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Post by Desert Dweller on May 12, 2024 1:50:55 GMT -5
Ok. I went and bought better earplugs today. I talked it over with some chorus members. There is so much happening in Movement 5, with various brass and percussion players exiting and re-entering the stage, that they figured it didn't matter if we reached up and pulled out the earplugs before we sing.
Yeah, these better ones made a big difference. They cut the orchestra volume in half, just about. That was much more tolerable. I removed them after the last big percussion roll in movement 5. There is still enough time before we sing for that to work.
Wow, I really noticed how much the earplugs were helping when I took them out. Dramatic increase in volume. I noticed several orchestra players wearing earplugs tonight. Definitely a few of the percussionists were wearing them, and a couple brass players, too. Several more chorus members were wearing them tonight, also.
This is a damned loud symphony, damn it. Yeesh! VERY LOUD!
The symphony is doing Holst "The Planets" in October. I've gotta ask the percussionists if they wear earplugs for that one. The "Mars" movement has an incredibly loud moment in it. And there is a LOT of brass and percussion on stage for that one, too.
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Post by William T. Goat, Esq. on May 12, 2024 8:45:37 GMT -5
"Spiral Starecase"? Huh.
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Post by rjamielanga on May 13, 2024 14:11:22 GMT -5
David Sanborn has passed away at the age of 78.
Younger forum participants won't remember the short-lived NBC show Michelob Presents Night Music hosted by Sanborn in the late Eighties/early Nineties. It was a remarkable show, of the sort that you wouldn't see on network television (or even basic cable) since.
I mean, that show had, in addition to a killers' row of jazz and blues icons, Pere Ubu and Bongwater on it. Bongwater. Oh, and Screamin' Jay Hawkins:
R.I.P.
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Post by LazBro on May 14, 2024 7:52:45 GMT -5
You never hear "throwback" hip hop, and as far as I can tell, there are no "throwback" hip hop artists. Do you know of any? Is anyone coming up trying to sound like Sugar Hill Gang or Kurtis Blow?
Maybe the form simply isn't old enough yet? Maybe the individualism of the lyrics, where the art very intentionally cannot be separated from the artist, the "kayfabe" is too strong? Maybe the taboo of "biting" or stealing others' work is too powerful? Like you also don't see hip hop cover songs...
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Post by ganews on May 14, 2024 8:16:10 GMT -5
You never hear "throwback" hip hop, and as far as I can tell, there are no "throwback" hip hop artists. Do you know of any? Is anyone coming up trying to sound like Sugar Hill Gang or Kurtis Blow?
Maybe the form simply isn't old enough yet? Maybe the individualism of the lyrics, where the art very intentionally cannot be separated from the artist, the "kayfabe" is too strong? Maybe the taboo of "biting" or stealing others' work is too powerful? Like you also don't see hip hop cover songs...
What. The past 30+ years at least of hip-hop have been full of covers, except it's called sampling. I can't count the number of times I heard a new hip-hop track, liked the music, then heard the song from which it is sampled and looped.
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Post by LazBro on May 14, 2024 8:19:32 GMT -5
You never hear "throwback" hip hop, and as far as I can tell, there are no "throwback" hip hop artists. Do you know of any? Is anyone coming up trying to sound like Sugar Hill Gang or Kurtis Blow?
Maybe the form simply isn't old enough yet? Maybe the individualism of the lyrics, where the art very intentionally cannot be separated from the artist, the "kayfabe" is too strong? Maybe the taboo of "biting" or stealing others' work is too powerful? Like you also don't see hip hop cover songs...
What. The past 30+ years at least of hip-hop have been full of covers, except it's called sampling. I can't count the number of times I heard a new hip-hop track, liked the music, then heard the song from which it is sampled and looped. Sampling is not covering. Not at all.
Covering is Kendrick going out on stage and performing Big Pimpin' word for word.
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Post by Some Kind of Munster on May 14, 2024 16:12:16 GMT -5
You never hear "throwback" hip hop, and as far as I can tell, there are no "throwback" hip hop artists. Do you know of any? Is anyone coming up trying to sound like Sugar Hill Gang or Kurtis Blow?
Maybe the form simply isn't old enough yet? Maybe the individualism of the lyrics, where the art very intentionally cannot be separated from the artist, the "kayfabe" is too strong? Maybe the taboo of "biting" or stealing others' work is too powerful? Like you also don't see hip hop cover songs...
May not be quite the same thing as the rock version of throwback acts (thinking like Steel Panther or Greta Van Fleet or whatever), and maybe not reaching as far back as Kurtis Blow, but there seems to be a thriving mini-industry of hip hop acts calling back to that '90s boom-bap sound – stuff like the "Griselda" crew out of Buffalo doing their version of dark and grimy NY hip hop, or Clear Soul Forces doing more of a backpacker thing. That said, I think you're onto something with your reasons why this isn't as common as it is with rock and/or roll – hip hop seems much more obsessed with futurism and hot new sounds so the idea of looking backwards or resting on one's laurels is more frowned upon. And also as you said, the relative youth of the genre! We've seen a lot of old school hip hop guys dying way too young in recent years but like, you can still go out and see Kurtis Blow performing apparently!
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Post by ganews on May 15, 2024 16:19:41 GMT -5
You never hear "throwback" hip hop, and as far as I can tell, there are no "throwback" hip hop artists. Do you know of any? Is anyone coming up trying to sound like Sugar Hill Gang or Kurtis Blow?
Maybe the form simply isn't old enough yet? Maybe the individualism of the lyrics, where the art very intentionally cannot be separated from the artist, the "kayfabe" is too strong? Maybe the taboo of "biting" or stealing others' work is too powerful? Like you also don't see hip hop cover songs...
May not be quite the same thing as the rock version of throwback acts (thinking like Steel Panther or Greta Van Fleet or whatever), and maybe not reaching as far back as Kurtis Blow, but there seems to be a thriving mini-industry of hip hop acts calling back to that '90s boom-bap sound – stuff like the "Griselda" crew out of Buffalo doing their version of dark and grimy NY hip hop, or Clear Soul Forces doing more of a backpacker thing. That said, I think you're onto something with your reasons why this isn't as common as it is with rock and/or roll – hip hop seems much more obsessed with futurism and hot new sounds so the idea of looking backwards or resting on one's laurels is more frowned upon. And also as you said, the relative youth of the genre! We've seen a lot of old school hip hop guys dying way too young in recent years but like, you can still go out and see Kurtis Blow performing apparently! I wouldn't oversell the youth of the genre. Hip-hop as a recognizable form is only 15-20 younger than rock n' roll as a recognizable form. A child at a 1973 Queens block party is ~60 years old today.
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Post by Desert Dweller on May 15, 2024 23:13:17 GMT -5
You never hear "throwback" hip hop, and as far as I can tell, there are no "throwback" hip hop artists. Do you know of any? Is anyone coming up trying to sound like Sugar Hill Gang or Kurtis Blow?
Maybe the form simply isn't old enough yet? Maybe the individualism of the lyrics, where the art very intentionally cannot be separated from the artist, the "kayfabe" is too strong? Maybe the taboo of "biting" or stealing others' work is too powerful? Like you also don't see hip hop cover songs...
I had an older friend - 60+ - ask about this. She was like, "Rap/hip hop obviously doesn't have great songs because you never hear any covers of that stuff!" I explained that covers are simply not in the culture of rap/hip hop. Those genres use sampling.
I think you may be right that there is believed to be some strong tie between the lyrics and artist. Though, I'd argue that is way less true now than it was 30 years ago. And plenty of pop/rock songs have lyrics that are very personal to the artist. So, I'm not really sure about that.
Otherwise, yeah, if you listen to more underground/indie hip hop you will hear more variation in style, with some throwback styles.
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Post by Desert Dweller on May 16, 2024 0:01:43 GMT -5
Some of you long ago asked me what the best way is to get into classical music. I said I didn't feel I could explain that because it is probably different for every person. I come at this from a performer background where I learned about this stuff either by performing it, or going through a university music degree. Getting into classical music from a pure listening angle would be different than my experience.
Dave Hurwitz has a massive classical YouTube channel. He does have a lot of videos on the themes of "classical music for beginners" and "tips for listening to classical music". These might be valuable, perhaps?
He has a video on Classical music for beginners. This one is very general, extremely basic covering the question "What is classical music?" This is 30 minutes long and he kind of rambles. So, to sum this up, he says there are three main points you need to know when starting to listen to classical music:
1. Form - Most people now only know music in song form. And maybe in scores to video games/movies. But classical music encompasses songs, scores and many other types of forms. A Classical song might be similar length to a pop song, 3-4 minutes. But there are longer works like Overtures, even longer works like symphony/concerto/quartet, and then even longer works like opera/ballet. That's not everything, but you just need to set expectations and know that classical music will come in many different forms, many of them much longer than songs. These other forms use music in different ways than songs do.
2. Time - Therefore, if you want to explore classical music, you need to set aside time for it. An Overture, for instance, might be 5 minutes - approx. 15 minutes long. Symphonies range from 25 minutes to 1.5 hours. Opera/Ballet can last 2+ hours (or what feels like eternity in a couple Wagner operas).
3. Terminology - Different forms of classical will have different names. You'll get used to those as you explore. But know that bigger works like symphony/concerto/quartet will be broken down into movements. The movements have different names, usually associated with their speed, but are usually referred to as 1st movement, 2nd movement, etc.
He has later videos that go more into terminology.
He also has an interesting video that introduces a series on Tips for Critical Listening:
In that one he's making the point that there is no real "best performance" of something. And when classical listeners say something is the "best" what they mean is that they like it more! He does play through three recordings of one section of Beethoven and asks the viewers to rank them.
I was hoping he was going to get into why they sound different, but he didn't really. He asked people to explain why they ranked them in their chosen order. He did talk about how different conductors use different tempos. Some of them have different ways of expressing the emotion. And sometimes orchestras just have better players.
He also points out that some people imprint on the first recording they listen to and think anything else is inferior. I know there are people like that! That is wild to me. When I hear a piece I've never heard before, I generally try to listen to 10+ recordings of it within that week.
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Post by Dellarigg on May 16, 2024 3:43:22 GMT -5
Desert Dweller I've watched loads of his videos over the last eighteen months. I think he helped me get orientated into classical music, but then, I don't know enough to know how much he knows. I get the sense he can be kind of unnecessarily waspish and contrarian, going out of his way to swipe at certain big name conductors (Simon Rattle should avoid him, he can't mention Karajan without bringing the Nazis into it, and Carlos Kleiber might as well never have existed), but he seems to have heard every recording of every significant piece, and he's highly watchable. I also admire his CD racks, especially the dark brown ones in his other room, which inspired me to upgrade mine last month.
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Post by LazBro on May 16, 2024 7:32:38 GMT -5
I had an older friend - 60+ - ask about this. She was like, "Rap/hip hop obviously doesn't have great songs because you never hear any covers of that stuff!" I explained that covers are simply not in the culture of rap/hip hop. Those genres use sampling.
I think you may be right that there is believed to be some strong tie between the lyrics and artist. Though, I'd argue that is way less true now than it was 30 years ago. And plenty of pop/rock songs have lyrics that are very personal to the artist. So, I'm not really sure about that.
Otherwise, yeah, if you listen to more underground/indie hip hop you will hear more variation in style, with some throwback styles.
You and Some Kind of Munster both make the good and obvious point that I'm no authority on underground hip hop, and I would possibly satisfy some of my curiosity by looking harder.
I will continue to dismiss any relationship between sampling and covering. They have nothing to do with each other. I'm less focused on how the music is written and produced, or in fact what is recorded at all. My interest in covers would be, again, a big name act performing the song of another artist as part of their live show. Like when I saw AFI at a festival in 2007, they played "Song 2" by Blur. One of my favorite bands, Coheed and Cambria, frequestly covers Iron Maiden live. The metal/rock scene is rife with whole covers albums, most often collaborations, but occasionally by single artists.
Where is "Fight The Power", a Public Enemy tribute act, this New Year's Eve only at Winstar Casino in Choctaw, Oklahoma?
Adam Neely covered the topic also, but in a rare miss for Neely, the argument feels under-baked. I want MORE. But maybe there isn't more. Maybe the answer is: because that's not hip hop.
But I'm kind of getting sidetracked when my original question was about "throwback" artists. I can see that there is still a lot of love, and growth, for certain styles of hip hop that have maybe always been underground. I was kind of hoping to learn that there was a resurgence in artists trying to sound like Young MC, Tone Loc, Fresh Prince ...... Vanilla Ice...
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Post by Jimmy James on May 16, 2024 9:50:31 GMT -5
You never hear "throwback" hip hop, and as far as I can tell, there are no "throwback" hip hop artists. Do you know of any? Is anyone coming up trying to sound like Sugar Hill Gang or Kurtis Blow?
Maybe the form simply isn't old enough yet? Maybe the individualism of the lyrics, where the art very intentionally cannot be separated from the artist, the "kayfabe" is too strong? Maybe the taboo of "biting" or stealing others' work is too powerful? Like you also don't see hip hop cover songs...
I feel like this is sort of what you're talking about- not a cover of Sugar Hill Gang but a conscious imitation of their style and flow. But of course this flashback to 1979's "Rapper's Delight" is itself almost thirty years old. Jurassic 5 seemed like a bit of a throwback to late 80's hip-hop when they were around in the early 2000's but I can't think of a lot of other examples on albums. I think there were a couple of free concerts in college where T.I. or The Game would work Tupac's "California Love" into their set- kind of a classic move when you're in a festival setting and you haven't yet built up a big repertoire of your own hits that the audience will know. But it's uncommon due to the factors you discuss, where the emphasis is on ad-libbing and improvising new verses, and inventing new styles. Looking backwards or covering someone else's song is contradictory to the nature of the genre.
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Post by Some Kind of Munster on May 16, 2024 11:16:11 GMT -5
You and Some Kind of Munster both make the good and obvious point that I'm no authority on underground hip hop, and I would possibly satisfy some of my curiosity by looking harder. I will continue to dismiss any relationship between sampling and covering. They have nothing to do with each other. I'm less focused on how the music is written and produced, or in fact what is recorded at all. My interest in covers would be, again, a big name act performing the song of another artist as part of their live show. Like when I saw AFI at a festival in 2007, they played "Song 2" by Blur. One of my favorite bands, Coheed and Cambria, frequestly covers Iron Maiden live. The metal/rock scene is rife with whole covers albums, most often collaborations, but occasionally by single artists. (Just to be clear, I’m definitely not an authority on hip hop, underground or otherwise! I have a friend who listens to a lot more modern rap than I do who tends to send me this stuff because we’ve talked in the past about how I don’t like current hip hop production or the lazy flows, so when he stumbles across something that hearkens back to that classic era I love he recommends it.) Oddly enough I just heard about a single example of a rap cover the other day – was listening to Rob Harvila’s “60 Songs That Explain the ‘90s” episode on the Beastie Boys’ “Sabotage” and he played a clip of Jay Z covering “No Sleep Til Brooklyn” at a festival gig. Context there being that the Beasties were supposed to headline but had to drop out at the last minute due to MCA’s cancer diagnosis, so Jay Z filled in for them and started his set with this as a tribute So, it seems like it has happened, but maybe it takes a pretty exceptional set of circumstances?
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Post by Dellarigg on May 16, 2024 11:23:33 GMT -5
Since my dad worked in a shipyard* in the 70s and 80s, I guess I'm the boy who gets a bicycle on his birthday** in the song Shipbuilding. Sorry to all you Argentineans out there.
*In the offices - he didn't get his hands dirty
**Christmas, actually, but I take the point
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Post by Some Kind of Munster on May 16, 2024 11:30:58 GMT -5
I feel like this is sort of what you're talking about- not a cover of Sugar Hill Gang but a conscious imitation of their style and flow. But of course this flashback to 1979's "Rapper's Delight" is itself almost thirty years old. Jurassic 5 seemed like a bit of a throwback to late 80's hip-hop when they were around in the early 2000's but I can't think of a lot of other examples on albums. I think there were a couple of free concerts in college where T.I. or The Game would work Tupac's "California Love" into their set- kind of a classic move when you're in a festival setting and you haven't yet built up a big repertoire of your own hits that the audience will know. But it's uncommon due to the factors you discuss, where the emphasis is on ad-libbing and improvising new verses, and inventing new styles. Looking backwards or covering someone else's song is contradictory to the nature of the genre. This just made me think of a similar example – The Pharcyde's "Officer", which begins with a riff on Public Enemy's "Black Steel in the Hour of Chaos" that still manages to be extremely true to the Pharcyde: (And of course there's Tricky's straight-up cover of Black Steel, which I guess would be a "Major Interpretation" as per the video linked above) And yes, these are 30-year-old interpretations of a 35-year-old song, so probably not really relevant to what you're talking about today!
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Post by pantsgoblin on May 16, 2024 11:50:17 GMT -5
(And of course there's Tricky's straight-up cover of Black Steel, which I guess would be a "Major Interpretation" as per the video linked above) Tricky and Martina's take on Eric B. & Rakim's "Lyrics of Fury" is pretty faithful.
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Post by Desert Dweller on May 16, 2024 18:32:14 GMT -5
Desert Dweller I've watched loads of his videos over the last eighteen months. I think he helped me get orientated into classical music, but then, I don't know enough to know how much he knows. I get the sense he can be kind of unnecessarily waspish and contrarian, going out of his way to swipe at certain big name conductors (Simon Rattle should avoid him, he can't mention Karajan without bringing the Nazis into it, and Carlos Kleiber might as well never have existed), but he seems to have heard every recording of every significant piece, and he's highly watchable. I also admire his CD racks, especially the dark brown ones in his other room, which inspired me to upgrade mine last month.
He does really know his stuff. And often when I look up his videos looking for his recommendations on a specific piece, his picks are the ones I've already listened to and enjoyed. Certainly, there are areas where I disagree with him. But these all seem to be in interpretation. And I find he is pretty good at mentioning recordings that are considered great that he doesn't particularly like.
Karajan, of course, was a Nazi. And I don't think it is odd that a Jewish critic would be complaining about a guy who joined the Nazi party to advance his career. Karajan gets plenty of praise elsewhere, so I'm not put out by this.
As for Kleiber, he didn't record much orchestral music, most of his best recordings are Opera. Dave doesn't really review Opera, or really much vocal music at all. He has a partner at his website who does most of the vocal/opera/choral reviews. I recall him saying that he thinks Kleiber was far better as an opera conductor, and thinks several of his operas are fantastic. Says he saw him conduct some operas live and they were great. I remember him saying that he finds Kleiber's orchestra conducting to be too mechanical. I don't feel that way.
But, it is all in what you prefer.
I think his channel is great, though, because he usually recommends several different recordings of pieces. And for many pieces he does a near-complete rundown of their recording history, and what he thinks of each one. He's never dissuaded me from listening to something. Because I know his taste and mine aren't exactly aligned.
But as I said, I tend to listen to many, many different recordings of things.
In any case, his series on critical listening might be helpful. I hadn't ever checked those out, but I decided to this week just to see what he was saying.
That intro one... I really wish he would have explained why those three Beethoven recordings sounded different. That would have been helpful to beginners who are trying to understand what to listen for. (Also, I am going to find that chamber orchestra version he played. I've never heard that, and wow, it was strikingly different.)
I just think this is a valuable service, because too often I see people trying to get people into classical music by describing the composer's biography, or the history of the piece. That seems unhelpful to me. It is better to actually understand the music forms you are listening to, isn't it?
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Post by Desert Dweller on May 16, 2024 18:43:51 GMT -5
You and Some Kind of Munster both make the good and obvious point that I'm no authority on underground hip hop, and I would possibly satisfy some of my curiosity by looking harder. I will continue to dismiss any relationship between sampling and covering. They have nothing to do with each other. I'm less focused on how the music is written and produced, or in fact what is recorded at all. My interest in covers would be, again, a big name act performing the song of another artist as part of their live show. Like when I saw AFI at a festival in 2007, they played "Song 2" by Blur. One of my favorite bands, Coheed and Cambria, frequestly covers Iron Maiden live. The metal/rock scene is rife with whole covers albums, most often collaborations, but occasionally by single artists. (Just to be clear, I’m definitely not an authority on hip hop, underground or otherwise! I have a friend who listens to a lot more modern rap than I do who tends to send me this stuff because we’ve talked in the past about how I don’t like current hip hop production or the lazy flows, so when he stumbles across something that hearkens back to that classic era I love he recommends it.)
I am also not an authority on this. Similarly, I have a friend who knows that I hate modern production in rap/hip hop and sometimes sends me the underground stuff he's heard that he thinks I might like.
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Post by repulsionist on May 16, 2024 20:11:18 GMT -5
After watching his "What's In Your Bag?": Gee, that singer kid from Knocked Loose is really nice. Good job, parents.
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Post by Desert Dweller on May 17, 2024 15:31:15 GMT -5
Following up our performance of Mahler's "Resurrection" symphony, we are hosting conductor Steve Hackman, who has been traveling around this year doing a mashup of this symphony with songs by 2Pac and Biggie. He is a proponent of fusing classical music with rock, rap, hip hop, etc.
Here's some clips of this. What do you think?
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Post by pantsgoblin on May 21, 2024 12:05:15 GMT -5
I bought the CD in August 1999 because I wanted anything other than post-grunge anguish nonsense and Britney. I'm a fan to this day.
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Post by Murray the Demonic Skull on May 28, 2024 3:03:35 GMT -5
Woke up at 3am thinking of this song / music video that we played at every party in college. Looked for it this morning and of course it's almost 15 years old
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Post by The Sensational She-Hulk on Jun 10, 2024 10:51:15 GMT -5
That Sabrina Carpenter girl is just a heavily photoshopped AI version of Sydney Sweeney, right?
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Post by LazBro on Jun 10, 2024 11:00:39 GMT -5
That Sabrina Carpenter girl is just a heavily photoshopped AI version of Sydney Sweeney, right? I hadn't heard of her before she was the musical guest on SNL some weeks back. I was surprised to learn that her most recent album is her sixth studio album, which is a lot of albums, I think, for a 25 year-old.
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Post by The Sensational She-Hulk on Jun 10, 2024 12:08:11 GMT -5
That Sabrina Carpenter girl is just a heavily photoshopped AI version of Sydney Sweeney, right? I hadn't heard of her before she was the musical guest on SNL some weeks back. I was surprised to learn that her most recent album is her sixth studio album, which is a lot of albums, I think, for a 25 year-old. I finally heard one of her songs today and it was even worse than I honestly assumed it would be from the promotional images I've seen around. Jesus. I felt like I was hearing a 30 Rock parody, which fits with the "sexy baby" thing she has going on.
To be clear, I don't have an inherent dislike of pop music. I just think Chappell Roan is basically the only person doing it in the way I want it to be done at the moment (i.e., gay).
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Post by Desert Dweller on Jun 10, 2024 22:58:04 GMT -5
Wait, is Apple Music actually able to replace songs in my library with newer released versions of those? Did I hallucinate this? Shouldn't it be making me buy a newer version? I think I am going crazy.
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Post by Desert Dweller on Jun 11, 2024 2:15:45 GMT -5
OMG, if I read or listen to one more interview with a producer or engineer or anyone in the music industry who says that pitch correction/auto-tune are used because it is the industry standard due to audiences expecting "perfect pitch", I am going to throw something at my monitor.
For the love of God, auto-tune and pitch correction are not "perfect" pitch. In fact, the software used for these is using an equal temperament scale. This is the EXACT OPPOSITE of perfect tuning.
You learn this in Music Theory I. Like, very basic music theory.
If you use a computer to move a vocal line onto pitches in an equal temperament scale, by very definition, that vocal line is now out of tune with the instruments. Unless the only other instrument playing is a piano. And really, the vocal line is still out of tune. The piano itself is out of tune! Definitionally!
An e-natural is a different pitch depending on whether you are in the key of F-major, or whether you are in the key of c-minor. And yet again different if you are in the key of G-major. Etc.
If your vocal processing software says that note is the same, is on the same line on your visual scale, it is WRONG. And you are no longer making something into "perfect pitch".
You cannot get out of level 1 music theory without understanding this. You could learn this in high school physics if you had a good teacher, and actually studied the physics of sound.
Are these people all just parroting a talking point? Are people with literally ZERO understanding of music in charge of production now? Is this a marketing slogan? What is happening here? Any musician will tell you that an equal temperament scale is by definition NOT in tune.
This is not a complicated idea to explain.
Are these people ignorant, or are they just lying?
I once hear Fil on his "Wings of Pegasus" channel say that pitch-correction is wanted by the music industry because it ensures their chosen mediocre singers now compete on the same playing field as actually talented signers, because it tricks talented singers into flattening their voices through software.
I can only conclude he must be correct, because this talking point is just outright lying. Like, they are lying about the physics of sound.
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Post by rjamielanga on Jun 11, 2024 14:23:03 GMT -5
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Post by Desert Dweller on Jun 11, 2024 17:32:38 GMT -5
This seems the appropriate forum, since this isn't a blunder. Glad to see Paste is trying to fix some of the problems.
Looking forward to hearing whatever crazy song GWAR will perform this time.
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