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Post by Ron Howard Voice on May 1, 2017 14:54:37 GMT -5
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Post by LazBro on May 1, 2017 15:03:44 GMT -5
This is amazing. I think I'm Ingredient Rebel-Structural Neutral. I thought at first that I would be Structural Rebel, because I lean liberal on sandwich classifications in general, but a Pop-Tart is not a sandwich. I've already gone on record that wholly enclosed foods are a different class of food. I don't have a name for it (pocket foods?) but it ain't sandwich. |
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Post by pairesta on May 1, 2017 15:26:31 GMT -5
This is amazing. I think I'm Ingredient Rebel-Structural Neutral. I thought at first that I would be Structural Rebel, because I lean liberal on sandwich classifications in general, but a Pop-Tart is not a sandwich. I've already gone on record that wholly enclosed foods are a different class of food. I don't have a name for it (pocket foods?) but it ain't sandwich. Same. The whole bottom row is scandalizing to me. Hey, you know what happened when Mexicans wanted a sandwich? They invented the torta. |
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Post by The Sensational She-Hulk on May 1, 2017 15:29:16 GMT -5
I'm going with True Neutral because like a scrunchie, I am flexible, but I do have limits.
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Post by Ron Howard Voice on May 1, 2017 16:04:21 GMT -5
This is amazing. I think I'm Ingredient Rebel-Structural Neutral. I thought at first that I would be Structural Rebel, because I lean liberal on sandwich classifications in general, but a Pop-Tart is not a sandwich. I've already gone on record that wholly enclosed foods are a different class of food. I don't have a name for it (pocket foods?) but it ain't sandwich. Same. The whole bottom row is scandalizing to me. Hey, you know what happened when Mexicans wanted a sandwich? They invented the torta. Sidebar: I just know that up in heaven, when God orders a sandwich (and he's not in the mood for a BLT), he gets a torta. |
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Post by Lord Lucan on May 1, 2017 16:08:55 GMT -5
I'm also structure purist/ingredient neutral. I think a sandwich should consist, minimally, of two pieces of bread. KFC pleases to call this a sandwich, but I don't quite feel able to go along with it.  |
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Post by Ben Grimm on May 1, 2017 16:11:23 GMT -5
I'm okay with everything except the lower right quad (though I'm iffy on the chicken wrap), so apparently I'm unclassifiable.
Maybe I'm okay with anything as long as it's a purist on one axis. The sub is obviously fine, for example.
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Post by Dellarigg on May 1, 2017 16:32:22 GMT -5
You have chip butties? Whaddaya know. I thought they were strictly northern England.
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Post by Powerthirteen on May 1, 2017 16:42:39 GMT -5
Structural purist, ingredient neutral, with the caveat that if I can't easily pick it up and eat it with my hands it either isn't a sandwich or is a badly made sandwich. And open-faced sandwiches aren't sandwiches. But subs are. So really who knows?
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Post by Trurl on May 1, 2017 18:26:17 GMT -5
I'm a sandwich descriptivist - if the term "sandwich" sticks to the food then it's a sandwich. So a "submarine sandwich" as is one, as is an "open faced sandwich" and a "sandwich wrap", but the only time anybody ever says "hotdog sandwich" is in the context of the argument about whether a hotdog is a sandwich or not so it's not (at least not currently). Sandwiches, like just about everything else human created, are a category created without criteria; a social construct like gender and sexuality.
NB - Oreos are sandwiches
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Post by pairesta on May 1, 2017 18:58:25 GMT -5
NB - Oreos are sandwiches *monocle shatters* |
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Post by Trurl on May 1, 2017 19:42:45 GMT -5
Here's a thought - what would be the purpose or context of a set of criteria for "sandwich"? If you look at, say, "planets", there is a reason to lump Pluto in with Kuiper Belt objects instead of with the other planets, since it shares more features with them than it does with Neptune or Venus. So if you're in a technical discussion about the formation of the solar system, maybe you wouldn't describe Pluto as a "planet". But if you're just talking about the nine celestial objects that have historically been called "planet" then you would include Pluto.
So what would be the context where a strict, circumscribed definition of "sandwich" would be applicable?
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Post by ganews on May 1, 2017 20:07:27 GMT -5
I guess I'm Structure Neutral Ingredient Purist, but a chicken wrap is indeed in the sandwich section of the pub menu...but also ice cream sandwiches and Oreos are sandwich constructions if not sandwiches.
Pop Tarts don't count because they are made with a continuous pastry. At least a tortilla has to be folded and can be undone. You might as well call a dumpling a sandwich.
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Post by Ron Howard Voice on May 1, 2017 21:39:34 GMT -5
I guess I'm Structure Neutral Ingredient Purist, but a chicken wrap is indeed in the sandwich section of the pub menu...but also ice cream sandwiches and Oreos are sandwich constructions if not sandwiches. Pop Tarts don't count because they are made with a continuous pastry. At least a tortilla has to be folded and can be undone. You might as well call a dumpling a sandwich. I like the term Sandwich Construction as a differentiation for Oreos and Nutter Butters and the like, but boy, if some fancy-ass hipster decides to use Sandwich Constructions to refer to regular old sandwiches, we'll have to sentence them to 30 days of Subway tuna salad flatbreads. |
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Post by Gumbercules on May 2, 2017 7:22:58 GMT -5
I really thought I'd be neutral on this, but so many negative emotions when I saw a hot dog being called a sandwich.
I'd say I'm Structural Purist, Ingredient Neutral.
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Post by monodrone on May 3, 2017 6:42:29 GMT -5
A Pop Tart Is A Sandwich You Heathens.
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Post by Floyd D Barber on May 3, 2017 7:59:23 GMT -5
I'm...........hungry.
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Post by Ben Grimm on May 3, 2017 8:06:43 GMT -5
A Pop Tart Is A Sandwich You Heathens.  |
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Post by monodrone on May 3, 2017 8:16:37 GMT -5
A Pop Tart Is A Sandwich You Heathens.
I am currently eating a brownie filled cookie or "BROWNIE SANDWICH" as I call them.
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Post by ganews on May 3, 2017 10:57:19 GMT -5
I am currently eating a brownie filled cookie or "BROWNIE SANDWICH" as I call them.
No regerts.That is either a brownie sandwiched between two cookies, a verb form of the word that does not a sandwich make, or a cookie roll filled with brownie, which is neither of those things. |
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Post by monodrone on May 3, 2017 11:12:01 GMT -5
I am currently eating a brownie filled cookie or "BROWNIE SANDWICH" as I call them.
No regerts.That is either a brownie sandwiched between two cookies, a verb form of the word that does not a sandwich make, or a cookie roll filled with brownie, which is neither of those things. It was one of these: www.tesco.com/groceries/product/details/?id=295254991Same concept as those cheese stuffed burgers you see nowadays. Or Cheese Sandwiches, as I call them. |
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Post by dＬᵒ on May 3, 2017 16:15:00 GMT -5
I look at it like 'sandwiches' are like the family Canidae, where there's a wide variety but many concrete similarities. And like the tanuki, the hotdog doesn't seem like it belongs in the family at first blush, but a deeper look shows that 'well hey, I guess it does'.
And to go further, things like pop tart and choco taco are pastries, which are analogous to felines; being that felines are similar to canines, but much different.
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Post by Hawkguy on May 4, 2017 11:28:11 GMT -5
True Neutral. It baffles me there's still a debate about hotdogs being sandwiches...
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Post by Gumbercules on May 5, 2017 6:47:21 GMT -5
True Neutral. It baffles me there's still a debate about hotdogs being sandwiches... Are you confusing regular hot dogs with wiener wings? |
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Post by Trurl on May 5, 2017 8:46:02 GMT -5
I saw someone tweet about how "sandwich" was the Earl's name and that really we should call it "sandwich's monster". But that got me thinking - probably the most defensible position on all this is to use "sandwich" *only* for the actual creations of the Earl of Sandwich; everything since has just been low-fidelity copies.
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Post by Albert Fish Taco on May 5, 2017 17:45:17 GMT -5
I saw someone tweet about how "sandwich" was the Earl's name and that really we should call it "sandwich's monster". But that got me thinking - probably the most defensible position on all this is to use "sandwich" *only* for the actual creations of the Earl of Sandwich; everything since has just been low-fidelity copies. Oddly enough I was just thinking the other day how crediting the Earl of Sandwich as the inventor of the concept has to be pure bullshit. There's no way people weren't putting meats between bread before some Hellfire Club reject wanted to make a trick shot while munching. Also, I am a structural rebel, ingredient neutral. Hot Open sandwiches count, Pop Tarts/Toaster Strudels are crimes against humanity/dentistry. |
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Post by 🔪 silly buns on May 5, 2017 21:43:16 GMT -5
Man, I am torn. A hoagie is a sandwich and ice cream between waffle is a sandwich, but I just can't call a hot dog a sandwich.... it's just wrong.
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Post by 🐍 huss 🐍 on May 6, 2017 13:29:25 GMT -5
I saw someone tweet about how "sandwich" was the Earl's name and that really we should call it "sandwich's monster". But that got me thinking - probably the most defensible position on all this is to use "sandwich" *only* for the actual creations of the Earl of Sandwich; everything since has just been low-fidelity copies. Oddly enough I was just thinking the other day how crediting the Earl of Sandwich as the inventor of the concept has to be pure bullshit. There's no way people weren't putting meats between bread before some Hellfire Club reject wanted to make a trick shot while munching. Also, I am a structural rebel, ingredient neutral. Hot Open sandwiches count, Pop Tarts/Toaster Strudels are crimes against humanity/dentistry. There's a bit in the Passover seder where you make a sandwich of matzoh with charoset and horseradish "as Hillel did, in Temple times." I'm sure there are older historical sandwich records, but that'd go back to the turn of BCE into CE at least. Interestingly, the relevant bit in wikipedia says the original Hillel sandwich would have been closer to a shawarma, which would probably put it in the structural rebel, ingredient purist (or maybe neutral) category. And would be delicious. |
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Post by King Charles’s Butterfly on May 8, 2017 8:38:59 GMT -5
One thing that confuses things about the origin of sandwiches is that, since the invention/re-invention/popularization of the sandwich by the eponymous Earl, bread’s evolved to be more of a sandwich thing and less its own thing. When I saw this painting, or one very much like it, in Rotterdam I was pretty surpised:  The thing to do in the Netherlands today is have the herring in the bun, not haring on a plate and the bun on the side. But look at that bun, too—it looks nice and delicious and more designed to be pulled apart on its own, not as a convenient edible herring container. If bread’s meant to be eaten separately from the meat or fish, it’s not going to look like the sort of bread that’s meant to carry meat or fish. So I’m willing to believe the seemingly-obvious sandwich really was invented or rediscovered or what have you by some dissolute earl at what I can only assume was a sybaritic, otherwise food-slathered orgy. |
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Post by Trurl on May 8, 2017 9:31:06 GMT -5
One thing that confuses things about the origin of sandwiches is that, since the invention/re-invention/popularization of the sandwich by the eponymous Earl, bread’s evolved to be more of a sandwich thing and less its own thing. When I saw this painting, or one very much like it, in Rotterdam I was pretty surpised: The thing to do in the Netherlands today is have the herring in the bun, not haring on a plate and the bun on the side. But look at that bun, too—it looks nice and delicious and more designed to be pulled apart on its own, not as a convenient edible herring container. If bread’s meant to be eaten separately from the meat or fish, it’s not going to look like the sort of bread that’s meant to carry meat or fish. So I’m willing to believe the seemingly-obvious sandwich really was invented or rediscovered or what have you by some dissolute earl at what I can only assume was a sybaritic, otherwise food-slathered orgy. It would be interesting to look at the co-evolution of bread and sandwiches - obviously our idea of "bread" has changed over the years in response to the idea of "sandwich" and vice-versa. All parts of the sandwich ecosystem are constantly affecting each other's development - I remember reading about how those enormous, flavourless beefsteak tomatoes were developed for slicing, so these plants were *engineered* because of the idea of sandwiches. Maybe hotdogs can be looked at as a form of sandwich speciation. Maybe in a million years sandwiches will only have vestigial bread and will instead have a hard, chitinous shell. Maybe vast herds of hoagies will roam the plains of North America. |
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