesary. Yes, there's domesticated hedgehogs! Usually being an offshoot species of the four-toed hedgehog, they're very common in parts of Africa and Asia though it is illegal in several places outside of those continents to keep one of most species. Trouble also with hedgehogs is that they're really prone to getting cancer and generally if they get it, it's not likely you can get it out because it's a tough thing to remove from a small animal.
So, with the ugly spectre of death hanging over all these small bequilled hedgecreatures, take in these pics!
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Post by Lord Lucan on Jun 1, 2016 12:43:17 GMT -5
Porcupines should show more solidarity with their little spiky friends, taxonomically related or no!
Misread that part. I thought pocupines were eating hedgehogs. I'm relieved!
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Post by Hippo on Jun 1, 2016 12:47:20 GMT -5
Hedgehogs should show more solidarity with their little spiky friends, taxonomically related or no! I guess but this is what a porcupine looks like: Nothing like a hedgehog, about as similar as a echidna is.
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Post by Lord Lucan on Jun 1, 2016 12:50:52 GMT -5
Hippo I guess not, but I confuse them anyway. That porcupine's pretty cute! It's just trying to be the best porcupine it knows how to be!
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Post by Hippo on Jun 1, 2016 12:52:13 GMT -5
Hippo I guess not, but I confuse them anyway. That porcupine's pretty cute! It's just trying to be the best porcupine it knows how to be! Like a spiky capybara.
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Post by Murray the Demonic Skull on Jun 1, 2016 12:53:00 GMT -5
Because it's a small night critter I usually only see hedgehogs when they're dead on the side of the road, hit by a car, which never fails to make me sad.
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Post by songstarliner on Jun 1, 2016 13:23:46 GMT -5
Because it's a small night critter I usually only see hedgehogs when they're dead on the side of the road, hit by a car, which never fails to make me sad. Try harder, damn it! Go out at night and look for them.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2016 14:16:30 GMT -5
same with armadillos
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Post by Ben Grimm on Jun 1, 2016 14:52:06 GMT -5
Dead on its back with its legs in the air on the side of a road is an Armadillo in its natural habitat.
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Post by haysoos on Jun 1, 2016 15:14:54 GMT -5
I must admit, I know almost nothing about the fossil history of hedgehogs. They are quite similar to some species of tenrec. For example, here is a picture of the lesser tenrec: Tenrecs today are found only on Madagascar, and are essentially a living fossil group preserved on the island while their mainland ancestors went extinct. However, there the tenrecs weren't exactly twiddling their evolutionary non-opposable thumbs while in biogeographic isolation. There's an awful lot of diversity and convergent evolution going on in the group. For example, here is a picture of the web-footed tenrec, also known as the otter tenrec: So the fact that the lesser tenrec looks a whole lot like a hedgehog is not necessarily an indication that they are closely related. The Insectivora in general are usually considered "primitive" in that they are most similar to the earliest of placental mammals. However, each of the main lineages of Insectivorans (hedgehogs, shrews, moles) have gone through just as many millions of years of evolution as the other groups, and are in fact pretty dissimilar to each other today, and remarkably specialized for their little niches. Because of this - and because calling a whole Order Insectivora, when not all the members are insectivores, and certainly not all mammals that are insectivores are in Insectivora - they recently have been reclassified into the Order Eulipotyphla, which has the distinction of being the clunkiest name in all of mammalogy. Translated it means "truly fat and blind", which seems unnecessarily cruel, and even less accurate than their old inaccurate name, but useful if you're ever trying to come up with a Latin nickname for your boss.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2016 18:22:13 GMT -5
Dead on its back with its legs in the air on the side of a road is an Armadillo in its natural habitat.
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Post by T. Dohrnii, Immoral Jellyfish on Jun 1, 2016 23:12:25 GMT -5
Dead on its back with its legs in the air on the side of a road is an Armadillo in its natural habitat. Anything with a defense mechanism that involves not moving doesn't do well around cars.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2016 23:53:43 GMT -5
Anything with a defense mechanism that involves not moving doesn't do well around cars. i remember reading in nat'l geo. that they actually jump straight up when startled, which contributes to their impact, often with the underside of trucks, either knocking them out to be hit subsequently, or killed on 1st impact.
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Post by moimoi on Jun 2, 2016 0:02:52 GMT -5
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Post by Hippo on Jun 2, 2016 0:08:36 GMT -5
Hedgehogs are surprisingly susceptible to death.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2016 0:09:27 GMT -5
hedgemoi doesn't like all this talk of hedgehog killing! Â i was talking about armadillos
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Post by moimoi on Jun 2, 2016 0:11:30 GMT -5
hedgemoi doesn't like all this talk of hedgehog killing! i was talking about armadillos Oh, well armadillmoi's got thicker skin
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Post by Desert Dweller on Jun 2, 2016 1:54:43 GMT -5
This thread made me realize that I didn't know what a shrew looks like. Had to go check with my friend Google. Yeah, I would never have been able to identify that animal if I saw it. Apparently I know nothing about shrews.
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Post by Hippo on Jun 2, 2016 2:44:50 GMT -5
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Post by 🔪 silly buns on Jun 2, 2016 7:59:59 GMT -5
This thread made me realize that I didn't know what a shrew looks like. Had to go check with my friend Google. Yeah, I would never have been able to identify that animal if I saw it. Apparently I know nothing about shrews. There's a book on taming them, if you ever wanted one as a pet.
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Post by haysoos on Jun 2, 2016 9:31:39 GMT -5
This thread made me realize that I didn't know what a shrew looks like. Had to go check with my friend Google. Yeah, I would never have been able to identify that animal if I saw it. Apparently I know nothing about shrews. Out of curiosity I just did a Google search for pictures of shrews, and what got returned were about 50% elephant shrews - which are actually a totally different Order, more closely related to elephants & hyrax than true shrews. Some have proposed the name "sengi" for the elephant shrews, in a vain attempt to avoid this confusion. Sengi deserve to be better known, as some of them are unbearably cute:
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Post by heroboy on Jun 2, 2016 10:59:28 GMT -5
This thread made me realize that I didn't know what a shrew looks like. Had to go check with my friend Google. Yeah, I would never have been able to identify that animal if I saw it. Apparently I know nothing about shrews. Out of curiosity I just did a Google search for pictures of shrews, and what got returned were about 50% elephant shrews - which are actually a totally different Order, more closely related to elephants & hyrax than true shrews. Some have proposed the name "sengi" for the elephant shrews, in a vain attempt to avoid this confusion. Sengi deserve to be better known, as some of them are unbearably cute: Is that ... is that Dikachu?
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Post by GumTurkeyles on Jun 2, 2016 11:22:43 GMT -5
Out of curiosity I just did a Google search for pictures of shrews, and what got returned were about 50% elephant shrews - which are actually a totally different Order, more closely related to elephants & hyrax than true shrews. Some have proposed the name "sengi" for the elephant shrews, in a vain attempt to avoid this confusion. Sengi deserve to be better known, as some of them are unbearably cute: Is that ... is that Dikachu? Yes, and he's happy to see you.
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Post by Lord Lucan on Jun 2, 2016 23:16:04 GMT -5
I know we've moved on from beavers, but I came upon this today, which I like a lot. Beavers were evidently determined to be the most visceral, impactful symbol to rouse people to action.
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