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Post by Pedantic Editor Type on Jan 31, 2019 10:09:13 GMT -5
I only know Rent because my bestie from college, who I roomed with for a year, had the soundtrack on constant repeat. She also kinda made me watch the movie.
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Post by Liz n Dicksgiving on Jan 31, 2019 10:17:37 GMT -5
Yeah but also fuck Phantom. Andrew Lloyd Webber is a hack. Well... yes*. But don't tell 13-year-old me that! *Except for Jesus Christ Superstar, which is perfect in every way. |
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Post by Dr. Rumak on Jan 31, 2019 10:29:31 GMT -5
Yeah but also fuck Phantom. Andrew Lloyd Webber is a hack. Well... yes*. But don't tell 13-year-old me that! *Except for Jesus Christ Superstar, which is perfect in every way. I don't hate Andrew Lloyd Webber, and I think both Jesus Christ Superstar and Evita are great. But I can never bring myself to watch Phantom because it beat out Into the Woods for a Tony award. |
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Post by ayatollahcm on Jan 31, 2019 14:52:40 GMT -5
The original JC Superstar concept album is fantastic, if only because they got actual rock singers to perform it, as opposed to musical theater singers singing rock music which. Does. Not. Work.
But Phantom and most other Lloyd Webber is trash. Hair is trash. Grease only works if you camp it the fuck up and make it so that the subtext is that all the dudes really want to fuck each other, all the girls really want to fuck each other, and Danny and Sandy get together only so that they have a beard.
And I don't know if Rent will ever work. It really needs a creative overhaul that emphasizes the drug use and how awful the experience in the early 90s must have been, as opposed to glamorizing poverty and suffering. But Larson's death makes everyone touchy about any creative interpretation, as if Rent was born a perfect composition and not still a piece that never left workshop mode because its creator died before it opened.
I also never need to see another production of Into the Woods, Fiddler on the Roof, or pretty much any 3-hour musical unless it's done by a top-rate Broadway cast.
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Post by MyNameIsNoneOfYourGoddamnBusin on Jan 31, 2019 17:32:55 GMT -5
I've said it before, but I don't believe anyone has ever gone to see a play.
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Post by Dellarigg on Jan 31, 2019 17:37:31 GMT -5
Oooh, yeah, Rent! That's another one that I wouldn't know if one of its songs walked up to me and kicked me, and I'm proud of it. Ugh, theater kids. ::shudder:: I think I've atmospherically picked up a shred or two of Les Mis here or there along the way, but I've also never seen that one. I was a Phantom of the Opera-or-die kid when I was aspiring to be theater-y in middle school (it was new at the time, so it was, like, the cool thing for us 13-year-old wannabe theater dorks to be into, I swear!) and I felt like Les Mis was challenging my beloved's primacy. So I always hated it in a zero-sum kind of way. Being a rational young teen, and all. And sure, now I'm 30 years older, but you know what? FUCK LES MIS! Yeah but also fuck Phantom. Andrew Lloyd Webber is a hack. A Tory hack at that. Fuck him and the horse he rode in on. |
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Post by Mrs David Tennant on Jan 31, 2019 17:41:00 GMT -5
Game of Thrones (books & movies)
Horror movies (along with anything that's just gross)
Always Sunny (just looks mean-spirited)
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Post by LazBro on Jan 31, 2019 20:26:34 GMT -5
TEDTalks. Do TEDTalks count? I don't even know if I am writing it correctly and I don't care enough to check. YouTube. YouTube celebrities. Popular YouTube Channels. Vloggers. I just don't follow YouTube. There's stuff on YouTube other than 90s alterna-rock music videos and videos of alleged ghost shit? Dude, I just told you there are loads of PYTs who will slowly eat Chik-Fil-A for you while you jerk off. Like, we just talked about this! |
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Post by Rainbow Rosa on Jan 31, 2019 20:27:18 GMT -5
The original JC Superstar concept album is fantastic, if only because they got actual rock singers to perform it, as opposed to musical theater singers singing rock music which. Does. Not. Work. But Phantom and most other Lloyd Webber is trash. Hair is trash. Grease only works if you camp it the fuck up and make it so that the subtext is that all the dudes really want to fuck each other, all the girls really want to fuck each other, and Danny and Sandy get together only so that they have a beard. And I don't know if Rent will ever work. It really needs a creative overhaul that emphasizes the drug use and how awful the experience in the early 90s must have been, as opposed to glamorizing poverty and suffering. But Larson's death makes everyone touchy about any creative interpretation, as if Rent was born a perfect composition and not still a piece that never left workshop mode because its creator died before it opened. I also never need to see another production of Into the Woods, Fiddler on the Roof, or pretty much any 3-hour musical unless it's done by a top-rate Broadway cast. My takeaway from this whole conversation is that Sondheim is beyond reproach, as he should be. |
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Post by Nudeviking on Jan 31, 2019 20:32:01 GMT -5
There's stuff on YouTube other than 90s alterna-rock music videos and videos of alleged ghost shit? Dude, I just told you there are loads of PYTs who will slowly eat Chik-Fil-A for you while you jerk off. Like, we just talked about this! Did you mention them being on YouTube? I just assumed that stuff was on PornHub or (insert other porn based YouTube knockoff here). |
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Post by fab on Jan 31, 2019 20:59:41 GMT -5
The original JC Superstar concept album is fantastic, if only because they got actual rock singers to perform it, as opposed to musical theater singers singing rock music which. Does. Not. Work. But Phantom and most other Lloyd Webber is trash. Hair is trash. Grease only works if you camp it the fuck up and make it so that the subtext is that all the dudes really want to fuck each other, all the girls really want to fuck each other, and Danny and Sandy get together only so that they have a beard. And I don't know if Rent will ever work. It really needs a creative overhaul that emphasizes the drug use and how awful the experience in the early 90s must have been, as opposed to glamorizing poverty and suffering. But Larson's death makes everyone touchy about any creative interpretation, as if Rent was born a perfect composition and not still a piece that never left workshop mode because its creator died before it opened. I also never need to see another production of Into the Woods, Fiddler on the Roof, or pretty much any 3-hour musical unless it's done by a top-rate Broadway cast. without realizing what exactly the film adaptation of Into the Woods was erm... adapting, I went to the theatre with some friends. there was definitely a tonal shift where there probably would've been a break between acts. it felt super jarring, and not having an intermission made the movie feel interminably long. like... three times longer than it may have actually been. |
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Post by ganews on Feb 2, 2019 16:26:45 GMT -5
YouTube film/TV criticism. Wifemate listens to these all the time while doing other things, even for movies she hasn't actually seen. Seems like for every bit of media produced there's 100x as much YouTube content critiquing it. The only time I ever sought any of this out myself was when everybody started talking about Mr. Plinkett and the Phantom Menace, and it took me about three minutes to quit on that terrible voice/persona. I can tell from what I overhear that there is well-done stuff out there in terms of both content and presentation, but it sure doesn't appeal to me.
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Post by Roy Batty's Pet Dove on Feb 2, 2019 17:21:51 GMT -5
YouTube film/TV criticism. Wifemate listens to these all the time while doing other things, even for movies she hasn't actually seen. Seems like for every bit of media produced there's 100x as much YouTube content critiquing it. The only time I ever sought any of this out myself was when everybody started talking about Mr. Plinkett and the Phantom Menace, and it took me about three minutes to quit on that terrible voice/persona. I can tell from what I overhear that there is well-done stuff out there in terms of both content and presentation, but it sure doesn't appeal to me. What is a Mr. Plinkett and what does he have to do with The Phantom Menace? Is he one of those cartoony fish guys? I think that Youtube film/TV criticism (and Youtube "video essay" people in general) have an appeal that is much the same as the appeal of podcasts. They're the sort of things that I don't think most people would just sit down to watch like a TV show or a movie that they really care about, but which can be consumed while doing other things (like your wife listening to them while doing other stuff). The parasocial relationship aspect of podcasts/Youtube personalities probably also explains a great deal of why such media is so popular even when the premise of any specific creators podcasts/videos may seem baffling to people who don't consume it. And you're right, there's really shitty Youtubers on any subject, but also some good ones (Lindsay Ellis and Hbomberguy when he does film/TV criticism are examples of good Youtube media critics) but even with the latter category, it's definitely the sort of thing that isn't for everyone. I like some of the good Youtube "video essay" people as a thing to put on as I'm falling asleep, the way that others like to put on reruns of an old sitcom they like or late night talk shows or what have you, but I certainly don't think that any such creator is so transcendently brilliant that one simply has to enjoy their content in order to have good taste or whatever, and I think the intensity of some of the fandom around such figures has to be offputting to some as well. |
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Post by MyNameIsNoneOfYourGoddamnBusin on Feb 2, 2019 17:48:52 GMT -5
YouTube film/TV criticism. Wifemate listens to these all the time while doing other things, even for movies she hasn't actually seen. Seems like for every bit of media produced there's 100x as much YouTube content critiquing it. The only time I ever sought any of this out myself was when everybody started talking about Mr. Plinkett and the Phantom Menace, and it took me about three minutes to quit on that terrible voice/persona. I can tell from what I overhear that there is well-done stuff out there in terms of both content and presentation, but it sure doesn't appeal to me. An ex-girlfriend used to play as she/we slept as her version of white noise. Irritating nit-picky attempts at comedy. I don't see the appeal either. |
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Post by Dr. Rumak on Feb 6, 2019 9:43:47 GMT -5
Last night I continued my perfect streak of having never watched a State of the Union address.
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Post by The Stuffingtacular She-Hulk on Feb 7, 2019 8:08:34 GMT -5
I'm sure Marie Kondo is a very nice lady, but watching a television show about people cleaning out their houses doesn't appeal to me in the least and I'm getting pretty tired of the "if you don't like her you're obviously racist and a slob" bullshit.
And "spark joy" IS a stupid phrase.
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Post by Liz n Dicksgiving on Feb 7, 2019 10:18:09 GMT -5
I'm sure Marie Kondo is a very nice lady, but watching a television show about people cleaning out their houses doesn't appeal to me in the least and I'm getting pretty tired of the "if you don't like her you're obviously racist and a slob" bullshit. And "spark joy" IS a stupid phrase. I had actually thought the last time there was a massive Marie Kondo obsession, the bubble finally burst and the consensus was that she was someone dealing with a pretty disordered relationship with the objects in her own life, and that whole chapter in all of our lives was kinda weird and let's never speak of it again. But now everyone's obsessed again, so maybe I'm misremembering and/or totally making this up? (I mean, honestly, what do I know? I'm the Clutter Queen of New Jersey. Marie Kondo and I do not run in the same circles!) |
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Post by Pedantic Editor Type on Feb 7, 2019 10:39:15 GMT -5
I have mixed feelings about Marie Kondo. I DO want to encourage myself to get rid of things that I am not using, that don't fit, that are old and busted, etc. I do feel better with a bit less clutter in my life. I do get overly attached to objects sometimes.
But, I don't think "minimalism" is right for everyone - and I understand a lot of the disagreement, too. There's nothing wrong with keeping something that you like having around, as long as you're not a hoarder.
I don't think anyone is racist simply for not liking her, but there has *also* been some racist backlash, c.f. Barbara Ehrenreich and some of the terrible replies she got.
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Post by The Stuffingtacular She-Hulk on Feb 7, 2019 10:52:27 GMT -5
Oh, I'm sure there has been some racist backlash because people are terrible and we can't have nice things. But my personal experience has been seeing over-the-top aggressive defensiveness on her behalf, with a big ol' heap o' guilt-tripping, and it just really turns me off. I get an immense satisfaction when I finish decluttering and organizing my own space, but I don't get that satisfaction from watching other people do it. And I certainly don't like being essentially ordered to watch a show just because it's popular right now. If I wanted to watch it, I would! Just leave me be so I can watch my PBS cooking shows, damn it. I don't bug people about watching Jacques Pepin! I would like to, but not everyone likes to watch people cook.
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Post by Crash Test Dumbass on Feb 7, 2019 11:09:34 GMT -5
Does it count that if it's a video of something that could be much better explained via text, I simply won't watch it? I'll watch music videos, and I'm fine with watching other people play video games (which I'm sure will be someone else's entry here), but if the article is a video, I'm out. |
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Post by Pastafarian on Feb 7, 2019 12:07:34 GMT -5
Does it count that if it's a video of something that could be much better explained via text, I simply won't watch it? I'll watch music videos, and I'm fine with watching other people play video games (which I'm sure will be someone else's entry here), but if the article is a video, I'm out. This, exactly. I sometimes will click a news headline on my phone and when a video (instead of an article) pops up I just close it out. I'd rather read than watch an ad for something before finally getting to watch a video that I didn't need to watch. |
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Post by Post-St. Patty's Day Bloat on Feb 7, 2019 12:36:20 GMT -5
I don't give a shit about Frank Zappa.
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Post by patbat on Feb 7, 2019 13:07:26 GMT -5
I know that Post Malone is basically What If Lana Del Rey Was A Dude, but beyond that I do not care
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Post by Dr. Rumak on Feb 7, 2019 13:38:58 GMT -5
I know that Post Malone is basically What If Lana Del Rey Was A Dude, but beyond that I do not care Does it count as avoiding if I have never heard of it? Cause as far as I knew, Post Malone was just a description of the last decade for the Utah Jazz. |
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Post by Trurl on Feb 7, 2019 14:58:49 GMT -5
I know that Post Malone is basically What If Lana Del Rey Was A Dude, but beyond that I do not care Does it count as avoiding if I have never heard of it? Cause as far as I knew, Post Malone was just a description of the last decade for the Utah Jazz. I always think Post Malone is some type of very specific academic critical theory. I'm not a Post-Malonian. |
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Post by fab on Feb 7, 2019 16:18:14 GMT -5
Does it count that if it's a video of something that could be much better explained via text, I simply won't watch it? I'll watch music videos, and I'm fine with watching other people play video games (which I'm sure will be someone else's entry here), but if the article is a video, I'm out. there are entire websites I completely avoid due to rampant abuse of that shit. why would I want to watch a silly video when I could skim read something in a tenth of the time? hard pass. |
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Post by Ben Grimm on Feb 7, 2019 18:36:03 GMT -5
Does it count as avoiding if I have never heard of it? Cause as far as I knew, Post Malone was just a description of the last decade for the Utah Jazz. I always think Post Malone is some type of very specific academic critical theory. I'm not a Post-Malonian. Post-Malone is a desperate pitch NBC had for a Cheers show without Ted Danson. |
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Post by LazBro on Feb 7, 2019 20:58:45 GMT -5
I'm sure Marie Kondo is a very nice lady, but watching a television show about people cleaning out their houses doesn't appeal to me in the least and I'm getting pretty tired of the "if you don't like her you're obviously racist and a slob" bullshit. And "spark joy" IS a stupid phrase. I think I made it through with the ideal Marie Kondo experience. I've not seen a full sixty seconds of the show. Mrs. Snape had it on one night while I was putzing around in the kitchen. I glanced up briefly and noticed the subtitles. Took a second to steady myself.
"Wait, she doesn't speak English?!" "Not very much. She has a translator follow her around." "Weeeeeird."
And that was it. Moved on with my life.
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Post by Roy Batty's Pet Dove on Feb 7, 2019 22:22:01 GMT -5
I'm sure Marie Kondo is a very nice lady, but watching a television show about people cleaning out their houses doesn't appeal to me in the least and I'm getting pretty tired of the "if you don't like her you're obviously racist and a slob" bullshit. And "spark joy" IS a stupid phrase. Also worth noting that minimalism is kind of classist to begin with. It's meant for people who are financially secure and have learned that buying a bunch of consumer goods doesn't make them happier, which is fine and all, and yeah, ideally we'd live in a world where people aren't just buying loads of stuff they don't need in the first place, but that's also never going to happen until there are major changes in the way and the reasons for which goods are produced and sold. It stems from the same sort of smug mindset of individualistic liberalism that leads yuppies to think that buying a Prius and energy efficient appliances and bringing your own canvas bags to the Whole Foods is the best way to combat climate change. |
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Post by Hachiman on Feb 8, 2019 0:17:44 GMT -5
I'm sure Marie Kondo is a very nice lady, but watching a television show about people cleaning out their houses doesn't appeal to me in the least and I'm getting pretty tired of the "if you don't like her you're obviously racist and a slob" bullshit. And "spark joy" IS a stupid phrase. Also worth noting that minimalism is kind of classist to begin with. It's meant for people who are financially secure and have learned that buying a bunch of consumer goods doesn't make them happier, which is fine and all, and yeah, ideally we'd live in a world where people aren't just buying loads of stuff they don't need in the first place, but that's also never going to happen until there are major changes in the way and the reasons for which goods are produced and sold. It stems from the same sort of smug mindset of individualistic liberalism that leads yuppies to think that buying a Prius and energy efficient appliances and bringing your own canvas bags to the Whole Foods is the best way to combat climate change. Its also classist in that it tells the underclass to accept that they don't have anything and to just "embrace minimalism" as a sort of balm against the fact that its hard to make a living and have anything to show for it. It really is insidious when you think of it. Its an active attempt to inculcate the mindset of an 18th century servant who lives in a bare room in the servants' quarters and whose worldly possessions could fit in a suitcase like Mary Poppins. I know way too many struggling people in the US who are using minimalism to stave off depression. |
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