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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2017 15:37:34 GMT -5
The winner of the September Anniversary Record Club poll is Studio Ghibli's Spirited Away, the English dub of which was released stateside by Walt Disney on September 20, 2002. The film is the highest-grossing release in Japan and arguably the most iconic Miyazaki movie. It also won Best Animated Feature at the Oscars, making it to date both the only hand-drawn and anime film to win the award. Tell us what you think after 15 years, which saw more Ghibli releases, including The Wind Rises (Miyazaki's final film before retirement), and some memes. What else was happening in September 2002:- The Arab League disavows the final statement made by the Zayed Center for Coordination and Follow-Up, reaffirming the Israeli/Palestinian conflict.
- Serena Williams defeats Venus at the US Open.
- An assassination attempt is made on President Hamid Karzai of Afghanistan.
- The first anniversary of 9/11.
- Switzerland joins the UN.
- Plans are further set in motion for the US invasion of Iraq.
No streaming available (unless you live in Brazil and have Netflix).
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2017 16:43:32 GMT -5
People talk about Jihiro/Sen as the hero of the movie, but we all know the true protagonist is the Radish Spirit right
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Post by Jean-Luc Lemur on Sept 17, 2017 20:12:14 GMT -5
Seriously, look at this guy He should be extremely off-putting, almost horrific with those little wiggling hairy tubules, but instead he’s not. He just seemed a part of that would, another being, someone you’re a bit curious about but not really threatened by, except for a bit of sympathetic discomfort when he steps into the elevator with Chihiro (now I see why @billy identified with him). The sort of intricate, mid-ground detail is the best kind of cinematic worldbuilding—it doesn’t have to be explained but it rounds out the environment of the film and makes it seem more real.
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Post by MrsLangdonAlger on Sept 17, 2017 20:33:48 GMT -5
So excited to rewatch this for film club! I'm gonna try and watch it with Iffy this weekend.
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Post by LazBro on Sept 18, 2017 8:11:34 GMT -5
Baby and I watched this 3 or 4 weeks ago, her first and my zillionth. It's my favorite animated film and probably in my top 5 movies of all time. Certainly my favorite Miyazaki. Man, I feel so strongly about this movie that I don't know if I can even compose rational thoughts about it.
I'll try to be back.
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Post by ganews on Sept 18, 2017 8:49:29 GMT -5
Is this a good place to start a holy war where us righteous subtitle people burn the English-dub infidels?
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Post by dwarfoscar on Sept 18, 2017 12:59:28 GMT -5
It delights me that such a fascinatingly weird movie was such an international success. But what I always wondered is if its perceived "weirdness" is only an occidental point of view. It's obvious the average Japanese movie-goer will have a much better grasp of the movie's themes and philosophy, but what percentage of sheer lunacy still remains for him after understanding most of it.
If poetry is the realm of the unexplainable, does that make the movie more poetic to a foreign audience ?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2017 23:43:27 GMT -5
I don't understand why Chihiro's father drives like such a lunatic at the beginning. Is he supposed to be possessed already?
I understand that on some level it's about innocence and corruption, even though Chihiro may not fully understand all the implications of a bath house (though I maintain that the Radish Spirit is really just there for a bath). Also I think the environmental themes tie into this--rivers getting polluted, just as some of the adults get polluted e.g. her parents taking food that was not theirs to take. Sen is a hero because she isn't yet polluted by, say, greed for No-Face's (fake) gold. It's a romantic view of the nobility of children, but though romantic there's some truth to it--we all know when we're slipping; we know what we should be doing. Some people are more tuned into that inner voice ("Stay the course, billy--you're doing SUPER").
Beyond the morals of the story, though, are some fascinating characters. I LOVE Kumaji the boiler man, savouring newts and mixing impossibly obscure bath herbs. I want to know more about him, even though I know it's unnecessary and would interfere with the pace. We have to make do with what we have on the Daikon Spirit and Kumaji.
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Post by ganews on Sept 19, 2017 7:11:49 GMT -5
I don't understand why Chihiro's father drives like such a lunatic at the beginning. Is he supposed to be possessed already? I understand that on some level it's about innocence and corruption, even though Chihiro may not fully understand all the implications of a bath house (though I maintain that the Radish Spirit is really just there for a bath). I feel confident in saying there are no adult implications to the the bath house. Everyone goes to hot springs, it's like going to the beach. As for the driving, that just seems to be a Miyazaki thing. The mother drives even crazier in Ponyo.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2017 10:57:24 GMT -5
I don't understand why Chihiro's father drives like such a lunatic at the beginning. Is he supposed to be possessed already? I understand that on some level it's about innocence and corruption, even though Chihiro may not fully understand all the implications of a bath house (though I maintain that the Radish Spirit is really just there for a bath). I feel confident in saying there are no adult implications to the the bath house. Everyone goes to hot springs, it's like going to the beach. As for the driving, that just seems to be a Miyazaki thing. The mother drives even crazier in Ponyo. Oh I'm not one of those people who say that the movie is all about prostitution or child sex slavery. I still think there are undertones of sex--it's a place where the spirits pay for pleasure. It's not all or nothing. Maybe parents driving like maniacs with their mouths open in a silent scream is supposed to be funny.
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Post by MrsLangdonAlger on Sept 24, 2017 12:12:14 GMT -5
Ifwewait and I watched this last night. Still as fantastic as always, with beautiful (also sometimes off-putting or disturbing) imagery.
One theme I love in the movie is that of helpfulness. While the world Chihiro finds herself in is really harsh on the surface level, many of the people she runs into are immediately helpful to her, seemingly just because they are witnessing someone in distress. And she does the same, helping Haku, No Face, and others simply because they are helpless/in distress. It's really a very kind-hearted movie.
I also love how cinematic it is. Often, animated movies focus only on what drives the story: there isn't really a lot of detail on the side, or any "unnecessary" shots. But we get things like the repeated shots of the flowers, or the shot of Chihiro looking out of the window while she rides the train, that really add to the beauty of the movie.
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Post by Jean-Luc Lemur on Sept 28, 2017 15:01:20 GMT -5
Rewatched this last night and paid particularly close attention to the radish spirit this time around. @billy I think the radish spirit might also be a shareholder or somehow involved in running the place—he’s hanging around the background for the whole movie and seems familiar with all the different levels—maybe he’s a favored regular? The Dissolve had a couple of articles on Spirited Away a while back—here’s what I said back then: I’d also note the sort of fairy-tale logic: Yubaba has to employ Chihiro and it’s like, “Oh, no big deal, that’s just the way this world is.” Big baby? NBD. Hungry guy with no identity? NBD. Really, the fact that Lin—who’s a great character, and a bit of an audience surrogate if you start out a bit annoyed at Chihiro (I can’t imagine watching this in at Chihiro’s age school because in some ways really too close to the sort of girl that annoyed me then, though now I really like the naturalism—the extra-girly running, for instance—and find her pretty understandable/empathetic)—is almost human seems to stick out. Other vintage J-LL remarks: I’d also add that fact that the soots immediately try to take advantage of Chihiro is a nice, subtle hint that the bathhouse isn’t the most welcoming place to work, even if you aren’t a human. On the topic of river spirits, last night I also made a fairly obvious connection that I somehow missed before: Haku’s the spirit of a river that got channeled and decked over by development, while the bathhouse, refuge for the spirits, is located where nature’s taking over again after the economic failure. A note on the music—I’ve since gotten into all sorts of weird eighties Japanese music, and Hisaishi was part the Mkwaju Ensemble, which was interested in percussive minimalism. Although Hisaishi’s scores are typically very European-sounding—probably even self-consciously European-sounding— Spirited Away allows him to indulge in some of that older, more percussive and repetitive stuff, adding a bit of alien-ness to the background. It’s a shame he couldn’t get that back for The Tale of Princess Kaguya, where the heavenly procession’s background music sounded like some kind of world music easy listening. ganews The crazy driving’s definitely a Miyazaki thing—it’s worth noting that Lupin III, despite being the sort of franchise where you’d expect car chases, really only started featuring car-chase (and acrobatic, physics-defying car-chases) after Miyazaki started working on it and carried on after he stopped. Also very Miyazakian is the amount of detail—before you even see the outside it’s recognizably a nineties Audi from the interior. I think the fact that it was an Audi also helps code the parents as kind of yuppie (or ruppie now that they’re moving out to the middle of nowhere?) and self-involved.
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Post by Jean-Luc Lemur on Sept 28, 2017 15:30:19 GMT -5
dwarfoscar No idea how it plays in Japan, but there seems to be a lot of crossover with European lore wrt Yubaba/Zeniba, at least. Interesting also that river guardians feature so heavily into this—it’s a normal concept to be because I grew up with Greek mythology. Interesting, too, that the Greek river gods are also depicted as serpentine:
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