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Post by scrawler on Nov 13, 2013 12:44:09 GMT -5
Yo Scrawler, did you like Tartt's Secret History? 'Cause I didn't, but everyone seems like they really like Goldfinch so I'm sortof tempted to try it anyway. You see my dilemma. I have pirated e-versions of Possession and Zealot, guys. If you want 'em I can find a way to get 'em to you. Secret History is one of my favorite books. In terms of what that means for whether you'd like Goldfinch, I think it depends on what you didn't like about it. The subject matter is very different. But it does have that exact same sort of dreamy, out-of-time prose, where the narrator could be 15 or 50, writing from the 60s or the present day.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2013 12:46:12 GMT -5
Re-reading Gravity's Rainbow with hopes of writing a script for it.
I may start The Corrections this weekend.
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Post by Ron Howard Voice on Nov 13, 2013 12:57:42 GMT -5
Like Scrawler, I loved reading Skippy Dies. And, slow start or not, the very first sentence of the novel is my favorite novel-opening-sentence since Catch-22 or maybe even Pride and Prejudice.
Speaking of which...
I'm currently having a Pride and Prejudice reading festival: P&P itself, plus a series of books which are in some way inspired by it: - Longbourn, which tells the same story but from the point of view of the servants. It got glowing reviews in the Guardian and NYT, and I'm intrigued by the premise, since the Bennet family servants are mentioned, by my count, only six times in the original text. The first time I read P&P, I thought, because people kept referring to the Bennets' relative poverty, that they just lived in a little bitty house by themselves. How silly of me! Looking forward to this. - Death Comes to Pemberley, a murder mystery "sequel" written by PD James, who's probably the greatest living writer of detective fiction. From what I've seen, she modestly, and fairly successfully, pays tribute to Austen's original prose style. Will read it in December. - Crazy Rich Asians, a vicious satire of the nouveaux riche of Singapore and their extravagantly complex social rules about who it's okay to marry, whose money is worth kowtowing to, and how to be truly fashionable you have to wear an outfit the month before it's on the cover of Vogue, not the month after. Hilarious, brilliantly plays on themes present in Austen's society, and filled with breathtakingly accurate detail (the classical violinist who plays at a wedding in the book is a real violinist who has posed for Vogue and who deleted his Twitter account after I published a review suggesting unsubtly that he was more concerned with fame than playing well. I spent a good five minutes staring at the page in amazement). Hard not to feel contempt for almost every character, though, nor to get tired of the endless descriptions of every outfit, even if they do somehow always trump the last one.
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Post by ComradePig on Nov 13, 2013 13:06:02 GMT -5
I just finished up A Writer at War, which I covered in Pop Culture weekend and copy-pasted my impressions of below, and am now mulling on what to read next. Perhaps I'll dive into a work of fiction for a change of pace, though I'm considering picking up What We Knew as far as (uplifting!) historical reads go. -- The book compiles the unvarnished notebook and diary writings of Soviet military journalist Vasily Grossmann, who followed the Red Army all the way from the disasters of 1941 to the fall of Berlin in 1945. Grossman would later gain fame as a novelist, and his literary talent is abundantly clear in the quality and passion of his personal writings and his remarkable talent for conjuring evocative images and deeply-felt character studies. Amid all of the chaos, Grossman never abandons his fundamentally humanistic perspective, and superbly captures the absurdity, cruelty and heroism of war. And though the information itself is of course largely known to me, Grossman's writings on the horrors of Treblinka, Mjandak and on the liberation of the town in which his own mother was killed, with so many others, during the 'Holocaust by bullets', are deeply affecting. Every so often the writers/translators covering the gaps in Grossman's writing can get a touch weasel-wordy, but these are minor quibbles about an excellent and moving work.
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Post by scrawler on Nov 13, 2013 13:10:56 GMT -5
- Crazy Rich Asians, a vicious satire of the nouveaux riche of Singapore and their extravagantly complex social rules about who it's okay to marry, whose money is worth kowtowing to, and how to be truly fashionable you have to wear an outfit the month before it's on the cover of Vogue, not the month after. Hilarious, brilliantly plays on themes present in Austen's society, and filled with breathtakingly accurate detail (the classical violinist who plays at a wedding in the book is a real violinist who has posed for Vogue and who deleted his Twitter account after I published a review suggesting unsubtly that he was more concerned with fame than playing well. I spent a good five minutes staring at the page in amazement). Hard not to feel contempt for almost every character, though, nor to get tired of the endless descriptions of every outfit, even if they do somehow always trump the last one. Amazon has been suggesting that to me ever since I read Five Star Billionaire.
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Post by Twelve Dreams of Dr. Sartorius on Nov 13, 2013 13:24:11 GMT -5
Savage Detectives, Roberto Bolano - like On The Road, except, honestly, better. I know! No, I like On the Road too, but it's kindof a mess, you have to admit. And actually so is Savage Detectives, but it's a more mature mess. Bolano has a booming new voice and I'm psyched to read 2666 next month. I thought The Savage Detectives was okay, but 2666 is spectacular. It's on my list to re-read, except I'm going to read the 5 books in reverse order to see what that brings out. By the time I reached book 5, I was so mentally worn down by book 4 that I think I missed quite a bit. Plus, the surface story in book 5 is so good that it's hard to remember to look for everything else that's going on underneath.
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Post by Jean-Luc Lemur on Nov 13, 2013 13:31:23 GMT -5
I just started this retrospective on Rothko.
I also realized that popular histories of mathematics are basically my romance novels. They tend to hit all the same beats (hook with some big theorem or idea, then go through a general history of the branch of mathematics where that theorem or idea’s important before finally getting to the solution of it in the end, often in too little detail for someone who’s taken some real math like me). They’re formulaic, but they’re okay books to unwind to and I can finish them ridiculously fast—I started Fermat’s Last Theorem by Amir Aczel when getting on the tram yesterday and after finishing my return trip I was shocked to find I was something like three-quarters of the way done with it. I’d recommend it if you haven’t read any other histories of mathematics, if you know who Euler and Galois were and a bit about their lives you’re not missing out on much.
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Post by Albert Fish Taco on Nov 13, 2013 13:32:13 GMT -5
The Luminaries - Eleanor Catton Just finished this the other day, really great read. Excellent mystery that I think would make a good HBO series. Sorta like Deadwood. Just started: Bring Up the Bodies - Hilary Mantel Started this one, really liked Wolf Hall, so far I'm liking this one as well. Even though I keep thinking about The Tudors and Natalie Dormer.....sorry what were we talking about? To read next: The Goldfinch - Donna Tartt I liked Secret History but I didn't love it, this one sound interesting so I will give it a go. Plus scrawler loved it, so it must be good right? Wow we are like mirror twins. Wolf Hall is my next book on the list and The Luminaries after that. Triplets! Wolf Hall is next on my list as well.
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Post by Ron Howard Voice on Nov 13, 2013 13:34:33 GMT -5
- Crazy Rich Asians, a vicious satire of the nouveaux riche of Singapore and their extravagantly complex social rules about who it's okay to marry, whose money is worth kowtowing to, and how to be truly fashionable you have to wear an outfit the month before it's on the cover of Vogue, not the month after. Hilarious, brilliantly plays on themes present in Austen's society, and filled with breathtakingly accurate detail (the classical violinist who plays at a wedding in the book is a real violinist who has posed for Vogue and who deleted his Twitter account after I published a review suggesting unsubtly that he was more concerned with fame than playing well. I spent a good five minutes staring at the page in amazement). Hard not to feel contempt for almost every character, though, nor to get tired of the endless descriptions of every outfit, even if they do somehow always trump the last one. Amazon has been suggesting that to me ever since I read Five Star Billionaire. I definitely enjoyed it, laughed out loud a few times. How's Five Star Billionaire?
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Post by scrawler on Nov 13, 2013 13:37:58 GMT -5
Amazon has been suggesting that to me ever since I read Five Star Billionaire. I definitely enjoyed it, laughed out loud a few times. How's Five Star Billionaire? I liked it a lot, although it was slow to start. Interestingly, Tash Aw is the rare male writer whose female characters seemed more-interesting and better fleshed out than his male characters. At least in this book, anyway.
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Post by mratfink on Nov 13, 2013 13:41:33 GMT -5
i just finished Dust of Dreams by Steven Erikson which is the 9th book in my endless quest to read the Malazan Book fo the Fallen in one year. Now on the 10th and final one so maybe in December i will actually go read some of the books that have been piling up on my wish list for the past 9 months
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Post by Ron Howard Voice on Nov 13, 2013 13:59:19 GMT -5
I definitely enjoyed it, laughed out loud a few times. How's Five Star Billionaire? I liked it a lot, although it was slow to start. Interestingly, Tash Aw is the rare male writer whose female characters seemed more-interesting and better fleshed out than his male characters. At least in this book, anyway. Also interestingly, that's another thing the two books have in common. It's rare for me to really remember characters from a satire, but there are a few who will stick with me, and they're women.
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Post by clytie on Nov 13, 2013 13:59:27 GMT -5
Still reading FAR FROM THE TREE (I am now on the chapter about children conceived in rape, and man, every chapter of this book is distressing a a new way) I swear I was looking at that book on Amazon this morning.
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Post by 30helensagree on Nov 13, 2013 13:59:34 GMT -5
I finally got around to finishing Night Film. I can't say I liked it as much as I did Special Topics in Calamity Physics, but I actually ended up enjoying it for what it was, outside of a few annoying narrative tics and an apparent inability to write in the voice of guff male. Pessl ended up sticking the landing pretty well, which was pretty surprising because I started to think she was going to lose control of the story the more it headed down the magic/occult path, but she pulled out of that nose dive and ended with a nice stinger at the end.
I think the book was only disappointing in comparison to Special Topics, but man, I just fell in love with the prose of that book. Night Film is a pretty solid read.
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Post by Invisible Goat on Nov 13, 2013 14:26:15 GMT -5
I'm reading Empire Falls right now. It's the first I've read by the author and I love it so far, about 40% through. Such a rich, colorful town with a ton of great characters. Edited to add that the flashback to the main character's vacation to Martha's Vineyard as a 9-year-old is one of my favorite things I've read this year.
Also rereading The Hobbit for the nth time cause I'm a big dork with a loose grasp on reality and am really excited for the second movie.
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Post by Roy Batty's Pet Dove on Nov 13, 2013 14:29:53 GMT -5
I just finished House of Leaves (OK, I've yet to read the Appendices, but essentially, I'm finished). SPOILERS FOLLOW THROUGHOUT. I was pretty impressed with the ending. I was absolutely expecting Truant to kill someone and end up in some sort of metal hospital/prison, and I was prepared for the worst during that passage where he's about to beat Gdansk man to death, so the actual ending was pleasantly surprising and cathartic. And the passage where Navidson reads the in-book House of Leaves was brilliant.
But before that, I was starting to get a little fed up with all the Zampano literary criticism satire stuff, largely because it was such an immensely pretentious way to mock pretension. I like to think that part of this was deliberate, that Danielewski wrote Zampano as somewhat unnuanced and pretentious, but that made parts of the book a real slog to get through, so even if Danielewski was deliberately presenting Zampano as a flawed writer, he should have done so in a way that didn't make Zampano's endless fake literary review quotes so difficult to get through at times. Because that also made the second-best part of the story, the actual stuff that goes on in Navidson's house, far more difficult to get through, colder, and more emotionless. And I think that Danielewski is trying to have it both ways, where he can both mock pretentious academia, but at the same time use the fake analysis in the book to show us how clever he is. Also, that chapter where Karen is interviewing a bunch of people who mostly actually exist in the real world, I thought it was really weird and of questionable taste for Danielewski to write so many of them as making sexual or pseudo-sexual advances toward Karen during the interview.
And while I'm on the topic of Zampano, and pretentiousness, time for my own pretentious over-analysis of something that's quite possibly pure coincidence. I thought it was telling that Zampano, who at the level of the story wherein he is writing the book as an analysis of "The Navidson Record" as if it really exists, writes the least-satisfying level of the story, and is also the only one of the three fictional creative minds in the book who doesn't reach some level of cathartic closure with the issues that he grapples with in the story, while Truant and Navidson are able to create something that both addresses some horrible experience or fear (whether of fear death, fear of impending insanity, inability to cope with loss of parents, or whatever) in a way that is ultimately positive and meaningful, and in a way that allows them to personally come to terms with these things. So yeah, I thought that was cool, and says something about the creative process that's pretty cool, but I'm also not an English major so this is probably not a particularly nuanced analysis on my part.
But yeah, overall I enjoyed House of Leaves. The multiple levels of frame story was a really cool approach, and there's a ton of other really clever stuff with language, fear of mortality, etc. I'm not sure if I loved it the way that quite a few members of the commentariat seem to have loved it, but I can understand why people talk about this as being one of their favorite books, and even if I thought it was deeply flawed in some respects, it's so fascinating that it's mostly able to overcome its flaws.
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Post by Post-Lupin on Nov 13, 2013 16:13:37 GMT -5
Roy Batty's Pet Dove - Yeah, House of Leaves is challenging and flawed... but it gripped me completely (even through the somewhat wanky bits) like few books have. For comparison - I never got more than 150 pages into Infinite Jest. Current reading is Pratchett's Raising Steam which is as clever, funny and dark as Terry gets... but the strain of dealing with his impairment is showing a fair bit - and the way he's had a guest appearance in the book from practically every major character in Discworld (witches excepted) makes me worry it'll be the last one he writes.
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Post by Ron Howard Voice on Nov 13, 2013 16:26:42 GMT -5
For comparison - I never got more than 150 pages into Infinite Jest. I once heard somebody say that when you read Infinite Jest, for the first 300 pages, you wish it was 300 pages shorter; for the second 300 pages you think it's just right; for the last 300 pages you wish it was 300 pages longer. But then I'm prejudiced; it's probably my second-favorite novel ever behind Brothers Karamazov.
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Post by 0emmanuel on Nov 13, 2013 18:50:35 GMT -5
Hey, it's been a while. I don't even know what the last reading was that I mentioned here...
I did read The Castle of Otranto a few weeks ago, inspired by, um, I want to say Dr Dastardly...? Anyway, it was kind of amusing, especially the more outlandish parts (giant helmets crushing wimpy heirs!), but yeah, if it had been any longer than it was I might have put it away before the ending.
Apart from that, I've almost made my way through Shakespeare's second Henriad, or the first, I suppose, if you go by order of writing, um... I mean the Henry VI plays. They have lots of moving parts and can get somewhat confusing, especially when it comes to keeping track of characters' familial relationships. Whose brother are you again, Archbishop?
In Part 1 I was also confused in the early goings by Joan of Arc cutting a rather reasonable figure, after some comments from y'all indicating her to be rather witchy. That came in later, of course, making the character overall even more confusing. It felt like Will's editor was saying half-way through, "You can't paint her in a sympathetic light, son! Nobody will watch it! You gotta make her a witch!". Apart from her, the most memorable character was probably "last knight standing" Talbot, and his raging against the dying of the light of chivalry. There were also two nicely written dialogues, back-and-forths between Talbot and his son, and Suffolk and (Queen) Margaret, respectively. Even in his lesser works Will's writing shines (or whoever wrote those parts; as always it might not have been him!). Finally, I learned that the War of the Roses started, because these two dukes liked different-colored roses, or something. I didn't quite get that part.
Part 2 then moves the focus from the fighting in France to the inner-English struggles. Several plots are going on at once, criss-crossing each other and involving numerous players with different agendas, laid out with an efficiency that makes Game of Thrones look plodding by comparison. There is also once again a witch whose "witchiness" feels like an afterthought, though she does have rather "Lady Macbeth"ian tendencies. Rounding out the fustercluck that is Henry's reign is a popular revolt led by a pompous fool of a tanner and his wise-cracking sidekicks. One of those sidekicks gives the best line in the whole cycle: "The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers!". The people of England have their priorities straight.
Part 3 is more of the same, plus battles. It has little time for much else apart from bouncing from one historical event to the next. Interesting is the way in which the characters' motivations begin to come out of the fighting itself. Everyone's out for revenge for some family member that has been killed in a previous battle, using it as justification for more killing. A vicious cycle that continues into Richard III (which I have read, but might reread to complete this series of plays).
Apologies for the lengthy post. Again, it's been a while since I last caught a book thread.
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Post by Post-Lupin on Nov 13, 2013 19:05:25 GMT -5
For comparison - I never got more than 150 pages into Infinite Jest. I once heard somebody say that when you read Infinite Jest, for the first 300 pages, you wish it was 300 pages shorter; for the second 300 pages you think it's just right; for the last 300 pages you wish it was 300 pages longer. But then I'm prejudiced; it's probably my second-favorite novel ever behind Brothers Karamazov. Maybe one day...
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Post by Ron Howard Voice on Nov 13, 2013 19:13:53 GMT -5
I once heard somebody say that when you read Infinite Jest, for the first 300 pages, you wish it was 300 pages shorter; for the second 300 pages you think it's just right; for the last 300 pages you wish it was 300 pages longer. But then I'm prejudiced; it's probably my second-favorite novel ever behind Brothers Karamazov. Maybe one day... Can't blame you. I read it while unemployed and it took me a month.
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Post by beastofman on Nov 13, 2013 20:17:41 GMT -5
Currently reading Miss Peregrine's Home for Peculiar Children so far, so good. Creepy pictures.
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Post by haysoos on Nov 13, 2013 20:58:26 GMT -5
Just finished re-reading Neuromancer by William Gibson, after having first read it twenty years ago. Parts of it already seem a little dated, but other bits seem even more prescient.
Now I'm re-reading all the Sandman comics by Neil Gaiman. Because apparently I'm stuck in 1993 week.
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Post by guacamole on Nov 13, 2013 20:59:39 GMT -5
Dies the Fire by SM Sterling and re-reading Un Lun Dun by China Mieville. How is that? I read his Bronze Age trilogy, but was wondering about that series. I know they're loosely connected.
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Post by guacamole on Nov 13, 2013 21:01:13 GMT -5
I've been busy teaching my English classes, including an ethnic literature class, so my leisure reading has all been fantasy of late. I'm getting deep into the Shannara books.
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Post by Desert Dweller on Nov 14, 2013 1:53:05 GMT -5
Also just started The Better Angels Of Our Nature, by Steven Pinker. This puts forth the proposition that we live in the best time humans have known, in terms of declining rates of violence, crime, cruelty, etc. Only started this yesterday, but it's engagingly, stylishly written, and I hope that continues over the course of its 800 pages. This book was recommended to me about a month ago. I think I am going to give it a try. Let me know what you think of it when you're done.
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Post by Desert Dweller on Nov 14, 2013 2:01:52 GMT -5
Skippy Dies: A Novel, Paul Murray - Took me a while to get to this one, and it starts just a little slowly, but it ended up sucking me in pretty good about halfway through. This novel was sold to me as a dark comedy, but after I got through it, I would not classify it as such. I don't want to give away too much plot, but the novel deals with themes of depression, suicide, drugs, molestation, infidelity, etc. Pretty dark stuff. There are moments of great lightness, but overall it's a very dark and sad story. Still, the characters are well-drawn, and it's a good read. Plus, I'm a sucker for a good Irish novel. Like Scrawler, I enjoyed this book a lot. I had almost the same experience as you. It didn't really grab me until about halfway through. And then I sat one night and read the entire second half in one sitting. Totally lost track of time. I keep wanting to recommend it to people, but I suspect none of my friends would like it. I am finishing up Primo Levi's "The Periodic Table". It is absolutely brilliant so far. Only have 3 chapters left. I also picked up Michio Kaku's "The Physics of the Impossible" recently. Read about half of it this week. It's fun. I am determined to finish volume 2 of Proust's "In Search of Lost Time" before New Year's Eve. And then I found a copy of "Lonesome Dove" at a used bookstore for $1. So, I'm going to give that a try. Anyone read it?
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Post by 30helensagree on Nov 14, 2013 12:51:00 GMT -5
Just finished re-reading Neuromancer by William Gibson, after having first read it twenty years ago. Parts of it already seem a little dated, but other bits seem even more prescient. Now I'm re-reading all the Sandman comics by Neil Gaiman. Because apparently I'm stuck in 1993 week. I just finished Worlds' End and started in on The Kindly Ones, so I'm in 1993 with you. Cool flannel.
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Post by Dr. Dastardly on Nov 14, 2013 13:08:46 GMT -5
Desert Dweller, I put Lonesome Dove on my not-very-carefully-thought-out Top Five Books Ever list elsewhere in this forum. Man, I fucking love that book. It's wonderful.
Guacamole, I'd be interested in hearing about the syllabus for your ethnic literature course!
Haysoos, I just read Neuromancer last month and I agree with you; not as dated as I thought it'd be.
Lupin, grow a pair and read Infinite Jest. That was also on my Top Five list. It's as good as people say it is, and that's saying a lot.
0Emmanuel, hey, Otranto! High five! Yeah, I mentioned earlier in this thread that it was just okay for me too. But hey, at least it was short.
And I think the Henry VIs are some of Shakespeare's lamer plays. It was probably me (among others) who was yelling Joan of Arc's witchiness, the only entertaining thing about the Henry VIs in my opinion. I read them just a few years ago but remember basically nothing else. As you say, there are all these fuckin' characters, and whatever. Henry IVs and V are so much more awesome.
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Post by Roy Batty's Pet Dove on Nov 14, 2013 13:58:03 GMT -5
Guacamole, I'd be interested in hearing about the syllabus for your ethnic literature course! I second this, guacamole .
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