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Post by Gamblin' Telly on May 9, 2017 8:08:47 GMT -5
One thing that confuses things about the origin of sandwiches is that, since the invention/re-invention/popularization of the sandwich by the eponymous Earl, bread’s evolved to be more of a sandwich thing and less its own thing. When I saw this painting, or one very much like it, in Rotterdam I was pretty surpised: The thing to do in the Netherlands today is have the herring in the bun, not haring on a plate and the bun on the side. But look at that bun, too—it looks nice and delicious and more designed to be pulled apart on its own, not as a convenient edible herring container. If bread’s meant to be eaten separately from the meat or fish, it’s not going to look like the sort of bread that’s meant to carry meat or fish. So I’m willing to believe the seemingly-obvious sandwich really was invented or rediscovered or what have you by some dissolute earl at what I can only assume was a sybaritic, otherwise food-slathered orgy. These buns (Schnittbrötchen) still exist like that today But don't be fooled by the appealing looks they are the worst Brötchen, too hard on the outside and flavorless (also 96,7% air) on the inside.
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Post by Gumbercules on May 9, 2017 8:30:41 GMT -5
One thing that confuses things about the origin of sandwiches is that, since the invention/re-invention/popularization of the sandwich by the eponymous Earl, bread’s evolved to be more of a sandwich thing and less its own thing. When I saw this painting, or one very much like it, in Rotterdam I was pretty surpised: The thing to do in the Netherlands today is have the herring in the bun, not haring on a plate and the bun on the side. But look at that bun, too—it looks nice and delicious and more designed to be pulled apart on its own, not as a convenient edible herring container. If bread’s meant to be eaten separately from the meat or fish, it’s not going to look like the sort of bread that’s meant to carry meat or fish. So I’m willing to believe the seemingly-obvious sandwich really was invented or rediscovered or what have you by some dissolute earl at what I can only assume was a sybaritic, otherwise food-slathered orgy. These buns (Schnittbrötchen) still exist like that today But don't be fooled by the appealing looks they are the worst Brötchen, too hard on the outside and flavorless (also 96,7% air) on the inside. The small rolls with pumpkin seeds, though (maybe called Kurbiskorn Brotchen?), are wonderful. Looking forward to my German breakfasts once I revisit in June.
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Post by Gamblin' Telly on May 9, 2017 9:18:02 GMT -5
The small rolls with pumpkin seeds, though (maybe called Kurbiskorn Brotchen?), are wonderful. Looking forward to my German breakfasts once I revisit in June. Yes, Kürbiskernbrötchen are wonderful. (You were very close but: Korn = Grain ; Kern = Seed (or more like core but seed in this context) Also, coming anywhere near the Rhineland?
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Post by Gumbercules on May 9, 2017 9:29:35 GMT -5
The small rolls with pumpkin seeds, though (maybe called Kurbiskorn Brotchen?), are wonderful. Looking forward to my German breakfasts once I revisit in June. Yes, Kürbiskernbrötchen are wonderful. (You were very close but: Korn = Grain ; Kern = Seed (or more like core but seed in this context) Also, coming anywhere near the Rhineland? Yes, but not for long. I'll be in Karlsruhe on June 26th and 27th, then I'm going to Amberg. Whereabouts are you? A few years ago I had time to travel up and down the Rhine (as far as Sankt Goar), and it was a great time. I'd love to do it again in the future.
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Post by Gamblin' Telly on May 9, 2017 9:36:29 GMT -5
Yes, Kürbiskernbrötchen are wonderful. (You were very close but: Korn = Grain ; Kern = Seed (or more like core but seed in this context) Also, coming anywhere near the Rhineland? Yes, but not for long. I'll be in Karlsruhe on June 26th and 27th, then I'm going to Amberg. Whereabouts are you? A few years ago I had time to travel up and down the Rhine (as far as Sankt Goar), and it was a great time. I'd love to do it again in the future. I'm in Cologne, quite far up the Rhine from Karslruhe, about 300km, and you're travelling in the wrong direction if you're going to Bavaria! (ok I may be biased a tad here)
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Post by Albert Fish Taco on May 9, 2017 20:31:51 GMT -5
Oddly enough I was just thinking the other day how crediting the Earl of Sandwich as the inventor of the concept has to be pure bullshit. There's no way people weren't putting meats between bread before some Hellfire Club reject wanted to make a trick shot while munching. Also, I am a structural rebel, ingredient neutral. Hot Open sandwiches count, Pop Tarts/Toaster Strudels are crimes against humanity/dentistry. There's a bit in the Passover seder where you make a sandwich of matzoh with charoset and horseradish "as Hillel did, in Temple times." I'm sure there are older historical sandwich records, but that'd go back to the turn of BCE into CE at least. Interestingly, the relevant bit in wikipedia says the original Hillel sandwich would have been closer to a shawarma, which would probably put it in the structural rebel, ingredient purist (or maybe neutral) category. And would be delicious. My favorite part of the seder is thinking to myself "TWAS IN THE DARKEST DEPTHS OF MOR-OR" when the horseradish is eaten.
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Post by Nudeviking on May 10, 2017 4:00:36 GMT -5
This is amazing. I think I'm Ingredient Rebel-Structural Neutral. I thought at first that I would be Structural Rebel, because I lean liberal on sandwich classifications in general, but a Pop-Tart is not a sandwich. I've already gone on record that wholly enclosed foods are a different class of food. I don't have a name for it (pocket foods?) but it ain't sandwich. What about items created by the Clark Snackmaster or any of those This is a Clarksnack Master but Upscale knockoffs that came later? Those foodstuffs were clearly sandwiches but wholly enclosed.
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Post by monodrone on May 24, 2017 6:18:23 GMT -5
It's a shitty sandwich. It'd be vastly improved if the sandwich filling spanned the rim of the bagel hole as well the cut portion.
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