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Post by Liz n Dicksgiving on May 12, 2016 10:52:03 GMT -5
Photo time! Yesterday morning I brought the camera out after we did our topping-off of the beds. Here's what's cookin' in the garden: Garlic in the foreground, and a couple of stalks of the same left in the overflow bed behind. And lots of catnip and weeds/volunteers! Lookin' good, stately Dick n Hisses Manor! Dude, this prolonged gloomy, chilly, sunless spring is not helping the peas grow very quickly. They look like we're years from getting to actually eat any. The apple mint that has taken so happily to our garden is unperturbed by the prolonged gloomy, chilly, sunless spring. (I tried to grow normal mint in pots, but it never thrived. And then one year I picked up this up on a whim, discovered it is bonkers good for cocktail purposes, and it loved growing in pots in our garden. And then out of the pots. And now in all the beds. And now on our front lawn. I'm never going back to standard mint, man! Because I couldn't eradicate this apple mint even if I wanted to!) Seven years ago a friend of Hugs's from work gave her a chive plant from her own garden. That friend died less than a year later. The chives keep coming back in our garden. I love that. (They have long since jumped the pot they were in, and now just grow out of the pea gravel next to one of the beds. Gardens are eternal. )
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Post by π cahusserole π on May 12, 2016 13:25:38 GMT -5
Because I couldn't eradicate this apple mint even if I wanted to! I am not allowed to grow mint for this reason. (Which is fine by me, actually.)
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Post by Hugs and Hisses on May 12, 2016 14:03:04 GMT -5
Garden Update from Dick 'n' Hisses Manor -- I took all the seedlings and the two trees out of their "hardening off" area of the back deck and put them out in the garden proper today! There are now tomatoes inside the garden fence! WOOOO!!! As the person who tends the seedlings, this is always a very big day for me. They aren't in the ground yet, or anything, but knowing they're at least sitting atop the beds makes me feel like they're baby birds who've left the nest!
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Post by kitchin on May 13, 2016 20:59:52 GMT -5
Are tomato cages the only option, or are they just the best available option? You can also go horizontal if you have the space. It's a vine after all. I read about using "pig wire" supported by stakes, but that kind of fence is not sold around here. (Cattle fence is too flexible, and expensive.) Anything strong that won't damage the stems (like some wood) will work, laid out vaguely in a grid, and then it just comes down to whether you want it to look neat or not. I guess coated rabbit fence (1" x 2", or largest opening you can get) would work and look good. (Note - it does have to be strong, I've had collapse!) As for going vertical, it helps to know many tomato growers pluck off all the "suckers," the branches that emerge from a crook between two other branches. That is supposed to keep your plant more efficient, with more fruit and fewer leafy branches. You can plant the suckers in soil if you have more space and want to start new plants as the season goes on. In other words, to answer your question, "or are they just the best available option," really cages are the cheapest and simplest option, and you can use them year after year. That's why they're popular, when you're counting your dollars spent per vine. I saw a large metal trellis at Southern States that cost $99. All that decorative stuff costs money! In a way it's old fashioned thinking to be a garden cheapskate, but that's traditional. These days it's real estate that's expensive, and your time, not parts or bagged materials. I still nickle and dime all the garden expenses, but those dollars are really dwarfed by rent/mortgage for most of us.
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Post by Liz n Dicksgiving on May 16, 2016 8:53:24 GMT -5
The hope was to do the big planting this weekend, but man, it was weird weather. Hot and humid on Saturday, but with threats of heavy storms in the evening, and then temperatures plummeting again with a culminating low of 40 on Sunday night. We figured the plants could wait two more days. So we did all the infrastructure on Saturday -- finished topping off the very last of the beds, did thorough weeding, and got all the tomato towers, bean trellises, and cucumber fences into place. Tonight after work we'll be able to just plunk all the baby plants into place, and finally Garden 2016 will be fully operational. I can't wait!
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Post by Powerthirteen on May 17, 2016 10:56:02 GMT -5
GardenThirteen continues to develop nicely. We've started to realize that our dirt is basically just mud; when you water it, it looks like a badly made ceramic plate. So we've put in $20 worth of topsoil to help, and the plants are looking much happier. Our bean plants are really starting to jump up, and after looking like death for a while the tomatoes we started are catching up to the big sexy starts we bought at the farmers market as an insurance policy. Plus lettuce and spinach are poking their heads up, and the zucchini plant has survived transplant and is putting out new leaves. We didn't kill them all! Yet!
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Post by ganews on May 17, 2016 21:29:40 GMT -5
Sunday and Monday were the first two days without rain after a 17-day streak. Therefore, we put the tomatoes in the ground and put up the supports I told π cahusserole π about. Only the Sun Golds and Beefsteaks get a "tormado". The Oregon determinate variety, the ones that look biggest and strongest, are in between. 30 plants in the ground, plus a couple alternate seedlings left at the house.
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Post by moimoi on May 20, 2016 11:10:48 GMT -5
Anybody have thoughts on tree roses? I just scored some large terracotta pots from a neighbor and I'd like to create a 'conservatory' (pronounced conserva-tree) of container plantings on the empty slab of concrete next to my garage. Doesn't look like my lemon tree survived the (relatively mild) winter in my garage, so I'm wondering what else to try. Also, this article caught my interest: www.gardeningknowhow.com/garden-how-to/soil-fertilizers/antidepressant-microbes-soil.htm
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Post by Liz n Dicksgiving on May 23, 2016 11:36:09 GMT -5
Anybody have thoughts on tree roses? I just scored some large terracotta pots from a neighbor and I'd like to create a 'conservatory' (pronounced conserva-tree) of container plantings on the empty slab of concrete next to my garage. Doesn't look like my lemon tree survived the (relatively mild) winter in my garage, so I'm wondering what else to try. Also, this article caught my interest: www.gardeningknowhow.com/garden-how-to/soil-fertilizers/antidepressant-microbes-soil.htmThat's an interesting article! There's certainly no question that getting to "play in the dirt" is always something I'm thrilled to get to do each spring... Of course, a very small percentage of my garden time is spent in physical contact with dirt, and it still makes me less stressed, so perhaps I'm getting a placebo effect here?
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Post by Powerthirteen on May 23, 2016 12:05:45 GMT -5
SOMETHING ate all but two of our lettuces. I suspect that rascally Peter Rabbit character.
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Post by moimoi on May 23, 2016 15:48:34 GMT -5
Spent part of the beautiful weekend painting my chicken coop! (My garage, which contains no chickens.) And with peonies finally blooming, I am one step closer to getting my backyard into shape...
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Post by heroboy on May 24, 2016 11:53:23 GMT -5
Mother's Day is the date when we're supposedly past our last frost and ready to start planting things for reals in the garden. We were away last weekend, but will be home this coming one and were thinking that would be the big day for getting this show really on the road. But it's still so dreary and chilly! We're getting a high today of 56, apparently! The other tip we've heard for how to know when to plant things, if you don't want to use newfangled things like calendars to figure it out, is that when the irises are blooming, it's time to get the peppers out into the ground. Our irises aren't even close. But we can't wait for the weekend after this coming one, because we're going away again. Being a gardener is so fraught! Well, this past weekend was the Victoria Day long weekend up here in Canada, which is basically the agreed upon time when we should be able to do our gardening without risk of any more frost (It's also the unofficial start of cabin-season, and 2-4 day, so basically gardens, camping, and beer). Of course it was snowing on Sunday (like it was melting as soon as it hit the ground, but there were flurries all morning), but I was still able to make a go of it.
Our garden isn't as fancy as all yours with your seedling nurseries and what not. I basically just dug a bunch of trenches and let my daughters throw seeds around until they were bored of that. When that was done I ripped up a section of lawn to make a berry patch where I planted some Saskatoon Berry bushes, and some other weird blueberry-hybrid things I can't remember the name of but are supposed to be super hardy. Finished off the day planting a Plum tree, and then put in some shrubberies in the front-yard.
That said, half the perennials I planted last year are still dead, and I don't think they're coming back at this point. The tulips I planted in the fall to make my ugly-ass apple trees look slightly less terrible bloomed, though, which was a surprise. Oh, and my ugly-ass apple trees are still alive, so that's something (when my wife bought them, they were pruned so that all the branches were on the same plane, I guess so they could be packed tighter for delivery).
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Post by Djse's witty November moniker on May 24, 2016 22:48:48 GMT -5
Brief, tragic update: all of the peppers and tomatoes were doing great as we brought them in and out of the house to harden them off...and then we put together the portable greenhouse we bought last year. What we didn't think to do was thoroughly clean the greenhouse out after taking it out of storage and before we put plants into it. Instead we put the plants in the greenhouse on Sunday morning, and two days later all of the peppers are wilted. Two are complete losses. Pretty sure there's a fungus among us. We cut all the dead leaves off and took all the plants out of the greenhouse. We treated them with a fungicide, and I'll keep bringing them inside and out until we can put them in the ground...if they don't all just die. Such a bummer. Lesson learned. Really kind of bummed that I didn't take photos when they looked good.
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Post by Buon Funerale Amigos on May 25, 2016 10:36:09 GMT -5
Oh, and my ugly-ass apple trees are still alive, so that's something (when my wife bought them, they were pruned so that all the branches were on the same plane, I guess so they could be packed tighter for delivery).
I would have put the apple trees right up against that fence, since they were already espaliered.
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Post by heroboy on May 25, 2016 11:54:34 GMT -5
Oh, and my ugly-ass apple trees are still alive, so that's something (when my wife bought them, they were pruned so that all the branches were on the same plane, I guess so they could be packed tighter for delivery).
I would have put the apple trees right up against that fence, since they were already espaliered. Yeah, I would have preferred to have them closer to the fence, but there's only about 3-inches of space between the fence and a drainage line (which I've covered), so there's not enough room to plant a tree there.
Also, thanks for the vocabulary tip.
Oh yeah, it's not shown in the picture, but I planted peas along the back fence, and will put up a netting for them to climb up when they get taller.
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Post by Liz n Dicksgiving on May 25, 2016 12:43:30 GMT -5
Brief, tragic update: all of the peppers and tomatoes were doing great as we brought them in and out of the house to harden them off...and then we put together the portable greenhouse we bought last year. What we didn't think to do was thoroughly clean the greenhouse out after taking it out of storage and before we put plants into it. Instead we put the plants in the greenhouse on Sunday morning, and two days later all of the peppers are wilted. Two are complete losses. Pretty sure there's a fungus among us. We cut all the dead leaves off and took all the plants out of the greenhouse. We treated them with a fungicide, and I'll keep bringing them inside and out until we can put them in the ground...if they don't all just die. Such a bummer. Lesson learned. Really kind of bummed that I didn't take photos when they looked good. Sympathy like. That totally, totally blows. I hope the little guys will make it through okay!
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Post by Djse's witty November moniker on May 25, 2016 14:50:14 GMT -5
Brief, tragic update: all of the peppers and tomatoes were doing great as we brought them in and out of the house to harden them off...and then we put together the portable greenhouse we bought last year. What we didn't think to do was thoroughly clean the greenhouse out after taking it out of storage and before we put plants into it. Instead we put the plants in the greenhouse on Sunday morning, and two days later all of the peppers are wilted. Two are complete losses. Pretty sure there's a fungus among us. We cut all the dead leaves off and took all the plants out of the greenhouse. We treated them with a fungicide, and I'll keep bringing them inside and out until we can put them in the ground...if they don't all just die. Such a bummer. Lesson learned. Really kind of bummed that I didn't take photos when they looked good. Sympathy like. That totally, totally blows. I hope the little guys will make it through okay! Thanks, me too. This has just not been my year for garden starts.
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Post by Liz n Dicksgiving on May 25, 2016 15:24:43 GMT -5
Thanks, me too. This has just not been my year for garden starts. Every year something happens to make us positive all our plants are going to die, and every year we say, "It's all fine -- if they die we'll just get plants from the nursery. Sure, they won't be the varieties we want, but they'll be perfectly cromulent. And it's not like we're sustenance farmers..." But no matter the logic in those words, it's still awful to contemplate! I mean, I don't really believe it would be fine. (Aside: it would totally be fine. )
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Post by Djse's witty November moniker on May 27, 2016 14:59:58 GMT -5
Good news - the tomatoes seem to be avoiding the weird blight that hit the peppers. The peppers are a bit of a mixed bag - we've lost four total now out of something like 12 - but it looks like most of them will survive. We had a few that didn't go into the greenhouse (started later than the first wave) that also got the weird blight, so I feel at least a little better knowing that this probably wasn't 100% caused by the fact that I didn't clean out that portable greenhouse thing before filling it with plants.
What else...
It looks like something took a nap in raised bed #1 - around a third of our garlic has flopped over. We won't get to harvest that 'til summer. Green beans are in the ground over at the community garden and in raised bed #2 at home (the one that was previously just death and bugs), and they're all kicking moderate ass as far as plants go. We planted some cukes at the community garden, and they're slowly doing their thing, although we lost a few to...something (my guess is squirrels). Peas in raised bed #3 are growing like gangbusters; the biggest issue there remains keeping the puppy out of the bed. Yesterday I caught her standing on her hind legs and leaning on the fencing we put up so she could eat pea vines. Assorted greens from raised bed #1 have been making their way into salads and sandwiches. We lost a bit to slugs and bugs there. Strawberries are ripening up and being immediately devoured by slugs as predicted. I surrounded the plot with copper tape in hopes of slowing them down. Beer traps pending. Blueberries are going strong - lots of green berries on all bushes. Looking forward to blueberry pancakes this summer.
BTW I wrote up some super-basic instructions for building some raised beds for a friend of mine; I can post them here if there's any interest. The plans are for 3'x5' beds around 20" deep but could be easily adapted for other sizes as needed.
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Post by moimoi on May 27, 2016 19:22:54 GMT -5
I wrote up some super-basic instructions for building some raised beds for a friend of mine; I can post them here if there's any interest. The plans are for 3'x5' beds around 20" deep but could be easily adapted for other sizes as needed. I'd like some instructions, as well as any tips from those of you who have built them before. I want to put in two beds along the south fence line measuring 12" high, 2' wide and 4' long. Gardener's supply has brackets you can buy and just slip the lumber into, but it's a little expensive and i'm not sure what kind of lumber to get / how to treat the lumber. How hard is it to add drip irrigation?
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Post by WKRP Jimmy Drop on May 27, 2016 19:40:22 GMT -5
Well, so far
The hydrangea bush that I planted like five years ago, the one that spreads out but has never gotten taller than knee-high, has all sorts of blooms on it! They are pink, but still - hydrangeas!
I also planted two small ones last year, and one of them has put out a tiny little bloom. He's trying so hard to be a grownup!
The salvias I planted this year seem to be getting along nicely, same with the new rosemary, lemon balm, hostas, coral bells, and autumn sedums my friend sent me.
I have also put down that black fabric stuff and piled the mulch on it in one flowerbed-esque area, a new little area I cleaned out specifically for dorky little lawn decorating purposes, AND in the already-framed off area where the metal shed used to stand. Back there I also put some cobblestone thingies I had lying around, and repainted some metal lawn chairs, so now it's a little sitting area that gets liberally showered with pecans and leaves. I need a little table. And a trellis, so I can move the wild rose bush that just goes apeshit in another part of the yard and can't be controlled over there.
Also I discovered that the ground-level stump in the front yard was now rotted out enough to just pull out with my hands, so I did that, and OH MY GOD there was this one bit that looked all yellow and wood-coloured, just like solid wood, and when I touched it, IT WAS MUSHY and it was the grossest thing EVER and then I filled in the hole with like four bags of topsoil.
Plus general shit-trimming and thinning out irises and daylilies. Man, those daylily fuckers do not want to come out of the ground.
Oh yes also put like three more bags of pebbles in the....pebble area by the porch, added some more coloured glass and a metal dinosaur.
Next up: more shit-trimming and iris-thinning, trimming the pampas grass and trying to move part of it to another location, and doing something about the goddamn monkey grass. I like it, but it's going insane. Also if anyone has any ideas how to murder a trumpet vine, let's hear it.
P.S. I still hate yardwork, but having someone to do the actual mowing has made me feel this much [] better about it.
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Post by ganews on May 27, 2016 20:28:47 GMT -5
The ground is warm now, and the lows are reliably in the 60s, less than two weeks after the tomatoes went in the ground. Those all look quite healthy.
So today was the day to put in the bell pepper (18), shishito pepper (10), okra, and eggplant seedlings. Unfortunately Wifemate is only good at pulling weeds and not hoeing ground, so after I got back to town it took me a solid hour and a half just to clean up five rows worth of ground. At least they're in. I need to go back this weekend and put up two more rows for my butterbeans and green beans.
My plot neighbor is going to be out of town, so she gave me an armload of her strawberries! We don't cross paths or talk much, so it was very unexpected. Probably because Wifemate was there. God, these strawberries taste good.
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Post by Djse's witty November moniker on May 28, 2016 9:30:57 GMT -5
How I made my raised beds:
Tools:
drill with Phillips screwdriver bit measuring tape saw
Materials:
Four (4) 2"x10"x8' (I used Douglass Fir, untreated) - cut into 3' and 5' pieces (I had Lowe's do it - no extra cost) - untreated to avoid contaminating the soil and your veggies - might want to stain the outside for weather protection (I didn't)
Three (3) 2"x2"x8' (for some reason I used cedar for these) - cut one into four 20" posts (you'll have some left over) - cut one 20" piece off of each of the other two (total of 6 20" posts and 2 76" posts) - the longer posts can be trimmed as needed and used as supports on one end of the bed
Two (2) 1lb boxes of 10x3" exterior wood screws (I used "Fas-n-Rite" - one box MIGHT be enough but why chance it)
Highly recommended:
as flat a surface as possible at least one patient assistant
1. Lay two of the 5' 2"x10" pieces flat, one above the other. Place 2 of the 20" posts across the two boards - one flush with an edge, and one in the middle. Place one of the 76" posts across the edge of the 5' pieces so it is flush with the edge and bottom. Screw the 3 posts into place, with the screws going through the posts and into the board. (I used 4 screws per post). This will be one of the walls of the bed - the posts will be on the inside.
2. Repeat step 1, making a mirror image of the wall from step 1 (so when you assemble it, the longer posts are at the same end).
3. Lay two of the 3' 2"x10" pieces flat, one above the other. Place 1 of the 20" posts across the two boards at the center. Screw into place.
4. Repeat step 3. You now have your four walls - two longer and fairly sturdy, two shorter and a bit wobbly (for now).
5. Assemble one corner. This is probably the trickiest part, and is MUCH easier with (1) a flat surface (I used the sidewalk) and (2) an assistant. Have your assistant hold one of the longer walls up, and place one of the shorter walls perpendicular at one end. (I'd recommend using one of the longer posts as the first corner, if only because it makes the wall easier to hold in place.) From the outside of the corner, screw through the shorter wall into the edge of the longer wall's 2"x10". From the inside of the corner, screw through the post connected to the longer wall into the shorter wall. (I recognize that this would be easier to follow with pictures.)
6. Repeat step 5, adding the second longer wall to the edge of the shorter wall so the two longer posts are at the same end of the bed.
7. Attach the second shorter wall to the open end of the two longer walls, using the same steps above to form the last two corners.
I also put copper tape around the top of the bed, in hopes of keeping slugs out at least a little. If you only want it to be 12" deep, you could probably just use two 2"x12"x8's and make the walls one board high instead of two. You could probably just put the posts at the corners in this case.
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Post by moimoi on May 28, 2016 11:21:41 GMT -5
Thanks, MegaDjse! I would not have thought to leave the inside of the box untreated. This sounds fairly do-able, though I might spring for the corner braces for durability and because they look nice. I'm not really a master with the drill.
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Post by WKRP Jimmy Drop on May 29, 2016 21:16:31 GMT -5
Aw look, it's the lil'est hydrangea
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Post by moimoi on May 31, 2016 12:05:31 GMT -5
You guys ever use a handheld lawn spreader? I just got one to weed & feed my tiny front lawn and it's my new favorite garden implement! Perhaps it will motivate me to actually maintain my turf, along with keeping my sidewalk iced and cupcakes sprinkled (per one Amazon recommendation on alternate uses). Insubordinate & Churlish - You know you can get stuff to turn your hydrangeas (and blueberries) blue, right? I planted a blue hydrangea a few years ago, but it kept blooming pink due to the alkalinity of the soil. So then I added an agent to lower the soil ph and got the coolest effect - pink, purple, and blue hydrangeas blooming on the same bush. I know if I added enough lime (I think it is) I could get pure blue blooms, but I like the multi-color. Any tips on getting irises to bloom? I got these fancy heirloom varieties from a catalog and I've only gotten two blooms in as many years (and those blooms lasted about 2 days). I'd also like to hear about your dorky lawn decorating. I'm trying to show some restraint and not get stuff like this, but lately I've been tempted by sculptures of small woodland creatures, particularly those that do not appear in my garden (hedgehogs, tortoises, frogs) and would add all-season interest. If I can find cheap chew toys, I might diy and cover them with moss.
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Post by Buon Funerale Amigos on May 31, 2016 12:44:04 GMT -5
Insubordinate & Churlish - You know you can get stuff to turn your hydrangeas (and blueberries) blue, right? I planted a blue hydrangea a few years ago, but it kept blooming pink due to the alkalinity of the soil. So then I added an agent to lower the soil ph and got the coolest effect - pink, purple, and blue hydrangeas blooming on the same bush. I know if I added enough lime (I think it is) I could get pure blue blooms, but I like the multi-color. Lime can be used to increase the alkalinity of acid soil, and sulfur can be used to increase the acidity of alkaline soil. I knew you could use either as needed to have different color blooms on different hydrangea plants, but I'd never heard of multiple colors on a single one. Pretty impressive. We moved into our house last fall, so we are still largely in the "Is it a flower, or is it a weed?" phase of things. I did spend like $250 at the local native plant sale a couple of weeks ago and finally got everything in the ground. Next up is transplanting ostrich ferns to the roadside strip so I don't become roadkill mowing the pathetic grass there.
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Post by Liz n Dicksgiving on Jun 2, 2016 19:11:50 GMT -5
Thanks, MegaDjse! I would not have thought to leave the inside of the box untreated. This sounds fairly do-able, though I might spring for the corner braces for durability and because they look nice. I'm not really a master with the drill. We put ours together using the power drill and screws and corner posts and blah blah blah. And it's quite a production, especially considering the wood will all eventually need to be replaced. If you can swing it, I would totally recommend getting corner braces instead. (Our lumber is untreated cedar, because it apparently helps repel pests.)
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Post by WKRP Jimmy Drop on Jun 2, 2016 21:45:43 GMT -5
You guys ever use a handheld lawn spreader? I just got one to weed & feed my tiny front lawn and it's my new favorite garden implement! Perhaps it will motivate me to actually maintain my turf, along with keeping my sidewalk iced and cupcakes sprinkled (per one Amazon recommendation on alternate uses). Insubordinate & Churlish - You know you can get stuff to turn your hydrangeas (and blueberries) blue, right? I planted a blue hydrangea a few years ago, but it kept blooming pink due to the alkalinity of the soil. So then I added an agent to lower the soil ph and got the coolest effect - pink, purple, and blue hydrangeas blooming on the same bush. I know if I added enough lime (I think it is) I could get pure blue blooms, but I like the multi-color. Any tips on getting irises to bloom? I got these fancy heirloom varieties from a catalog and I've only gotten two blooms in as many years (and those blooms lasted about 2 days). I'd also like to hear about your dorky lawn decorating. I'm trying to show some restraint and not get stuff like this, but lately I've been tempted by sculptures of small woodland creatures, particularly those that do not appear in my garden (hedgehogs, tortoises, frogs) and would add all-season interest. If I can find cheap chew toys, I might diy and cover them with moss. The internet has informed me that I can put coffee grounds around the plants or work it into the soil? to make them blue, so I shall try that or the lime! But since they're blooming right now, that's probably a task for next year? I don't really know how that works. I am afraid I have no iris-growing tips; some of the ones in my yard are probably older than me. This used to be my grandmother's house, and god only knows when she planted them. They just grow and spread and I don't do a damn thing to them, my preferred way of gardening. I have a mind to make little fairy garden items, like this. I've made some window frames from lashing twigs together and from polymer clay & am planning eaves or other bit to attach to a stump and/or trees; I am a huge sucker for tiny little things and am also four years old. Actually if it's as easy as it seems to be, I've considered selling suchlike on Etsy or at local artsy festivals. I did see a tutorial on Pinterest about how make moss grow on stuff that looked pretty cool; I do like the look of moss-covered.
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Post by ganews on Jun 2, 2016 22:06:36 GMT -5
The internet has informed me that I can put coffee grounds around the plants or work it into the soil? to make them blue, so I shall try that or the lime! But since they're blooming right now, that's probably a task for next year? I don't really know how that works. We did the coffee thing a few years ago with the idea that it would attract earthworms, and I suppose it did. It took quite a lot of coffee grounds to spread over ten 20' rows. Nothing quite like diving in a Starbucks trashcan and hauling giant sacks of grounds and filters.
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