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Post by Jean Luc de Lemur on Oct 20, 2016 11:34:19 GMT -5
Pedantic Editor Type I remember people in the AVC commentariat having font memories of the TV show. For me, even though I was in something like sixth grade, the TV show was kind of a wake-up call that maybe the newspaper comic wasn’t actually that good.
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Post by Pedantic Editor Type on Oct 20, 2016 11:43:34 GMT -5
Pedantic Editor Type I remember people in the AVC commentariat having font memories of the TV show. For me, even though I was in something like sixth grade, the TV show was kind of a wake-up call that maybe the newspaper comic wasn’t actually that good. I don't think I ever watched the TV show, but I was an avid comics reader as a kid and my dad was/is a big computer nerd so I found him relatable in that way. But as I got older I was just less interested and realized more that it wasn't quite as funny as I'd thought. Still, it was only in the last, what, 5 years or so I realized Scott Adams is a dillweed.
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Post by ganews on Oct 20, 2016 13:36:04 GMT -5
Roy Batty's Pet Dove I looked this up and evidently Dilbert’s tie is up when Dilbert’s celibate, flat when he’s getting laid, so it’s basically a constant erection that rarely gets satisfied. Thanks for those images, mind of Scott Adams. Wait, really? God, I'm so embarassed that I used to like Dilbert. I own a bunch of collections from way far back, they're in a box in the basement. I had an idea to sell them off online, and I suppose the price would be down now.
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Post by Roy Batty's Pet Dove on Oct 20, 2016 21:29:45 GMT -5
OK, so why could the dilbert's pet cat talk? What was that thing's deal?
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Post by Jean Luc de Lemur on Oct 31, 2016 19:30:12 GMT -5
Roy Batty's Pet Dove I think you mean Dogbert? I remember he was fairly popular for being somewhat more sensible/confident than Dilbert. You can even see this in The Nib’s excellent The Fall of Dilbert, where Dogbert has had enough of Dilbert’s shit.
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Post by Roy Batty's Pet Dove on Oct 31, 2016 21:10:41 GMT -5
Roy Batty's Pet Dove I think you mean Dogbert? I remember he was fairly popular for being somewhat more sensible/confident than Dilbert. You can even see this in The Nib’s excellent The Fall of Dilbert, where Dogbert has had enough of Dilbert’s shit. I'm pretty sure there was a talking cat too?
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Post by Nudeviking on Oct 31, 2016 23:52:10 GMT -5
Roy Batty's Pet Dove I think you mean Dogbert? I remember he was fairly popular for being somewhat more sensible/confident than Dilbert. You can even see this in The Nib’s excellent The Fall of Dilbert, where Dogbert has had enough of Dilbert’s shit. I'm pretty sure there was a talking cat too?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 25, 2016 22:42:31 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Dec 25, 2016 23:04:54 GMT -5
oppy all along - I mean, that's fine if that's how you feel, and it's not up for anyone to tell you how or whether you should or shouldn't enjoy your art, but for me I'm uncomfortable with any system which doesn't allow for the possibility of redemption or forgiveness. It doesn't necessarily reduce the unpleasantness of what someone did - like Lennon hitting a woman - but for me your argument is too close to "well a leopard never changes it spots", and that's just not something I fundamentally agree with. People can be forgiven, and people can change, and I sincerely believe Lennon was someone who saw the wrong of what he did, addressed it, and became a better person as a result. "I do strongly disagree with people who use their fandom of an artist as a defence against the artist's moral failings." This I entirely agree with. more like "a leopard never gets brought up on charges" this will only be a slight tangent: once you take into account how many men, women, boys, and girls suffer in silence, burdened with the false shame and false burden of their own victimization and therefore never even come forward, you start to get the notion that not only is it a good idea to believe all who come forward, but that even after charges are dropped or suspects acquitted, that the original claims were always true, and that it is really fucking hard to make rape charges stick-- which is just one element of the shit molecule of being a complainant in a sexual assault case. w/o being supplied with links here, i have a hard time differentiating rapist 1 from rapist 2, but i rem. a recent-ish avc article about the purported exoneration of some rando musician that most certainly did not pass the sniff test for me. but like i wrote, they never do.
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Post by Meth Lab Shenanigans on Dec 26, 2016 2:34:43 GMT -5
not only is it a good idea to believe all who come forward, but that even after charges are dropped or suspects acquitted, that the original claims were always true That strikes me as an extraordinarily dangerous path to go down. There must be a better way to weed out sexual predators than for everyone to just agree to follow the rules of the Salem Witch Trials. I believe the vast majority of rape accusations are true, but I have known real monstrous abusive sociopaths who would publicly accuse their victims of being rapists, because they knew that (in the left-wing circles I generally run in, mind, not necessarily the world at large) people would believe the accuser and not the accused for the reasons you stated. They can get somebody's friends to completely abandon them, thus making them easier to control. It's changed the way I see these things. There's got to be a way to keep rapists from getting off scot-free without empowering people like that.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2016 2:40:25 GMT -5
not only is it a good idea to believe all who come forward, but that even after charges are dropped or suspects acquitted, that the original claims were always true That strikes me as an extraordinarily dangerous path to go down. There must be a better way to weed out sexual predators than for everyone to just agree to follow the rules of the Salem Witch Trials. I believe the vast majority of rape accusations are true, but I have known real monstrous abusive sociopaths who - when their victims finally stand up to them - would threaten to or actually go through with accusing them of rape, because they knew that (in the left-wing circles I generally run in, mind, not necessarily the world at large) people would believe the accuser and not the accused for the reasons you stated. It's changed the way I see these things. There's got to be a way to keep rapists from getting off scot-free without empowering people like that. namechecking the salem witch trials sets up a false economy: rapists are real.
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Post by Meth Lab Shenanigans on Dec 26, 2016 2:51:42 GMT -5
That strikes me as an extraordinarily dangerous path to go down. There must be a better way to weed out sexual predators than for everyone to just agree to follow the rules of the Salem Witch Trials. I believe the vast majority of rape accusations are true, but I have known real monstrous abusive sociopaths who - when their victims finally stand up to them - would threaten to or actually go through with accusing them of rape, because they knew that (in the left-wing circles I generally run in, mind, not necessarily the world at large) people would believe the accuser and not the accused for the reasons you stated. It's changed the way I see these things. There's got to be a way to keep rapists from getting off scot-free without empowering people like that. namechecking the salem witch trials sets up a false economy: rapists are real. Yes, that's a fair point. I wasn't trying to imply rapists weren't, and I should have worded it differently. My point is that adhering to a belief that no one can ever lie about something is extremely dangerous. It will hurt innocent people and, as I said above, give abusers a weapon. I'm not suggesting we should automatically disbelieve accusers - as I said above, I believe the vast majority of accusations are true - I'm just saying that I've seen firsthand how people are hurt by the insistence that no one will ever, ever, ever take advantage of the belief that it's impossible to lie about sexual assault. I dunno if you spend much time on twitter, but the alt-right on there is already taking advantage of the left's mob mentality by spreading stories that people who piss them off like to molest children. I don't want to feed the idea that as soon as one person says something's true, as long as it's a heinous enough crime, you have to believe it without question and burn the accused at the stake or else you're a rape enabler. It's easy for evil people to take advantage of that.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2016 2:53:46 GMT -5
namechecking the salem witch trials sets up a false economy: rapists are real. Yes, that's a fair point. I wasn't trying to imply rapists weren't, and I should have worded it differently. My point is that adhering to a belief that no one can ever lie about something is extremely dangerous. It will hurt innocent people and, as I said above, give abusers a weapon. I'm not suggesting we should automatically disbelieve accusers - as I said above, I believe the vast majority of accusations are true - I'm just saying that I've seen firsthand how people are hurt by the insistence that no one will ever, ever, ever take advantage of the belief that it's impossible to lie about sexual assault. I dunno if you spend much time on twitter, but the alt-right on there is already taking advantage of the left's mob mentality by spreading stories that people who piss them off like to molest children. I don't want to feed the idea that as soon as one person says something's true, as long as it's a heinous enough crime, you have to believe it without question and burn the accused at the stake or else you're a rape enabler. It's easy for evil people to take advantage of that. www.propublica.org/article/false-rape-accusations-an-unbelievable-story
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2016 2:55:38 GMT -5
namechecking the salem witch trials sets up a false economy: rapists are real. Yes, that's a fair point. I wasn't trying to imply rapists weren't, and I should have worded it differently. My point is that adhering to a belief that no one can ever lie about something is extremely dangerous. It will hurt innocent people and, as I said above, give abusers a weapon. I'm not suggesting we should automatically disbelieve accusers - as I said above, I believe the vast majority of accusations are true - I'm just saying that I've seen firsthand how people are hurt by the insistence that no one will ever, ever, ever take advantage of the belief that it's impossible to lie about sexual assault. I dunno if you spend much time on twitter, but the alt-right on there is already taking advantage of the left's mob mentality by spreading stories that people who piss them off like to molest children. I don't want to feed the idea that as soon as one person says something's true, as long as it's a heinous enough crime, you have to believe it without question and burn the accused at the stake or else you're a rape enabler. It's easy for evil people to take advantage of that. if the accusation comes from the victim, i believe it
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Post by Meth Lab Shenanigans on Dec 26, 2016 3:02:55 GMT -5
Yes, that's a fair point. I wasn't trying to imply rapists weren't, and I should have worded it differently. My point is that adhering to a belief that no one can ever lie about something is extremely dangerous. It will hurt innocent people and, as I said above, give abusers a weapon. I'm not suggesting we should automatically disbelieve accusers - as I said above, I believe the vast majority of accusations are true - I'm just saying that I've seen firsthand how people are hurt by the insistence that no one will ever, ever, ever take advantage of the belief that it's impossible to lie about sexual assault. I dunno if you spend much time on twitter, but the alt-right on there is already taking advantage of the left's mob mentality by spreading stories that people who piss them off like to molest children. I don't want to feed the idea that as soon as one person says something's true, as long as it's a heinous enough crime, you have to believe it without question and burn the accused at the stake or else you're a rape enabler. It's easy for evil people to take advantage of that. if the accusation comes from the victim, i believe it It's good to know you're on the side of the sociopath who gaslit my brother into attempting suicide after she drove all his friends away by telling them he was a sexual predator.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2016 3:14:44 GMT -5
if the accusation comes from the victim, i believe it It's good to know you're on the side of the sociopath who gaslit my brother into attempting suicide after she drove all his friends away by telling them he was a sexual predator. did she press charges and take him to court? b/c that is obv. what i have been reffing the whole time. go back and reread my posts and links. and for every evil woman story you have, i will have ten thousand stories of entitled, disgusting, porn addicted, prostitution consuming, raping and or triggering men, so i advise you to stop this game before it starts.
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Post by Meth Lab Shenanigans on Dec 26, 2016 14:52:27 GMT -5
It's good to know you're on the side of the sociopath who gaslit my brother into attempting suicide after she drove all his friends away by telling them he was a sexual predator. did she press charges and take him to court? b/c that is obv. what i have been reffing the whole time. go back and reread my posts and links. and for every evil woman story you have, i will have ten thousand stories of entitled, disgusting, porn addicted, prostitution consuming, raping and or triggering men, so i advise you to stop this game before it starts. The difference is I'm not denying that those men exist. I have no idea how you took from my posts this idea that I think women are monsters who love to accuse men of rape. I said multiple times that I believe the majority of accusations are true. However, I have also had personal experiences that make me leery of the idea that it is impossible for anyone to lie about it. What am I supposed to take from those experiences? Would I be a better feminist if I came away from that thinking "yeah, I'm okay with people I care about being thrown under the bus"? Also, no, it wasn't obvious that you were talking about people being taken to court. You never mentioned that. You explicitly said all accusations were true. How am I supposed to react when I've seen that idea taken advantage of to hurt people?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2016 18:49:10 GMT -5
did she press charges and take him to court? b/c that is obv. what i have been reffing the whole time. go back and reread my posts and links. and for every evil woman story you have, i will have ten thousand stories of entitled, disgusting, porn addicted, prostitution consuming, raping and or triggering men, so i advise you to stop this game before it starts. The difference is I'm not denying that those men exist. I have no idea how you took from my posts this idea that I think women are monsters who love to accuse men of rape. I said multiple times that I believe the majority of accusations are true. However, I have also had personal experiences that make me leery of the idea that it is impossible for anyone to lie about it. What am I supposed to take from those experiences? Would I be a better feminist if I came away from that thinking "yeah, I'm okay with people I care about being thrown under the bus"? Also, no, it wasn't obvious that you were talking about people being taken to court. You never mentioned that. You explicitly said all accusations were true. How am I supposed to react when I've seen that idea taken advantage of to hurt people? You inferred a lot about what I meant that was not based on what I actually wrote. I am going to suggest again that you reread my posts if it is not clear still.
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Post by Jean Luc de Lemur on Mar 22, 2017 13:45:49 GMT -5
Since this became the Scott Adams thread here’s an article about how he became…the way he is.
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Post by Pastafarian on Mar 23, 2017 21:27:37 GMT -5
Since this became the Scott Adams thread here’s an article about how he became…the way he is. I can't. I just...can't.
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