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Post by Mrs David Tennant on Jul 2, 2019 19:32:31 GMT -5
He also sexually harassed at least one Avocado/AVC member, asserted that groping people was totally fine and dandy because it's "different" for gay men, and threw a screaming hissy fit when he was called on it. Regardless of that, I can still be sorry that a man as young as that died what was probably quite a painful death. Yes, he had flaws, even major ones, but do you really want people after your death to remind others about your flaws?
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Post by MyNameIsNoneOfYourGoddamnBusin on Jul 3, 2019 5:30:38 GMT -5
I suppose his lifetime ban is over.
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Post by Lt. Broccoli on Jul 3, 2019 7:21:30 GMT -5
Regardless of that, I can still be sorry that a man as young as that died what was probably quite a painful death. Yes, he had flaws, even major ones, but do you really want people after your death to remind others about your flaws? Seems like the best time to do it, really.
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Post by ArchieLeach on Jul 3, 2019 7:33:18 GMT -5
He also sexually harassed at least one Avocado/AVC member, asserted that groping people was totally fine and dandy because it's "different" for gay men, and threw a screaming hissy fit when he was called on it. Regardless of that, I can still be sorry that a man as young as that died what was probably quite a painful death. Yes, he had flaws, even major ones, but do you really want people after your death to remind others about your flaws? It really hits me how powerful words are, and the internet. As a boy growing up in a mean little village, I looked to music, TV, and books for signs of intelligence in the world. I was an audience, a receiver of expression. Although I could write and, later, make music well, I never felt there was any way to be part of a community. My words and music would fall on deaf ears as fashions and politics changed. The isolation of my location combined with the lack of available extended family and a complete lack of trust in my peers meant all my kicks were solitary. Where could an intelligent leftist atheist young man turn?
There's a good chance that, had the internet been available when I was growing up, my life would have turned out differently. There would have been an audience for my words, and there would have been a supporting response for the ideas I expressed. I wouldn't have felt so intellectually alone, and with an audience I may have grown an audience for whatever creative impulse I had.
But maybe it wouldn't have gone like that. My basic temperament wouldn't have been any different. I've inherited from the Dutch side of my family the need to understand and empathize with other worldviews while trying to build a workable consensus. As a salesman I am constantly harping that nobody, nobody, NOBODY knows how to negotiate anymore. That involves understanding what's important to you, what's important to the other side, and finding a way to work together. As a creative person, I see the markets for such things are carved up into a vanishing middle which many dismiss as bland and into inflexible extremes. Because things are so new, these markets change shape quickly with each technological advance, and entire media are extinguished. Goodbye newspapers, goodbye Top 40 music.
Look at the monster which is Facebook. It has reduced us to being wannabe greeting card writers, wannabe headline writers, wanna be stand-up comedians. Less than 20 years on we've been sent to our corners where we can be marketed. For the advertisers it's a network, but for the rest of us it's an immense set of closets. I've been shown the faces of the people I grew up with, and we've slammed doors in each other's faces all over again.
So instead of Beatles, instead of Star Wars (the original), instead of M*A*S*H, we have an unending line of cult favorites (OK, there's Harry Potter, the one true mass break-through, unless you consider book-reading a cult activity). And we have the internet.
So here I am babbling on a site where maybe twelve people will see my words, late for work. It's still better than writing in a diary. idiotking and I shared at least three things - the love of pop culture, the need to spout off about it, and the responsibility of caring for a mother. I suspect that the recurring feelings of isolation are also in common - it's one of the curses of the thinking human's condition, right? But he allowed his feelings to guide him to reckless words, words which may not have directly harmed people but which we imagine may have set an uncomfortable, aggressive tone in some places, both the real world and in the virtual.
If I had been a real-world friend of idiotking , I would have pushed him to make a proper apology. Or maybe I wouldn't have had the patience with his amping up conflict. I don't know. I do know that he loved participating in these communities. He was hurt when he was rejected, but not enough adjust how he wrote. I hope he found peace in what was truly important to him. I'm sad to hear how his life ended. His picture on Disqus shows him smiling next to his dog. Now I'll remember him that way.
Gotta go to work now. In the real world.
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Post by The Stuffingtacular She-Hulk on Jul 3, 2019 8:54:01 GMT -5
He also sexually harassed at least one Avocado/AVC member, asserted that groping people was totally fine and dandy because it's "different" for gay men, and threw a screaming hissy fit when he was called on it. Regardless of that, I can still be sorry that a man as young as that died what was probably quite a painful death. Yes, he had flaws, even major ones, but do you really want people after your death to remind others about your flaws? I am sorry for his manner of death. You can be sorry too; I never said anyone shouldn't be. However, although his death was out of his hands, his life was not, and I am not going to forget his continual disregard of consent and refusal to acknowledge that he ever did anything wrong. Consent is not optional, and as a woman who's been sexually assaulted and doesn't have a single female friend who's never been harassed or assaulted, I have strong feelings about it. And I'm not going to allow the narrative around his death to be, "What a great guy he was, he was so wonderful," because he was not a wonderful or great guy. If I ever behaved this way, I certainly would hope that people didn't sweep it under the rug just because I died.
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Post by patbat on Jul 3, 2019 9:42:40 GMT -5
Regardless of that, I can still be sorry that a man as young as that died what was probably quite a painful death. Yes, he had flaws, even major ones, but do you really want people after your death to remind others about your flaws? I am sorry for his manner of death. You can be sorry too; I never said anyone shouldn't be. However, although his death was out of his hands, his life was not, and I am not going to forget his continual disregard of consent and refusal to acknowledge that he ever did anything wrong. Consent is not optional, and as a woman who's been sexually assaulted and doesn't have a single female friend who's never been harassed or assaulted, I have strong feelings about it. And I'm not going to allow the narrative around his death to be, "What a great guy he was, he was so wonderful," because he was not a wonderful or great guy. If I ever behaved this way, I certainly would hope that people didn't sweep it under the rug just because I died. Hear, hear!
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Post by Floyd Diabolical Barber on Jul 3, 2019 23:12:23 GMT -5
It was terrible that he said those things and acted that way. It was terrible that he got cancer and died. So it goes. Neither negates the other.
It can be two things.
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Post by Prole Hole on Jul 4, 2019 7:47:43 GMT -5
I suppose his lifetime ban is over. Ha
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Post by Dellarigg on Jul 4, 2019 10:49:29 GMT -5
Christopher Booker.
One of the big pests of British life in recent decades, this contrarian nincompoop never opened his gob without saying something woefully, tendentiously incorrect about the EU or climate change or asbestos being okay for you ... but his book The Seven Basic Plots is within sight as I type this, and has provided me with many, many exercises for students, as well as being a fascinating read in its own right. And he was one of the founders of Private Eye. Oh well, people are funny mixes, are they not.
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Post by Prole Hole on Jul 4, 2019 10:53:48 GMT -5
Christopher Booker. One of the big pests of British life in recent decades, this contrarian nincompoop never opened his gob without saying something woefully, tendentiously incorrect about the EU or climate change or asbestos being okay for you ... but his book The Seven Basic Plots is within sight as I type this, and has provided me with many, many exercises for students, as well as being a fascinating read in its own right. And he was one of the founders of Private Eye. Oh well, people are funny mixes, are they not. Now I'm sad at the long absence of Willie Rushton.
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Post by songstarliner on Jul 7, 2019 10:43:26 GMT -5
RIP legendary singer, songwriter, and guitarist Joao Gilberto, widely regarded as the inventor of bossa nova.
Such beautiful music. Such a beautiful voice.
If you haven't heard the Getz/Gilberto record, get on that right away.
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Post by chalkdevil 😈 on Jul 9, 2019 10:43:28 GMT -5
Ross Perot, who, it turns out, was still alive.
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Post by Powerthirteen on Jul 9, 2019 10:45:12 GMT -5
RIP Ross "Go on, throw your vote away!" Perot. Frinkiac's frame sequencing is goofed so I can either get a brief flash of the White House or not get Ross's fist going through the hat. Decisions, decisions.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2019 12:32:29 GMT -5
One cool thing you can say about Ross Perot: In 1989, he put up a blank check to fund the efforts to save the Treaty Oak in Austin when some creep poisoned it with herbicide.
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Post by Mr. Greene's October Surprise on Jul 9, 2019 18:50:40 GMT -5
I can't fucking believe Ross Perot was only 89.
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Post by Rainbow Rosa on Jul 9, 2019 19:18:27 GMT -5
H.W. like six months ago, now Perot? Clinton better watch his fucking back lol
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Post by Mr. Greene's October Surprise on Jul 9, 2019 19:33:31 GMT -5
H.W. like six months ago, now Perot? Clinton better watch his fucking back lol Sadly, Clinton is younger than both Trump and W. Bush, by a month each. All three born in 1946. So, he's got time, yet.
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Post by MyNameIsNoneOfYourGoddamnBusin on Jul 10, 2019 8:19:12 GMT -5
Also on the "surprised he was still alive and only that old": Rip Torn, dead at eighty-eight.
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Post by Jimmy James on Jul 10, 2019 8:48:59 GMT -5
Also on the "surprised he was still alive and only that old": Rip Torn, dead at eighty-eight. RIP, Rip
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Post by Pedantic Editor Type on Jul 10, 2019 9:09:40 GMT -5
He also sexually harassed at least one Avocado/AVC member, asserted that groping people was totally fine and dandy because it's "different" for gay men, and threw a screaming hissy fit when he was called on it. Regardless of that, I can still be sorry that a man as young as that died what was probably quite a painful death. Yes, he had flaws, even major ones, but do you really want people after your death to remind others about your flaws? I am late to this discussion, but I don't think we should sanitize people in their death. Cancer sucks, dying young sucks, but he chose his own legacy. I am speaking as someone who did not attend her own grandfather's funeral because he was an abusive, racist, sexist bigot. I was sad for my mom and her siblings for losing a parent, I was sad for my grandma who inexplicably stayed with him for 60 years, but I could support them without honoring him at all. I'm sorry for IdiotKing's family's suffering, and I'm not saying he was 100% horrible, but we do not need to whitewash the bad parts just because he died young.
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Post by Crash Test Dumbass on Jul 10, 2019 9:49:40 GMT -5
I suppose his lifetime ban is over. So, true story, I got to see some of Walmart's management paperwork a few years back, and when someone left the company, they were placed into one of three groups: Voluntary dismissal, would rehire; Involuntary dismissal, would rehire; Involuntary dismissal, would not rehire. The middle group was mostly for people who were laid off with staff reductions, and the latter for people who were fired. However, one of the categories of separation that fell into "involuntary, would rehire" was death.
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Post by Mr. Greene's October Surprise on Jul 10, 2019 19:47:04 GMT -5
R.I.P., Torn.
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Post by Mr. Greene's October Surprise on Jul 10, 2019 20:14:56 GMT -5
R.I.P., Denise Nickerson -- from the original Dark Shadows series and Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory.
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Post by Nudeviking on Jul 10, 2019 20:24:11 GMT -5
I suppose his lifetime ban is over. So, true story, I got to see some of Walmart's management paperwork a few years back, and when someone left the company, they were placed into one of three groups: Voluntary dismissal, would rehire; Involuntary dismissal, would rehire; Involuntary dismissal, would not rehire. The middle group was mostly for people who were laid off with staff reductions, and the latter for people who were fired. However, one of the categories of separation that fell into "involuntary, would rehire" was death. Leaving the door open for the inevitable zombie apocalypse I suppose.
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Post by Crash Test Dumbass on Jul 11, 2019 8:26:41 GMT -5
So, true story, I got to see some of Walmart's management paperwork a few years back, and when someone left the company, they were placed into one of three groups: Voluntary dismissal, would rehire; Involuntary dismissal, would rehire; Involuntary dismissal, would not rehire. The middle group was mostly for people who were laid off with staff reductions, and the latter for people who were fired. However, one of the categories of separation that fell into "involuntary, would rehire" was death. Leaving the door open for the inevitable zombie apocalypse I suppose. It keeps the costs down if you don't have to pay them a living wage.
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Post by Trurl on Jul 12, 2019 11:36:24 GMT -5
RIP Cheddar
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Post by Nudeviking on Jul 15, 2019 2:03:44 GMT -5
RIP Cheddar The cheese?
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Post by Rainbow Rosa on Jul 15, 2019 4:28:33 GMT -5
RIP Cheddar The cheese?
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Post by Nudeviking on Jul 15, 2019 5:21:39 GMT -5
That is a dog that is clearly named Captain Roy Holt. I am uncertain what this has to do with the death of a cheese.
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Post by Trurl on Jul 15, 2019 6:44:52 GMT -5
That is a dog that is clearly named Captain Roy Holt. I am uncertain what this has to do with the death of a cheese. YOU'RE A LOOSE CANNON - TURN IN YOUR BADGE!
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