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Post by Lone Locust of the Apocalypse on Dec 16, 2016 18:59:17 GMT -5
I dunno guys, I just wasn't feeling it. - Either the movie just isn't very good or I just wasn't in the right mood for it, but I was distracted throughout pretty much the entire thing. The 3D didn't make things much better. It was unfocused and it was clear by the camera movements that it wasn't filmed with 3D in mind. I was so pumped when I saw the LucasFilm logo, but then the very first show was a blurry 3D shot of a planet and it just threw me out of the movie. I was sitting in the third row at an IMAX screening though, so that may have had something to do with it. - What a fucking waste of quality actors such as Forest Whitaker and Ben Mendelsohn. At least Ben Mendelsohn got to deliver one quality line though: when gets off on seeing a city being destroyed by the Death Star. "It's beautiful." - The last act is similar to Return of the Jedi, in that it's a baggy mess that constantly switches between three groups of characters doing their thing. - The characters are for the most part unmemorable, so I didn't feel anything when they died. - Seeing Darth Vader mow down rebels like Michael Myers was exciting, but I couldn't shake the feeling that I was watching fan fiction. Yeah, we finally see what Vader is capable of as a ruthless killer, but just with like seeing Yoda fight, do we really need it? - If The Force Awakens felt like the work of an author so obsessed with the past that he can't come up with anything new, Rogue One feels like the work of an author with a creepy, necrophiliesque relationship with it. Seeing a reanimated Peter Cushing and a digital Princess Leia felt perverse. Now, I would like to say that I did love one scene: The Darth Vader castle scene was genuinely great. I love the implication that Vader spends most of its time immobile in a bacta tank until he is needed. A great way of underlining just how dehumanized he has become. The cinematography in that scene is also gorgeous and haunting. I can't wait to hear your thoughts on it.
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Post by ComradePig on Dec 16, 2016 19:07:58 GMT -5
The New Yorker's film criticism is as bad as everything else the magazine does is good, which is to say very.
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Post by The Thanksgiving Goblin. on Dec 16, 2016 19:14:47 GMT -5
it's a pile of ass and the cgi carrie fisher is a sin against nature
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Post by Trurl on Dec 16, 2016 20:25:26 GMT -5
I enjoyed it - the characters were kind of flat and "videogame Peter Cushing" (as my daughter called him) was kind of distracting, but I found it generally enjoyable. I'm a sucker for the OT aesthetic though, and they really captured it.
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Post by Ben Grimm on Dec 18, 2016 17:04:14 GMT -5
My wife and I both loved it. This was basically the kind of movie I've been waiting for since I was reading the West End Games RPG books 30 years ago. It felt like something written by and for hardcore fans.
CGI Tarkin got more unsettling the longer he went on, though. I felt like I was watching a video game cut scene. His movement was just off.
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Post by Celebith on Dec 18, 2016 23:07:38 GMT -5
I liked it. I'll probably like it more on second watch when I can pick up more details. The CGI actors didn't bug me, mostly because once it was obvious that they were going to be there, there was no other way they were going to do it, so I just went with it. It wasn't great, but it wasn't as horrifying as I'd been lead to believe they'd be.
A lot of the throw-away stuff in the background made it work for me. The note about the monks being 'guardians of the Whills' or whatever, and the Khyber crystals (although they weren't the same as from the book) were all nice notes.
It was nice to have a movie that didn't focus on lightsabers, the force or superheroes. If anything, it would have been nice to have fewer cameos. The SW movies all feel like everyone is related as it is.
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Post by Ben Grimm on Dec 19, 2016 6:25:11 GMT -5
For all the attention being paid to him, including getting one of the rare Disney metal figures, I think he was on screen for about half a second.
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Post by nowimnothing on Dec 19, 2016 9:45:46 GMT -5
I liked it. I'll probably like it more on second watch when I can pick up more details. The CGI actors didn't bug me, mostly because once it was obvious that they were going to be there, there was no other way they were going to do it, so I just went with it. It wasn't great, but it wasn't as horrifying as I'd been lead to believe they'd be. A lot of the throw-away stuff in the background made it work for me. The note about the monks being 'guardians of the Whills' or whatever, and the Khyber crystals (although they weren't the same as from the book) were all nice notes. It was nice to have a movie that didn't focus on lightsabers, the force or superheroes. If anything, it would have been nice to have fewer cameos. The SW movies all feel like everyone is related as it is. It was all the slavish fan-service devotion of Ep 7 but much more subtle. Blue milk! Red 5! Walrus Man! T-16! Ok, Walrus Man was not that subtle, but otherwise very well done. We also now know that the Battle of Hoth would have gone much differently if they had the X-wings retrofitted for the ice instead of just the Snowspeeders.
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Post by Ben Grimm on Dec 19, 2016 11:25:15 GMT -5
I feel like Thanos should have gotten a scene in GotG like Vader had at the end of Rogue One.
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Post by Hawkguy on Dec 19, 2016 13:16:07 GMT -5
I feel like Thanos should have gotten a scene in GotG like Vader had at the end of Rogue One. gah that scene was so good. cant wait for gifs of it
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2016 19:47:21 GMT -5
I was actually falling asleep during it. It picked up once they got to scarif, but everything before? That was not good.
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Post by pairesta on Dec 19, 2016 20:24:46 GMT -5
I loved it. It Star Wars geek heaven. Stuff I had been waiting 30 years to see without realizing it. It felt like a Star Wars movie, but they did something new with it. When Lucas sold Star Wars to Disney, the promise was there to see other directors play in this world, and it got fully realized this time. Blew The Force Awakens out of the water, I thought.
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Post by Ben Grimm on Dec 21, 2016 9:12:04 GMT -5
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Post by Desert Dweller on Dec 21, 2016 22:03:30 GMT -5
This is fun. Also, I am getting a kick out of having a Diego Luna action figure. Hoping someone will sell a Ben Mendehlson one, too, because that would be ridiculously awesome.
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Post by Ben Grimm on Dec 21, 2016 22:06:19 GMT -5
This is fun. Also, I am getting a kick out of having a Diego Luna action figure. Hoping someone will sell a Ben Mendehlson one, too, because that would be ridiculously awesome.
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Post by Desert Dweller on Dec 21, 2016 22:10:24 GMT -5
WANT!!!!!
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Post by Ben Grimm on Dec 21, 2016 22:20:16 GMT -5
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Post by Desert Dweller on Dec 21, 2016 22:29:30 GMT -5
Yeah, not quite. The photo of the one in the box looks a bit better. Still not great. The 6.5" die cast character line is great. I wish they'd make one of him in that line. I already have a LOT of those figures. If his face was better in this larger character line, then maybe. They may be individually painted. I'll go into the store next week and see if I can find a good one.
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Post by Ben Grimm on Dec 21, 2016 22:33:22 GMT -5
Yeah, not quite. The photo of the one in the box looks a bit better. Still not great. The 6.5" die cast character line is great. I wish they'd make one of him in that line. I already have a LOT of those figures. If his face was better in this larger character line, then maybe. They may be individually painted. I'll go into the store next week and see if I can find a good one. I haven't loved the human figures in that die-cast line. I've just gotten Vader and all of the droids, though I did buy Rey, since she came with BB-8. That said, there's no Disney Store in town, so I'm pretty limited picking the stuff up at all.
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Post by Desert Dweller on Dec 21, 2016 22:43:34 GMT -5
I love the R2D2 one. It is amazingly well done. Rey is okay. The Poe I have is great. The Finn is really great. The Kylo Ren one is fantastic. Han Solo is merely okay. C3PO is the one I don't like much at all.
Edit: The die-cast ones are individually painted. So, I make sure to go into the store and look through them before I buy. The paint on the faces varies wildly. I have found some great ones in the store.
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Post by ComradePig on Dec 22, 2016 1:20:32 GMT -5
A solid B/B+ kinda movie. Just about everything of the final 45 odd minutes on Scarif I thought was really excellent, great sense of scale and desperation in those battle sequences both on planet and in the space and that kind of war atmosphere is precisely the sort of thing I signed up for, and visually it was great all around, but the film had some fits and starts throughout. As tends to happen with these kinds of universe-trotting adventures, the impetus to keep moving from location to location doesn't let individual moments and elements breathe and be developed as they might otherwise. I definitely enjoyed it on whole, but it's got its issues.
Spoilers Etc.
For example, I liked the idea of the sleuthy spy stuff early in the movie and the there were lots of very good elements to the urban insurgency segments in the mid-section, but I would have like them to have stayed put there for a while longer for example, letting the viewer breathe in the feeling of a city under siege and occupation, before it later blowing up figuratively and literally, but we're kinda rushed from one area to the next. Characters were all functional, Donnie Yen and friend were fun and Imperial bot as well, who wasn't just the murdery HK47 ripoff I was fearing, but as with most things they all could have used more writing. Mads whole character felt weirdly superfluous to the movie.
I also actually wished they had pushed the romantic/sexual tension angle between our two primaries sooner and harder (uh no pun intended), I liked their interactions together when they started getting more pally but their romance is developed way too late into the movie to give it the 'doomed/tragic' heft that could have added something to the story, I mean come on modern action blockbusters let your leads kiss! Krennic is a bit of nonetity villain wise, I like the angle of this dickish careerist officer but could have used a bit more threat to him, but I liked how they staged his death. And on that, appreciated that they stuck to their guns with the ending survival count. Some of the more explicit "remember this/him/it!" etc. callbacks were unnecessary but expected.
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Post by Lone Locust of the Apocalypse on Dec 22, 2016 7:53:19 GMT -5
This is fun. Also, I am getting a kick out of having a Diego Luna action figure. Hoping someone will sell a Ben Mendehlson one, too, because that would be ridiculously awesome. I saw a bunch of Ben Mendelsohn figures in the Disney Store.
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Post by Ben Grimm on Dec 22, 2016 9:37:27 GMT -5
I love the R2D2 one. It is amazingly well done. Rey is okay. The Poe I have is great. The Finn is really great. The Kylo Ren one is fantastic. Han Solo is merely okay. C3PO is the one I don't like much at all. Edit: The die-cast ones are individually painted. So, I make sure to go into the store and look through them before I buy. The paint on the faces varies wildly. I have found some great ones in the store. That may be why I have a problem with them - not having a store in town, I have to order them, or see the last ones left while I'm traveling. You're picking out all the good ones, you monster.
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Post by Lone Locust of the Apocalypse on Dec 22, 2016 17:06:00 GMT -5
I bought myself one of these:
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Post by Desert Dweller on Dec 22, 2016 22:32:40 GMT -5
I love the R2D2 one. It is amazingly well done. Rey is okay. The Poe I have is great. The Finn is really great. The Kylo Ren one is fantastic. Han Solo is merely okay. C3PO is the one I don't like much at all. Edit: The die-cast ones are individually painted. So, I make sure to go into the store and look through them before I buy. The paint on the faces varies wildly. I have found some great ones in the store. That may be why I have a problem with them - not having a store in town, I have to order them, or see the last ones left while I'm traveling. You're picking out all the good ones, you monster. Hey, let me know what you're looking for. I should be in a Disney Store sometime in the next week. I can take a look and see if there are any great looking ones.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2016 22:50:48 GMT -5
That may be why I have a problem with them - not having a store in town, I have to order them, or see the last ones left while I'm traveling. You're picking out all the good ones, you monster. Hey, let me know what you're looking for. I should be in a Disney Store sometime in the next week. I can take a look and see if there are any great looking ones. When I was browsing through a comic shop earlier this week, all the kylo ren without the masks looked not good. Regret not picking up the one where he was masked, though the lightsaber handle was bent and that was enough for me to be annoyed.
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Post by Desert Dweller on Dec 22, 2016 23:30:20 GMT -5
Hey, let me know what you're looking for. I should be in a Disney Store sometime in the next week. I can take a look and see if there are any great looking ones. When I was browsing through a comic shop earlier this week, all the kylo ren without the masks looked not good. Regret not picking up the one where he was masked, though the lightsaber handle was bent and that was enough for me to be annoyed. Bummer. The one I have without the mask looks great. It is actually my best looking of all the figures.
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Post by Ben Grimm on Dec 23, 2016 6:42:04 GMT -5
That may be why I have a problem with them - not having a store in town, I have to order them, or see the last ones left while I'm traveling. You're picking out all the good ones, you monster. Hey, let me know what you're looking for. I should be in a Disney Store sometime in the next week. I can take a look and see if there are any great looking ones. If you see a great looking Chirrut Imwe let me know, I think that's the one I'm most interested in right now. Thanks.
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Post by Douay-Rheims-Challoner on Dec 23, 2016 10:11:08 GMT -5
ComradePig I do recall thinking as the film progressed that it didn't have a great villain - an odd thing to think his for a movie which as not just Vader but TARKIN, a favourite antagonist since childhood (I used to give arguments to myself as to why given what Tarkin knows refusing to leave the Death Star was not an act of hubris but rather the logical course of action) but Krennic's the third wheel clearly there to give us an antagonist with some personal connection to the heroes, he's a filler bad guy. And yet Star Wars has had filler bad guys before who brought the house down - the taciturn duelist Darth Maul, for example, who still feels like one of the most iconic things the prequels did. Krennic's just an Imperial bureaucrat having a very bad week, and Mendelsohn - who can be captivating with the right material (really the saving grace of Netflix's Bloodline) is just sort of There.
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Post by Desert Dweller on Dec 27, 2016 0:34:14 GMT -5
Yeah, Mendelsohn is a real scene-stealer in several things I've seen him in. I find the idea of him in Star Wars to be ridiculous and wonderful. Too bad they don't seem to have given him something worthy of his talent. Still, that Krennic action figure is great. My mom got it for me for Christmas. Wooo! I now own a Ben Mendelsohn action figure! LOL!
I am finally seeing Rogue One tomorrow on a HUGE screen. Really excited to see it. Definitely need a good distracting movie.
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