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Post by Return of the Thin Olive Duke on Dec 27, 2016 2:11:32 GMT -5
So I just got out of this, and I am deeply conflicted, because it's basically two movies, and one I liked way more than the other.
The first half of the movie, I really liked (re-)expanding of the universe, I also liked the issues it raises (of course they introduce a Haganah-Irgun type division within the alliance just as I'm reading about the Israeli War of Independence, of course). I thought the characters were a little shallow, and I found myself not at all caring about the plot, which is kinda similar to Serenity. Also, why did they try to do Tarkin? And why did it end up looking like that when all the other Humphrey Bogart/Chris Farley effects were seamless?
The second half, however, had some major balls and I really loved it. This is what the prequels should have been. It is also very much what we need right now.
EDIT: Ben Mendelssohn, especially in the first scene, looks eerily like the secret love child of Mick Jagger and David Bowie.
More notably, I know Darth Vader was kinda pointless here, but I couldn't help but notice that the lenses in his mask were tinted red just like in the original 1977 cut and OH MY GOD I THINK THEY'RE FINALLY RELEASING THE ORIGINAL CUT.
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Post by Celebith on Dec 27, 2016 4:21:42 GMT -5
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Post by Return of the Thin Olive Duke on Dec 27, 2016 16:09:19 GMT -5
Having slept on it, I found a lot of the fanservice in the first half to be forced and obnoxious, and really liked Donnie Yen and Jiang Wen way more than the others. And Alan Tudyk. And why did they suggest that Riz Ahmed was lobotomized and then not go with it? Altogether, this movie was really uneven, but whereas most uneven movies falter in the second half, the opposite is true here, and I'm genuinely perplexed about how to feel about it.
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Post by Desert Dweller on Dec 27, 2016 20:33:30 GMT -5
Saw it this afternoon. Saw it on a massive 80ft screen with Dolby Atmos sound. So, it looked and sounded fantastic! Wow, that sound system is incredible.
The movie itself is okay. I liked it. It is definitely uneven, though.
The characters were pretty thin. Didn't find Jyn all that interesting, sadly. She seemed more intriguing in the trailers. Diego Luna's character is okay, but didn't stray too far from a generic "rebel" character. The droid was pretty fun. I really liked Donnie Yen and Jiang Wen. Forest Whitaker was entirely wasted. Riz Ahmed was underused.
On the Empire side, Ben Mendelsohn was mostly wasted. I was hoping they'd let him be a really over the top evil Empire villain. I wasn't expecting "bureaucrat feeling resentful that his boss never appreciates his work". Mendelsohn tried, but that is not that much fun. I ended up almost feeling sorry for him because his bosses were such assholes. CGI Tarkin was very distracting. I guess I appreciate what they were going for, but wow, that didn't quite work. The CGI cameo at the end worked better because it was so short. All of Tarkin's movement seemed off, his facial expressions were inhuman. This stands out horribly when he is put next to Mendelsohn, who has a very expressive face. Vader was.... okay, I guess. The scene at the end felt a bit unnecessary. His final line to Mendelsohn's character was clearly scripted to be clever, but it was just stupid.
Plot was.... exactly what it seemed like it would be. The first half was a bit slow, the second half was a bit messy. But, overall it was solid. Felt like we didn't need the scene on Erdu. Don't know why they didn't immediately jump to the Scarif bit. Seemed to just create drama for the sake of drama. (I mean, I know why, but it seems a lame reason.)
Battle scene was a bit jumbled, but I liked it. There is good "Return of the Jedi"-esque tension in it. I also enjoyed the "suicide mission" feel of it- how they did some crazy things b/c they figured they were all going to die anyway.
I also appreciate that it didn't break the laws of physics as egregiously as "The Force Awakens" did.
One last thing, I did appreciate how it made the Rebel Alliance look competent. I was afraid this film would show them getting mowed down by the Empire. But, they seemed to hold up pretty well, all things considering.
I'd put it about on par with "The Force Awakens", maybe a bit better? Better than the prequels, definitely.
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Post by Jon Pertwees Shameless Gurning on Dec 27, 2016 21:54:24 GMT -5
I just saw this today, but was blindsided by the Carrie Fisher news when I got home, so just finally getting around to gathering my thoughts.
The good/great:
The cinematography. This is easily the most beautiful film in the series. I found myself gasping at shot after shot.
The story. There are very few bumps in the plotting, which is pretty remarkable for a SW movie.
Donnie Yen fighting stormtroopers. I never realized I needed this in my life until it was happening.
Vader's berserker rage. Not just a great bit of action horror, but it actually explains why he's so uncharacteristically unchill upon taking the Tantive IV at the beginning of ANH.
Alan Tudyk's droid character. His last stand was the best/most devastating of all.
Mendehlson as Krennic. I agree that the character is a bit underwritten, but he takes what's there and takes it as far as he can. His scene with Vader on Mustafar (and I love that Vader has a dark tower/stronghold in the place of his "birth") is fantastic.
The sense of scale. Of a piece with the cinematography/filmmaking, but this looks and feels epic in a way the prequels, with all their visual busyness, could never quite muster.
The politics of rebellion. The Rebel Alliance is more real in its flaws here than the near-pristine version of the original trilogy ever was, and as someone involved in radical/left politics, this was as realistic a portrayal of group deliberation as i've seen in a movie also featuring space monks with laser bows.
The not so good:
Cutscene Tarkin. So, so bad. Just recast him if you have to include those scenes, and I don't think they did.
I honestly think that's it. The character work could definitely have been better, but it wasn't at all bad. There might have been a risk in making any of these rebels more interesting/tragic than House Skywalker and friends, so punches were pulled a bit. On the whole, I'm ok with that.
This feels like a one-off that's now indispensable to the larger canon, and while that has its own sets of pros and cons, I'm appreciating that right now. Gareth Edwards can direct another one of these anyime.
The last word is "Hope" and that's pretty perfect if not also heartbreaking, today especially.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2016 22:39:15 GMT -5
They came out today and said they couldnt make this story without tarkin, which is complete bullshit. They could have easily just used more vader or had krennic just receive messages from someone else.
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Post by chalkdevil 😈 on Dec 28, 2016 11:01:49 GMT -5
They came out today and said they couldnt make this story without tarkin, which is complete bullshit. They could have easily just used more vader or had krennic just receive messages from someone else. I think Tarkin as a low-res hologram would have worked fine. He didn't need to physically be there to turn around dramatically and look like a creepy wax mannequin.
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Post by Desert Dweller on Dec 28, 2016 16:17:22 GMT -5
They came out today and said they couldnt make this story without tarkin, which is complete bullshit. They could have easily just used more vader or had krennic just receive messages from someone else. I think Tarkin as a low-res hologram would have worked fine. He didn't need to physically be there to turn around dramatically and look like a creepy wax mannequin. Bingo. Could have easily done Tarkin as a hologram. The whole "I'm taking over your project" bit could have been a threat issued remotely. Tarkin didn't need to be there for the first test of the weapon. Could have used Vader instead in some of those spots. Logistically, Tarkin needed to be there by the end, but a 1 minute CGI Tarkin scene at the end would have been way less distracting.
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Post by Superb Owl 🦉 on Dec 28, 2016 16:41:18 GMT -5
They came out today and said they couldnt make this story without tarkin, which is complete bullshit. They could have easily just used more vader or had krennic just receive messages from someone else. Yea, it's just a weird choice. Sure, in a perfect world if you are making a movie that centers around the Death Star plans, you would just have Peter Cushing available via magic or science. But in the real world your imperfect options are a) CGI or re-cast Tarkin OR b) Find a way to make it work without Tarkin, probably with some sort of obvious stand-in character. And they picked secret option c) Somehow combine the worst elements of both of those options. That being said, despite some warts (everything above, hit-or-miss 1st half) I had an awesome time. And look at it this way, between the first half of Force Awakens and the finale of Rogue One, we're averaging 1 whole good Star Wars movie per 2 years, an unheard of pace for the franchise!
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Post by Ben Grimm on Dec 28, 2016 17:53:54 GMT -5
I think part of using Tarkin as much as they did (and of some of the other, weirder choices they made) was that they're trying to establish what they can get away with, stylistically, i.e., what are people more and less likely to let slide. The stuff everyone's complaining about is less likely to repeat, whereas the stuff that's being let slide (the lack or crawl or music in the opening, the planet labels, the time jump, everyone dying) they now know they can get away with.
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Post by sarapen on Dec 30, 2016 7:43:24 GMT -5
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Post by sarapen on Dec 30, 2016 7:57:09 GMT -5
A solid B/B+ kinda movie. Just about everything of the final 45 odd minutes on Scarif I thought was really excellent, great sense of scale and desperation in those battle sequences both on planet and in the space and that kind of war atmosphere is precisely the sort of thing I signed up for, and visually it was great all around, but the film had some fits and starts throughout. As tends to happen with these kinds of universe-trotting adventures, the impetus to keep moving from location to location doesn't let individual moments and elements breathe and be developed as they might otherwise. I definitely enjoyed it on whole, but it's got its issues. Spoilers Etc. For example, I liked the idea of the sleuthy spy stuff early in the movie and the there were lots of very good elements to the urban insurgency segments in the mid-section, but I would have like them to have stayed put there for a while longer for example, letting the viewer breathe in the feeling of a city under siege and occupation, before it later blowing up figuratively and literally, but we're kinda rushed from one area to the next. Characters were all functional, Donnie Yen and friend were fun and Imperial bot as well, who wasn't just the murdery HK47 ripoff I was fearing, but as with most things they all could have used more writing. Mads whole character felt weirdly superfluous to the movie. I also actually wished they had pushed the romantic/sexual tension angle between our two primaries sooner and harder (uh no pun intended), I liked their interactions together when they started getting more pally but their romance is developed way too late into the movie to give it the 'doomed/tragic' heft that could have added something to the story, I mean come on modern action blockbusters let your leads kiss! Krennic is a bit of nonetity villain wise, I like the angle of this dickish careerist officer but could have used a bit more threat to him, but I liked how they staged his death. And on that, appreciated that they stuck to their guns with the ending survival count. Some of the more explicit "remember this/him/it!" etc. callbacks were unnecessary but expected. Yes, you've summarized the niggling issues that kept Rogue One from being a truly great movie for me. The pacing felt odd and the whole bouncing from planet to planet thing kept me from getting to really care about each location, and Forest Whitaker was barely there.
I'd say Force Awakens felt more cohesive and of a piece, but Rogue One had the more interesting story (not least because it wasn't yet another chapter in the ongoing tale of how one family keeps fucking the galaxy over).
Oh, and is Donnie Yen and the other guy the first Asians on Star Wars? I'm sure there was probably one guy slathered under alien makeup in the background of a crowd shot or a character on an episode of Clone Wars but I'm referring to the actual movies here.
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Post by Lone Locust of the Apocalypse on Dec 30, 2016 9:13:50 GMT -5
A solid B/B+ kinda movie. Just about everything of the final 45 odd minutes on Scarif I thought was really excellent, great sense of scale and desperation in those battle sequences both on planet and in the space and that kind of war atmosphere is precisely the sort of thing I signed up for, and visually it was great all around, but the film had some fits and starts throughout. As tends to happen with these kinds of universe-trotting adventures, the impetus to keep moving from location to location doesn't let individual moments and elements breathe and be developed as they might otherwise. I definitely enjoyed it on whole, but it's got its issues. Spoilers Etc. For example, I liked the idea of the sleuthy spy stuff early in the movie and the there were lots of very good elements to the urban insurgency segments in the mid-section, but I would have like them to have stayed put there for a while longer for example, letting the viewer breathe in the feeling of a city under siege and occupation, before it later blowing up figuratively and literally, but we're kinda rushed from one area to the next. Characters were all functional, Donnie Yen and friend were fun and Imperial bot as well, who wasn't just the murdery HK47 ripoff I was fearing, but as with most things they all could have used more writing. Mads whole character felt weirdly superfluous to the movie. I also actually wished they had pushed the romantic/sexual tension angle between our two primaries sooner and harder (uh no pun intended), I liked their interactions together when they started getting more pally but their romance is developed way too late into the movie to give it the 'doomed/tragic' heft that could have added something to the story, I mean come on modern action blockbusters let your leads kiss! Krennic is a bit of nonetity villain wise, I like the angle of this dickish careerist officer but could have used a bit more threat to him, but I liked how they staged his death. And on that, appreciated that they stuck to their guns with the ending survival count. Some of the more explicit "remember this/him/it!" etc. callbacks were unnecessary but expected. Yes, you've summarized the niggling issues that kept Rogue One from being a truly great movie for me. The pacing felt odd and the whole bouncing from planet to planet thing kept me from getting to really care about each location, and Forest Whitaker was barely there.
I'd say Force Awakens felt more cohesive and of a piece, but Rogue One had the more interesting story (not least because it wasn't yet another chapter in the ongoing tale of how one family keeps fucking the galaxy over).
Oh, and is Donnie Yen and the other guy the first Asians on Star Wars? I'm sure there was probably one guy slathered under alien makeup in the background of a crowd shot or a character on an episode of Clone Wars but I'm referring to the actual movies here.
There was the LOST guy in TFA.
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Post by sarapen on Dec 30, 2016 9:33:44 GMT -5
Lone Locust of the Apocalypse Oh yeah, him. I rewatched Force Awakens just last week and forgot he was in a couple of crowd scenes at the Rebel base. He may have said a couple of sentences.
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Post by Powerthirteen on Dec 31, 2016 13:59:53 GMT -5
Finally saw it. I can see how the planet-hopping could be distracting, but I actually enjoyed it - it gave me a sense of galactic scale, that things were in motion all over the galaxy. I would have preferred to cut the Eardu scene and use that 20 minutes on character development, but we did get those devastatingly beautiful shots of x-wings in the dark. And was I alone in getting the sense that we were meant to assume that Chirrut and Baze were a couple? Because cool, if true.
The third act was fucking excellent and I want more if that kind of star-warring in my Star Wars from now on. You can keep your Jedi self-discovery, give me capital ships fighting in low orbit.
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Post by Superb Owl 🦉 on Dec 31, 2016 15:15:01 GMT -5
Finally saw it. I can see how the planet-hopping could be distracting, but I actually enjoyed it - it gave me a sense of galactic scale, that things were in motion all over the galaxy. I would have preferred to cut the Eardu scene and use that 20 minutes on character development, but we did get those devastatingly beautiful shots of x-wings in the dark. And was I alone in getting the sense that we were meant to assume that Chirrut and Baze were a couple? Because cool, if true. The third act was fucking excellent and I want more if that kind of star-warring in my Star Wars from now on. You can keep your Jedi self-discovery, give me capital ships fighting in low orbit. You know, I thought the same thing about Chirrut and Baze, at least after the way they played that last scene.
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Post by Powerthirteen on Dec 31, 2016 15:54:21 GMT -5
Finally saw it. I can see how the planet-hopping could be distracting, but I actually enjoyed it - it gave me a sense of galactic scale, that things were in motion all over the galaxy. I would have preferred to cut the Eardu scene and use that 20 minutes on character development, but we did get those devastatingly beautiful shots of x-wings in the dark. And was I alone in getting the sense that we were meant to assume that Chirrut and Baze were a couple? Because cool, if true. The third act was fucking excellent and I want more if that kind of star-warring in my Star Wars from now on. You can keep your Jedi self-discovery, give me capital ships fighting in low orbit. You know, I thought the same thing about Chirrut and Baze, at least after the way they played that last scene. Yeah, and then in retrospect their banter comes off as a little flirtatious.
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Post by Desert Dweller on Dec 31, 2016 16:48:02 GMT -5
Finally saw it. I can see how the planet-hopping could be distracting, but I actually enjoyed it - it gave me a sense of galactic scale, that things were in motion all over the galaxy. I would have preferred to cut the Eardu scene and use that 20 minutes on character development, but we did get those devastatingly beautiful shots of x-wings in the dark. And was I alone in getting the sense that we were meant to assume that Chirrut and Baze were a couple? Because cool, if true. The third act was fucking excellent and I want more if that kind of star-warring in my Star Wars from now on. You can keep your Jedi self-discovery, give me capital ships fighting in low orbit. You know, I thought the same thing about Chirrut and Baze, at least after the way they played that last scene. Hadn't thought about it, but I'd buy it. I thought they were the two best characters. I also loved Baze's big ass gun. Wooo!
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Post by dLᵒ on Dec 31, 2016 20:42:11 GMT -5
Lone Locust of the Apocalypse Oh yeah, him. I rewatched Force Awakens just last week and forgot he was in a couple of crowd scenes at the Rebel base. He may have said a couple of sentences. I think in the prequels there were a few Asian senators, but i'm not researching that Also I feel like Forest Whitaker had a bunch of his scenes cut.
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Post by Return of the Thin Olive Duke on Dec 31, 2016 20:51:01 GMT -5
There was an Asian pilot in ROTJ.
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Post by Desert Dweller on Dec 31, 2016 21:50:19 GMT -5
Lone Locust of the Apocalypse Oh yeah, him. I rewatched Force Awakens just last week and forgot he was in a couple of crowd scenes at the Rebel base. He may have said a couple of sentences. I think in the prequels there were a few Asian senators, but i'm not researching that Also I feel like Forest Whitaker had a bunch of his scenes cut. According to Ben Mendelsohn, they apparently shot a completely different film at one point. He indicates that he shot enough different scenes to create an entirely different story for his character. I'd presume Whitaker had to have had scenes cut, because his appearance in the final film is mostly pointless.
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Post by Powerthirteen on Dec 31, 2016 22:14:45 GMT -5
According to Ben Mendelsohn, they apparently shot a completely different film at one point. He indicates that he shot enough different scenes to create an entirely different story for his character. We will cross our fingers for an Extended Version release of Rogue One, then. As I've thought about it today, putting Galen, Krennic, and the plans in different places seems more and more like it hamstrings the movie - if they were in the same place, we'd have an opportunity to understand Galen and Krennic by seeing them interact more, and by streamlining the plot (by skipping the Eadu trip) you'd have time for more incidental development of the heist team. I'd love to get a sense of Krennic feeling personally betrayed by Galen's treachery. I may be being led astray by my need for more Mads in the film though.
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Post by WKRP Jimmy Drop on Jan 1, 2017 20:33:58 GMT -5
Ok y'all, what in the hell was in those pocket protector things everyone was wearing? They can't be comlinks or actual writing implements, not with Bail wearing like three of them right in the front of his fantastic cape/cloak thingie and Krennic wearing them practically on his shoulders.
I was not actually creeped out by Tarkin; the first time we saw him, I actually thought he was Rene Auberjonois in prosthetics for an instant (which would have been spectacular re-casting), and the rest of the time, it looked to me enough like them trying to make an actor look like Peter Cushing that I was not 100% sure it was CGI. I was really more distracted by how almost-but-not-quite-right the voice was.
I was perfectly fine with Ponda Baba and Dr Evazon; they didn't try to make them ~~important~~ or link them in any way to what was going on, they were just there & then gone. Although yeah, I gotta agree that the R2 & 3PO was pretty gratuitous.
I really, really liked it. For all that it's called Star Wars, we've always gotten a view of the whole action from the brass and very little in-the-trenches actual warring or street-level dirty work that would be the backbone of a rebellion that large. I liked how so many grunts were tired and jaded and just kind of numbed to what they were doing.
ALSO MOAR AT-ATs and some new pretty bitchin' ships that I do not know the names of yet and HEY. CHICK PILOTS. YES.
Yes I know they are AT-CTs shut up I still love them
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Post by Jimmy James on Jan 1, 2017 22:32:09 GMT -5
Ok y'all, what in the hell was in those pocket protector things everyone was wearing? They can't be comlinks or actual writing implements, not with Bail wearing like three of them right in the front of his fantastic cape/cloak thingie and Krennic wearing them practically on his shoulders. I was not actually creeped out by Tarkin; the first time we saw him, I actually thought he was Rene Auberjonois in prosthetics for an instant (which would have been spectacular re-casting), and the rest of the time, it looked to me enough like them trying to make an actor look like Peter Cushing that I was not 100% sure it was CGI. I was really more distracted by how almost-but-not-quite-right the voice was. Ooh, I know this one from the Star Wars CCG! Those are code cylinders that they can insert them into dataports, like the ones R2 plugs into, to identify themselves and open doors and such. They already recast Tarkin once for Episode III, with Wayne Pygram- Scorpius from Farscape. It might not have been perfect, Auberjonois would be more interesting, but I would rather they had stuck with that than the creepy CGI simulacrum.
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Post by pairesta on Jan 2, 2017 7:14:14 GMT -5
I really, really liked it. For all that it's called Star Wars, we've always gotten a view of the whole action from the brass and very little in-the-trenches actual warring or street-level dirty work that would be the backbone of a rebellion that large. I liked how so many grunts were tired and jaded and just kind of numbed to what they were doing. This is one of the many things I loved about it too. It showed the Rebel Alliance as a lot more fraught than it was in the OT; there were many levels to it, including bureaucrats and senators who were more in CYA mode, grunts, extremists, and extremists too extreme for the extremists. I saw it again yesterday and if possible loved it even more. Even the shaky first half gets better. The Chirrut and Baze Are A Couple Thing came through a lot clearer in the second viewing. They're holding hands in their last scene together, and there's some lingering looks they give each other.
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Post by Powerthirteen on Jan 2, 2017 9:41:04 GMT -5
Here's something Rogue One brought up again for me, speaking of the Alliance: how many ships does it have? How BIG is it? To go up against the Empire, even as a guerrilla force, it must have thousands of ships. But in A New Hope, the limits of FX meant it only had, like, 20 ships total, which in narrative terms is something that's always bugged me.
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Post by Jean-Luc Lemur on Jan 2, 2017 12:48:53 GMT -5
You can keep your Jedi self-discovery, give me capital ships fighting in low orbit. Well now I have to see it.
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Post by Douay-Rheims-Challoner on Jan 2, 2017 16:23:55 GMT -5
Ponda Baba and Dr. Evazon would be my pick for the most gratuituous cameo, because They are seen in the Holy City of Jedha shortly before it is incinerated. Sure, obviously they escaped in time, but we have to have a bit of a scretch to happen to run into them and then another one for them being lucky enough to survive. C-3PO and R2-D2, on the other hand, being essentially assigned to a Rebel Alliance starship at this time, are exactly the kind of sort of characters who might be milling around the Yavin 4 base. You can keep your Jedi self-discovery, give me capital ships fighting in low orbit. Well now I have to see it. It's kind of this full Battle of Endor-esque engagement (complete with their own version of Admiral Ackbar.) What's kind of fun for me are the Hammerhead corvettes the Rebel Alliance uses - the design concept originates from the Knight of the Old Republic games - and, no spoilers, but they find something interesting to do with them during the battle sequence. They already recast Tarkin once for Episode III, with Wayne Pygram- Scorpius from Farscape. It might not have been perfect, Auberjonois would be more interesting, but I would rather they had stuck with that than the creepy CGI simulacrum. I love Auberjonois, but Scorpius was essentially Tarkin - Tarkin in Darth Vader's skin, if you'll forgive that terrible turn of phrase - so I hoped for years that he would reprise the role, possibly in the long gestating TV series. And then of course that never happened. I think a key problem, though, is Wayne Pygram was playing Tarkin decades before A New Hope, this version of Tarkin is literally a couple of days younger than the Tarkin we encounter in that film. Powerthirteen I always kind of assumed the Rebel Alliance was this haphazard guerilla warfare thing - pitched battles with Imperial fleets is, with the exception of Endor, something we never see them do in the original trilogy - if the Empire shows up, they run away. They probably have lots and lots of fighters, and extensive networks of spies, but fleets... Well given that strategy, it makes sense that they either do not have many capital ships, or even if they do, cannot get enough of them to Endor even given enough time to prepare. In the additional lore, a lot of their capital ships are not even capital ships at all - Admiral Ackbar's flagship was a repurposed civilian ship, and Admiral Raddus's flagship in Rogue One was a repurposed government building.
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Post by Powerthirteen on Jan 3, 2017 1:38:20 GMT -5
What's kind of fun for me are the Hammerhead corvettes the Rebel Alliance uses - the design concept originates from the Knight of the Old Republic games - and, no spoilers, but they find something interesting to do with them during the battle sequence. Golly I loved the way they used the hammerhead ship. That was the moment I thought "This is something I would never have imagined seeing in a Star Wars movie," and it was a great way of selling the by-any-means-possible nature of the Rebellion. Well given that strategy, it makes sense that they either do not have many capital ships, or even if they do, cannot get enough of them to Endor even given enough time to prepare. In the additional lore, a lot of their capital ships are not even capital ships at all - Admiral Ackbar's flagship was a repurposed civilian ship, and Admiral Raddus's flagship in Rogue One was a repurposed government building. And, as we all know so well, Princess Leia's ship was a diplomatic vessel! What's always niggled me was more the number of fighters they have, since their "last ditch assault" on the first Death Star involves a number of vessels that would fit in a grocery store parking lot. I suppose the... less than positive results of the battle that ends Rogue One might explain why the Rebellion was a little low on X-wings at the time of the Battle of Yavin, though.
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Post by pairesta on Jan 3, 2017 7:41:34 GMT -5
And, as we all know so well, Princess Leia's ship was a diplomatic vessel! What's always niggled me was more the number of fighters they have, since their "last ditch assault" on the first Death Star involves a number of vessels that would fit in a grocery store parking lot. I suppose the... less than positive results of the battle that ends Rogue One might explain why the Rebellion was a little low on X-wings at the time of the Battle of Yavin, though. SPOILERS There's so many little bits of fan goodness in that whole battle. Like, why there's a Red and Gold squadron at the battle of Yavin but no Blue Squadron. Why Red Five was an available callsign for Luke. Why there weren't capital ships to engage the Death Star. (They were probably also low on funds and resources since alot of their political clout got the hell out of there).
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