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Post by Roy Batty's Pet Dove on Dec 9, 2018 2:26:32 GMT -5
If I were the famous film director Guillermo Del Toro, I would like to explain how I would have written the end of his famous Best Picture winning film The Shape of Water. There is a scene about 3/4 of the way through the film where Science Communist meets with Lenin Joke Communist and Butter Cake Communist, and Science Communist serves Butter Cake Communist a slice of good butter cake. If I had been the famous film director Guillermo Del Toro, Butter Cake Communist would have spent the rest of the film talking with Science Communist about their favorite pastries. This would be a thematically appropriate way to end the film, because Del Toro's whole gimmick is how we use fantasy and stories with unrealistic happy endings to distract us from the unrelenting loneliness and horror of real life, and my hypothetical ending to the film (like the actual ending to the film) imagines just such a fantasy because 1) in my version nobody dies, but also more importantly 2) my version imagines a mythical version of the 1950s C.E. where people ate real dessert that wasn't just like a disgusting pile of jello or a shitty key lime pie that you put in your fridge or frito pie or ribbon candy, or just like pure malt or whatever.
Would this be as good an ending to the famous Best Picture winning film The Shape of Water as the so called "real" ending to the film? Well, that depends on your definition of "good". According to most people's definition the answer would be "probably not". But the quality of a film is purely subjective, so there's really no way of saying which would have been the better ending.
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Post by Hachiman on Dec 9, 2018 23:25:32 GMT -5
You know, don't even get me started on this and the Kelvin Timeline. Those aliens should be unaffected by the changed timeline since they came from outside the Federation. They are totally coming to meet some Humpback whales and the Nu-Trek crew will be totally unprepared. This is actually a bone I have to pick with most alternate reality fiction: changing the timeline doesn't affects acts of god or nature or anything happening to others out of communication range.
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Post by Desert Dweller on Dec 10, 2018 1:06:47 GMT -5
There is something greatly amusing to me that the consensus from Oscar-watchers is that the narrative for 2018 Oscar Best Picture is "It's totally unpredictable!" and "No clear front runner!" while simultaneously "Roma" is completely dominating Critics awards. I'm really glad that I long ago understood and accepted that the Oscars have no connection to film quality. This is going to make this year of Oscar-watching incredibly fun.
Got a movie gift card from a friend this week. I also unexpectedly do not have to perform with the Symphony at all next weekend. Unplanned free weekend! Woooo! Therefore next weekend I'm going to try to see "The Favourite", "Green Book" and the Japanese film "Shoplifters". The latter might be a bit difficult due to the restricted number of showings, but I'm going to try to fit it in. If I have time in the week following, I will try to get to "Can You Ever Forgive Me?". Going to try to get to as many Oscar contenders as I can. This is such a fun Oscar-watch year that I may try my hand at a prediction pool.
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Post by oppy all along on Dec 10, 2018 3:44:08 GMT -5
There is something greatly amusing to me that the consensus from Oscar-watchers is that the narrative for 2018 Oscar Best Picture is "It's totally unpredictable!" and "No clear front runner!" while simultaneously "Roma" is completely dominating Critics awards. I'm really glad that I long ago understood and accepted that the Oscars have no connection to film quality. This is going to make this year of Oscar-watching incredibly fun. Got a movie gift card from a friend this week. I also unexpectedly do not have to perform with the Symphony at all next weekend. Unplanned free weekend! Woooo! Therefore next weekend I'm going to try to see "The Favourite", "Green Book" and the Japanese film "Shoplifters". The latter might be a bit difficult due to the restricted number of showings, but I'm going to try to fit it in. If I have time in the week following, I will try to get to "Can You Ever Forgive Me?". Going to try to get to as many Oscar contenders as I can. This is such a fun Oscar-watch year that I may try my hand at a prediction pool. It's frustrating, I actually want to get into Oscar-watch but the release dates in Australia are all screwed up. All the Oscar-worthy movies get saved for a Christmas holidays release at best, or wait until January/February and hope for some Oscar buzz to fuel their international box office. Or like Roman J. Israel, Esq. it may be hoping for Oscar buzz, then it underperforms and doesn't get an Australian release at all. Looking at the movies you listed, The Favourite doesn't come to Australia until after Christmas, Green Book is at late January, and Shoplifters is 'how do you feel about driving to the other side of the city to visit the one theatre in the entire state that is airing this movie'. tl;dr, I will be Oscar-watching through a series of illicit websites.
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Post by Desert Dweller on Dec 11, 2018 1:20:13 GMT -5
It's frustrating, I actually want to get into Oscar-watch but the release dates in Australia are all screwed up. All the Oscar-worthy movies get saved for a Christmas holidays release at best, or wait until January/February and hope for some Oscar buzz to fuel their international box office. Or like Roman J. Israel, Esq. it may be hoping for Oscar buzz, then it underperforms and doesn't get an Australian release at all. Looking at the movies you listed, The Favourite doesn't come to Australia until after Christmas, Green Book is at late January, and Shoplifters is 'how do you feel about driving to the other side of the city to visit the one theatre in the entire state that is airing this movie'. tl;dr, I will be Oscar-watching through a series of illicit websites.
Before I got to the tl:dr part I was going to suggest that there are definitely some websites that will be showing the big Oscar movies.
If it makes you feel better, I used to live in a small town in this same state and none of these movies would ever play within 100 miles of there. I couldn't see these types of films until they came on on DVD and could be rented at Blockbuster. (Woo! I'm old!)
Also, "Shoplifters" is probably only playing at one theatre in this state, too. As of this week, that theatre happens to be 6 miles from my apartment. However, starting Friday it moves to one 20 miles from here. The trade-off is that it is getting more showtimes, so it might be easier to fit it in. There look to be some high quality foreign films this year. I'm hoping to get to a lot of them over the next month.
It's a little strange that "The Favourite" is opening so late there. That isn't even an American movie. That stinks that it opens so late there.
If we take a look at the 10 most likely nominees for Best Picture: Black Panther BlacKkKlansman The Favourite First Man Green Book If Beale Street Could Talk Mary Poppins Returns Roma A Star Is Born Vice
Black Panther, BlacKkKlansman, First Man, and A Star is Born came out long ago. Green Book opened a few weeks ago. The Favourite and Roma are only playing limited release currently, but Roma is released worldwide on Netflix on Friday. Mary Poppins opens 12/19, and Beale Street and Vice open on Christmas.
The other films that would remotely have a chance would be smaller films that have already been released, like A Quiet Place, First Reformed, Eighth Grade, Leave No Trace, etc.
So, I could conceivably see every contender by New Year's! Not counting Foreign Film and Documentary, of course. And certainly not counting films that will produce acting or tech nominations that will not also be Best Picture nominees.
The problem I have is that I am very much uninterested in several of these films. "Green Book" is one that I am not too keen to see, but it is considered such a strong contender that I'm going to go, I guess.
Like many years, I am much more interested in the Documentary and Foreign Film contenders. These two Oscar categories could be exceptionally strong this year. I'll bet the shortlist of 7-9 contenders the Academy will release will be stronger in each of these categories than the final Best Picture nominee list will be. The final nominees in these categories may each be a better film than whatever wins Best Picture. I'm assuming Roma isn't going to win Best Picture, since that would be pretty insane for the Oscars.
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Post by Hachiman on Dec 11, 2018 20:18:40 GMT -5
It's frustrating, I actually want to get into Oscar-watch but the release dates in Australia are all screwed up. All the Oscar-worthy movies get saved for a Christmas holidays release at best, or wait until January/February and hope for some Oscar buzz to fuel their international box office. Or like Roman J. Israel, Esq. it may be hoping for Oscar buzz, then it underperforms and doesn't get an Australian release at all. Looking at the movies you listed, The Favourite doesn't come to Australia until after Christmas, Green Book is at late January, and Shoplifters is 'how do you feel about driving to the other side of the city to visit the one theatre in the entire state that is airing this movie'. tl;dr, I will be Oscar-watching through a series of illicit websites. I'll be watching right there with you since it is the same here with weird release dates. There are movies I have seen years after their US release because the process from theater screening to home video to streaming is just glacially slow for each stage. On the matter of Shoplifters, I hope it wins big time. There are other movies I want to win more, but Japan has completely ignored this movie and the Palme d'Or it recieved, which is startling because the media here loves nothing better than to crow when a Japanese person wins on the World Stage, regardless of how trivial. But there is nothing about Shoplifters because it shows the bad side of society here, which you aren't supposed to talk about. A lot of Kore-Eda's filmography, which deals with family dysfunction and how Japanese cultural norms play a part, is treated similarly. But if it gets an Academy award? Man, they'll have no choice but to talk about the movie and give some attention to the elephant in the room.
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Post by Desert Dweller on Dec 12, 2018 1:04:26 GMT -5
It's frustrating, I actually want to get into Oscar-watch but the release dates in Australia are all screwed up. All the Oscar-worthy movies get saved for a Christmas holidays release at best, or wait until January/February and hope for some Oscar buzz to fuel their international box office. Or like Roman J. Israel, Esq. it may be hoping for Oscar buzz, then it underperforms and doesn't get an Australian release at all. Looking at the movies you listed, The Favourite doesn't come to Australia until after Christmas, Green Book is at late January, and Shoplifters is 'how do you feel about driving to the other side of the city to visit the one theatre in the entire state that is airing this movie'. tl;dr, I will be Oscar-watching through a series of illicit websites. I'll be watching right there with you since it is the same here with weird release dates. There are movies I have seen years after their US release because the process from theater screening to home video to streaming is just glacially slow for each stage. On the matter of Shoplifters, I hope it wins big time. There are other movies I want to win more, but Japan has completely ignored this movie and the Palme d'Or it recieved, which is startling because the media here loves nothing better than to crow when a Japanese person wins on the World Stage, regardless of how trivial. But there is nothing about Shoplifters because it shows the bad side of society here, which you aren't supposed to talk about. A lot of Kore-Eda's filmography, which deals with family dysfunction and how Japanese cultural norms play a part, is treated similarly. But if it gets an Academy award? Man, they'll have no choice but to talk about the movie and give some attention to the elephant in the room.
I am really excited to see "Shoplifters". It is interesting to hear that it has been ignored in Japan. It is Japan's official selection for Oscar consideration, so at least whoever decides that must believe it's good. And that isn't automatic even for films that get great reviews at international film festivals. I know I've done Oscar-watching in a couple years where an acclaimed film gets shelved by its country's board which selects the Oscar submission.
Do you think it would generate discussion if it gets nominated but doesn't win? That category is looking pretty stacked with the potential to have "Roma", "Cold War" and "Burning" in it, along with "Shoplifters".
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Post by oppy all along on Dec 12, 2018 5:14:59 GMT -5
Oscar-Watch 2019I assume most people aren't following this as closely as I am, because you have lives and priorities and enjoy movies as movies rather than horses in a race. So here are all the things I'm looking at are going. Oddschecker has a site that compares the odds various bookies are giving for the Oscar races. It's not a perfect comparison, but if you judge by who's in the most markets and who's getting the shortest odds and you get the general idea that A Star Is Born and Roma are the hot favourites with Green Book in third. You also see that one bookie is offering odds for Mortal Engines to win Best Picture which... okay, if you're putting actual money on that you deserve to lose it. If you look at some of the other races, A Star Is Born and Roma are up there again with Best Director, A Star is Born and Vice in Best Actor, A Star Is Born comfortably ahead of the pack in Best Actress, and BlacKkKlansman and Roma are leading their respective Screenplay awards. Gold Derby has pretty much the same thing going - A Star is Born and Roma splitting most awards. It currently has Roma losing out on Best Original Screenplay to The Favourite though, by a hair. Rotten Tomatoes and Metacritic have aggregate award tallies for the events leading up to the Oscars, and they point to a good night for Roma. Metacritic also has a running tally for critics top 10 lists and, yup, Roma. tl;dr: Long way to go, but keep an eye out for Roma and A Star Is Born.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2018 18:28:49 GMT -5
Have I found the most hilariously pompous IMDB actor biography ever? Encountered it while looking up Michael Sarrazin to recall where I knew him from (he was one of the Stamper clan in Sometimes a Great Notion). "Owning a pair of the most incredibly soulful and searching eyes you'll ever find, Michael Sarrazin's poetic drifters crept into Hollywood unobtrusively on little cat's feet, but it didn't take long for him to make his mark. Quiet yet uninhibited, the lean, laconic, fleshy-lipped actor with the intriguingly faraway look and curiously sunken features enhanced a number of quality offbeat fare without ever creating too much of a fuss. While Hollywood couldn't quite pigeonhole him, they also weren't sure what to do with him."
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Post by kitchin on Dec 12, 2018 19:57:56 GMT -5
Have I found the most hilariously pompous IMDB actor biography ever? Encountered it while looking up Michael Sarrazin to recall where I knew him from (he was one of the Stamper clan in Sometimes a Great Notion). "Owning a pair of the most incredibly soulful and searching eyes you'll ever find, Michael Sarrazin's poetic drifters crept into Hollywood unobtrusively on little cat's feet, but it didn't take long for him to make his mark. Quiet yet uninhibited, the lean, laconic, fleshy-lipped actor with the intriguingly faraway look and curiously sunken features enhanced a number of quality offbeat fare without ever creating too much of a fuss. While Hollywood couldn't quite pigeonhole him, they also weren't sure what to do with him." Speaking of publicists, etc., (or maybe he wrote it himself), this talent manager who will likely cost disgraced CBS boss Les Moonves $120m is a classic. I've met the likes of him, a bit, when I was out there. www.latimes.com/business/hollywood/la-fi-ct-marv-dauer-leslie-moonves-cbs-20181205-story.html He represents the C-listers, is a million years old, and apparently has been vilified. The wonderful KCRW show/podcast The Business recalled Marv the talent manager more or less forcing Les Moonves and mate Julie Chen to attend a low level Hollywood party, James Woods included. The amazing thing is Moonves's story got so much worse last week, and that he had minted gold at CBS, turning supposedly doomed network TV into a money machine by ignoring the young demographic and selling well-produced stories to oldsters. But he was as bad as many and got very desperate at trying to make Marv go away.
There's another good podcast out of the West Coast that fact-checks the classic Hollywood Babylon stories by Kenneth Anger, full of monstrous lies about old Hollywood - Mary Astor, etc. - built on nuggets of truth. There was a syndicated TV series that dramatized these hoary old stories in the 1990's, but the podcast is better. "You Must Remember This" it's called.
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Post by Nudeviking on Dec 12, 2018 20:53:51 GMT -5
It's frustrating, I actually want to get into Oscar-watch but the release dates in Australia are all screwed up. All the Oscar-worthy movies get saved for a Christmas holidays release at best, or wait until January/February and hope for some Oscar buzz to fuel their international box office. Or like Roman J. Israel, Esq. it may be hoping for Oscar buzz, then it underperforms and doesn't get an Australian release at all. Looking at the movies you listed, The Favourite doesn't come to Australia until after Christmas, Green Book is at late January, and Shoplifters is 'how do you feel about driving to the other side of the city to visit the one theatre in the entire state that is airing this movie'. tl;dr, I will be Oscar-watching through a series of illicit websites. I'll be watching right there with you since it is the same here with weird release dates. There are movies I have seen years after their US release because the process from theater screening to home video to streaming is just glacially slow for each stage. On the matter of Shoplifters, I hope it wins big time. There are other movies I want to win more, but Japan has completely ignored this movie and the Palme d'Or it recieved, which is startling because the media here loves nothing better than to crow when a Japanese person wins on the World Stage, regardless of how trivial. But there is nothing about Shoplifters because it shows the bad side of society here, which you aren't supposed to talk about. A lot of Kore-Eda's filmography, which deals with family dysfunction and how Japanese cultural norms play a part, is treated similarly. But if it gets an Academy award? Man, they'll have no choice but to talk about the movie and give some attention to the elephant in the room. It seems kind of similar to Korean movies that win awards or get praise overseas. Those movies are generally seen as "weird," or "gross," since they often focus on extreme violence or weird sex/religious stuff and thus are not particularly successful domestically leading to them rarely being talked about. On the other hand, a random Korean actor showing up in a bit part in G.I. Joe: The Movie (That Isn't G.I. Joe: The Movie: The Cartoon) will get a ton of press.
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Post by Hachiman on Dec 12, 2018 21:43:07 GMT -5
Yeah, its a weird balancing act here. They want things to be recognized, but only things that make Japan look really good. And even then, the award recipient isn't allowed to enjoy it too much by doing something like capitalizing on their new recognition to forge a career abroad and take expensive vacations, and if they won their award due to support and opportunities available abroad, then they aren't allowed to comment on that either. I always feel bad for when these people go abroad and win something only to come right back immediately for the press tour. Like, "this person won this award/tournament in Italy, and they weren't even allowed a day or two to rest, eat a pizza, and maybe look around?"
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Post by Desert Dweller on Dec 14, 2018 19:43:22 GMT -5
Oscar-Watch 2019I assume most people aren't following this as closely as I am, because you have lives and priorities and enjoy movies as movies rather than horses in a race. So here are all the things I'm looking at are going. Oddschecker has a site that compares the odds various bookies are giving for the Oscar races. It's not a perfect comparison, but if you judge by who's in the most markets and who's getting the shortest odds and you get the general idea that A Star Is Born and Roma are the hot favourites with Green Book in third. You also see that one bookie is offering odds for Mortal Engines to win Best Picture which... okay, if you're putting actual money on that you deserve to lose it. If you look at some of the other races, A Star Is Born and Roma are up there again with Best Director, A Star is Born and Vice in Best Actor, A Star Is Born comfortably ahead of the pack in Best Actress, and BlacKkKlansman and Roma are leading their respective Screenplay awards. Gold Derby has pretty much the same thing going - A Star is Born and Roma splitting most awards. It currently has Roma losing out on Best Original Screenplay to The Favourite though, by a hair. Rotten Tomatoes and Metacritic have aggregate award tallies for the events leading up to the Oscars, and they point to a good night for Roma. Metacritic also has a running tally for critics top 10 lists and, yup, Roma. tl;dr: Long way to go, but keep an eye out for Roma and A Star Is Born.
I don't see "Roma" winning Screenplay. If it does happen on Oscar night, I'd be more inclined to think it would be winning Best Picture. The film is not really an Oscar-type of screenplay, which tends to reward sharp dialogue or interesting structure. "Roma" has minimal, naturalistic dialogue and is structured as a year-in-the-life set of vignettes. The camera framing and movement is doing a large (and noticeable) percentage of the storytelling. The fact that it is being mentioned as a contender in Screenplay is merely reflective of its status as a high profile Best Picture contender. It is a much more likely winner in Cinematography and Director. If the Academy voters really do go crazy for it, and sweep it through to the Best Picture win, then I could see it winning in Screenplay. But that seems unlikely. I could honestly see "Roma" winning Best Picture without winning Best Screenplay.
(I'd actually love to see "Eighth Grade" nominated in Screenplay. Really rooting for that.)
I am seeing "The Favourite" tomorrow afternoon and "Green Book" on either Sunday or Monday. I'm also going back to the theatre to see "Roma" again tomorrow night. And I hope to get to "BlacKkKlansman" sometime this week. I am trying to find the site with the cheapest streaming option, since "Roma" and "The Favourite" are both going to be expensive to see in the theatre. May try Redbox, if it comes to it.
I'd predict "A Star is Born" to win. It is just the type of movie that usually wins Oscars. A decent movie about the entertainment industry, with strong lead acting performances. (Though I'd still go with Alfonso Cuaron for Best Director.)
Have also officially bought tickets for "Shoplifters" on Sunday. I'd like to thank the local major theatre chain for moving "Shoplifters" out of the Arthouse which charges $14 for any movie at any time of day, and moving it into a regular multiplex which has matinees for $8.50. Definitely worth the extra 7 mile drive.
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Post by Desert Dweller on Dec 14, 2018 19:44:15 GMT -5
I'll be watching right there with you since it is the same here with weird release dates. There are movies I have seen years after their US release because the process from theater screening to home video to streaming is just glacially slow for each stage. On the matter of Shoplifters, I hope it wins big time. There are other movies I want to win more, but Japan has completely ignored this movie and the Palme d'Or it recieved, which is startling because the media here loves nothing better than to crow when a Japanese person wins on the World Stage, regardless of how trivial. But there is nothing about Shoplifters because it shows the bad side of society here, which you aren't supposed to talk about. A lot of Kore-Eda's filmography, which deals with family dysfunction and how Japanese cultural norms play a part, is treated similarly. But if it gets an Academy award? Man, they'll have no choice but to talk about the movie and give some attention to the elephant in the room. It seems kind of similar to Korean movies that win awards or get praise overseas. Those movies are generally seen as "weird," or "gross," since they often focus on extreme violence or weird sex/religious stuff and thus are not particularly successful domestically leading to them rarely being talked about. On the other hand, a random Korean actor showing up in a bit part in G.I. Joe: The Movie (That Isn't G.I. Joe: The Movie: The Cartoon) will get a ton of press.
So that makes me curious. How'd the Korean press treat "Burning"? That's film that is described as "weird" even in glowing reviews.
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Post by oppy all along on Dec 14, 2018 20:22:12 GMT -5
I don't see "Roma" winning Screenplay. If it does happen on Oscar night, I'd be more inclined to think it would be winning Best Picture. The film is not really an Oscar-type of screenplay, which tends to reward sharp dialogue or interesting structure. "Roma" has minimal, naturalistic dialogue and is structured as a year-in-the-life set of vignettes. The camera framing and movement is doing a large (and noticeable) percentage of the storytelling. The fact that it is being mentioned as a contender in Screenplay is merely reflective of its status as a high profile Best Picture contender. It is a much more likely winner in Cinematography and Director. If the Academy voters really do go crazy for it, and sweep it through to the Best Picture win, then I could see it winning in Screenplay. But that seems unlikely. I could honestly see "Roma" winning Best Picture without winning Best Screenplay. (I'd actually love to see "Eighth Grade" nominated in Screenplay. Really rooting for that.) I am seeing "The Favourite" tomorrow afternoon and "Green Book" on either Sunday or Monday. I'm also going back to the theatre to see "Roma" again tomorrow night. And I hope to get to "BlacKkKlansman" sometime this week. I am trying to find the site with the cheapest streaming option, since "Roma" and "The Favourite" are both going to be expensive to see in the theatre. May try Redbox, if it comes to it. I'd predict "A Star is Born" to win. It is just the type of movie that usually wins Oscars. A decent movie about the entertainment industry, with strong lead acting performances. (Though I'd still go with Alfonso Cuaron for Best Director.) Have also officially bought tickets for "Shoplifters" on Sunday. I'd like to thank the local major theatre chain for moving "Shoplifters" out of the Arthouse which charges $14 for any movie at any time of day, and moving it into a regular multiplex which has matinees for $8.50. Definitely worth the extra 7 mile drive. Fingers crossed for Eighth Grade for anything as well. Eighth Grade and Leave No Trace are my two very close picks for best movies of the year but they're both seemingly out of the major awards discussion. Elsie Fisher and Thomasin McKenzie are young though, they've got a long career ahead of them to win well-deserved Actress Oscars. This weekend I'm catching a few more movies to catch up. The Hate U Give, The Miseducation of Cameron Post, Private Life, and Roma. Roma's the big one, but the others are critically acclaimed so there's at least a chance they get a surprise nomination somewhere. *taps foot waiting for a good screener of the Oscar contenders in theatre overseas that aren't available here* (BlacKkKlansman is available online if you're not averse to some piracy) Sorry, I couldn't hear you negging A Star Is Born over the sound of listening to the A Star is Born soundtrack for the twentieth time. The only reason I'm not mad about Elsie and Thomasin being snubbed is because Lady Gaga is getting the Best Actress award she deserves (if everything goes catastrophically wrong there's always Best Original Song as the safety school) and will be one step closer to that EGOT.
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Post by Nudeviking on Dec 14, 2018 21:00:43 GMT -5
It seems kind of similar to Korean movies that win awards or get praise overseas. Those movies are generally seen as "weird," or "gross," since they often focus on extreme violence or weird sex/religious stuff and thus are not particularly successful domestically leading to them rarely being talked about. On the other hand, a random Korean actor showing up in a bit part in G.I. Joe: The Movie (That Isn't G.I. Joe: The Movie: The Cartoon) will get a ton of press.
So that makes me curious. How'd the Korean press treat "Burning"? That's film that is described as "weird" even in glowing reviews.
I don't know how the press reacted in terms of criticism (all the articles I could find in the local press about it were just about how popular it was at Cannes or other film festivals) but I don't think it did particularly well at the box office. I think 40 or 50,000 saw it in its opening week nationwide and don't recall it being in the theaters that long. As a point of comparison the highest grossing domestic film of the year (With the Gods - Human Connection [or whatever they translated it into in English]) had an opening day of 1.2 million viewers and Deadpool 2 (which opened the same week as Burning) had like a quarter of a million people see it in the same weeklong period.
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Post by Desert Dweller on Dec 15, 2018 17:44:10 GMT -5
So that makes me curious. How'd the Korean press treat "Burning"? That's film that is described as "weird" even in glowing reviews.
I don't know how the press reacted in terms of criticism (all the articles I could find in the local press about it were just about how popular it was at Cannes or other film festivals) but I don't think it did particularly well at the box office. I think 40 or 50,000 saw it in its opening week nationwide and don't recall it being in the theaters that long. As a point of comparison the highest grossing domestic film of the year (With the Gods - Human Connection [or whatever they translated it into in English]) had an opening day of 1.2 million viewers and Deadpool 2 (which opened the same week as Burning) had like a quarter of a million people see it in the same weeklong period.
So, it's basically the same as here! It isn't like the American audience runs out to see art films. Good to know!
I read on an Oscar blog recently that no Korean film has ever been nominated for Foreign Language film at the Oscars. That was surprising. Wonder if it will happen this year.
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Post by Desert Dweller on Dec 18, 2018 3:49:59 GMT -5
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Oscar shortlists were released today in a slew of categories. All three Short Film categories, Visual Effects, both Music categories, Makeup/Hairstyling, Documentary Feature and Foreign Language. Let's look at the two of these which greatly interest me.
First up, Documentary Feature, which is going to be a dogfight this year. There are too many high profile contenders. At least a couple popular documentaries are going to be left out.
DOCUMENTARY FEATURE “Charm City” “Communion” “Crime + Punishment” “Dark Money” “The Distant Barking of Dogs” “Free Solo” “Hale County This Morning, This Evening” “Minding the Gap” “Of Fathers and Sons” “On Her Shoulders” “RBG” “Shirkers” “The Silence of Others” “Three Identical Strangers” “Won’t You Be My Neighbor"
Cannot even begin to predict the nominations from this group. I'm still trying to work my way through all of these. I'm glad to see several are available on streaming services.
Next up we have Foreign Language Film. Always an interesting category. Here we have five films selected by the normal nominating committee and then 3 which were passed through by an Academy special committee, which exists because the normal committee was snubbing too many high profile international films.
FOREIGN LANGUAGE FILM Colombia, “Birds of Passage” Denmark, “The Guilty” Germany, “Never Look Away” Japan, “Shoplifters” Kazakhstan, “Ayka” Lebanon, “Capernaum” Mexico, “Roma” Poland, “Cold War” South Korea, “Burning”
Everything went as expected here. I'll guess "Roma", "Cold War" and "Shoplifters" are safe bets for the final nomination. Will be interesting to see which two of the others end up in the final nominees.
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Post by Hachiman on Dec 19, 2018 3:05:14 GMT -5
I watched "Tomorrowland" recently and probably the biggest problem I personally had with it was this idea that this amazing place would only be open to a select few STEM-minded people. And this left a pretty terrible taste in my mouth. What about those of us who aren't scientists and engineers? Are we not included in this technocratic utopia? There's no writers or artists or teachers or chefs? No regular people who just believe that the world could be better and are willing to work to make that happen? Seriously, this probably upset me more than any of the other problems in this movie. Its like the movie was telling me, "Hey normie! Screw you, you're not invited! "
At least the Utopia of Star Trek lets on that there's plenty of regular people just trying to do their best and its not just a society of Wesleys.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2018 13:22:23 GMT -5
Deadwood: The Movie Film For Theaters is in production! Mrs B and I should really finish watching the original show before this comes out. Here are some photos of Angry Sheriff (now possibly Angry Marshall?) and Angry Businessman!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2018 17:47:18 GMT -5
The new Hellboy trailer was released, and people are mad, and are being dumb about it.
All I heard so far while this Hellboy has been in development, "This looks dumb and gritty it will be no fun". The trailer drops and it is actually pretty upbeat so now it is like "this is stupid and corny".
Ian McShane is in John Hurt's role this go round. Literally what some are saying "Ian McShane isn't as good" "Ian McShane lacks the gravitas". Yeah, Ian fucking McShane lacking gravitas? That's just silly.
Also, soooooooo many complaints about this not being Ron Perlman. Guess what, he is 68. Maybe having him be the main character in an action movie isn't the best idea. As much as I love the guy and he was pretty damn great in the role. It is kinda dumb to expect him to still be doing this near 70 and beyond.
It sucks we never got Hellboy 3, but it is time to move on. There is definitely a lot more Hellboy stuff that can be touched upon, and you know what? One can easily do worse than getting David Harbour and Ian McShane to be two of your main characters.
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Post by Hachiman on Dec 19, 2018 20:38:16 GMT -5
The new Hellboy trailer was released, and people are mad, and are being dumb about it. All I heard so far while this Hellboy has been in development, "This looks dumb and gritty it will be no fun". The trailer drops and it is actually pretty upbeat so now it is like "this is stupid and corny". Ian McShane is in John Hurt's role this go round. Literally what some are saying "Ian McShane isn't as good" "Ian McShane lacks the gravitas". Yeah, Ian fucking McShane lacking gravitas? That's just silly. Also, soooooooo many complaints about this not being Ron Perlman. Guess what, he is 68. Maybe having him be the main character in an action movie isn't the best idea. As much as I love the guy and he was pretty damn great in the role. It is kinda dumb to expect him to still be doing this near 70 and beyond. It sucks we never got Hellboy 3, but it is time to move on. There is definitely a lot more Hellboy stuff that can be touched upon, and you know what? One can easily do worse than getting David Harbour and Ian McShane to be two of your main characters. Its not like Professor Bruttenholm was a super established character in the comics* either so this is an odd reaction. I mean, I love the Hellboy movies and am sad we never got a third, but its not like the reboot is the end of the world since we get more Hellboy and there's still tons of stories to tell. I just hope they lean more into Gothic horror in this new one. *He's only in a few panels of the very first comic and then we only meet him again as a younger man in some of the other B.P.R.D. stories, which came out after the first movie.
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Post by pairesta on Dec 20, 2018 15:11:37 GMT -5
Well predictably, Welcome to Marwen is getting terrible reviews and its box office is sure to follow suit. Is it just me or has this holiday season been unusually thick with bombs? Nutcracker, Robin Hood, Mortal Engines, and now this. And they booted one of the other surefire bombs--Alita: Battle Angel--to Valentine's.
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Post by Floyd D Barber on Dec 20, 2018 21:00:44 GMT -5
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Post by Roy Batty's Pet Dove on Dec 20, 2018 21:31:40 GMT -5
The new Hellboy trailer was released, and people are mad, and are being dumb about it. All I heard so far while this Hellboy has been in development, "This looks dumb and gritty it will be no fun". The trailer drops and it is actually pretty upbeat so now it is like "this is stupid and corny". Ian McShane is in John Hurt's role this go round. Literally what some are saying "Ian McShane isn't as good" "Ian McShane lacks the gravitas". Yeah, Ian fucking McShane lacking gravitas? That's just silly. Also, soooooooo many complaints about this not being Ron Perlman. Guess what, he is 68. Maybe having him be the main character in an action movie isn't the best idea. As much as I love the guy and he was pretty damn great in the role. It is kinda dumb to expect him to still be doing this near 70 and beyond. It sucks we never got Hellboy 3, but it is time to move on. There is definitely a lot more Hellboy stuff that can be touched upon, and you know what? One can easily do worse than getting David Harbour and Ian McShane to be two of your main characters. Counterpoint, Matt: They also didn't need to reboot the series again. Also the trailer looks like dogshit. Whoever owns the rights to The Hell Boy obviously just saw the garbage film franchise Dead-Pool just vomit up some bottom of the barrel hacky superhero jokes and decided they wanted in on the very lucrative market for terrible bottom of the barrel comic franchise jokes. I like the first two Hellboy movies, but I haven't seen them in years and have no real investment in the character or comics. I didn't even know until a couple of days ago that they were rebooting the films like three years after the last one or whatever. I just think it looks like shit and that it's clearly trying to capitalize on the very bad movie franchise Dead-Pool.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2018 22:23:07 GMT -5
The new Hellboy trailer was released, and people are mad, and are being dumb about it. All I heard so far while this Hellboy has been in development, "This looks dumb and gritty it will be no fun". The trailer drops and it is actually pretty upbeat so now it is like "this is stupid and corny". Ian McShane is in John Hurt's role this go round. Literally what some are saying "Ian McShane isn't as good" "Ian McShane lacks the gravitas". Yeah, Ian fucking McShane lacking gravitas? That's just silly. Also, soooooooo many complaints about this not being Ron Perlman. Guess what, he is 68. Maybe having him be the main character in an action movie isn't the best idea. As much as I love the guy and he was pretty damn great in the role. It is kinda dumb to expect him to still be doing this near 70 and beyond. It sucks we never got Hellboy 3, but it is time to move on. There is definitely a lot more Hellboy stuff that can be touched upon, and you know what? One can easily do worse than getting David Harbour and Ian McShane to be two of your main characters. Counterpoint, Matt: They also didn't need to reboot the series again. Also the trailer looks like dogshit. Whoever owns the rights to The Hell Boy obviously just saw the garbage film franchise Dead-Pool just vomit up some bottom of the barrel hacky superhero jokes and decided they wanted in on the very lucrative market for terrible bottom of the barrel comic franchise jokes. I like the first two Hellboy movies, but I haven't seen them in years and have no real investment in the character or comics. I didn't even know until a couple of days ago that they were rebooting the films like three years after the last one or whatever. I just think it looks like shit and that it's clearly trying to capitalize on the very bad movie franchise Dead-Pool. Actually, a new hellboy film would be cool because Hellboy is an interesting character with a lot of stuff that has gone unexplored in adaptations and rebooting it is really the only way because of Perlman being too old, and the first hellboy films were very much a GDT thing. The director and star have also gone on record saying this film will also lean more into the horror of Hellboy, so this is very very unlikely to be anything like Deadpool. Yeah there were jokes in the trailer, but that wasn't Deadpool, that was just the usual superhero movie quips that are in like 95% of comic book films now. That is the price of business now. My guess is they put that trailer together just to please the people who were complaining about the possibility of this just being a grimdark edgy film just because the director said they were gonna lean more into original tone of the comics.
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Post by Hachiman on Dec 25, 2018 0:10:29 GMT -5
Its pretty funny how the 1991 film If Looks Could Kill predicted the path of the EU and the rise of the Euro. I mean, its genuinely funny when the villain is all like, "This is the future! All of Europe under one currency! My currency!" and the Richard Grieco is like "I gotta stop this!" If anything, the problem of this movie in 2018 is that the bad guy wasn't also like, "but, in addition to a unified physical currency, I also want to promote electronic cashless transactions through computers like this early 90's-era Mac! Then I can just keep all this gold in a vault somewhere to prop up my unified currency!" and then Richard Grieco could be been like "You're insane! That will never happen!"
You were this close to predicting the future, movie. This close.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 25, 2018 11:37:03 GMT -5
Official trailer out for Jordan Peele's "Us"...damn, this looks absolutely creepy!
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Post by Powerthirteen on Dec 25, 2018 15:55:31 GMT -5
You know, if it weren't for the triumphant music at the end, Bambi would be the story of the child of a single parent who grows up into a deadbeat dad like his own father.
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Post by Desert Dweller on Dec 26, 2018 3:17:31 GMT -5
Dick Van Dyke has a cameo in the Mary Poppins sequel and it was so joyful that it almost made me cry with happiness. He's so wonderful. I hope when I'm 91 I can pull off what he did in that movie.
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