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Post by Jean-Luc Lemur on Aug 1, 2016 11:18:36 GMT -5
The only star trek film that I've seen with no one liking it is insurrection. Just a random thought Nemesis and STID are insultingly, glaringly bad, but Insurrection is almost worse because it's slightly better, just enough to be completely milquetoast. There's nothing worse than being mediocre and bland in every conceivable way. Well The Film That Shall Not Be Named also killed the original film franchise. I like Chuck Sonnenburg’s take on Insurrection: it’s hardly unwatchable, but it’s completely un-re-watchable.
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Post by Douay-Rheims-Challoner on Aug 4, 2016 16:13:20 GMT -5
I liked this best of the reboot films. Somebody in Hollywood really needs to get a handle on the villain situation, though, Trek is up there with Marvel now in terms of superfluous bad guys with nonsensical plans and nonexistent motivations. We really just need a bad guy who isn't so damn scowly. Rewatching First Contact last month put that in perspective - the Borg are a faceless mass, and the Borg Queen may be a bit divisive as an actual concept, but as an antagonist Alice Krige's cosmic detachment and conceptual seduction of Data makes her a more interesting villain than any we've had in a Trek film this century. She's just not that angry. This is one reason I think it wouldn't hurt for the next film to be set in the Mirror Universe - the coldly yet honourably analytical Spock of "Mirror, Mirror" would be an interesting antagonist and it'd provide a way to include George Kirk that doesn't involve time travel (which, admittedly, is more likely.) Or a pure non-personal threat, like the Planet Killer of "The Doomsday Machine" - that episode's scope, with a massive alien machine that consumes entire worlds, seems well suited to the explodey premise of these movies. And so on. |
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Post by Douay-Rheims-Challoner on Aug 25, 2016 6:19:35 GMT -5
Simon Pegg has confirmed that Commodore Paris was named after Tom Paris and is likely a relative. This tracks, oddly enough, with Paris' backstory of being the son of an Admiral who he let down by screwing up, dropping out and (briefly) joining the Maquis - that has family has an even longer record of exemplary Starfleet service just makes sense. Also, Memory Alpha reveals that the thing they helped on the movie with was Spock's pendant gift to Uhura, coming up with its name and also the properties it has which would make it unique to track. (On a personal note I realised I actually used to know - Online, so not that closely, but we did chat on Microsoft Messenger quite often - one of MA's founders. Trek fandom is a small place.) |
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Post by Superb Owl 🦉 on Aug 25, 2016 7:59:26 GMT -5
I liked this best of the reboot films. Somebody in Hollywood really needs to get a handle on the villain situation, though, Trek is up there with Marvel now in terms of superfluous bad guys with nonsensical plans and nonexistent motivations. We really just need a bad guy who isn't so damn scowly. Rewatching First Contact last month put that in perspective - the Borg are a faceless mass, and the Borg Queen may be a bit divisive as an actual concept, but as an antagonist Alice Krige's cosmic detachment and conceptual seduction of Data makes her a more interesting villain than any we've had in a Trek film this century. She's just not that angry. This is one reason I think it wouldn't hurt for the next film to be set in the Mirror Universe - the coldly yet honourably analytical Spock of "Mirror, Mirror" would be an interesting antagonist and it'd provide a way to include George Kirk that doesn't involve time travel (which, admittedly, is more likely.) Or a pure non-personal threat, like the Planet Killer of "The Doomsday Machine" - that episode's scope, with a massive alien machine that consumes entire worlds, seems well suited to the explodey premise of these movies. And so on. The thing that a more detached, calm villain has over the ranting, angry villain is implied confidence in achieving their goals. A villain that starts the movie foaming at the mouth just exacerbates the feeling that we know Kirk, Iron Man, whatever is going to win in the end and this is all pointless. |
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Post by Generic Poster on Aug 25, 2016 8:30:42 GMT -5
We really just need a bad guy who isn't so damn scowly. Rewatching First Contact last month put that in perspective - the Borg are a faceless mass, and the Borg Queen may be a bit divisive as an actual concept, but as an antagonist Alice Krige's cosmic detachment and conceptual seduction of Data makes her a more interesting villain than any we've had in a Trek film this century. She's just not that angry. This is one reason I think it wouldn't hurt for the next film to be set in the Mirror Universe - the coldly yet honourably analytical Spock of "Mirror, Mirror" would be an interesting antagonist and it'd provide a way to include George Kirk that doesn't involve time travel (which, admittedly, is more likely.) Or a pure non-personal threat, like the Planet Killer of "The Doomsday Machine" - that episode's scope, with a massive alien machine that consumes entire worlds, seems well suited to the explodey premise of these movies. And so on. The thing that a more detached, calm villain has over the ranting, angry villain is implied confidence in achieving their goals. A villain that starts the movie foaming at the mouth just exacerbates the feeling that we know Kirk, Iron Man, whatever is going to win in the end and this is all pointless. The fact that this Kirk is an incompetent dullard puts some of the suspense back in. |
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Post by Douay-Rheims-Challoner on Sept 3, 2016 17:29:51 GMT -5
Okay this, finally, is my favourite review of the film. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2016 21:57:56 GMT -5
Okay this, finally, is my favourite review of the film. That was pretty damn brilliant! |
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Post by Logoboros on Sept 6, 2016 13:54:14 GMT -5
So, I just saw this on Saturday at a 4:45 matinee. At 38, I was definitely in the running for youngest person in the audience (of maybe 15-20 people). I know it's in the last days of its theatrical run and everything, but that observation did make me somewhat despair for the future of Star Trek fandom.
As for the movie, I liked it well enough. I little too actiony for my taste -- I wish there had been a few more character conversation scenes (it wouldn't surprise me if Jaylah and Scotty had the most screen time for banter, and that dynamic wasn't doing much for me).
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Post by Douay-Rheims-Challoner on Sept 9, 2016 18:36:09 GMT -5
I know it's in the last days of its theatrical run and everything, but that observation did make me somewhat despair for the future of Star Trek fandom. As I recall this was one of the major concerns about Star Trek Into Darkness - a majority of the viewers were over 25. I guess one can hope the new TV show will introduce a new generation to the franchise, it will at least be available streaming (and in most places, on Netflix) which is said to be favoured by The Youth. |
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