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Post by Jean-Luc Lemur on Mar 25, 2018 17:41:13 GMT -5
1. This guy used Trill spots as a disguise I was afraid this guy would turn out to be Curzon (who had his issues, certainly, but I always imagined him as being more of a George Sanders-type cad than a weirdo lurking around bars). Also I didn’t realize this was a bar on Qo’nos because the bald Klingons still look to me like generic late TNG/DS9 background aliens you’d see whenever they track down some Maquis figure in a bar or something. |
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Post by Desert Dweller on Mar 25, 2018 21:03:08 GMT -5
1. This guy used Trill spots as a disguise I was afraid this guy would turn out to be Curzon (who had his issues, certainly, but I always imagined him as being more of a George Sanders-type cad than a weirdo lurking around bars). Also I didn’t realize this was a bar on Qo’nos because the bald Klingons still look to me like generic late TNG/DS9 background aliens you’d see whenever they track down some Maquis figure in a bar or something. I doubt the writers know who Curzon is. Though it would be like them to just throw the name in, because he's a Trill we've heard of. Regardless of the fact that Curzon wasn't alive at that point. The Discovery writers don't seem to care about continuity at all. They just throw in Trek references because they're there. They don't care if they make sense. This show is written by people who thought it was *clever* that, in the first episode, Georgiou had books on her shelf that had titles of TOS episode. *Stuff that hadn't happened yet*. |
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Post by Lt. Broccoli on Mar 26, 2018 5:16:23 GMT -5
I don’t think the books on the shelf were a writers decision, and if they are unreadable on screen and are never mentioned and have nothing to do with the plot, it’s just a silly joke by the art department. The other shows are full of that stuff. On TNG, if we were meant to take everything in the background seriously, then we would have to assume it exists in the Buckaroo Banzai universe. The giant schematic of the Enterprise-D in engineering has lots of crazy things in it:
“According to the Encyclopedia (3rd ed., p. 291), it included a number of in-jokes, including ‘the official USS Enterprise duck, the ship's mouse, a Porsche, a DC-3 airplane, the Nomad space probe, and the hamster on a treadmill that was alleged to be the true source of power for the ship's warp engines.’”
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Post by Jean-Luc Lemur on Mar 26, 2018 11:12:58 GMT -5
^^^ Also pervy eighties anime. Then Star Trek, Buckaroo Banzai, and Dirty Pair are all in the same universe by this metric.
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Post by Desert Dweller on Mar 27, 2018 0:03:41 GMT -5
I don’t think the books on the shelf were a writers decision, and if they are unreadable on screen and are never mentioned and have nothing to do with the plot, it’s just a silly joke by the art department. The other shows are full of that stuff. On TNG, if we were meant to take everything in the background seriously, then we would have to assume it exists in the Buckaroo Banzai universe. The giant schematic of the Enterprise-D in engineering has lots of crazy things in it: “According to the Encyclopedia (3rd ed., p. 291), it included a number of in-jokes, including ‘the official USS Enterprise duck, the ship's mouse, a Porsche, a DC-3 airplane, the Nomad space probe, and the hamster on a treadmill that was alleged to be the true source of power for the ship's warp engines.’” Fine. What about the Tribble on Lorca's desk? |
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Post by Lt. Broccoli on Mar 27, 2018 5:31:37 GMT -5
I don’t think the books on the shelf were a writers decision, and if they are unreadable on screen and are never mentioned and have nothing to do with the plot, it’s just a silly joke by the art department. The other shows are full of that stuff. On TNG, if we were meant to take everything in the background seriously, then we would have to assume it exists in the Buckaroo Banzai universe. The giant schematic of the Enterprise-D in engineering has lots of crazy things in it: “According to the Encyclopedia (3rd ed., p. 291), it included a number of in-jokes, including ‘the official USS Enterprise duck, the ship's mouse, a Porsche, a DC-3 airplane, the Nomad space probe, and the hamster on a treadmill that was alleged to be the true source of power for the ship's warp engines.’” Fine. What about the Tribble on Lorca's desk? It’s just there, right? It doesn’t do anything and is never mentioned by name. So it’s at least less bad than the one in Into Darkness. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2018 10:28:54 GMT -5
Fine. What about the Tribble on Lorca's desk? It’s just there, right? It doesn’t do anything and is never mentioned by name. So it’s at least less bad than the one in Into Darkness. Into darkness isn't even a bar to clear though, it is the goddamn floor. |
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Post by Prole Hole on Mar 27, 2018 11:33:58 GMT -5
... I still think it's the most defensible of the three Abramsverse movies.
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Post by Lt. Broccoli on Mar 27, 2018 11:57:32 GMT -5
... I still think it's the most defensible of the three Abramsverse movies. DOWNVOTED |
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Post by Prole Hole on Mar 27, 2018 13:31:54 GMT -5
... I still think it's the most defensible of the three Abramsverse movies. DOWNVOTED Yeah yeah I know, it's just me. I didn't say it was good though, just the most defensible. |
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Post by Douay-Rheims-Challoner on Mar 30, 2018 15:06:58 GMT -5
I doubt the writers know who Curzon is. Though it would be like them to just throw the name in, because he's a Trill we've heard of. Regardless of the fact that Curzon wasn't alive at that point. The writing staff includes someone who writes Star Trek Voyager novels for a living (and just had a new one released), in addition to others who have shown a grasp of a lot of specific Trek elements. While that’s obviously not true for all the staff and there’s a number of things one could fairly complain about, basic comprehension of Trek lore is not something Discovery lacks; it’s breaches (like say the Klingon redesign) are intentional rather than by accident; though I will say I don’t care for the redesign because it limits the expressiveness of the actors much more than earlier Klingon looks - by contrast there’s no such fundamental issue in say what the show did to Andorians. Anyway for the record Emony Dax would be the Dax at this point. She visited Earth and had an intimate encounter with McCoy the decade Discovery takes place. It’s never been clear when exactly the Trill joined the Federation - complicated by the major discontinuity between their TNG and DS9 appearances, where they are almost totally unknown to the crew of the Enterprise-D but have been established in the Fed long enough to have an ambassador at Khitomer in the late 23rd century by the time DS9 rolls around, but I would suspect Discovey’s treatment of the Trill - used as a disguise by Section 31, found freely and without remark on the Klingon homeworld - supports the idea they havan’f joined yet.I wonder if we will ever have an episode where they are more than a cameo, and I suspect if we will we are almost certain to have Emony Dax play a role given how the show has yet to see s reference it could use that it did not use. |
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Post by Desert Dweller on Mar 30, 2018 22:01:28 GMT -5
From the dialogue in that scene, it sounds like Yeoh's character thought the Trill was in Starfleet.
You can say that the writers know Trek lore, but I'm not convinced. TOS, VOY, TNG maybe. DS9? I don't know. The EPs of the show don't seem to have. Why else would they go around bragging about how DSC would be totally different for Trek - it would have serialized stories and characters who grow and develop! And by golly, DSC is going to tell a new story about how the Federation ideals stand up against war!
They just had Section 31 recruit someone in a public setting, and imply that Section 31 wears visible black badges. Again, this doesn't strike me as stuff anyone would include if they'd actually seen "Inquisition" or "Inter Arma Enim Silent Leges". I'd buy that they saw the JJ movie with Section 31.
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Post by Lt. Broccoli on Mar 31, 2018 5:12:35 GMT -5
There are several characters in Starfleet whose planets aren’t in the Federation, so I assume that’s not a requirement (Worf, Nog...I know there are some others...)
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Post by Desert Dweller on Mar 31, 2018 17:37:14 GMT -5
Yeah. I'm not sure when they were supposed to have joined. The appearance of the Trill on TNG is presented as nearly a different character. But, even in DS9 S1 they are still arguing over what would be very basic laws governing Trill society. (Can Trill be held responsible for crimes of previous Trill w/same symbiot.) As always, the writers just never thought this one out until it created several continuity issues.
As for non-Federation characters serving in Starfleet, Ro Laren also comes to mind.
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Post by Douay-Rheims-Challoner on Apr 2, 2018 16:47:56 GMT -5
I assumed possible Trill neutrality mostly because of the Trill living on Qo'noS in the middle of a Federation-Klingon War rather than just that scene, which is of course set after the war, but it's possible I'm sure Trill could be a Federation world and yet there are Trills who live on Qo'noS for whatever reason (as there were apparently some humans.) You can say that the writers know Trek lore, but I'm not convinced. TOS, VOY, TNG maybe. DS9? I don't know. The EPs of the show don't seem to have. Why else would they go around bragging about how DSC would be totally different for Trek - it would have serialized stories and characters who grow and develop! That was Akiva Goldman, who, yes, is not a Trek nerd. I'm saying there are writers on staff who know this stuff, which is not the same thing as saying all or most of the writers know this stuff. Ted Sullivan and Kirsten Beyer, particularly, are the ones with Trek bonafides, but I've also seen Bo Yeon Kim talk about her fondness for Dax. There's usually little continuity touches - apparently Empress Georgiou's title including Iaponicus, the Latin for Japan, is an acknowledgement of her predecessor Empress Sato, for example - which speak less of fondness for the series necessarily as much as the writing team just doing their homework, the same way someone might do some reading for a historical drama. Alan van Sprang, who played the Section 31 agent in that scene and will apparently have a large role in season two, has seen the DS9 Section 31 episodes as part of his prep. It's not a lot of work, really, there's only three of them. Roberto Orci was certainly familiar with them before he portrayed Section 31 as a big budget black ops operation with their own giant spaceship in Star Trek Into Darkness. Writers are perfectly capable of having done their research on Section 31 and still misusing it; if they want a sinister flashy spy op operation inside of Starfleet calling the shots, they're probably going to use S31 for that purpose. (Orci definitely portrayed himself as 'the Trek fan' in the team of J.J. Abrams, Alex Kurtzmann and himself, but while that was demonstratably true in that he knew his Geordis from his Janeways, it certainly didn't mean he was a great writer.) |
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Post by Jean-Luc Lemur on Apr 16, 2018 14:45:55 GMT -5
Discovery is very goofy, and the darker it gets the goofier it becomes. And its use of Trek lore—really, “lore” seems a better word than continuity—is one of the goofiest things about it.
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Post by Hachiman on Jan 27, 2019 20:59:11 GMT -5
Okay, so in the Short Treks we learn about Saru and his history. That he uses a radio he found, makes contact with Georgiou, and she takes him off planet despite his species being pre-warp. But in this last episode The crew meets someone after following their radio signal and happily leave him behind since he is pre-warp and have to follow their proto-Prime Directive I know the show's writers have some freedom to play with the continuity and lore or Star Trek, but can they at least have the good sense to be consistent in their own show? |
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Post by Hachiman on Feb 3, 2019 21:08:56 GMT -5
In today's episode the crew meets an Alien intelligence, verify that it is in fact intelligent, and promptly tell it to fuck off rather than trying to discuss what it wants. This is especially maddening since we know Stamets has encountered intelligence in the spore network and that entity has provided him with important information, but completely discounts anything of value the second entity may have to say. This show is suffering from a lack of interest in the soft sciences. Burnham is supposed to be a xenobiologist, but they never have her do anything with it. They need a Daniel Jackson type who is interested in the communication and cultural study parts of exploration. Maybe a xenolinguist, like Uhura (but not Uhura!) to talk to the aliens they meet. There are times when the show is just too technocratic for me. The spirit of exploration and social progress isn't just the application of math and moving technology forward but trying to learn more about the nature of the universe, which the show is not interested in doing. |
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Post by Desert Dweller on Feb 11, 2019 5:27:36 GMT -5
I've now watched the first four episodes. I agree with hachiman's point above about the technocratic nature of the show. It actually quite weirdly focuses on technobabble quite often. Like, it doesn't just use technobabble as a complement to scenes. Instead it is actually the point of the scenes. And the characters are all thrilled with tech! And it's kinda weird, even for Star Trek.
I keep hoping that this Red Angel story will have a much more personal story to tell, and teach them something about the universe, and maybe balance this out somehow. But, I don't know...
That second episode seemed to be going well, but I didn't understand the ending. They tell this guy "Yeah, you're totally right about everything, but we're just going to leave you here with these luddites who don't know anything. Bye!"
The 3rd episode was a dumpster fire. My God, it was terrible. I can't even describe how ridiculous that entire Klingon plot is. Describing the history of the character Voq/ASh Tyler.... I mean, a genuine soap opera character would think his story is ridiculous. (Which I can say with certainty as I've watched -and enjoyed!- quite a few soaps over the years.) And I just can't with this Section 31 nonsense. I want the show to tell me why Michelle Yeoh's character is interested in working for an organization which exists to protect the ideals of the Federation.
The 4th episode was better, though I thought the Saru and Burnham scene was emotionally manipulative. Those two characters don't have a relationship that earns those scenes. I at least like the direction of Saru as a character, even though I mostly hated that one scene. I did mostly like the rest of the big red sphere story. It featured a terrific scene where the Universal Translator malfunctioned. This was very cool, except Saru solved the problem in about 2 minutes, which made it all anti-climactic. Also, I must say that Burnham knowing everything about everything all the time is starting to grate on me. The B-story wasn't great, and Tilly is now starting to annoy me. but I'm hoping it will advance the plot in a better way. Stamets has been kind of useless as a character so far this season. Hoping he'll now become more involved.
Overall, this season of Discovery is better than Season 1, but it still isn't great. The writing continues to be a major problem. The characters don't yet seem fully fleshed out. I still get the sense that the show is written on notecards with plot points, and the writers don't too much care if how they get from plot point to plot point makes any sense. This was a MUCH bigger problem in Season 1, but I still feel it in Season 2.
But, I do think the character work is improved in Season 2, and the plotting is not quite so convoluted.
I continue to mostly like the cast, and the show looks really good. We'll see how it goes.
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Post by Prole Hole on Feb 11, 2019 9:01:25 GMT -5
Season 2 is a definite improvement, but the show is still hovering around Dark Matter in terms of its overall quality and execution - watchable, largely entertaining, but never more than the sum of its parts. The most recent episode was a perfect example - they
come across this amazing life-form with a hundred thousand years worth of knowledge
but there's absolutely no sense of wonder in it at all. It's just described factually, dealt with, then we move on. It's still the thing I think is most missing from Discovery - everything's just so flat. Say what you will about The Orville, but even if it is derivative (and it certainly is) it's able to communicate genuine love and enthusiasm and, well, wonder about the thrills of exploring space. That's just completely absent in Discovery. I'm also fed up with Star Trek's straightforward inability to move forward. Again, say what you will about Voyager's variable charms (and I've written two books defending the show), but at least it attempted something new. Ever since, all Star Trek can do is look back over its shoulder - first the prequel Enterprise, then the TOS-set Abramsverse, now Discovery. There's a reluctance to move forward that feels so antithetical to what Star Trek is meant to be. I know its a million different things to a million different people but "static" is surely not one of those things? Even the idea of the new Picard show doesn't thill me - sure it's set in the "future" and of course it will be lovely to have more Picard and Stewart, but it's the same old thing - a solid, retrograde reluctance to do something new when they can just re-tread what's be done before. It frustrates me no end, and that, ultimately, is why Star Trek just isn't doing it for me at the moment. |
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Post by Lt. Broccoli on Feb 11, 2019 16:18:23 GMT -5
I thought maybe Lorca's reference to Elon Musk meant that maybe he was one of Earth's great scientists only in the Mirror Universe, but no, Tilly went to Musk Junior High.
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Post by Hachiman on Feb 11, 2019 21:23:20 GMT -5
I thought maybe Lorca's reference to Elon Musk meant that maybe he was one of Earth's great scientists only in the Mirror Universe, but no, Tilly went to Musk Junior High. And no reference to their mascot, which would have to be the Musk Oxen? Someone as awkward as Tilly would totally drop a "Go Musk Oxen!" while referencing some school they went to. This show can be so damn humorless. |
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Post by Hachiman on Feb 17, 2019 22:02:36 GMT -5
This last episode was another oddity. Other people have talked about this, but I am a little bugged by how prominent Section 31 is in this show. So that's the first gripe. The second is that, once again, they make an amazing discovery, this time concerning the mycellial network (specifically how the spore drive is interacting with it and the intelligence of the fungi) and there is no sense of wonder or re-appraisal. The final gripe is how they explained bringing back Dr. Culber. I read somewhere else that they basically did the same miracle technology hand-waving that they did for Spock in Star Trek III, but why would the writers want to crib from one of the most unpopular movies? The spores recomposed Culber's body and consciousness based on some DNA? Maybe the body I could accept, but the consciousness and memory as well? I know similar theories exist for how transporters operate but at least the transporters need an entire object for transporting, not a single cell.
Considering that the mycellial network was also supposed to be interdimensional as well and we were told last season that the mirror universe's experiment was also killing it, there didn't seem to be any comment on that this this episode nor comment on any other realities messing with it. That would have been an interesting direction, maybe the spores wanted to study Tilly so they could wipe out anyone in these other realities that keeps messing with them. And then the plot could have focused on talking them down and figuring out a way to permanently close the network to everyone without some key that the spores get to keep. That would have been an interesting story and would have helped explain away the spore drive's eventual disappearance. This is all to say the writers left better options on the table. |
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Post by Prole Hole on Feb 18, 2019 8:05:23 GMT -5
I just want to go on record as to how much I hate Ash Tyler. He's like the worst aspects of Wesley, Rom, Harry and Mayweather all rolled into one. Simply terrible, and every time he appears on screen the whole show crashes to a stop. Awful.
The problem, I think, with the inclusion of Section 31 is that Discovery seems to think they are really cool, what with their fancypants black combadges (that somehow everyone knows about, despite them being a clandestine organisation) and running around being all secret and whatnot. Which is the opposite of what Section 31 should be. They're not there to be cool, they should exist to challenge or hold a mirror up to the Federation and its ideals and use that mirror to interrogate them - ideally we should find them contemptible, really, the opposite of what the Federation stands for. They're not Space James Bond they're Space The Stasi. It's (yet) another reason that despite how fantastic Michelle Yeoh is I have little to no interest in watching the Section 31 show because I have no faith in them getting that difference. I have many problems with DS9 but at least they understood how Section 31 should be used.
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Post by Desert Dweller on Feb 24, 2019 18:48:37 GMT -5
I have reached the conclusion that the writing for Discovery is just simply bad. It isn't any particular writer. And it doesn't seem to matter who the showrunner is.
Since Ash Tyler was mentioned.... I mean, wtf? That character makes zero sense. Try to actually describe that character's story up until now. It is ridiculous.
These writers seem to just love bait and switch. It often feels like the whole point of episodes is some trick reveal. They seem to delight in having a lot of buildup and generating artificial tension, just to say "Aha! It is this other thing" which is inevitably disappointing.
I also hate the way the show seems designed around moving from plot point to plot point, regardless of whether it even makes sense for the characters to be making these decisions. I have never shaken the sensation that the show is written on storyboards and then the writers concoct ways to get the characters from one board to the other.
And I don't understand why they stuff so much into the episodes. They all feel overstuffed. Then the show magically has the characters resolve everything at the end.
All of this results in me frequently liking the first half of episodes, and then being quite disappointed with the back half of the episodes.
These last two episodes.... yeesh, I thought these were a mess. Often I actually enjoy the concept of the episode but kinda hate the way they execute it. I feel like there was a much more interesting story to tell with Saru and his people, but the show decided, "Hey, let's just start a war!" and so that happened instead.
And yes, the way they are using Section 31 is mystifying and feels wrong. What is even the point of this organization? It feels like they should be an antagonist, but no one on the show really treats them that way. Why do we need them to save the day? Why can't our own characters do that? (And yes, I realize that one of my biggest complaints is that the main characters feel like superheros who can do everything, but still.) Do the writers even have a concept of what Section 31 is? I can't tell anymore.
Sigh. I am still watching because it has Star Trek in the title. And I keep feeling like this has potential to be a good show. I just now feel like this likely won't be a good show until it replaces literally ALL of the writers.
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Post by Hachiman on Feb 24, 2019 20:04:22 GMT -5
Sigh. I am still watching because it has Star Trek in the title. And I keep feeling like this has potential to be a good show. I just now feel like this likely won't be a good show until it replaces literally ALL of the writers. This is me at this moment. It has Star Trek in the title. There's not a lot else on that I am watching at the moment, so that helps too. But the writing is terrible. This last episode just shit all over the Prime Directive and made that episode where they went to New Eden and left that human guy behind feel even more cruel and hypocritical. The Kelpian twist also made no sense in light of the mirror episodes from Season 1. If the Kelpians weren't actually a prey species, why were they being eaten in the Mirror Universe? I mean, I know not everything in the mirror universe is totally opposite, but that struck me as weird since apparently they aren't actually being eaten. Technologyis an issue as well. They also had a computer translator in the last episode which made Uhuru working as a translator seem really weird. Remember the radio room with all the translators in the 2009 Star Trek movie? They didn't have those little computers apparently! But more than that, the Trek series set further in the future explored how access to that kind of technology would change us and how it would free us to be better people and how conflict would still occur despite all of that technology. In this show, they have all the technology to solve their problems but they are still a bunch of jerks. The characters in focus are almost all terrible. There is so much focus on Michael, but she is just a boring character and so they keep giving her these manufactured personal conflicts which are all boring. Maybe Sonequa Martin-Green is a great actress, but I feel like she only has about three faces on this show. She is either sad because she feels guilt or sympathy, stoic and confident, or her once-a-season actually being happy. The bridge crew actually seems interesting, too, so its even more of a shame that we never learn more about them. I don't give a shit about meeting Spock or where he is. And I am tired of each episode dragging out his name. Finally, and this is partially about Spock but really everything about this show, I hate how little they are trying to do anything new or explore anything old. Even if we kept the time period, there is interesting stuff they could do. Its a big galaxy and Starfleet is a big organization. You mean to tell me there are no interesting officers other than Pike? You mean to tell me that aren't other species we could meet or have on the crew, which aside from Saru and the robot Lady, are all seemingly human? Could we maybe throw in an Andorian or a Tellarite or an Orion or something? Enterprise had huge problems but they fleshed out these species from the original series. DS9 had a lot of criticism but they introduced a ton of new ideas like section 31 and they were the first to revisit the Mirror Universe. There is a ton of unexplored territory that Discovery could have gone in. For example, what do we really know about the Tholians? Surely they could have been the antagonists for Season 1? And it would even explain how a century later the Federation barely talks to them and stays the hell out of their territory. This show is just so frustrating. I might have to bail. Trek or not. |
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Post by Desert Dweller on Feb 25, 2019 0:41:27 GMT -5
Sigh. I am still watching because it has Star Trek in the title. And I keep feeling like this has potential to be a good show. I just now feel like this likely won't be a good show until it replaces literally ALL of the writers. This is me at this moment. It has Star Trek in the title. There's not a lot else on that I am watching at the moment, so that helps too. But the writing is terrible. This last episode just shit all over the Prime Directive and made that episode where they went to New Eden and left that human guy behind feel even more cruel and hypocritical. The Kelpian twist also made no sense in light of the mirror episodes from Season 1. If the Kelpians weren't actually a prey species, why were they being eaten in the Mirror Universe? I mean, I know not everything in the mirror universe is totally opposite, but that struck me as weird since apparently they aren't actually being eaten. The characters in focus are almost all terrible. There is so much focus on Michael, but she is just a boring character and so they keep giving her these manufactured personal conflicts which are all boring. Maybe Sonequa Martin-Green is a great actress, but I feel like she only has about three faces on this show. She is either sad because she feels guilt or sympathy, stoic and confident, or her once-a-season actually being happy. The bridge crew actually seems interesting, too, so its even more of a shame that we never learn more about them. I don't give a shit about meeting Spock or where he is. And I am tired of each episode dragging out his name. This show is just so frustrating. I might have to bail. Trek or not.
I just can't with people who tell me "it is serialized! You just have to wait to see the resolution". Um, no. I saw the resolution of Season 1. It sucked. And even if the resolution to Season 2 is great, it doesn't change the fact that the Klingon episode was terrible, individual episode plots don't make internal sense, and the manufactured tension with Spock is ridiculous!
And yes, I still can't wrap my head around this last episode and the way it resolved. So the Kelpians nearly wiped these aliens out of existence, which is why these guys are duping the Kelpians now. So the solution is.... to weaponize the Kelpians to attack them, and then be surprised when the aliens try to blow all the Kelpians away? And then Section 31 has to come save us? WTF? And they just hand waive this as somehow not a violation of the Prime Directive, while helping that guy in New Eden was something that Pike agonized over because it was a violation of the Prime Directive. And then THEY JUST LEAVE.
I just don't understand this at all.
The previous episode had all this crazy tension in it about saving Tilly. My God, they actually pretended like she was dead at the beginning. Like, one week after pretending Saru was going to do. And we have to stop the monster! Who isn't really a monster. Oh, but Culber's not real, we can't actually bring him back. Aw, sorry Stamets. But wait! We'll technobabble the crap out of it until no one can understand us anymore and voila! He's really alive! Y'all, we're so sorry we pointlessly killed a gay character last season! See, don't be mad at us anymore! And Section 31 will save us!
And also, the magic sphere gives us all the information we need. And no, that isn't Spock on that other ship. Again. And Again. and Again.
Being serialized doesn't mean you have a license to be nonsensical. My God, LOST made more sense than this.
Edited to add: I was gonna do a rant about the weak characters but I'll just say that we are 21 episodes into Discovery and the characters all feel weak.
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Post by Prole Hole on Feb 25, 2019 6:49:08 GMT -5
I bailed on this week's episode after about ten minutes because it was so dull and fast-forwarded to the last five minutes, which elucidated nothing. That's the first time I've actively just given up on an episode - after ten minutes I thought, "you know, Salamander Warp Babies would really brighten this episode up" but there's no danger of anything that interesting (!) happening so just chucked it. Just so incredibly dreary and predictable, and I dislike the change to Saru's character in Season Two (apart from the ganglia thing I mean, which is in itself a crap idea). In Season One he had a genuinely different perspective which was written towards, whereas in Season Two he's just become a bit sarcastic, which is not to the benefit of the show. Eh. I'm with Desert Dweller - serialisation is not an excuse for incoherence. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2019 11:22:31 GMT -5
I never ended up watching anything after the season 2 premiere..... guess I made the right choice(I didn't really choose to not watch it, more like it was apathy). And Desert Dweller as for the people who tell you "it is serialized, just wait", they can fuck off. The best serialized series can still on an episode by episode basis tell great stories as well as move forward with the overall arc. LOST did it, Sopranos did it, The Wire, Breaking Bad, etc. etc. I hate people who excuse shows, it isn't just about the destination, it is about the journey as well. It is on the show to keep putting forth a reason for people to watch it week in and week out, especially when unlike Netflix, they release the episodes one at a time. |
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Post by Hachiman on Mar 3, 2019 19:50:28 GMT -5
I had a whole rant, but I will just say that this last episode sucked and I want to be a rich Hollywood writer since I think I could write something better than this.
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