Rise of Skywalker Spoiler Thread

TESB and ROTJ had their release dates set in stone before filming even started on them.

The script for Empire was continually changing, being rewritten even as shooting went on. Lawrence Kasdan has even admitted how "under-the-gun" they were by refashioning the script after Leigh Brackett's death while they were building monsters and stuff; sure, Lucas had penned a treatment, but he also then had to pen three script drafts (which he hadn't planned on doing; that's why he'd hired Brackett to adapt his treatment), hand it over to Kasdan to script, then hash it out with Kershner, Kasdan, and Kurtz as Kasdan made his way through the drafting process. 

It was all way more involved than Lucas had ever wanted it to be -- and even then, aspects of the story were beginning to get away from him as they underwent change from Kershner and Kasdan. And then the money situation didn't help matters. 

There is a fundamental difference from adjusting a script(which plenty of films do) and then what TROS did where they scrapped pretty much all the story beats to try to answer the criticism of TLJ. It is a completely different story.

TROS at this point isn't just the worst movie. It is the worst piece of Star Wars media, that includes books, games, even holiday specials and tv movies.

Say what you will about the Holiday Special, but at the end of the day it was just a dumb little special. It doesn't matter if it is good or not.

TROS capped off all the movies that came before. It was the end of the "skywalker saga". It borrowed from the OT heavily, and this was the end, so Star Wars as a franchise could usher in a new era. What happened? It sucked, and not just sucked ass, but is a mess, a mess that Disney is not willing to just forget and move on. They keep wanting to excuse their fuckups, and instead of excusing them they are making it even worse. Like goddamn.

I did like the image of Palps fucking on the side, though. We don't know that much about the fella. 

So that's not his "son", and that would make Rey his pseudo-daughter, not granddaughter? Whatever, there's no point in trying to make this fucking movie make sense.

A DYAD! A thing so rare we've never bothered to ever mention it before, but totally didn't fucking make it up just for this movie!

Also too close to dryad, which makes me think Rey is a forest or tree nymph?

Agreed. My argument for worst dumbest idea/character in the Expanded Universe/Legends?

Lord Nyax / Irek Ismaren. "What if lightsabers, but too many?"

"I, Triclops, am the son of the Emperor!"
"NO! I, Trioculus, am the son of the Emperor!"
"NO! I, ThreeEyes-"
"NO, It is I, I-I-I, the droid-son of-"
"WRONG! I, Ree-Yees the Gran, am the true son!"

Don't remind me of the old-EU. It had a load of problems, but the general arc of the Universe post ROTJ wasn't one of them(at least until those weird alien conquerors showed up). The New Republic had to fight Imperial remnants and Warlords and Luke (and occasionally his students) had to fight some leftover dark Jedi or one of Luke's former students. The points are all there in the new trilogy but something in the execution is just all wrong.

Look, I'm not saying that the whole Sith tracking device plot felt like JJ Abrams blatantly cribbing from "The Glove of Darth Vader", but I'm not not saying it. 

Would you have been more mad at RoS if it featured a scene where Kylo Ren rides a submarine so he can make his Vader cosplay more authentic?

Legit, TRoS did more damage to Star Wars as a franchise than any of the prequels ever did. Say what you will about the prequels fucking up parts of the canon, but TRoS just wrecks the ending of Return of the Jedi so much, as well as negates a lot of Last Jedi.

To be perfectly fair... I kind of suspected this all along. Although am dubious about Palpy having known all along -- I think dude was just over-prepared.