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Post by Ben Grimm on Jan 20, 2019 19:18:07 GMT -5
Ugh, and fucking Green Book wins at the Producers Guild Awards. Are you kidding me with this? This guild award is supposed to be about making money, damn it. This film couldn't even do that! It's barely breaking even right now. Even Bohemian Rhapsody would have been better here, because at least that could be justified by "It made a lot of money!"
Edited: Here's our friend Todd posting his thoughts on Green Book:
Todd, this is depressing. How are there actual people who could believe this? And yes, I know "Crash" won an Oscar, but.... that was over a decade ago!
How is this still happening? WHY?! Never underestimate the desire a certain kind of white person has for movies that they can use to convince themselves that racism is a thing of the past or at least a thing that they are better than. It got Crash and Driving Miss Daisy Oscars.
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Post by kitchin on Jan 21, 2019 0:32:16 GMT -5
Io, a new post-apocalyptic movie on Netflix. The cast is three: Andie McDowell's daughter (Margaret Qualley from the Leftovers), a good actor named Anthony Mackie, and brief clips of idealistic curmudgeon Danny Huston. The sci-fi elements, design and photography make this one watchable, though it's certainly not hard sci-fi. Fingerless gloves with a spacesuit don't make much sense, even on earth. As for the writing, it's the kind of movie that gets worse the longer it runs. At first it's just cornball, but other problems pile up. Terrible dialog, sure, but now they're taking a full night's sleep (at 50% oxygen) when they're on a 26 hour deadline to get halfway around the world in a helium balloon to meet the last rocketship leaving ammonia Earth! They've carefully planned the trip so they can take this sleep break! Because it's adorable! This is Netflix film school material, but still I sort of liked it. The intentions are worthy and humanitarian, and rather than sci-fi or post-apocalypse, it's more firmly in the genre of an adult child unwinding the misguided alternative lifestyle she was raised in, in isolation. I almost watched that last night. Still thinking about it.
But, your spoiler section is a head scratcher. Why? Why would they do that? That isn't a long time to go without doing that. So, why? This may be enough to irritate me so that I wouldn't like the film.
The justification was something like "set out at first light," but the stars were visible in other scenes, and must be how they planned to navigate. The biggest complaint I saw from a hard sci perspective concerned the high radiation around Io and the other inner moons of Jupiter. More random notes: The painting is by Cezanne, which I had a hard time placing because it was paired with a poem from a different era. The effort to turn around some gender tropes is obvious, but it's not a deal breaker for me.
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Post by oppy all along on Jan 22, 2019 10:00:23 GMT -5
Oscar nominees are in!
Best Picture Black Panther BlacKkKlansman Bohemian Rhapsody The Favourite Green Book Roma A Star Is Born Vice
Notes: Black Panther gets the BP nomination! Even after they cut the list down to eight rather than give First Man or If Beale Street Could Talk a nomination. Ouch. In a win for diversity, only two of the movies on the list are solely lead by a white dude or dudes - Green Book and Vice.
Best Actress Yalitza Aparicio, Roma Glenn Close, The Wife Olivia Colman, The Favourite Lady Gaga, A Star Is Born Melissa McCarthy, Can You Ever Forgive Me?
Notes: Yalitza Aparicio takes the fifth spot, edging out contenders like Emily Blunt (Mary Poppins Returns, not a great night for the distant sequel) and Toni Collette (Hereditary, which never had a shot but some people were pushing for it).
Best Actor Christian Bale, Vice Bradley Cooper, A Star Is Born Willem Dafoe, At Eternity’s Gate Rami Malek, Bohemian Rhapsody Viggo Mortensen, Green Book
Notes: Willem Dafoe makes a surprise appearance, claiming a spot that people seemed to think was going to John David Washington (BlacKkKlansman) or Ethan Hawke (First Reformed). Note to self, now I have to track down whatever this movie about Eternity's Gate is.
Best Director Alfonso Cuarón, Roma Yorgos Lanthimos, The Favourite Spike Lee, BlacKkKlansman Adam McKay, Vice Pawel Pawlikowski, Cold War
Notes: Strong night for foreign movies, with Cold War popping up in a few spots and Roma taking even more nominations than it was tipped to get. No Bradley Cooper (A Star Is Born) or Peter Farrelly (Green Book), which is surprising but I'm here for it.
Best Supporting Actress Amy Adams, Vice Marina de Tavira, Roma Regina King, If Beale Street Could Talk Emma Stone, The Favourite Rachel Weisz, The Favourite
Notes: Marina de Tavira is the big mover here, this was a good night for Netflix and Roma. Claire Foy (First Man), Emily Blunt (A Quiet Place), Michelle Yeoh (Crazy Rich Asians), and Nicole Kidman (Boy Erased) were all tipped to have a better shot than the supporting actress in Roma. The Favourite is in the desirable predicament of having three female leads who could have credibly gone for Best Actress, but they hedged their bets and then this happened.
Best Supporting Actor Mahershala Ali, Green Book Adam Driver, BlacKkKlansman Sam Elliott, A Star Is Born Richard E. Grant, Can You Ever Forgive Me? Sam Rockwell, Vice
Notes: Sam Rockwell takes the spot some thought was going to Timothée Chalamet (Beautiful Boy), but other than that no surprises here.
Best Adapted Screenplay The Ballad of Buster Scruggs BlacKkKlansman Can You Ever Forgive Me? If Beale Street Could Talk A Star Is Born
Notes: Four movies everyone had pencilled in for this nomination, and one nobody had even considered. I guess even when a Coen bros film goes under the radar they're still in the hunt.
Best Original Screenplay The Favourite First Reformed Green Book Roma Vice
Notes: The one real shot Eighth Grade has at being nominated for something, and the fifth spot goes to the sad priest movie. Boo-urns. Justice for Eighth Grade!
Best Cinematography Cold War The Favourite Never Look Away Roma A Star Is Born
Notes: Big night for foreign language movies, with 3/5 in this category. The very unforeseen nomination of Never Look Away ended up costing First Man, If Beale Street Could Talk, and Black Panther among others.
Best Animated Feature Incredibles 2 Isle of Dogs Mirai Ralph Breakes the Internet Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse
Notes: The exact 5 you'd expect, no surprises here. Looked like a super competitive field but Spider-Verse seems to be running away with it.
Best Documentary Feature Free Solo Hale County This Morning, This Evening Minding the Gap Of Fathers and Sons RBG
Notes: I cannot stress what a massive upset it is that Won't You Be My Neighbor isn't even nominated. As the only documentary anyone had heard of it was the odds on favourite to win by a crushing amount. Oscar voters hate Mister Rogers, pass it on.
Best Foreign Language Film Capernaum (Lebanon) Cold War (Poland) Never Look Away (Germany) Roma (Mexico) Shoplifters (Japan)
Notes: The 'Netflix is coming home with at least one Oscar after tonight' award. Burning (South Korea) was a mildly surprising omission.
Nothing major in the other awards. Black Panther came out strong but surprisingly no nomination for Best Visual Effects. Solo: A Star Wars Story on the other hand will now go down in history as an Oscar-nominated movie. A Quiet Place squeaked in with a Best Sound Editing nomination so Jim from The Office got a little something something. The Favourite and Roma tied for the most nominations, which is cool.
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Post by ganews on Jan 22, 2019 15:57:27 GMT -5
Predictions based on nothing at all: Best Picture - Green Book Best Actress - Glenn Close, The Wife Best Actor - Christian Bale, Vice Best Director - Alfonso Cuarón, Roma Best Supporting Actress - Regina King, If Beale Street Could Talk Best Supporting Actor - Mahershala Ali, Green Book Best Adapted Screenplay - If Beale Street Could Talk Best Original Screenplay - The Favourite Best Animated - Spider-verse
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Post by Dellarigg on Jan 22, 2019 16:09:11 GMT -5
I'd like Pawel Pawlikowski to win Best Director, retroactively for Ida, which floors me every time I see it, and that is a regular occurrence. Haven't seen Cold War yet, though I'm sure it'll be great.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2019 16:18:26 GMT -5
I've seen four of the five nominees for Best Animated Feature, and enjoyed them all, mostly. (I Love Dogs was technically interesting but problematic and kind of boring in parts.)
But if Spider-Verse doesn't win I will be legitimately upset. That movie was brilliant all around!
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Post by oppy all along on Jan 22, 2019 16:40:06 GMT -5
Oscar Predictions
Best Picture: Roma Best Director: Alfonso Cuarón, Roma Best Actress: Lady Gaga, A Star Is Born Best Actor: Rami Malek, Bohemian Rhapsody Best Supporting Actress: Regina King, If Beale Street Could Talk Best Supporting Actor: Mahershala Ali, Green Book Best Adapted Screenplay: If Beale Street Could Talk Best Original Screenplay: The Favourite Best Animated Feature: Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse Best Documentary Feature: Free Solo Best Foreign Language Film: Roma
I figure the snub of Bradley Cooper for Best Director and the surprise inclusion of Roma in the acting categories is foreshadowing that Roma's won 'artsy black and white foreign language movie vs big studio romantic musical with big names' As long as Lady Gaga gets the O in her future EGOT I'm happy, Roma is awesome.
Not Green Book though. Please.
Personal Best Picture rankings
1: A Star Is Born (Still gotta give it up for Lady Gaga) 2: The Favourite (There's a case for this being the big winner of the day instead of Roma and I would be totally here for that as well) 3: Roma (Can't knock it, it's a brilliant movie) 4: Black Panther (WAKANDA FOREVER. I'd be fine with any of these four winning it) 5: Bohemian Rhapsody (Eh. It's inoffensive and Rami Malek is amazing) 6: BlacKkKlansman (Look, if we whitewash police history and don't hold them accountable for their past racism then how can we address racism in policing in the present?) 7: Green Book (No. Just no. No. Absolutely not. No.) NR: Vice (I have yet been unable to bring myself to watch the 'Dick Cheney is as bad as you thought he was and also he won' movie)
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Post by Hachiman on Jan 22, 2019 21:26:47 GMT -5
I'm really pulling for Spike Lee to finally get his Oscar, but this year is tough for competition. Sorry, Spike.
The animated film category also looks to be tough. After checking Wikipedia, damned if they don't mess up here almost every single year, but this year actually seems pretty competitive.
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Post by kitchin on Jan 23, 2019 7:41:40 GMT -5
I knew Vincent van Gogh was America's favorite painter. And Lust for Life won an Oscar in the 1950s - actually Anthony Quinn won for playing Cezanne, but I imagine people remember it for Kirk Douglas as van Gogh. A good night for painters, with the fictionalized Gerhard Richter in Florian Henckel von Donnersmarck's movie, which is nominated for best foreign pic, and for lensing by Zooey & Emily's dad Deschanel. Note: Florian's last name is Henckel for short. Rules of the castle born. Alain Resnais made his mark early with a short doc on van Gogh's paintings, which looks to me to have influenced Ken Burn's Civil War pretty significantly. It's all paintings, in glorious* black and white, panned and scanned, with narration and a musical score. Here it is: www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YRXvEiXIWs
* Not so glorious, at least on Youtube.
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Post by Ben Grimm on Jan 23, 2019 11:18:08 GMT -5
I'm really pulling for Spike Lee to finally get his Oscar, but this year is tough for competition. Sorry, Spike. I could see it happening pretty easily, to be honest. This doesn't look like it's going to be one of those years with a single dominant film, and voters tend to give out lifetime achievement awards when it's like that, which may bode well for Dafoe, Close, Adams, and Elliot as well.
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Post by Desert Dweller on Jan 23, 2019 23:13:06 GMT -5
Best Original ScreenplayThe Favourite First Reformed Green Book Roma ViceNotes: The one real shot Eighth Grade has at being nominated for something, and the fifth spot goes to the sad priest movie. Boo-urns. Justice for Eighth Grade!
I still haven't seen First Reformed, but it did win a ton of critic's awards, so apparently some people thought it was good. The real crime here is Green Book. What about that cliche-ridden, racist stereotype-filled, by-the-numbers piece of garbage movie deserved to get a Screenplay nomination over Eighth Grade?! Ugh, the Oscars are way worse when you actually watch the movies and therefore have opinions on their quality.
I'm still working on my predictions. So far, I'll go with:
Best Director: Alfonso Cuarón Best Actress: Glenn Close Best Actor: Christian Bale Best Adapted Screenplay: BlacKkKlansman Best Original Screenplay: The Favourite Best Animated Film: Spider-Verse
Best Foreign Language Film: Roma
Those are the ones I feel okay with.
Best Supporting Actor: I am really wavering on Supporting Actor. Mahershala Ali just won a couple years ago, and it seems weird that he would be a double Oscar winner. Having someone like Sam Elliot in the category -who has never even been nominated- seems like it might be irresistible to Oscar voters. These people love to give out Lifetime Achievement wins. It is entirely possible that the studio Oscar campaigning could play up the "He's never won!" angle..... I don't know.... I may pick Elliot, but I have Ali right now.
Can't figure out Best Supporting Actress. I've actually seen Roma, Beale Street and the Favourite. Now, I love Regina King. Sincerely. I love her in everything she's in. But... I'm not sure her role in Beale Street is one that is going to win an Oscar. I don't know. It feels like too little screentime/importance. I actually prefer both de Tavira and Weisz. And Amy Adams has been nominated a LOT. Vice got a lot of nominations. Maybe the voters will finally just give it to Adams? I don't know. Want to see what happens at SAG/BAFTA, where King is not even nominated.
Best Documentary Feature: This category was destined to be a bloodbath. There were way too many critically acclaimed, successful documentaries and way too few spots. It is surprising that the Fred Rogers doc got left off. That was the highest grossing one! But, "Three Identical Strangers" and "Shirkers" also missed out. I'm hoping this will open a door for "Minding the Gap" which I saw last week and LOVED. I may go for "Free Solo" as my prediction, though. "Hale County This Morning, This Evening" is available on iTunes on Feb 8th, so I may watch it, but I hate buying documentary films. May have to resort to less than legal methods of watching some of these.
Not going to try to predict Best Picture. That's a mess. I may wait until the BAFTAs to make a prediction. Usually it is easier to predict this category, because there are a zillion earlier awards that give clues. Big Oscar bloggers know there is usually a formula to winning Best Picture. But....no film this year is going to follow the traditional path. No film is winning all the awards, or getting all the nominations that Best Picture winners usually do. I can't bring myself to predict Roma, even though I love it, and it leads the nominations. I can't quite see a Spanish-language film winning Best Picture. If it wins BP at the BAFTAs I may go ahead and predict it. I still can't shake the fear that stupid Green Book will win. Ugh, I hated that film.
Personal Best Picture Rankings:
1. Roma 2. The Favourite 3. BlacKkKlansman 4. A Star is Born 5. Black Panther ... And then Green Book and Bohemian Rhapsody are way at the bottom.
I haven't seen Vice and don't really want to. I, too, can't bring myself to see Cheney's evil face on the big screen.
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Post by oppy all along on Jan 24, 2019 0:23:37 GMT -5
I do appreciate that after all the handwringing about Black Panther earlier in the year - "a superhero action blockbuster just isn't Best Picture material! It's fine plebeian fare but it's not what we support at our Oscars" - by the time it came around everyone was too mad about Green Book and Bohemian Rhapsody to really notice.
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Post by Desert Dweller on Jan 24, 2019 2:33:15 GMT -5
I do appreciate that after all the handwringing about Black Panther earlier in the year - "a superhero action blockbuster just isn't Best Picture material! It's fine plebeian fare but it's not what we support at our Oscars" - by the time it came around everyone was too mad about Green Book and Bohemian Rhapsody to really notice.
I still saw some people moaning about a "kids movie" being nominated. "Comic book movie for Best Picture??" Oh noooooooo!
Seriously people? Black Panther is at least a decent movie. I'd give it a B grade. The climax is a bit ridiculous, but at least it isn't pretending that the Northern USA states solved racism in the 60s.
Vice also took a drubbing by the critics. So, there are three Best Picture nominees with lower critics scores than Black Panther.
Green Book and Bohemian Rhapsody feel like movies that were actually produced, like, 20-30 years ago, and then magically transported to 2018. I watched them and thought, "My mom would probably like this". They were the kinds of movies she used to go see. But, they're so empty. "Crowd-pleaser!" Okay, but one is crowd pleasing because we all still love the songs of Queen, and the other.... what crowds is Green Book pleasing? It just barely broke even at the box office. And considering that it requires an Oscar campaign, its marketing and publicity budget is probably higher than normal. So, in truth, it probably hasn't made back its budget/costs yet.
Edited to add: I think another reason we aren't seeing as much pushback on Black Panther is that it isn't favored to win. Once Green Book and Bohemian Rhapsody won at the Golden Globes, the media knives came out. After the Oscar nominations, I've already seen several pieces about how Vice and Bohemian Rhapsody are the worst nominees! And after that PGA win by Green Book I saw a few more hit pieces on it. Hard to know how much of this is because critics just really don't like those movies, and how much might be rival studios financing anti-Oscar campaigns against them, though.
Speaking of Oscar campaigns, I saw an article last week that estimated that Netflix spent (so far) $25 million on the Oscar campaign for "Roma". ..... $25 million. !!! The film cost $15 million to make! This is mind blowing.
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Post by Ben Grimm on Jan 24, 2019 9:25:49 GMT -5
Surprisingly enough, Black Panther has the highest RT score of any of the nominees, and tied-for-third highest Metacritic score.
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Post by Powerthirteen on Jan 24, 2019 22:58:43 GMT -5
With the benefit of hindsight I think we can agree that whatever its effect on filmmaking since may have been, The Dark Knight did give us one of cinema’s greatest WHAT?? moments in the disappearing pencil scene and for that we should all be thankful.
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Post by Desert Dweller on Jan 25, 2019 0:16:33 GMT -5
Surprisingly enough, Black Panther has the highest RT score of any of the nominees, and tied-for-third highest Metacritic score.
Exactly! Black Panther being nominated for Best Picture is in no way the worst part of the nominations. Nor the second worst part. Nor even the third worst part. Honestly, there are so many problems in the nominations..... I'm fine with Black Panther being a nominee, and I'm not even a Marvel fan, nor really a comic book movie fan at all.
The RT score of Bohemian Rhapsody is 62 and the RT score of Vice is 65. Green Book's score is 82 and the others are all at least 90.
That shows you where the real problems are.
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Post by chalkdevil 😈 on Feb 4, 2019 17:45:44 GMT -5
The Fast and the Furious franchise used to be about street racing right? Like, just a Point Break knockoff with tricked out cars? I haven't kept up. What is happening here? Why is Idris Elba a super soldier?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2019 22:23:02 GMT -5
The Fast and the Furious franchise used to be about street racing right? Like, just a Point Break knockoff with tricked out cars? I haven't kept up. What is happening here? Why is Idris Elba a super soldier? Because it's fun? I think I saw the first Fast & Furious by accident and I haven't seen the others because I really don't care much for racing or fast cars, but this one I'll see because it looks silly and fun.
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Post by Roy Batty's Pet Dove on Feb 5, 2019 0:26:24 GMT -5
The Fast and the Furious franchise used to be about street racing right? Like, just a Point Break knockoff with tricked out cars? I haven't kept up. What is happening here? Why is Idris Elba a super soldier? Wouldn't y'all agree with me that it's unrealistic that in the fictional Simpsons universe somebody wrote an entire newspaper article about Abe Simpson yelling at a cloud?
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Post by kitchin on Feb 6, 2019 11:32:43 GMT -5
The Fast and the Furious franchise used to be about street racing right? Like, just a Point Break knockoff with tricked out cars? I haven't kept up. What is happening here? Why is Idris Elba a super soldier? Wouldn't y'all agree with me that it's unrealistic that in the fictional Simpsons universe somebody wrote an entire newspaper article about Abe Simpson yelling at a cloud? Why in my day newspapers ran lots of articles like this! And more news! And ads where you could by a used grill, spotless! People cleaned their things before the sold them in my day!
Also it's fun to hear people who don't believe there are (were?) "visiting" stories in small town newspapers. (It's a long list of one sentence reports on who visited whom and from where.) And I have an article about relative from not too long ago: LOCAL MAN HAS MANY HOBBIES.
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Post by Floyd D Barber on Feb 7, 2019 13:55:01 GMT -5
Wouldn't y'all agree with me that it's unrealistic that in the fictional Simpsons universe somebody wrote an entire newspaper article about Abe Simpson yelling at a cloud? Why in my day newspapers ran lots of articles like this! And more news! And ads where you could by a used grill, spotless! People cleaned their things before the sold them in my day!
Also it's fun to hear people who don't believe there are (were?) "visiting" stories in small town newspapers. (It's a long list of one sentence reports on who visited whom and from where.) And I have an article about relative from not too long ago: LOCAL MAN HAS MANY HOBBIES.
When I was a kid, our local weekly paper had (and still have) regular columns by people who did (do) nothing but post who visited whom. Extra ink if it was somebody from out of town. And think about this, all you HIPAA law enthusiasts: the local radio station used to broadcast the names of people admitted or dismissed from the local hospital, as well as births and deaths, twice a day, and printed up little fliers with this information, along with news headlines, and distributed them to the local restaurants to be given out with along with menus and placemats.
Small towns are a different world.
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Post by Nudeviking on Feb 7, 2019 19:25:13 GMT -5
The Fast and the Furious franchise used to be about street racing right? Like, just a Point Break knockoff with tricked out cars? I haven't kept up. What is happening here? Why is Idris Elba a super soldier? The second movie in the franchise had cops in helicopters shoot harpoons (hereinafter carpoons) at race cars. The carpoons would then allow the cops in the helicopters to control the cars that had been carpooned. Outside of maybe the first movie there was also goofy scientific fantasy action movie shit in these movies.
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Post by Roy Batty's Pet Dove on Feb 10, 2019 23:33:16 GMT -5
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Post by Desert Dweller on Feb 11, 2019 4:29:28 GMT -5
Watched the BAFTAs tonight.
Olivia Colman won Best Actress and it made me happy. I love Glenn Close, and all, and I finally saw her movie and she's good in it. But I LOVED Olivia Colman's performance in "The Favourite" so much. Rachel Weisz also won, and that also made me happy. These ladies were amazing in that film.
Alfonso Cuaron won Best Director and seemed surprised? It was strange. Like, he was legit surprised. He seemed stunned when we went up. He had no idea what to say. He didn't have anything written down. He literally said, "I can't think of what to say, so I'm wrapping this up. Thanks!" Dude, you've won every Director prize at every awards group all year. WTF?
"The Favourite" won 6 awards at the BAFTAs, was steamrolling through the competition, and then Cinematography and Director went to Cuaron, and finally "Roma" won Best Film. At least that time Cuaron had a speech written down. He actually gave a very good speech here. It's the first time all awards season I've seen him connect his personal film set in the past to the current political situation in the wider world.
I'm trying not to get hopeful that "Green Book" may lose at the Oscars. I still can't bring myself to predict "Roma" to win Best Picture. I still think stupid "Green Book" will win. The Preferential Ballot used in Best Picture voting I'm afraid will work against "Roma". Someone on another site keeps trying to make me believe that the Preferential Ballot can actually help "Roma", but.... I don't know. I can't get over "Green Book" winning at the freaking Producer's Guild, which is the only other group which uses the Preferential Ballot.
You guys, the awards shows get a bit stressful when you've actually seen the nominees. It is way more fun to not watch any of the movies, and then just talk about the fashion and speeches, and which actors you like. I'm going to try that instead for 2019.
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Post by DangOlJimmyITellYouWhat on Feb 13, 2019 18:40:42 GMT -5
It literally never occurred to me that there are people who hate C-3PO.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2019 19:03:23 GMT -5
It literally never occurred to me that there are people who hate C-3PO. Does hating just his red arm in Force Awakens count?
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Post by Hachiman on Feb 13, 2019 20:31:25 GMT -5
It literally never occurred to me that there are people who hate C-3PO. I was cool with him, until the fucking prequels.
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Post by Nudeviking on Feb 14, 2019 21:33:17 GMT -5
I brought this up in the Shoutbox earlier today but I'll ask it again here for those that will not venture down to that part of this website: Is the first Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles the last movie where New York City is presented as a crime-infested deathtrap? Period pieces and speculative fiction don't count only movies that are set at roughly the same time that they are released.
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Post by kitchin on Feb 15, 2019 10:36:06 GMT -5
I brought this up in the Shoutbox earlier today but I'll ask it again here for those that will not venture down to that part of this website: Is the first Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles the last movie where New York City is presented as a crime-infested deathtrap? Period pieces and speculative fiction don't count only movies that are set at roughly the same time that they are released. Maybe, if you exclude crime movies about neighborhoods outside the tourist zone! New Jack City came out in March 1991, so about one year later than the Turtles, but it starts out in 1986. Some of the same people (but not Peebles) were involved in Sugar Hill (1994). And then you still have lots of stuff like Cop Land (1997) and We Own the Night (2007) about the criminal margins, as well as Wall Street crime movies, but none of that is really Taxi Driver. Romance & Cigarettes (2005) is pretty good for general NYC grittiness without too much danger.
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Post by DangOlJimmyITellYouWhat on Feb 21, 2019 21:18:11 GMT -5
Man, I will watch these stupid Final Destination movies all day long. I think it’s the Rube Goldberg of the whole thing.
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