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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2017 14:59:55 GMT -5
@patrickbatman That headline they used is very misleading. Fair enough; I might quibble that it's only slightly misleading rather than very but I grant that he didn't literally say Europeans are crazy for asking Israel to grant Palestinians human rights. We don't defame human rights abusers in THIS thread.
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Post by Jean-Luc Lemur on Jul 20, 2017 23:18:35 GMT -5
Obviously unconstitutional I feel like this is one where they could cook up some kind of “material support for terrorism” excuse.
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Post by Lord Lucan on Jul 21, 2017 10:34:25 GMT -5
This is 290% a complaint that only applies to anyone dumb enough to browse Twitter on the regular (me) but blithe dismissal of Soviet crimes by folks I otherwise agree with on just about everything really sticks in my craw. If socialism is about extending empathy to and lifting up the suffering of the common people it's pretty fucking shit to punch down at a bunch of murdered peasants because lol communismz is guud prob were rich neoliberal kulaks amirite. It's entirely possible I am too self-serious for a site where irony reigns supreme. You're definitely not too self serious. Free market capitalism has lifted more people out of poverty than any other system invented - across the board socialism/communism/progressivism, whatever they're calling it nowadays - never works, for any people, common or otherwise. Sorry, I'm new to the commie-bashing. Prescinding from considerations of the differing epochs of capitalism, which are dramatic, two brief points: The states in which communism failed never met the productive preconditions for the post-scarcity which is the sine qua non of a communist society. Lenin identified his model for post-revolutionary Russia with the German war economy, or what he called "military-state monopoly capitalism." They were engaged in primitive capital accumulation without bourgeois hegemony. They did not then, at least, pretend they had built anything barely approximating a socialist society. That such a socialist post-scarcity society has yet to emerge is no argument against its possibility. Secondly, scientific socialism is, as Isaac Deutscher had it, "not an arbitrary intellectual construction, but a careful extrapolation and projection into the future of those elements of rational social organization that are inherent in capitalist society but are constantly thwarted and negated by it." The increasingly social character of productive processes are distorted by the antisocial nature of relations of production. Growing material wealth of capitalist societies historically is not an argument for the end of history and progress.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2017 18:33:36 GMT -5
I have news that should unite the thread in panic.
SPERM COUNTS AMOUNG WESTERN MEN HAVE HALVED IN THE LAST 40 YEARS.
Apparently the decline shows no sign of levelling out any time soon.
Discuss!
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Post by ganews on Jul 27, 2017 20:36:48 GMT -5
Some word around the liberal internet campfire these days is an idea for government-guaranteed income. I think there are a lot of good reasons for this, but I can't even imagine how to sell it.
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Post by Lord Lucan on Jul 27, 2017 20:50:19 GMT -5
I have news that should unite the thread in panic. SPERM COUNTS AMOUNG WESTERN MEN HAVE HALVED IN THE LAST 40 YEARS.
Apparently the decline shows no sign of levelling out any time soon. Discuss! Due to 'plastics leach[ing] synthetic estrogren'?
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Post by sarapen on Jul 28, 2017 9:01:49 GMT -5
Some word around the liberal internet campfire these days is an idea for government-guaranteed income. I think there are a lot of good reasons for this, but I can't even imagine how to sell it. It's not just a left wing idea, though. Basic income also has adherents on the right. I believe Nixon was going to experiment with it, for example, before events put a kibosh on it. There are also several experiments going on right now. I know Finland has one running and Ontario is going to be rolling out another basic income experiment later this year.
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Post by Jean-Luc Lemur on Jul 28, 2017 16:05:22 GMT -5
Some word around the liberal internet campfire these days is an idea for government-guaranteed income. I think there are a lot of good reasons for this, but I can't even imagine how to sell it. It's not just a left wing idea, though. Basic income also has adherents on the right. I believe Nixon was going to experiment with it, for example, before events put a kibosh on it. There are also several experiments going on right now. I know Finland has one running and Ontario is going to be rolling out another basic income experiment later this year. IIRC the idea floated during the Nixon era was for a negative income tax, something like the EITC, which was supported by Milton Friedman. The proposal collapsed, I think, in part because conservatives envisioned the negative income tax as a replacement for the regular income tax, whereas Nixon’s policy would have ended up layering the negative income tax on the regular American tax bracket, making it even more progressive. I think the big challenge with basic income is that it often comes with the unspoken (particularly among Silicon Valley types) assumption that it can be a way of mitigating gross inequality without actually addressing it—if enough is redistributed, it doesn’t matter how skewed the Gini coefficient gets from a handful of people pulling away at the top. There’s also the issue of it potentially being a replacement for parts of the welfare state—I think there are definitely aspects that would work better by just giving people cash, like food assistance as opposed to food stamps, but for others it clearly wouldn’t work. Finland’s probably going to be a good example of how to do it because I doubt it will be paired with contractions in the welfare state; for the US I think it depends on who’s proposing it. To me it looks like the big political hurdle seems to be that American voters (wealthier and whiter than the average American) don’t trust people to make their own decisions—you can’t buy alcohol on food stamps, for example, and the various outrages about poor (and especially poor and black) people buying smartphones and such with their own money.
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Post by Jean-Luc Lemur on Jul 29, 2017 18:11:07 GMT -5
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Post by Roy Batty's Pet Dove on Jul 29, 2017 18:36:31 GMT -5
Some word around the liberal internet campfire these days is an idea for government-guaranteed income. I think there are a lot of good reasons for this, but I can't even imagine how to sell it. Isn't the concern among potentially sympathetic, non-libertarian/anti-robber-baron-types that UBI as envisioned by the Zuckerbergs and its even shittier proponents (an appreciation for white supremacy wasn't the only thing Friedman had in common with Charles Murray, as the latter supports a form of UBI as well), that it will just lead to destroying what remains of welfare while ignoring an even more acute concentration of wealth among the ultra-rich like Lemur said, and ignoring the need to raise wages or address the shittiness of the gig economy or to make healthcare, housing, etc. affordable? Clio Chang had a good piece on the issue recently in the New Republic, and it and her recent appearance on Chapo Trap House have admittedly heavily informed my opinions on the issue. And, as Lemur pointed out, in spite of there even being a handful of white supremacists like Murray supporting UBI, the idea of the government giving money to the poor, especially poor minorities, has such great stigma attached to it, that it's quite hard to see it becoming reality anytime in the foreseeable future.
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Post by Desert Dweller on Jul 31, 2017 23:28:03 GMT -5
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Post by Lord Lucan on Jul 31, 2017 23:33:22 GMT -5
This looks very interesting! I look forward to reading it.
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Post by ComradePig on Aug 2, 2017 4:12:57 GMT -5
ARE YOU MAN ENOUGH TO STAND WITH THE TURKMEN PRESIDENT
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Post by Lord Lucan on Aug 3, 2017 21:40:11 GMT -5
Another whose personal malversation, though not war crimes, may have caught up to him: www.haaretz.com/amp/israel-news/1.805112And, fittingly, he's a friend of Trump's, as he pauses to repulsively emphasize.
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Post by Lord Lucan on Aug 5, 2017 20:57:25 GMT -5
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Post by sarapen on Aug 8, 2017 13:58:35 GMT -5
When Britain and France Almost Merged Into One Country I thought this was about the Angevin empire in the Middle Ages but nope, it was about a proposed Franco-British Union after the defeat at Dunkirk which was actually supported by Churchill and De Gaulle. I don't know if it wouldn't have fallen apart like 5 minutes after they signed the paperwork but kind of an interesting counterfactual to consider besides all the Nazi victory ones.
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Post by ganews on Aug 11, 2017 18:01:49 GMT -5
I didn't know this was more than a plot point on The Leftovers.
The comment I saw on it was "Not that it would necessarily stop Trump".
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Post by Lord Lucan on Aug 14, 2017 19:40:17 GMT -5
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Post by Roy Batty's Pet Dove on Aug 14, 2017 21:44:46 GMT -5
I don't know why the strike through. Also, why is this thread in a different section from other politics threads?I believe it was decided that there should be a politics thread for people who can't access the TMI board yet. Also, if you check the BBCode version of your comment, you'll see an 's' in square brackets, which caused the strikethrough which was never cut off by an '/s' in square brackets.
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Post by Lord Lucan on Aug 14, 2017 21:52:42 GMT -5
Thank you, rando.
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Post by Lord Lucan on Aug 14, 2017 22:12:53 GMT -5
Are you concerned that there could be more clandestine and nefarious New Zealanders in the highest levels of your government, oppy all along?
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Post by louiebb on Aug 15, 2017 9:19:48 GMT -5
Hate to bring the back across the Pacific to American politics, but I can't access the TMI board yet, and I'm not gonna spam just to get to 100 posts. There's something that any Michiganders on the board should be aware of though, if they're not already. On Thursday, the election board is going to review language (attached) for a ballot initiative. Its goal is amending the state constitution to require redistricting be done by a non-partisan commission, starting in 2020. If it's approved, the organization behind it has 90 days to get over 300,000 signatures. I'm going to volunteer my time to get them. Never done that before, but gerrymandering is killing fair representation in our state, and I think it's a cause when people from across the political spectrum could get behind supporting ("want to take power back from the politicians in Lansing and Washington?"). So if you're in Michigan, please consider signing the petition, assuming the language passes muster. And please, even out-of-state folks, encourage your Michigan friends and family to get out and vote for this constitutional amendment in 2018. You just know that the entrenched special interests are going to throw their entire arsenal against this movement. Edited: Derp. Whole amendment is too big to attach. Linking to website instead. Be warned: It's 7 pages of legalese. Constitutional amendment proposed language
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2017 14:24:49 GMT -5
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Post by Mars Defense Perimeter on Aug 22, 2017 18:31:32 GMT -5
When Britain and France Almost Merged Into One Country I thought this was about the Angevin empire in the Middle Ages but nope, it was about a proposed Franco-British Union after the defeat at Dunkirk which was actually supported by Churchill and De Gaulle. I don't know if it wouldn't have fallen apart like 5 minutes after they signed the paperwork but kind of an interesting counterfactual to consider besides all the Nazi victory ones. I imagine occupied France would have been even more of a nightmare.
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Post by Judkins Moaner on Aug 26, 2017 14:22:46 GMT -5
So if you're in Michigan, please consider signing the petition, assuming the language passes muster. And please, even out-of-state folks, encourage your Michigan friends and family to get out and vote for this constitutional amendment in 2018. You just know that the entrenched special interests are going to throw their entire arsenal against this movement. Whew! First I've seen this comment, but I signed before I left for Wisconsin! Voters Not Politicians were collecting signatures outside the library and I went ahead and signed based on the lady's pitch before I worried it might be some sort of trick (wouldn't be the first time right wing groups had twisted local idealism to their own purposes). Meant to look them up but never got around to it; glad to hear it's legit and seems to be going ahead.
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Post by Lord Lucan on Aug 26, 2017 16:50:36 GMT -5
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Post by Lord Lucan on Aug 26, 2017 17:33:00 GMT -5
This is Payette from a photo on the Canadian Space Agency website. Seemingly taken in outer space?
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Post by Lord Lucan on Aug 26, 2017 22:32:35 GMT -5
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Post by Mars Defense Perimeter on Aug 27, 2017 12:31:51 GMT -5
This is Payette from a photo on the Canadian Space Agency website. Seemingly taken in outer space? Another proud alumnus of Degrassi Community School. GO PANTHERS!
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