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Post by sarapen on Oct 16, 2015 13:50:29 GMT -5
This scene never took place in the game.I think I'm more than halfway through Baldur's Gate 2: Throne of Bhaal. I've been playing through the Baldur's Gate series for probably eight or nine years now, ever since I loaded up the first game. I used the Baldur's Gate Trilogy mod to have BG1 run through the BG2 engine, so essentially I've been playing a single run of an RPG for most of a decade. With the end fast approaching, I wanted to take a look back at the highlights of my run. Call it a greatest hits compilation. What the game actually looks like.Let me just say that this game is fun as shit. I like the roleplaying and I like the combat. I like coming up with all kinds of screwy as hell solutions to kill monsters. Maybe I'll scout out some enemies, then withdraw and attract their attention with some fireballs. Then I'll cast Grease to knock them down, Web to tangle them up, then Greater Malison to fuck up their luck. Then I'd pull out the crossbows, bows, and slings and go to town while they're falling on their asses all covered in spider webs. Or maybe I'll stay just out of range and spam twenty fireballs and a million firestorms and acid fogs, then go invisible and watch the chaos close up. If you played this before Dragon Age then you would have seen that the latter series is basically this game with nicer graphics and compatible with consoles. Well, Dragon Age is also smaller because every line of dialogue needs to be voiced. I find the combat more fun with the Baldur's Gate games just for how crazy it can get. I always feel rather constricted in the Dragon Ages, like there's pretty much just a few ways to win. Once you figure it out you'll basically be doing the same thing for each encounter, which can get boring. But not in Baldur's Gate. Anyway, I'm finally getting my character to the end of her journey as a Neutral Evil half-elf mage-thief. Look, I'd just read Brandon Sanderson's Mistborn books so I wanted a party of mage-thieves, and for a while I was able to roleplay that way for a bit. Plus "elven lady" was one of the few default character portraits in the game. Anyway, I'm doing an Evil playthrough, which I'm told has given my party an odd composition - no Minsc the Neutral Good ranger, no Jaheira the True Neutral fighter-druid, no Keldorn the Lawful Good inquisitor. I don't need any goody two-shoes on my team. I've got Anomen, the paladin who I had to really work on to renounce his religion and become Neutral; Edwin, the best sorcerer in the game and whose Evil alignment is a cause of concern for Good players; Viconia, the dark elf cleric with an amusingly amoral outlook; and Imoen, the human mage-thief who I'm taking along despite her Good alignment because she's my character's childhood friend and half-sister. Hey, it's a roleplaying game so I'm playing the hell out of this role. I've also got you-know-who as my resident asskicker and he's pretty good. I used to have Korgan the dwarf but I sacrificed him in Hell when I had to choose between that and giving up two points from my stats - again, rolepaying Evil here. As an Evil character I've basically been murdering my way through the world of Faerun. My character does have a soft spot for kids, letting me take some of the Good quests, but she will otherwise kill the shit out of anyone who gets mouthy. Notable murders and massacres include Drizzt Do'urden (boy, I really enjoyed killing him and then killing his friends who came to avenge him), Adalon the silver dragon (dragons are for slaying, especially the Good ones whose scales you can turn into armour), the Order of the Radiant Heart (they got up in my grille), the Harper Hold, and the Temples of Talos, Helm, and Lathander. My greatest regret is not killing Elminster, but the people behind the fixpack mod "fixed" that bug. My toughest battle so far was with Irenicus - took me two weeks to figure out a way to do it, which involved getting my ass kicked, turning invisible and running like hell, then sneaking back and recovering the bodies of my party to resurrect them for round two. A close second would be Yaga Shura the fire giant, with his literally endless army and who I just finished killing last night. Cheesiest win would be against Kangaxx the Demi-Lich, where I went invisible and hid in a corner of his crypt until his spell protections wore off. I do have the Sword Coast Strategems mod installed which really ups the difficulty. The enemies don't have more hit points, they're just way smarter at using what they have. One time I got ambushed by thieves using invisibility potions and backstab. I finally learned what that felt like. I quite enjoy playing this series and will be melancholy at completing it. I normally don't replay games where I roleplay heavily as I can only do them once - the first run is the canonical one in my mind and I feel weird doing it all over again. I've been considering Pillars of Eternity after this but apparently it's not as involved as the Baldur's Gate games. I've already tried Planescape Torment several times and the furthest I've gotten is after recruiting your first companion; something about the setting just doesn't click with me. Oh well, maybe I'll just get back to Borderlands 2 or finish up ICO. And my favourite cameos are the Solamnic Knights in the Planar Sphere. Woo, Dragonlance!
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Post by Baron von Costume on Oct 16, 2015 15:42:31 GMT -5
I just finished a replay of both extended editions and they are definitely as fun as I remembered, Vampires are definitely so ridiculously overpowered in that setting though unless you cheese it to have specific items to protect your mains from level drain.
Still, those are definitely the games that got me into PC roleplaying games and I will be forever thankful.
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Post by sarapen on Oct 16, 2015 16:11:50 GMT -5
I just finished a replay of both extended editions and they are definitely as fun as I remembered, Vampires are definitely so ridiculously overpowered in that setting though unless you cheese it to have specific items to protect your mains from level drain. Still, those are definitely the games that got me into PC roleplaying games and I will be forever thankful. Oh god, vampires. I hate those bastards and their level drain. I used up so many vital spell slots just for Negative Plane Protection. They're even worse if you're evil and can't use that special sword. Well, I had the skill Use Any Item but the sword is worthless since my mage/thief can't swordfight worth a damn. I got ticked off once and just summoned a demon to kill everyone in their lair. Obviously I reloaded since you don't get XP from demon kills but that was rather soothing. Actually it was also fun to summon a demon in Athkathla and watch it slaughter all the innocent people and the wizard cops. But I think special mention should go out to mindflayers as well. They suck out your brains and leave you dumb as a post and when you recover you have to put all your spells back again. How are the extended editions, anyway? Are the new characters and quests fanficcy or do they feel like organic additions to the games?
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Post by Baron von Costume on Oct 16, 2015 16:16:02 GMT -5
I just finished a replay of both extended editions and they are definitely as fun as I remembered, Vampires are definitely so ridiculously overpowered in that setting though unless you cheese it to have specific items to protect your mains from level drain. Still, those are definitely the games that got me into PC roleplaying games and I will be forever thankful. Oh god, vampires. I hate those bastards and their level drain. I used up so many vital spell slots just for Negative Plane Protection. They're even worse if you're evil and can't use that special sword. Well, I had the skill Use Any Item but the sword is worthless since my mage/thief can't swordfight worth a damn. I got ticked off once and just summoned a demon to kill everyone in their lair. Obviously I reloaded since you don't get XP from demon kills but that was rather soothing. Actually it was also fun to summon a demon in Athkathla and watch it slaughter all the innocent people and the wizard cops. But I think special mention should go out to mindflayers as well. They suck out your brains and leave you dumb as a post and when you recover you have to put all your spells back again. How are the extended editions, anyway? Are the new characters and quests fanficcy or do they feel like organic additions to the games? I really enjoyed most of what we played through for the new stuff. There were a few probably slight-er characters but we just left them behind and mostly took old faves anyway. Seconded on the mindflayers too, I hate some of those fights where I was running low when I hit them and it was close your eyes and pray time that no one got their brain eaten before they were dead.
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Post by pairesta on Oct 16, 2015 16:52:19 GMT -5
Ah Baldur's Gate. Great memories. Particularly being in awe of how in part 2, quests just kept piling up. It was just a huge, huge game, and tremendously influential, it seems. I've been very tempted after finding out--here, of course--that there were extended editions of the original series available. Wonder if Steam will ever discount them. I played it through twice. Due to my well-documented good-two-shoes-ness even in playing games, they were almost identical to each other, just that the second playthrough, especially BG2, were more expanded as I took the time to dig up every quest I could. Both times though, i stalled out right where sarapen is now: after killing Yaga Shura. I guess both times I thought I was getting close to the end, only to find out there were alot more fetch quests to go yet and I just lost steam. Yeah, god, those mindflayers. Running from one room to the next with them right behind me, dropping as many cloudkills and other death-cloud type spells as I could. The vampires didn't bug me so much. Yeah, the level drains were a pain in the ass, but not as bad as the 'flayers. One of my favorite memories of the game is I think the final confrontation, where there's tons of them coming at you, and I had that sword that could cast daylight, and then a cleric who had a very equivalent spell, and we unleashed them both at once and wiped out the majority of them. I went back after the fight and scrolled through some of the messages: some of the vampires took hundreds of points of damage.
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Post by pairesta on Oct 16, 2015 16:55:00 GMT -5
Thoughts on Icewind Dale? I liked the first one a great deal; particularly after having a preset party in BG: being able to design your own entirely was a good break. But I did miss the character interactions you got with BG. And it's been said before, but the music is just stunningly beautiful. But Icewind Dale 2 didn't click with me at all. I used to say that they could have put out a new game on the BG engine every year and I'd be happy, but it does seem to have gotten long in the tooth with ID2. I did get Planescape a few years ago after hearing so many good things and like sarapen it just didn't work with me. Maybe that it was too un-D&D for me.
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Post by The Larch on Oct 16, 2015 17:12:53 GMT -5
Thoughts on Icewind Dale? I liked the first one a great deal; particularly after having a preset party in BG: being able to design your own entirely was a good break. But I did miss the character interactions you got with BG. And it's been said before, but the music is just stunningly beautiful. But Icewind Dale 2 didn't click with me at all. I used to say that they could have put out a new game on the BG engine every year and I'd be happy, but it does seem to have gotten long in the tooth with ID2. I did get Planescape a few years ago after hearing so many good things and like sarapen it just didn't work with me. Maybe that it was too un-D&D for me. I've found a lot of people only like either IWD1 or IWD2, but I quite like them both. I think IWD2 has really interesting dungeon design, especially in the later chapters (the first few are a bit too heavy on the hordes of monsters though). It's weird though, because the combat is hardly the selling point of Baldur's Gate 1/2, yet I find it much more fun in the Icewind Dales. Of course, the story and characters in BG2 will always make it a superior game. I also agree on PS:T though, it's never clicked with me, despite wanting to get through it for years.
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Post by sarapen on Oct 16, 2015 22:45:12 GMT -5
Oh god, vampires. I hate those bastards and their level drain. I used up so many vital spell slots just for Negative Plane Protection. They're even worse if you're evil and can't use that special sword. Well, I had the skill Use Any Item but the sword is worthless since my mage/thief can't swordfight worth a damn. I got ticked off once and just summoned a demon to kill everyone in their lair. Obviously I reloaded since you don't get XP from demon kills but that was rather soothing. Actually it was also fun to summon a demon in Athkathla and watch it slaughter all the innocent people and the wizard cops. But I think special mention should go out to mindflayers as well. They suck out your brains and leave you dumb as a post and when you recover you have to put all your spells back again. How are the extended editions, anyway? Are the new characters and quests fanficcy or do they feel like organic additions to the games? I really enjoyed most of what we played through for the new stuff. There were a few probably slight-er characters but we just left them behind and mostly took old faves anyway. Seconded on the mindflayers too, I hate some of those fights where I was running low when I hit them and it was close your eyes and pray time that no one got their brain eaten before they were dead. On the other hand, you know what's awesome? Casting Time Stop, then Shapechanging into a mindflayer and devouring someone's brain. Haha, hope you like being a retard, Solaufein! pairesta Right, Carsomyr and False Dawn. As I mentioned, the sword is useless to an Evil party so I actually sold it to the fence at the Thieves' Guild. That fight at the vampire lair was so traumatic I still have a couple of False Dawns in my clerics' spell slots even though I haven't used it since then. I just know the second I remove it I'll get jumped by five vampires immediately afterwards. And I've also considered getting Icewind Dale but the general consensus is that the roleplaying part isn't as extensive as the Baldur's Gates. The two games seem to be more combat-focused, which I do find fun, but cutting back the roleplaying exploration stuff would leave out a lot of what I enjoyed from their predecessors. Did the enhanced edition at least fix some of the annoying interface and programming stuff from the BG Infinity Engine games? The old schoolness really sticks out when I'm switching between ToB and something modern. For example, the horrific pathfinding, where characters will often take the long way around, which might only be annoying except they do that in the middle of a battle. I use the cheat console to teleport my party to a previously visited spot just to avoid this hassle. Or what about how confusing stuff can get in a giant battle? The messages go by really fast and half the time I'm not sure if a hit landed or not. Actually if there are a lot of characters involved in a battle I'm not even sure what move a particular action is connected to. "Anomen - Magic Resistance" Eh? What spell cast at him did he resist? Sheesh, I'm not even sure who in my party killed Yaga Shura. And if there's a lot of stuff on screen I lose sight of the characters, though that's partly because of the widescreen mod I installed. What's unnecessarily difficult is the spellcasting portion. If there's a glowing ball and a glowing ring around a character, which spell protections do they have? And which spells take down those protections? And what spell removes the status effect Stun from my character? I know that D&D gets complicated but the game could at least have some kind of codex where you can look this all up. Speaking of which, I guess that's partly how they got the idea for Dragon Age and Mass Effect. And you can draw a clear line from these computer RPGs straight to Mass Effect. Bioware ran Knights of the Old Republic through a D&D system because they'd had lots of experience with making video games out of it. Then they made Mass Effect because they couldn't make Star Wars games anymore so they just filed off the serial numbers and recycled the game mechanics.
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Post by sarapen on Oct 16, 2015 23:00:23 GMT -5
I forgot to mention my most "oh shit" moment from the games: when I was fighting Demogorgon and cast my old Time Stop trick so I could take down his spell protections at my leisure. The world turned gray but he was still in colour and coming right at me! I mean, have you seen this guy? A twenty foot tall baboon-headed octopus monster. That did not end well. Still, once I got the right combination of spells to take down his defences he went down pretty easily.
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Post by MrsLangdonAlger on Oct 17, 2015 0:14:37 GMT -5
Baldur's Gate II is my favorite video game of all time, so I have a lot of thoughts on this. I've played through it 18 times, and the last time I played it on a PC several years ago I had 12 various mods that I installed beforehand. Made installation a long and somewhat arduous process, because they have to be installed in specific order so as not to fuck each other up, but it was worth it! I've played the Enhanced Editions but will admit that without those mods I had less fun. Great mods include a couple of well written party-member characters (Keto, Kelsey, and an expanded-story Solaufein were particularly great), one that let you skip Irenicus' dungeon at the beginning, and best of all one that let you do every single Stronghold quest regardless of character class. I think most of the mods I used came from the Pocket Plane, which was a fantastic resource.
I think my most played make-up was my character as a cleric, Mazzy, Minsc, Kelsey, Valygar, and Haer'Dalis. I would then be faced with a difficult decision when it was time to retrieve Imoen. Anomen was my least favorite character and is one of the crappiest romanceable characters of all time. What a whiner. Almost as bad as Aerie.
After I had replayed the game about half a dozen times, I started using the CLUA console a lot more often, especially for shortcuts. Loved being able to reveal a map right way for places I'd explored plenty already, and to jump to different areas. It also led to me finding one funny bug. During the fight with Irenicus in the tree, I could jump my party to where he was before killing the parasites. Because I hadn't killed all the parasites, he wasn't triggered to start his pre-fight dialogue. So I could go there, lay a bazillion traps around him, then go and kill the last one. The second he moved he'd be half-dead already.
Anyway, I have a ton more thoughts that I'll have to share when I'm less sleepy.
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Post by sarapen on Oct 17, 2015 13:07:57 GMT -5
Baldur's Gate II is my favorite video game of all time, so I have a lot of thoughts on this. I've played through it 18 times, and the last time I played it on a PC several years ago I had 12 various mods that I installed beforehand. Made installation a long and somewhat arduous process, because they have to be installed in specific order so as not to fuck each other up, but it was worth it! I've played the Enhanced Editions but will admit that without those mods I had less fun. Great mods include a couple of well written party-member characters (Keto, Kelsey, and an expanded-story Solaufein were particularly great), one that let you skip Irenicus' dungeon at the beginning, and best of all one that let you do every single Stronghold quest regardless of character class. I think most of the mods I used came from the Pocket Plane, which was a fantastic resource. I think my most played make-up was my character as a cleric, Mazzy, Minsc, Kelsey, Valygar, and Haer'Dalis. I would then be faced with a difficult decision when it was time to retrieve Imoen. Anomen was my least favorite character and is one of the crappiest romanceable characters of all time. What a whiner. Almost as bad as Aerie. After I had replayed the game about half a dozen times, I started using the CLUA console a lot more often, especially for shortcuts. Loved being able to reveal a map right way for places I'd explored plenty already, and to jump to different areas. It also led to me finding one funny bug. During the fight with Irenicus in the tree, I could jump my party to where he was before killing the parasites. Because I hadn't killed all the parasites, he wasn't triggered to start his pre-fight dialogue. So I could go there, lay a bazillion traps around him, then go and kill the last one. The second he moved he'd be half-dead already. Anyway, I have a ton more thoughts that I'll have to share when I'm less sleepy. I'm astounded. You've played the game 18 times? I was talking about it with someone on Gameological and they mentioned they played it once a year. And, uh, I've actually got 17 mods installed right now. They're all tweaks and fixes, though. I don't have any original mod characters or quests involved because I wanted to do the original game as much as possible, barring stuff like the Ascension mod which toughens up some of the bosses. I do hear you on how torturous it is to install that many mods. There was some kind of conflict between mods that made it impossible to get past a puzzle in Watcher's Keep so I had to uninstall the game and reinstall everything. I think it took me an entire day. I had to use the Big World Project's install list to find out the correct order to install the mods in. Anyway, this is absolutely the last time I'm doing this so I'd better finish the game on this install.
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Post by pairesta on Oct 17, 2015 13:49:52 GMT -5
I forgot to mention my most "oh shit" moment from the games: when I was fighting Demogorgon and cast my old Time Stop trick so I could take down his spell protections at my leisure. The world turned gray but he was still in colour and coming right at me! I mean, have you seen this guy? A twenty foot tall baboon-headed octopus monster. That did not end well. Still, once I got the right combination of spells to take down his defences he went down pretty easily. Wow. Same thing happened to me. i strutted into his layer, popped him with time stop, then was horrified to see it did nothing. Reload!
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Post by sarapen on Oct 18, 2015 0:00:49 GMT -5
Freaking Amkethran. All I want is to sell my loot, why can't I walk more than 5 feet without townspeople begging me for help? Don't they see how low my reputation is?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2015 17:37:06 GMT -5
Favorite battle?
Mine was when you encountered another adventuring party in a temple (?) and had a huge battle with them.
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Post by sarapen on Oct 19, 2015 19:56:50 GMT -5
Favorite battle? Mine was when you encountered another adventuring party in a temple (?) and had a huge battle with them. Whaaat? When and where is this fight? I don't remember it. Hmm, probably my favourite battle is the one against Drizzt's avenging companions. I've never read the books but they just came across as so, I don't know, special with their magic tiger and super swords and whatever. There's room for only one colourful group of adventurers in this game! Or wait, it's probably tied with the time I killed everyone in the Order of the Radiant Heart. That fight was nothing but invisibility, Cloudkill, and lots of fireballs, but for maximum drama I had my character kill their leader in a one on one duel.
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Post by MrsLangdonAlger on Oct 19, 2015 20:19:24 GMT -5
Favorite battle? Mine was when you encountered another adventuring party in a temple (?) and had a huge battle with them. Probably the final battle with Bodhi, difficulty wise. For pure ridiculousness the battle with a chinchilla Bhaalspawn was pretty goddamn cool.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2015 21:01:07 GMT -5
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Post by sarapen on Oct 19, 2015 22:26:28 GMT -5
Oh, that's why I couldn't remember them. I cleared that Sewer out by putting nothing but summoning spells in my slots and just going Hide in Shadows to direct my minions from behind. If one fell I'd just send replacements from the rest of my party down the hall. Whole thing went pretty smoothly.
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Post by pairesta on Oct 20, 2015 5:42:25 GMT -5
Favorite battle? Mine was when you encountered another adventuring party in a temple (?) and had a huge battle with them. Probably the final battle with Bodhi, difficulty wise. That's the one I mentioned above where I vaporized half of her team with Sunfire and False Dawn spells cast at the same time. It's probably my favorite fight too. There's a funny one near the end where you send a low-level party on some fetch quest, they come back with the item and attack you, then get annihilated and have to "reload" their game.
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Post by The Larch on Oct 20, 2015 7:10:51 GMT -5
Sewers, temples, same thing, right?
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Post by heroboy on Oct 20, 2015 12:16:53 GMT -5
Oh man, I just started re-playing Baludr's Gate last week, and after reading through this thread, I kinda wanna push through it as quickly as possible to get on to BGII. The first game is really good, but BGII is probably the best RPG ever made. I'm about half-way through with the standard Good group, though thinking of dropping Jaheira and Khalid. I've also just started an Evil character but I haven't done anything with him yet.
It has been a few years since I've done a playthrough, so I don't really remember the best fights anymore, though the one that stands out in my mid is the Sahaguin section just before entering the Underdark.
As for Planescape: Torment, I felt it was a little slow after getting out of the tower and into Sigil proper, but after a little while of that the story kicks into gear and becomes really engrossing. I would definitely give it another shot if you bailed on it early-in.
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Post by Baron von Costume on Oct 20, 2015 14:06:35 GMT -5
Yeah personally that sewer one is one of my faves, though I'd also agree that I love that Sahaguin section as well.
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Post by pairesta on Nov 3, 2015 9:15:17 GMT -5
FYI, Steam has the enhanced edition of Baldur's Gate II on sale until 11/4 for $4.99.
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Post by pairesta on Nov 5, 2015 12:37:17 GMT -5
FYI, Steam has the enhanced edition of Baldur's Gate II on sale until 11/4 for $4.99. And then I forget to buy it myself.
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Post by Baron von Costume on Nov 5, 2015 12:55:55 GMT -5
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Post by heroboy on May 18, 2016 10:15:19 GMT -5
So what is the deal with the Siege of Dragonspear DLC, is it good? From what I've heard it is decent. I mean, it's more Baldur's Gate, right? I'll pick it up sooner or later.
It's hard to get real information, though, since most of the conversation is being overshadowed by people complaining about a trans-gendered character (which I guess only comes up once if you choose the right dialogue tree), and everyone else telling them to deal with it.
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Post by pairesta on May 19, 2016 19:19:18 GMT -5
God help me, I've started a new BG game.
It's amazing the muscle memory of playing it. I remembered almost all the hotkeys after just a few minutes of play and hit them instinctively already.
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Post by MrsLangdonAlger on May 19, 2016 21:20:45 GMT -5
God help me, I've started a new BG game. It's amazing the muscle memory of playing it. I remembered almost all the hotkeys after just a few minutes of play and hit them instinctively already. I'm the same way. I never forget exactly how to play BG.
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Post by pairesta on May 26, 2016 16:16:18 GMT -5
Well I'm well underway. It's an 18 year old game and yet it's still so engrossing, moving you from one plotpoint to the next, one area to the next.
I had a fairly bloody start to the game, carving through a few NPCs before landing on a good party. I lost Dynahir (Minsc's witch) and Khalid, but don't really care since they get killed off in the BG2 intro anyways. I also got the new Enhanced Edition monk character killed pretty quickly, continuing to confirm that the D&D monk class sucks. There was somebody else, but I forgot who it was.
I know I should shake it up and play it differently but I can't help kind of landing on the same party every time. I like Minsc, Imoen, and Khivan too much to not have them in the group. I could maybe cut Jaheira loose but I don't remember the full cleric characters being much better.
I do have another new BG enhanced edition character, Neera the Wild Mage with me, and that's a little interesting at least. I couldn't take on the Half-Orc character since everyone in my party warned me specifically about taking him.
I guess i need to do an evil playthrough sometime, since that's most of the NPCs I pass on, but I just can't bring myself to sign on for that long a game with an evil character.
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Post by pairesta on Jun 12, 2016 20:09:00 GMT -5
So I finished it already! That was alot faster than I remember it being. I must have missed alot of side quests. Even the expanded content, like Durlag's Tower, seemed much shorter (I seem to remember slogging it out there for several days, now all told it was probably just a day). I don't like the new cutscenes; not sure why there was a need to redo the old ones. I remember some DLC from before the Enhanced Edition that offered added content, like a "Designer's Cut" of the game with stuff the designers didn't get to for the original release. I'd have thought that would be here, too, but it doesn't appear that it was.
So. I think I'll buy siege of Dragonspear and give that a shot next before tackling the mountain that is BGII. In doing some research on the Siege of Dragonspear there's apparently quite an outcry online about it being too "PC", with a number of MRA-type reviews on Youtube lamasting it. That makes me want to spite-play it now.
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