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Post by ganews on Dec 23, 2015 12:23:56 GMT -5
Why is this inviting so much analysis from me, who was enthusiastic but not crazy gung-ho in advance? I don't do this with other movies. It's Star Wars. I've spent years dissecting the prequels. One could compare those films to another series of operatic spectaculars with Natalie Portman as the girlfriend, Marvel's Thor movies; but I watched both of those this year and have forgotten most of them already. That's what I'm saying, though; I haven't dissected the prequels for years. I'm surprised at my own reaction.
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Post by Douay-Rheims-Challoner on Dec 23, 2015 12:25:09 GMT -5
ganews It's Star Wars and it's the Star Wars that has Luke, Han and Leia?
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Post by Return of the Thin Olive Duke on Dec 23, 2015 12:38:06 GMT -5
Lifemate and I were up until 2 in the damn morning discussing what I noted above, as well as other points. Why is this inviting so much analysis from me, who was enthusiastic but not crazy gung-ho in advance? I don't do this with other movies. " Star Wars just seems like it's going to be around forever, like Shakespeare or the Bible." –Todd in the Shadows
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Post by ganews on Dec 23, 2015 16:26:22 GMT -5
The Star Trek reboot3 trailer thread reminded me of another conclusion reached via n = 2: J.J. Abrams is pretty bad at making me care that a planet with millions of people just blew up.
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Post by Desert Dweller on Dec 23, 2015 18:36:56 GMT -5
I wasn't even all that excited about a month ago either. When the trailer came out I was still debating whether to even see it on opening weekend. And I'm someone who went to Episode III opening DAY even after I had completely hated Episode II. Like, I took the day off work to go see it on opening day. Yet, a month ago, I was still not sure I was going to see the new one on opening weekend.
But... it's Star Wars!! Of course I was going to see it opening weekend. It was foolish to think otherwise. Of course I am going to be thinking about it a lot. Of course I am going to go back to see it again. It's Star Wars with Han Solo. And Chewie. And Leia. And R2D2, C3PO, the Millennium Falcon..... and sort of Luke Skywalker!
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Post by ComradePig on Dec 23, 2015 23:12:51 GMT -5
Stray thoughts: I never would have noticed the utterance of "hell no!" if @matt1 hadn't pointed it out. Aha, I'm not the only one who was taken out for a very slight second by this utterance. Space people in another galaxy who believe in a mystical spirit religion don't know what 'hell' is screenwriting team! Granted, deciding which English words to jettison and retain in a fantasy/sci-fi setting is always arbitrary and impossible by nature so this complaint is pedantic enough to barely register as a complaint, but nevertheless.
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Post by sarapen on Dec 23, 2015 23:48:07 GMT -5
Stray thoughts: I never would have noticed the utterance of "hell no!" if @matt1 hadn't pointed it out. Aha, I'm not the only one who was taken out for a very slight second by this utterance. Space people in another galaxy who believe in a mystical spirit religion don't know what 'hell' is screenwriting team! Granted, deciding which English words to jettison and retain in a fantasy/sci-fi setting is always arbitrary and impossible by nature so this complaint is pedantic enough to barely register as a complaint, but nevertheless. Where was the "hell no"? The utterance that surprised me was Han Solo telling Finn to dial it down. Do they have dials in Star Wars? Maybe they do, I can't be sure. I know they don't have books though, just holocrons.
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Post by ComradePig on Dec 23, 2015 23:53:10 GMT -5
Aha, I'm not the only one who was taken out for a very slight second by this utterance. Space people in another galaxy who believe in a mystical spirit religion don't know what 'hell' is screenwriting team! Granted, deciding which English words to jettison and retain in a fantasy/sci-fi setting is always arbitrary and impossible by nature so this complaint is pedantic enough to barely register as a complaint, but nevertheless. Where was the "hell no"? The utterance that surprised me was Han Solo telling Finn to dial it down. Do they have dials in Star Wars? Maybe they do, I can't be sure. I know they don't have books though, just holocrons. It was at some point nearish the end of the movie during the base mission, maybe not long before they captured Phasma?
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Post by Return of the Thin Olive Duke on Dec 24, 2015 0:15:47 GMT -5
Stray thoughts: I never would have noticed the utterance of "hell no!" if @matt1 hadn't pointed it out. Aha, I'm not the only one who was taken out for a very slight second by this utterance. Space people in another galaxy who believe in a mystical spirit religion don't know what 'hell' is screenwriting team! Granted, deciding which English words to jettison and retain in a fantasy/sci-fi setting is always arbitrary and impossible by nature so this complaint is pedantic enough to barely register as a complaint, but nevertheless. I also noticed that as well as "damn." It was alright. And you don't think the Galaxy has other major religions?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2015 1:26:31 GMT -5
Stray thoughts: I never would have noticed the utterance of "hell no!" if @matt1 hadn't pointed it out. Aha, I'm not the only one who was taken out for a very slight second by this utterance. Space people in another galaxy who believe in a mystical spirit religion don't know what 'hell' is screenwriting team! Granted, deciding which English words to jettison and retain in a fantasy/sci-fi setting is always arbitrary and impossible by nature so this complaint is pedantic enough to barely register as a complaint, but nevertheless. And Han Solo uttered the word in Empire when heading out on Hoth to find Luke. "You'll freeze to death out there!" "Then I'll see you in Hell!"
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2015 1:40:06 GMT -5
It wasn't hell no, but a hell yeah. Finn said it while they were kicking ass while storming the base.
I think the reason why it never bothered me and I never really noticed it in empire was that han was understated in how he said it. While Finn yelled it out loud. And then it all snapped into place and it was like wait a minute..... Hell shouldn't be in star wars! And I'm not talking about a bad afterlife, I'm specifically singling out the Christian hell.
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Post by ComradePig on Dec 24, 2015 1:55:25 GMT -5
Aha, I'm not the only one who was taken out for a very slight second by this utterance. Space people in another galaxy who believe in a mystical spirit religion don't know what 'hell' is screenwriting team! Granted, deciding which English words to jettison and retain in a fantasy/sci-fi setting is always arbitrary and impossible by nature so this complaint is pedantic enough to barely register as a complaint, but nevertheless. And Han Solo uttered the word in Empire when heading out on Hoth to find Luke. "You'll freeze to death out there!" "Then I'll see you in Hell!" Yeah I was wondering if it ever popped up in the OT since it plays fast and loose too really, but I guess I never thought about/noticed it until now for whatever reason. In any case, as per the above post, deciding which shorthand to keep or chuck is always a battle with these things and obviously replacing them with 'in-universe' stuff (GORRAM FRAKERS) can be just as or more distracting.
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Post by Return of the Thin Olive Duke on Dec 24, 2015 2:00:30 GMT -5
And Han Solo uttered the word in Empire when heading out on Hoth to find Luke. "You'll freeze to death out there!" "Then I'll see you in Hell!" Yeah I was wondering if it ever popped up in the OT since it plays fast and loose too really, but I guess I never thought about/noticed it until now for whatever reason. In any case, as per the above post, deciding which shorthand to keep or chuck is always a battle with these things and obviously replacing them with 'in-universe' stuff (GORRAM FRAKERS) can be just as or more distracting. This is what happens, Larry, when you find a stranger in the Alps.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2015 3:31:26 GMT -5
Just look at it this way - Lots of non-Christians use Hell as an exclamation here, so why not in some other galaxy? And it doesn't have to mean the same thing that it does to us, just a mildly equivalent idea.
Many Christian denominations have wildly different ideas of what Hell is anyway. From a literal eternal fire pit, to death with no resurrection, to just being as far as possible away from God.
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Post by Douay-Rheims-Challoner on Dec 24, 2015 11:11:40 GMT -5
Hell of course is not a Christian word even in origin. It refers to Norse mythology's underworld (and her queen, Hel.) The passages in the New Testament that refer to hell read 'Hades' in the original Greek, which is also an underworld of another mythology. Christianity has tended to use the existing language of faith as much as it has imported new words.
Given this context it makes sense for 'Hell' to exist in any setting where a concept of an underworld exists, particularly - given its usage in English - a negatively suggested underworld.
Star Wars has always been a little nebulous on matters of faith not related to the Force (and the Force; new published canon says Max von Sydow's character is a member of the Church of the Force, a faith that had been persecuted during the Empire); its only depictions of such in the films have been fairly primitive (the Ewoks believing C3PO is a god, for example) but one can assume the phrase entered into the lexicon from some other faith system.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2015 13:49:22 GMT -5
Hell of course is not a Christian word even in origin. It refers to Norse mythology's underworld (and her queen, Hel.) The passages in the New Testament that refer to hell read 'Hades' in the original Greek, which is also an underworld of another mythology. Christianity has tended to use the existing language of faith as much as it has imported new words. Given this context it makes sense for 'Hell' to exist in any setting where a concept of an underworld exists, particularly - given its usage in English - a negatively suggested underworld. Star Wars has always been a little nebulous on matters of faith not related to the Force (and the Force; new published canon says Max von Sydow's character is a member of the Church of the Force, a faith that had been persecuted during the Empire); its only depictions of such in the films have been fairly primitive (the Ewoks believing C3PO is a god, for example) but one can assume the phrase entered into the lexicon from some other faith system. Except I doubt the screenwriter actually gave it that context and just wanted to make a cheap joke. And hell is still rooted from an earth religion. And I've always viewed star wars as taking place in a galaxy that will never interact with ours, and at a time period before earth even had cavemen. Hence, A LONG TIME AGO IN A GALAXY FAR FAR AWAY.
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Post by Douay-Rheims-Challoner on Dec 24, 2015 14:22:44 GMT -5
Except I doubt the screenwriter actually gave it that context and just wanted to make a cheap joke. And hell is still rooted from an earth religion. One of the screenwriters was Lawrence Kasdan, also responsible for the Empire script where the word was first spoken in Star Wars; I wouldn't be surprised if the question has crossed his mind at least once in the decades since (or been presented to him by nerds.) Hell is a term that has been used for more than one Earth religion. If we were translating from Basic to English, we may use the word 'hell' to mean something equivalent. Just as translation convention has given us standard English meanings for ideas that existed for centuries without contacting anything remotely close to those words - consider that it is typical for us to refer to 'Buddhist temples' and 'Shinto shrines.' Indeed there is even a Japanese word - Jigoku - which is normally translated as hell. And as a rule, I think looking at how English translates non-Indo-European languages is an acceptable metric for 'should this English word be in our script in a universe where English has never really been spoken.'
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2015 15:35:46 GMT -5
I still doubt it. Also, words being translated on earth is different. That isn't what I'm talking about.
While yes, the film does include English as a language that is only so it can be accessible. What I've always liked about star wars though is that the films have been able to make it really feel as if it is an alien culture even though English is spoken and humans exist. So when an English word that has a very specific definition for a religion(s) on earth, yeah it is fair for me to be taken aback by it for a second or two. Anyway, it did lead to this interesting discussion.
Let's get back to snoke/plagueis. As has been pointed out on the internet already. Snokes theme on the OST is very reminiscent of the track used for the opera scene in revenge of the sith, palpatine's teachings.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2015 18:07:49 GMT -5
So Rey is Obi-Wan's granddaughter, right?
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Post by Roy Batty's Pet Dove on Dec 24, 2015 21:12:02 GMT -5
A very incomplete list of pedantic questions which are probably less pedantic than "Why does Finn say 'hell' if Christianity doesn't exist in Star Wars?": Why are almost all of the characters in Star Wars humanoid in shape? Why do they all breathe oxygen (or at least the same mix of gases)? Why are the Stormtroopers always humans? Did all humans originate from the same planet, or are the human looking characters actually different species which just look identical? Why do most characters speak English with American or British accents despite coming from a wide variety of planets and solar systems, and why is Star Wars English more uniform in its pronunciation and usage than even American and British English in the real world? Why is all intelligent life in the universe roughly as intelligent as humans? Does all life in the universe have a common origin? And if not, then why is all intelligent life in the universe bilaterally symmetrical? Did George Lucas way back in 1977 think about maybe including, say, some pentaradially symmetrical aliens, but then reason, rightly or wrongly, to himself 'No, the odds of pentaradially symmetrical intelligent life evolving somewhere in the universe are essentially nil; bilateral symmetry isn't just a restraint on the design of most animal life on Earth because of underlying developmental genetic frameworks, it's also nigh logically inevitable that every time macroscopic animal-like life evolved, bilaterally symmetrical forms would tend to dominate'? I suppose it's possible that Lucas thought this, but it's also possible that in a fictional universe where a giant kilometers-long space worm is somehow ekeing out a living off of passing ships in the cold vacuum of space and where somehow serious problems with ships capable of light-speed travel can be solved by some apparently-ingenious technobabble and where there was once a completely incomprehensible Galactic Senate whose workings could be unilaterally halted by a vote of no-confidence from a queen who by all appearances was not at that time a part of said Senate, maybe things like the preponderance of bilaterally symmetrical humanoid life or some guy saying a word which depending on its usage in the real world can have a very specific religious context or be largely divorced from said context, are not actually all that important, since at the end of the day, Star Wars is a cinematic space opera epic which has never pretended to make a whole lot of sense when one starts getting pedantic about it, and not an attempt at ultra realistic hard science fiction.
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Post by ganews on Dec 24, 2015 21:32:06 GMT -5
A very incomplete list of pedantic questions which are probably less pedantic than "Why does Finn say 'hell' if Christianity doesn't exist in Star Wars?": Why are almost all of the characters in Star Wars humanoid in shape? Why do they all breathe oxygen (or at least the same mix of gases)? Why are the Stormtroopers always humans? Did all humans originate from the same planet, or are the human looking characters actually different species which just look identical? Why do most characters speak English with American or British accents despite coming from a wide variety of planets and solar systems, and why is Star Wars English more uniform in its pronunciation and usage than even American and British English in the real world? Why is all intelligent life in the universe roughly as intelligent as humans? Does all life in the universe have a common origin? And if not, then why is all intelligent life in the universe bilaterally symmetrical? Did George Lucas way back in 1977 think about maybe including, say, some pentaradially symmetrical aliens, but then reason, rightly or wrongly, to himself 'No, the odds of pentaradially symmetrical intelligent life evolving somewhere in the universe are essentially nil; bilateral symmetry isn't just a restraint on the design of most animal life on Earth because of underlying developmental genetic frameworks, it's also nigh logically inevitable that every time macroscopic animal-like life evolved, bilaterally symmetrical forms would tend to dominate'? I suppose it's possible that Lucas thought this, but it's also possible that in a fictional universe where a giant kilometers-long space worm is somehow ekeing out a living off of passing ships in the cold vacuum of space and where somehow serious problems with ships capable of light-speed travel can be solved by some apparently-ingenious technobabble and where there was once a completely incomprehensible Galactic Senate whose workings could be unilaterally halted by a vote of no-confidence from a queen who by all appearances was not at that time a part of said Senate, maybe things like the preponderance of bilaterally symmetrical humanoid life or some guy saying a word which depending on its usage in the real world can have a very specific religious context or be largely divorced from said context, are not actually all that important, since at the end of the day, Star Wars is a cinematic space opera epic which has never pretended to make a whole lot of sense when one starts getting pedantic about it, and not an attempt at ultra realistic hard science fiction. Why does the energy beam fired from the Star Killer reach its target planet in minutes instead of years? I'm prepared to accept FTL travel for spaceships that only takes hours or days (even if it gets called "the jump to lightspeed"), but I cannot cross that bridge for an unthinking bolt of energy.
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Post by Douay-Rheims-Challoner on Dec 24, 2015 21:35:54 GMT -5
Why do most characters speak English with American or British accents despite coming from a wide variety of planets and solar systems, and why is Star Wars English more uniform in its pronunciation and usage than even American and British English in the real world? Well here's one variance in pronunciation: And on that note English in some ways has become much more standardised with mass media and so on (as most major European languages have been since the nineteenth century); I think a broadly understood lingua franca is one of the less improbable elements of Star Wars' galactic setting (though such a hypothetical language would probably not be one so convenient for humans and near-humans and less so everyone else.)
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Post by ganews on Dec 24, 2015 21:46:08 GMT -5
Rey is a mechanic and all, but she has an awfully easy time understanding BB-8's beeping, even though droids look pretty rare on Jakku. Anakin was a mechanic and didn't do that. Luke read R2's print off a screen.
Seems lazy is all. I guess it's better than having another useless translator hanging around.
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Post by Nudeviking on Dec 24, 2015 22:29:17 GMT -5
Where's Lando?
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Post by Return of the Thin Olive Duke on Dec 24, 2015 23:00:50 GMT -5
Why do most characters speak English with American or British accents despite coming from a wide variety of planets and solar systems, and why is Star Wars English more uniform in its pronunciation and usage than even American and British English in the real world? Well here's one variance in pronunciation: And on that note English in some ways has become much more standardised with mass media and so on (as most major European languages have been since the nineteenth century); I think a broadly understood lingua franca is one of the less improbable elements of Star Wars' galactic setting (though such a hypothetical language would probably not be one so convenient for humans and near-humans and less so everyone else.) Actually, English specifically in The US and UK has become, if anything, less standardized, with local accents being prominently and deliberately featured in national and international media, and formerly diminishing local dialects experiencing a veritable renaissance. Despite pessimistic understandings of globalization killing local dialects, people are far more heavily influenced by people they interact with directly, in real life, than people on TV. If that were the case, we'd all have been speaking Transatlantic English for nearly a century. The same is true of language groups as well. Sometimes we just lazily group languages together like Standard Italian, which is a completely different language from Gallo-Italian, Venetian, Friulian, Sicilian, Sardinian, etc., but we lump them together (while exclusing Corsican, which really is an Italian dialect). Meanwhile, the use of Spanish is practically verboten in Catalonia, where it is officially used third after Catalan and English. Even the extinct Native American language Costanoan is being revived in San Francisco as Chochenyo, and has a very young generation of native speakers. In Star Wars, I've always understood that most people with British Accents came from the Core Worlds, which would include the bulk of the powerful classes within the galaxy (the main exception being Correllia, which is an American-sounding Core World). But hey, thanks to this movie, we know there's a Scottish planet somewhere.
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Post by sarapen on Dec 24, 2015 23:13:29 GMT -5
A very incomplete list of pedantic questions which are probably less pedantic than "Why does Finn say 'hell' if Christianity doesn't exist in Star Wars?": Why are almost all of the characters in Star Wars humanoid in shape? Why do they all breathe oxygen (or at least the same mix of gases)? Why are the Stormtroopers always humans? Did all humans originate from the same planet, or are the human looking characters actually different species which just look identical? Why do most characters speak English with American or British accents despite coming from a wide variety of planets and solar systems, and why is Star Wars English more uniform in its pronunciation and usage than even American and British English in the real world? Why is all intelligent life in the universe roughly as intelligent as humans? Does all life in the universe have a common origin? And if not, then why is all intelligent life in the universe bilaterally symmetrical? Did George Lucas way back in 1977 think about maybe including, say, some pentaradially symmetrical aliens, but then reason, rightly or wrongly, to himself 'No, the odds of pentaradially symmetrical intelligent life evolving somewhere in the universe are essentially nil; bilateral symmetry isn't just a restraint on the design of most animal life on Earth because of underlying developmental genetic frameworks, it's also nigh logically inevitable that every time macroscopic animal-like life evolved, bilaterally symmetrical forms would tend to dominate'? I suppose it's possible that Lucas thought this, but it's also possible that in a fictional universe where a giant kilometers-long space worm is somehow ekeing out a living off of passing ships in the cold vacuum of space and where somehow serious problems with ships capable of light-speed travel can be solved by some apparently-ingenious technobabble and where there was once a completely incomprehensible Galactic Senate whose workings could be unilaterally halted by a vote of no-confidence from a queen who by all appearances was not at that time a part of said Senate, maybe things like the preponderance of bilaterally symmetrical humanoid life or some guy saying a word which depending on its usage in the real world can have a very specific religious context or be largely divorced from said context, are not actually all that important, since at the end of the day, Star Wars is a cinematic space opera epic which has never pretended to make a whole lot of sense when one starts getting pedantic about it, and not an attempt at ultra realistic hard science fiction. I can actually answer some of these thanks to Wookiepedia, though canonicity is iffy thanks to the Disney purge. The Empire was racist; no one knows where humans come from but it's assumed the origin is a single planet lost in the mists of time; and that planet may be the same Earth which millenia in the future will give rise to Indiana Jones (according to a bat shit joke novel no one ever took seriously even among the EU writers). And on that note English in some ways has become much more standardised with mass media and so on (as most major European languages have been since the nineteenth century); I think a broadly understood lingua franca is one of the less improbable elements of Star Wars' galactic setting (though such a hypothetical language would probably not be one so convenient for humans and near-humans and less so everyone else.) More like the rise of centralised nation-states, mass education, and the imposition of the regional dialect of a nation's elite on the rest of the country. Pundits keep saying mass media will destroy smaller dialects but it keeps not happening. But you're right, we never hear Texans or whatever in Star Wars. This is also the first I remember hearing non-English Brits in the franchise.
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Post by disqusf3dme on Dec 25, 2015 2:11:29 GMT -5
I saw it yesterday! I loved it, although I'm not a big fan of the series or anything so I didn't really have too many expectations for the film. It was just a great adventure. The characters were fantastic, Finn and Rey both had a slight goofiness to them that felt very natural, and even people like Han and Chewy fit back in so seamlessly. Han in particular was great to see back, Harrison Ford still has so much swagger. There's also that lived in feeling that a lot of people are mentioning, everything just felt very real. It reminded me of how Fury Road had a sort of glossy sheen too it, it never felt "real" in the way TFA does, and because of that element alone, part of me feels like TFA could be nudging FR out of its current spot as my favourite of the year, but that could be crazy talk. TFA just made me so giddy the whole time. The attack on Jakku, when Finn keeps grabbing Rey's hand and she tells him to stop, until he falls and she grabs his and pulls him along, that had me grinning like a fool and the movie did that constantly.
The First Order is great too, you gotta love Kylo, Hux and Phasma. Give us more Phasma especially. I just hope she doesn't end up looking cool but then end up sucking ala Boba Fet. He was not good at his job and Phasma didn't do much better, but the all chrome everything look is so fly. Oh and a few of the guys from The Raid played the gangsters! I didn't realize until I noticed that Mad Dog was the leader of the second gang. Also, JJ Abram's one friend and Miles from Lost! So many cameos, I'm surprised they weren't distracting.
Damn, I really need to see it again. I feel almost guilty liking it so much because I read about Disney's Star War's story group that controls everything and it gives me this weird "art by committee/focus group" type vibe and it leaves a bad taste in my mouth. Like I'm surprised that something that was clearly manufactured and designed to be a massive hit still feels so genuine.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 25, 2015 3:25:03 GMT -5
Saw it again. Didn't like it as much as the first time, but that was mostly because the 3D gave me a headache. First time seeing a real 3D movie, doubt I will ever go again. There was some stuff I really loved picking up on though.
Like Kylo Ren looking at Finn in the opening. It wasn't out of suspicion, but possibly understanding the conflicted feelings Finn was experiencing. Or at least that is how I want to view it. Also, chewie showing emotion over han got me right in the feels.
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Post by Douay-Rheims-Challoner on Dec 25, 2015 8:01:27 GMT -5
Damn, I really need to see it again. I feel almost guilty liking it so much because I read about Disney's Star War's story group that controls everything and it gives me this weird "art by committee/focus group" type vibe and it leaves a bad taste in my mouth. Like I'm surprised that something that was clearly manufactured and designed to be a massive hit still feels so genuine. I don't know how much power the Story Group actually has - their job seems to be basically collating and coordinating the canon so it all lines up (so say if a writer of a book wanted to do a whole plot about Han Solo's low sperm motility ensuring he'd never have kids that'd probably not get far) - I don't think the likes of Pablo Hidalgo could overrule J.J. Abrams on choices regarding his movie. Kathleen Kennedy certainly could, though; she seems to be the Kevin Feige of this new wing of Disney merch. A good example of a known Lucasfilm Story Group decision is that after Order 66, the Jedi Temple was converted into the Imperial Palace; and has been referenced as such in a couple of different works. Actually, English specifically in The US and UK has become, if anything, less standardized, with local accents being prominently and deliberately featured in national and international media, and formerly diminishing local dialects experiencing a veritable renaissance. My point was that mass media has helped create a standard of intelligible English, and has enormously influenced how people use the language. English is a global lingua franca; you get two people from countries neither of whose first language is English; and they may use it to communicate. There are also plenty of examples of no longer spoken varieties of English as of extremely recently, like Yola, which ceased being used in the nineteen twenties and whose last speaker died in 1998. But both Leia and Bail Organa are from the Core World of Alderaan, and neither have British accents. There are also people from Coruscant who don't have British accents; and we've had British accents from non-Core World peoples like on Naboo (most notably Palpatine) to say nothing of Jakku's residents - both Rey and Simon Pegg's alien have British accents.
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Post by Nudeviking on Dec 25, 2015 9:15:44 GMT -5
Seriously though, where's Lando?
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