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Post by pairesta on Jun 3, 2016 16:41:05 GMT -5
I have a rotisserie. Hopefully you told her I wasn't a novice . hahahaha I should have known! I am madly in love with eggplant, but having just written to her asking if she has a side of choice with doner, may I suggest bulgur pilaf, especially if you can find any decent tomatoes? Oh, and of course a ton of good pita, but that goes without saying. For eggplant, you can either go the imam bayildi route or you could take a shot at making baba ghanoush. The Turkish word for baba ghanoush is "patlican salatasi" (patlican = eggplant [pronounced paht-li-JOHN], salatasi = salad, that word's derived from the French) I made both baba ghanoush and a bulgur salad with tomatoes just a few weeks back for a middle-eastern type meal I did, so I want to branch out and do something different or this meal will seem too much like that one.
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Post by Powerthirteen on Jun 3, 2016 16:45:38 GMT -5
Thanks for all this. Last night I dug out the No Reservations episode for Istanbul and watched it with my daughter to give us ideas. I almost talked her into the lahmacun but she balked at the mention of peppers, plus all the greenery they were putting on it as garnish. Then she saw the part where he went to whatever the Turkish equivalent of a shwarma stand is. "THAT. I want that." So we're locked in I guess. What would the marinade flavors for the lamb be? Just use the salt, pulverized onion, lemon mix you mention above, or something else? Here's what Mom says: "Well, of all the things they could have picked! Here is what I suggest: Buy good quality lamb or a mixture of lamb and veal. I am NOT talking about ground meat! Make sure it is not very lean. Well-marbled meat is important. The flavor comes from the fat. In fact, most doner spits do have added tail fat. Slice the meat thinly. Grate onion. It will be liquidy--that's OK. Marinade the sliced meat with olive oil, onion and onion juice, garlic, allspice, black pepper, thyme, paprika and to taste, red pepper. Marinade overnight in the fridge, wrapped under Saran wrap. The next day, get the slices out, separate them and sprinkle all with salt. Then, if they have a spit/rotisserie, thread/stack the meat onto the spit tightly, to form the typical sausage-like shape. Grill, rotating the spit at regular intervals. A good idea: keep a disposable metal pan or any metal pan under the spit and place pita bread in the pan to catch some of the drippings for extra flavor. Then get the spit off the fire when done, shave thin slices going longitudinally, and serve inside the prepared pita bread. Slice red onions thinly, sprinkle with fresh chopped parsley and sumac and garnish the meat with the onion combo. You can add sliced fresh tomatoes too. If you don't want to eat it as a sandwich, you can serve on a bed of nice rice (maybe with sliced almonds inside). You can easily turn it into Iskender by placing the meat on top of the pita, pouring garlic yogurt sauce on top and then drizzling with a butter/tomato paste/red pepper sauce. If they don't have a spit/rotisserie, they will have to fry the individual meat pieces in a skillet. They need to be sure not to burn/toughen the meat. Not ideal but without a spit, that's what you have to do. Don't crowd the skillet as the meat may get liquidy. This is probably the toughest thing for a novice to make because of the equipment needed. In fact, it is typically restaurant fare. If it were up to me, I'd go with shish kofte or Adana kofte (spicier version) which could be made with ground lamb and would not require a rotisserie. Does this help? There may also be English language recipes if they looked under "doner kebap"." Also, this sounds functionally identical to what Canadians like to call donairs, so you may be doing a cultural double-dip here. Donairs are very popular in Canada.
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Post by pairesta on Jun 3, 2016 16:48:07 GMT -5
Here's what Mom says: "Well, of all the things they could have picked! Here is what I suggest: Buy good quality lamb or a mixture of lamb and veal. I am NOT talking about ground meat! Make sure it is not very lean. Well-marbled meat is important. The flavor comes from the fat. In fact, most doner spits do have added tail fat. Slice the meat thinly. Grate onion. It will be liquidy--that's OK. Marinade the sliced meat with olive oil, onion and onion juice, garlic, allspice, black pepper, thyme, paprika and to taste, red pepper. Marinade overnight in the fridge, wrapped under Saran wrap. The next day, get the slices out, separate them and sprinkle all with salt. Then, if they have a spit/rotisserie, thread/stack the meat onto the spit tightly, to form the typical sausage-like shape. Grill, rotating the spit at regular intervals. A good idea: keep a disposable metal pan or any metal pan under the spit and place pita bread in the pan to catch some of the drippings for extra flavor. Then get the spit off the fire when done, shave thin slices going longitudinally, and serve inside the prepared pita bread. Slice red onions thinly, sprinkle with fresh chopped parsley and sumac and garnish the meat with the onion combo. You can add sliced fresh tomatoes too. If you don't want to eat it as a sandwich, you can serve on a bed of nice rice (maybe with sliced almonds inside). You can easily turn it into Iskender by placing the meat on top of the pita, pouring garlic yogurt sauce on top and then drizzling with a butter/tomato paste/red pepper sauce. If they don't have a spit/rotisserie, they will have to fry the individual meat pieces in a skillet. They need to be sure not to burn/toughen the meat. Not ideal but without a spit, that's what you have to do. Don't crowd the skillet as the meat may get liquidy. This is probably the toughest thing for a novice to make because of the equipment needed. In fact, it is typically restaurant fare. If it were up to me, I'd go with shish kofte or Adana kofte (spicier version) which could be made with ground lamb and would not require a rotisserie. Does this help? There may also be English language recipes if they looked under "doner kebap"." Also, this sounds functionally identical to what Canadians like to call donairs, so you may be doing a cultural double-dip here. Donairs are very popular in Canada. Well, they are called doner kebabs. In my further research, another site claims that they are a favorite "German food" also.
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Post by Ron Howard Voice on Jun 3, 2016 16:50:52 GMT -5
Powerthirteen pairesta yeah I think there's a whole Berlin style of doner kebab that's distinct? not sure. More from Mom: "Here is a Turkish video which shows the marinading process: www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwXoqwqxCQgPlease note that he has a bowl of milk and grated onion mixture that he is putting on the already spiced meat slices. The video right after that shows how the meat is sliced and all. That's a long video. I didn't watch all of it. By the way, when I said "novice," I meant novice for their first foray into Turkish cuisine."
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Post by pairesta on Jun 4, 2016 10:22:28 GMT -5
Just got back from Phoenicia. Forgot artichokes and favas to make the other side with, but I have eggplants, tomatoes, and onion to make the imam bayildi. I'll make a yogurt/cucumber/dill salad thing on the side too. While we were there, one of the bakery women flagged us down. "Your daughter is so beautiful. Please take this. It's fresh." And she handed her a warm pita right off the conveyer belt. My daughter turned bright red. Also when we were leaving the store, she mugged and said "Bye, Phoenicia!" I think I'll keep her.
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Post by Ron Howard Voice on Jun 4, 2016 10:36:54 GMT -5
Also when we were leaving the store, she mugged and said "Bye, Phoenicia!"
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Post by pairesta on Jun 4, 2016 11:27:14 GMT -5
So I bought lamb shoulder with all kinds of good fat nuggets in it. Normally I trim those off but I left them on, cut it against the grain, and then pounded it flat. I also got some beef top round slices to mix in.
Marinade: everything you said, plus some haivar I bought. I couldn't resist. It just smelled like it needed it. It smells insane. So the meat's in the marinade until tomorrow afternoon. I am really excited.
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Post by Ron Howard Voice on Jun 4, 2016 12:31:58 GMT -5
So I bought lamb shoulder with all kinds of good fat nuggets in it. Normally I trim those off but I left them on, cut it against the grain, and then pounded it flat. I also got some beef top round slices to mix in. Marinade: everything you said, plus some haivar I bought. I couldn't resist. It just smelled like it needed it. It smells insane. So the meat's in the marinade until tomorrow afternoon. I am really excited. *gets in car*
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Post by WKRP Jimmy Drop on Jun 4, 2016 18:46:17 GMT -5
Just got back from Phoenicia. Forgot artichokes and favas to make the other side with, but I have eggplants, tomatoes, and onion to make the imam bayildi. I'll make a yogurt/cucumber/dill salad thing on the side too. While we were there, one of the bakery women flagged us down. "Your daughter is so beautiful. Please take this. It's fresh." And she handed her a warm pita right off the conveyer belt. My daughter turned bright red. Also when we were leaving the store, she mugged and said "Bye, Phoenicia!" I think I'll keep her. Just thought you might like to know that since I don't know what Phonencia you're referring to, I'm reading this whole thing as you taking your daughter to and shopping in the pre-Christian Mediterranean era.
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Post by pairesta on Jun 5, 2016 20:21:22 GMT -5
Okay. So the eggplant got made early in the day and then sat out at room temp all day to develop. Grated some cucumber and stirred it into plain yogurt, lemon juice, dill, and sour cream for a "salad". Since my daughter hadn't helped much, this was where I turned things over to her: peeling the cukes, then grating them. As with any novice with a grater, she hit a fingertip and started bleeding. My daughter is a huge weenie: she runs inside sobbing if she gets so much as a mosquito bite. Yet she powered through the grater injury, waiting until she was done to put a bandaid on the bleeding wound, and didn't even reference it again. She seems proud of her first cooking injury.
The doner kebap marinated in a mix of onion, garlic, olive oil, sumac, oregano, paprika, lemon juice, allspice, and roasted pepper spread (haivar). It smelled glorious coming out of the fridge. I threaded it onto my rotisserie, then dumped it all off and re-threaded it, folding each meat piece in half before skewering it, since the original version was too rough and uneven looking. That was a huge difference. After just 20 minutes on the fire, the kebap looked great: browned and crisped at all the tips. At just under an hour I pulled it. It was still under, browned at the tips but mid-rare at the center. 20 more minutes probably would have doen it. But otherwise, it was full of big, satisfying flavors and it was hard to stop eating.
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Post by Baron von Costume on Jun 6, 2016 9:25:50 GMT -5
Okay. So the eggplant got made early in the day and then sat out at room temp all day to develop. Grated some cucumber and stirred it into plain yogurt, lemon juice, dill, and sour cream for a "salad". Since my daughter hadn't helped much, this was where I turned things over to her: peeling the cukes, then grating them. As with any novice with a grater, she hit a fingertip and started bleeding. My daughter is a huge weenie: she runs inside sobbing if she gets so much as a mosquito bite. Yet she powered through the grater injury, waiting until she was done to put a bandaid on the bleeding wound, and didn't even reference it again. She seems proud of her first cooking injury. The doner kebap marinated in a mix of onion, garlic, olive oil, sumac, oregano, paprika, lemon juice, allspice, and roasted pepper spread (haivar). It smelled glorious coming out of the fridge. I threaded it onto my rotisserie, then dumped it all off and re-threaded it, folding each meat piece in half before skewering it, since the original version was too rough and uneven looking. That was a huge difference. After just 20 minutes on the fire, the kebap looked great: browned and crisped at all the tips. At just under an hour I pulled it. It was still under, browned at the tips but mid-rare at the center. 20 more minutes probably would have doen it. But otherwise, it was full of big, satisfying flavors and it was hard to stop eating. What, you mean you didn't buy a specialized power shaver to take off the top layer and let the meat underneath keep grilling? Sounds great though, I may have to try that someday if I get a new grill at some point that has a rotisserie.
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Post by Liz n Dicksgiving on Jun 6, 2016 12:18:40 GMT -5
"Imam bayildi is fantastic and not that hard at all. The trick is lots of onions, lots of garlic, lots of parsley and some sugar in the stuff that goes inside the eggplant. But the bigger issue is buying decent eggplant -- not those torpedoes at the store. Those things are loaded with seeds inside. I mean, sure, they are going to carve the "innards" out but how many "boats" can you make with those torpedoes???" I have a pretty cool mom. This has been a magnificently educational and delicious-sounding thread, but I think my favorite takeaway from all of it is that your mother is an appropriately badass vegetable snob. Give her a fist bump for me.
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Post by 🔪 silly buns on Jul 31, 2016 18:25:16 GMT -5
So, I'm thinking of making pralines. Any tips?
Has anyone heard of adding Worchester sauce?
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Post by Pedantic Editor Type on Aug 3, 2016 9:38:22 GMT -5
So, I'm thinking of making pralines. Any tips?
Has anyone heard of adding Worchester sauce?
I have never made pralines, but I think a drop or two of Worcestershire sauce would add a little bit of salty-umami flavor, if that's what you're looking for.
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Post by songstarliner on Aug 15, 2016 14:31:22 GMT -5
What kind of meatballs should I make with this ground beef?
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Post by pairesta on Aug 15, 2016 15:19:15 GMT -5
What kind of meatballs should I make with this ground beef? Like, do you want to do standard Italian or something else? Is there a cuisine you're craving? You could do them with Spanish flavors, or Middle Eastern, or Moroccan . . .
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Post by songstarliner on Aug 15, 2016 15:29:56 GMT -5
What kind of meatballs should I make with this ground beef? Like, do you want to do standard Italian or something else? Is there a cuisine you're craving? You could do them with Spanish flavors, or Middle Eastern, or Moroccan . . . Something besides Italian. I mean, I know I can wing it, but I thought I'd throw it out there in case someone had an awesome recipe to recommend.
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Post by Liz n Dicksgiving on Aug 15, 2016 15:51:59 GMT -5
Something besides Italian. I mean, I know I can wing it, but I thought I'd throw it out there in case someone had an awesome recipe to recommend. Well, if you're just looking for an awesome meatball recipe, these Sweet and Sour Potluck Meatballs from The New Midwestern Table are the best non-Italian meatballs I've ever head. That said, the recipe's for pork, so I don't know how much this helps you right now.
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Post by pairesta on Aug 15, 2016 16:15:13 GMT -5
Like, do you want to do standard Italian or something else? Is there a cuisine you're craving? You could do them with Spanish flavors, or Middle Eastern, or Moroccan . . . Something besides Italian. I mean, I know I can wing it, but I thought I'd throw it out there in case someone had an awesome recipe to recommend. My mom used to make a good ol' 1970s meatball stroganoff and it's to this day one of my favorite comfort food recipes. Simmer meatballs in cream of mushroom soup. Right before serving, add a few spoonfuls of sour cream. Boom, that's it. Serve on egg noodles.
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Post by songstarliner on Aug 15, 2016 19:50:03 GMT -5
I made these gochujang meatballs and they were good. Thatsa spicy meatball!
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Post by Tellyfier on Aug 16, 2016 2:02:33 GMT -5
Also, this sounds functionally identical to what Canadians like to call donairs, so you may be doing a cultural double-dip here. Donairs are very popular in Canada. Well, they are called doner kebabs. In my further research, another site claims that they are a favorite "German food" also. This is very true, it's like Curry in England. Also it's correctly spelled Döner Kebap. (and no, this Umlaut is not our doing, the Turkish language uses even more Umlaute than German)
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Post by 🔪 silly buns on Aug 21, 2016 17:30:32 GMT -5
So, I'm thinking of making pralines. Any tips?
Has anyone heard of adding Worchester sauce?
So my mom didn't add worchester sauce, she toasted the pecans. That's what must have given it the savory flavor. They turned out okay, but I shouldn't have added the baking soda...or maybe I toasted the pecans too much. I hope to save the weird flavor by adding them to some homemade ice cream.
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Post by pairesta on Sept 4, 2016 16:19:03 GMT -5
So for September, my daughter picked . . . >sigh< . . . Australia for us to cook a meal from. So, anybody on these boards from Australia? What are the big, must have dishes from there?
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Post by 🔪 silly buns on Sept 4, 2016 21:42:02 GMT -5
So for September, my daughter picked . . . >sigh< . . . Australia for us to cook a meal from. So, anybody on these boards from Australia? What are the big, must have dishes from there? ::paging oppy all along to the food thread::
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Post by oppy all along on Sept 4, 2016 22:32:53 GMT -5
So for September, my daughter picked . . . >sigh< . . . Australia for us to cook a meal from. So, anybody on these boards from Australia? What are the big, must have dishes from there? Put a bunch of sausages, chops and patties on the barbeque grill, serve with white bread, ketchup, and beer. Ours is not a sophisticated culinary culture. Alternatives include damper (outdoorsy scones), ANZAC biscuits and Thai food.
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Post by heroboy on Sept 9, 2016 15:54:35 GMT -5
So for September, my daughter picked . . . >sigh< . . . Australia for us to cook a meal from. So, anybody on these boards from Australia? What are the big, must have dishes from there? Vegemite sandwich?
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Post by pairesta on Sept 9, 2016 16:13:55 GMT -5
So for September, my daughter picked . . . >sigh< . . . Australia for us to cook a meal from. So, anybody on these boards from Australia? What are the big, must have dishes from there? Vegemite sandwich?
I mean, i gotta try vegemite, yeah? At this point I'm thinking "pub food": meat pies, salt and pepper calamari, and one other thing.
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Post by pairesta on Oct 3, 2016 20:15:03 GMT -5
For October's cooking project my daughter picked . . . Iran! I'm pretty excited. So you all know the drill: hit me with any favorite Persian recipes or flag down a poster who is Iranian.
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Post by GumTurkeyles on Oct 4, 2016 6:10:11 GMT -5
For October's cooking project my daughter picked . . . Iran! I'm pretty excited. So you all know the drill: hit me with any favorite Persian recipes or flag down a poster who is Iranian. Iran? But Iran so far away! I'll talk to my girlfriend to see if there's any shared dishes between Lebanon and Iran, and if she knows them. I'll just assume you'll need pomegranate molasses and eggplant.
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Post by songstarliner on Oct 7, 2016 15:07:53 GMT -5
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