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Post by The Spice Weasel on Dec 17, 2017 11:48:20 GMT -5
Luke - "See ya around, kid!" WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! Such a Han line. It was great.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2017 13:27:22 GMT -5
The perfect dichotomy between Kylo's "truthful" memory of Luke preparing to kill him, and Luke's version showing how badly he screwed up, was a brilliant explanation for why he ran away.
I still can't get over Snoke teasing Kylo about his helmet, and Kylo smashing it to bits immediately after...DAMN!
Also, "The Supreme Leader is DEAD!" "*chokes*...long...live the Supreme Leader!"
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Post by Albert Fish Taco on Dec 17, 2017 16:38:51 GMT -5
Some random assorted thoughts that I need to get out of my head... And also they can send off a smaller ship that can warp off to Las Vega without anyone noticing? Do they have... MORE of these ships they can use to evacuate people? That bugged me too. And given that the casino planet was presumably lousy with First Order loyalists, how hadn't General Hux and/or Kylo Ren gotten a ton of intel to look out for a stolen ship? Speaking of Hux, I generally enjoyed the comic relief of the character.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2017 17:06:32 GMT -5
A comment I just saw that had 291 likes.
"The plotting itself in Act 2 was pointless. What Rian Johnson was trying to do (I’m not sure I totally agree with his decisions) was take the usual harebrained Star Wars convoluted Hail Mary hero plan and make it fail. And fail spectacularly.
The Last Jedi was all about the heroes failing. There’s no more magic plot armor. Poe gets a lot of good people killed by his heroic plan in Act 1. Finn, Rose and Poe get a lot of good people killed by their heroic plan in Act 2. Luke gets a lot of good people killed 10 years ago by failing his failing pupil.
If you view the Last Jedi as a movie about failure and overcoming it and subverting Good Guy Hero movies, it’s fantastic. If you went into Last Jedi expecting to see Hero Luke at some point, the Luke we left at the end of Return of the Jedi, like I did, you left the movie really disappointed. AT BEST, Luke gets some peace and closure at the end. He and Leia are truly side characters in this."
UGGGGGGGGH, this sentiment sucks so much. It is basically wanting no challenge whatsoever for the heroes, nothing to actually be hard, and most importantly for a story to not have an actual point or character development.
Luke gets a lot more than closure, he gets personal redemption for failing Kylo Ren by setting up Rey and what's left of the resistance another chance in the darkest of hours. Luke was the big damn hero of the film! Also, Leia and Luke side characters? NO SHIT! Even in Force Awakens the original trilogy characters were nothing but side characters. While they are in this trilogy, they are NOT the main characters anymore. People just genuinely don't understand this and it is frustrating. Rey, Finn, Poe, and Kylo Ren are the main characters now!
People are lame. Also, just learned Rian Johnson isn't actually writing episode IX, and that it will be JJ Abrams and some other guy. I really hope a huge course correction does not happen for IX. Rian Johnson took this trilogy where it needed to go, Abrams just took the easy route and let fans relive some greatest hits.
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Post by Lone Locust of the Apocalypse on Dec 17, 2017 18:28:45 GMT -5
The Leia in space moment is a new low point for Star Wars.
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Post by Nudeviking on Dec 17, 2017 18:35:17 GMT -5
The Leia in space moment is a new low point for Star Wars. I thought it was cheesy but am kind of okay with it. She was long established as at least being force sensitive so I figure it was like the Force version of an adrenaline rush in a life or death situation. Was it any more ridiculous than Luke knowing exactly where his friends were and projecting a semi-solid illusion of himself across Christ knows how many galaxies?
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Post by oppy all along on Dec 17, 2017 18:45:49 GMT -5
The Leia in space moment is a new low point for Star Wars. A 'new low' is extremely harsh for a franchise which also includes George Lucas dialogue, Jar Jar Binks, and the Star Wars Holiday Special.
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Post by Crash Test Dumbass on Dec 17, 2017 18:55:48 GMT -5
So many dei ex machina, which kind of annoyed me. Leia majestically farting her way through space using the Force(?) that she didn't have 30 years ago to get back to the base, the ship that Finn and Rose were on blowing up at the second they were about to get executed, Rey and Ben having magical telepathy... That and some overacting from Hamill (in the scenes with young Ben) and the stable boy took me out of my suspension of disbelief a couple of times. Other than that, the movie was fucking awesome. Luke's ending was incredible, the relationships actually kind of made sense (unlike the prequels), Leia is totally badass, the stark fight in Snoke's throne room, the sand battle... I don't know if I'd go run and see it in the theatre again, but I enjoyed the hell out of it (and the new direction it took everything) and can't wait for Episode IX. PORG PORG PORG
(Also, somewhere on the Internet I saw someone give it a one-star review, and his arguments were that the film promoted "PC culture" and "feminism". What the hell is wrong with people?)
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Post by Nudeviking on Dec 17, 2017 19:05:54 GMT -5
So many dei ex machina, which kind of annoyed me. Leia majestically farting her way through space using the Force(?) that she didn't have 30 years ago to get back to the base, the ship that Finn and Rose were on blowing up at the second they were about to get executed, Rey and Ben having magical telepathy... That and some overacting from Hamill (in the scenes with young Ben) and the stable boy took me out of my suspension of disbelief a couple of times. Other than that, the movie was fucking awesome. Luke's ending was incredible, the relationships actually kind of made sense (unlike the prequels), Leia is totally badass, the stark fight in Snoke's throne room, the sand battle... I don't know if I'd go run and see it in the theatre again, but I enjoyed the hell out of it (and the new direction it took everything) and can't wait for Episode IX. PORG PORG PORG (Also, somewhere on the Internet I saw someone give it a one-star review, and his arguments were that the film promoted "PC culture" and "feminism". What the hell is wrong with people?) Leia did have the Force though or was at least implied to have it. There was that conversation between Ghostbi Wan Kenobi and Yoda about what to do if Luke failed where Yoda is all like, "There is another." If that doesn't do it for you Kylo Ren is able to use the Force so he must have gotten those midichlorians from somewhere and Han doesn't seem all that Forcey. If, for some reason, you want to ignore all that stuff it seems, since the Disney Era at least, that anyone can tap into the Force provided they try really hard or something. Chirut or whatever Donnie Yen's character was named in Rogue One repeatedly declared himself not to be a Jedi and yet was able to Force his way out of all sorts of sticky situations by doing his mantra and swinging his karate stick around.
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Post by Crash Test Dumbass on Dec 17, 2017 19:08:15 GMT -5
So many dei ex machina, which kind of annoyed me. Leia majestically farting her way through space using the Force(?) that she didn't have 30 years ago to get back to the base, the ship that Finn and Rose were on blowing up at the second they were about to get executed, Rey and Ben having magical telepathy... That and some overacting from Hamill (in the scenes with young Ben) and the stable boy took me out of my suspension of disbelief a couple of times. Other than that, the movie was fucking awesome. Luke's ending was incredible, the relationships actually kind of made sense (unlike the prequels), Leia is totally badass, the stark fight in Snoke's throne room, the sand battle... I don't know if I'd go run and see it in the theatre again, but I enjoyed the hell out of it (and the new direction it took everything) and can't wait for Episode IX. PORG PORG PORG (Also, somewhere on the Internet I saw someone give it a one-star review, and his arguments were that the film promoted "PC culture" and "feminism". What the hell is wrong with people?) Leia did have the Force though or was at least implied to have it. There was that conversation between Ghostbi Wan Kenobi and Yoda about what to do if Luke failed where Yoda is all like, "There is another." If that doesn't do it for you Kylo Ren is able to use the Force so he must have gotten those midichlorians from somewhere and Han doesn't seem all that Forcey. If, for some reason, you want to ignore all that stuff it seems, since the Disney Era at least, that anyone can tap into the Force provided they try really hard or something. Chirut or whatever Donnie Yen's character was named in Rogue One repeatedly declared himself not to be a Jedi and yet was able to Force his way out of all sorts of sticky situations by doing his mantra and swinging his karate stick around. I like your explanation above about it being a life-or-death adrenaline rush kind of thing, I'm just amused at the thought of a rocket-powered princess.
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Post by Lone Locust of the Apocalypse on Dec 17, 2017 20:25:39 GMT -5
The Leia in space moment is a new low point for Star Wars. A 'new low' is extremely harsh for a franchise which also includes George Lucas dialogue, Jar Jar Binks, and the Star Wars Holiday Special. That's how bad it was. Seriously, this film was a massive disappointment for me. Sure, it was more ambitious than TFA, but it was so poorly paced that it made the 2.5 hour running time feel like 5 hours. Killing Snoke was a great bit of subversion (not having Rey be related to anyone important was even better), but it also makes his character rather pointless. I feel like JJ Abrams is too blame for this, since TFA focused too much on recreating beats from ANH at the expense of characters and story.
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Post by Nudeviking on Dec 17, 2017 20:39:12 GMT -5
A 'new low' is extremely harsh for a franchise which also includes George Lucas dialogue, Jar Jar Binks, and the Star Wars Holiday Special. That's how bad it was. Seriously, this film was a massive disappointment for me. Sure, it was more ambitious than TFA, but it was so poorly paced that it made the 2.5 hour running time feel like 5 hours. Killing Snoke was a great bit of subversion (not having Rey be related to anyone important was even better), but it also makes his character rather pointless. I feel like JJ Abrams is too blame for this, since TFA focused too much on recreating beats from ANH at the expense of characters and story. Snoke wasn't the new Emperor he was the new Darth Maul, who was in turn the new Boba Fett. He was a guy who looked cool and mysterious, played a minor role in the plot and then died like a chump. Expanded Universe shit will undoubtedly make him the asskicking badass that a certain segment of Star Wars fans wants him to be, but I for one was glad when he got chopped into four pieces with little fanfare.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2017 20:47:30 GMT -5
Star Wars movie Rankings revised
Last Jedi Return of the Jedi Empire Strikes Back A New Hope Revenge of the Sith Force Awakens Phantom Menace Attack of the Clones Rogue One
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Post by Nudeviking on Dec 17, 2017 21:16:38 GMT -5
Star Wars movie Rankings revised Last Jedi Return of the Jedi Empire Strikes Back A New Hope Revenge of the Sith Force Awakens Phantom Menace Attack of the Clones Rogue One I guess if we're doing this now here's mine: Empire Strikes Back Last Jedi Return of the Jedi A New Hope Rogue One Force Awakens Revenge of the Sith (Ewoks: Battle for Endor) (Ewoks: Caravan of Courage) Attack of the Clones Phantom Menace
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Post by Invisible Goat on Dec 17, 2017 21:18:23 GMT -5
5 4 8 6 R1 7 Who cares
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Post by Lone Locust of the Apocalypse on Dec 17, 2017 21:31:52 GMT -5
I didn't want Snoke to be an ass-kicking badass, I wanted an explanation as to why Empire 2.0 decided to make this guy their leader. Did he have any political clout? Who was he as a character? This guy basically reset the power balance back to the start of the original trilogy. Refusing to tell us anything about his background, thus reducing him to a Palpatine clone, is just shoddy storytelling in my opinion. Though, as I already said, I don't entirely blame Rian Johnson.
I'm not feeling the stakes in this new trilogy. The films keep telling me how desperate the whole situation is, but it just feels unearned to me. All I see is Disney desperately trying to recreate the dynamics of the original trilogy and failing because they keep cutting narrative corners.
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Post by Nudeviking on Dec 17, 2017 21:50:18 GMT -5
I didn't want Snoke to be an ass-kicking badass, I wanted an explanation as to why Empire 2.0 decided to make this guy their leader. Did he have any political clout? Who was he as a character? This guy basically reset the power balance back to the start of the original trilogy. Refusing to tell us anything about his background, thus reducing him to a Palpatine clone, is just shoddy storytelling in my opinion. Though, as I already said, I don't entirely blame Rian Johnson. I'm not feeling the stakes in this new trilogy. The films keep telling me how desperate the whole situation is, but it just feels unearned to me. All I see is Disney desperately trying to recreate the dynamics of the original trilogy and failing because they keep cutting narrative corners. They explained how the Emperor came to power and why people followed him 20 years after the fact. In the original movies he was just a guy in some robes. Though to answer your question as to why they would follow Snoke it's pretty straight forward: he was a giant who could throw dudes around with his mind. Why wouldn't they follow him? Personally I'm glad they didn't explain anything about him. I'd much rather an ALL ACTION movie than a movie that took an hour or two to explain a giant space wizard's rise to power via political machinations. We had that movie with the prequels and it wasn't particularly good, though that guy was just a regular sized space wizard.
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Post by Desert Dweller on Dec 17, 2017 22:11:10 GMT -5
A comment I just saw that had 291 likes. "The plotting itself in Act 2 was pointless. What Rian Johnson was trying to do (I’m not sure I totally agree with his decisions) was take the usual harebrained Star Wars convoluted Hail Mary hero plan and make it fail. And fail spectacularly. The Last Jedi was all about the heroes failing. There’s no more magic plot armor. Poe gets a lot of good people killed by his heroic plan in Act 1. Finn, Rose and Poe get a lot of good people killed by their heroic plan in Act 2. Luke gets a lot of good people killed 10 years ago by failing his failing pupil. If you view the Last Jedi as a movie about failure and overcoming it and subverting Good Guy Hero movies, it’s fantastic. If you went into Last Jedi expecting to see Hero Luke at some point, the Luke we left at the end of Return of the Jedi, like I did, you left the movie really disappointed. AT BEST, Luke gets some peace and closure at the end. He and Leia are truly side characters in this." UGGGGGGGGH, this sentiment sucks so much. It is basically wanting no challenge whatsoever for the heroes, nothing to actually be hard, and most importantly for a story to not have an actual point or character development. Of course the movie is about failure!!!!! Have they not seen EMPIRE STRIKES BACK?? And just in case they still didn't get it, fucking YODA shows up to tell them flat out! Were they in the bathroom during that scene? (I mean, the movie is long.) This is also the point of the final scene between Luke and Kylo Ren. Jesus. (Also, Luke is one of the most important characters in the movie, wtf are they talking about "side character"?) Actually, one of my biggest problems is that I don't think it let Rey fail ENOUGH. The scenes with Kylo Ren ended up focusing on him instead of her. Which is kind of unfortunate. But yeah, count me in the "Glad to be rid of Snoke" camp. OMG, everything about those scenes with Snoke was thrilling. I loved how the movie systematically destroyed everything I expected. When Kylo Ren tells her she's "nothing" I almost cried with joy. Please JJ Abrams, don't fuck that up. Who the hell needs a complex backstory for Snoke? We knew nothing about The Emperor in ESB or ROJ. He was just scary. That was it. And even though I thought he was (maybe) the only character who become more interesting thanks to the prequels, I definitely don't want to see any more flashback Star Wars movies about Snoke. I just don't care. I thought it was a brilliant move to get rid of him so quickly. It allows the focus to be on Kylo Ren. It lets him make the decisions. This is much better for the story. Letting him make the decisions reveals things about him. Such a great move. *Edited to add* I should specify that I didn't much like the reveal of Snoke in TFA in the first place as it felt too much like a Palpatine retread.
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Post by Desert Dweller on Dec 17, 2017 23:18:16 GMT -5
Leia did have the Force though or was at least implied to have it. There was that conversation between Ghostbi Wan Kenobi and Yoda about what to do if Luke failed where Yoda is all like, "There is another." If that doesn't do it for you Kylo Ren is able to use the Force so he must have gotten those midichlorians from somewhere and Han doesn't seem all that Forcey. If, for some reason, you want to ignore all that stuff it seems, since the Disney Era at least, that anyone can tap into the Force provided they try really hard or something. Chirut or whatever Donnie Yen's character was named in Rogue One repeatedly declared himself not to be a Jedi and yet was able to Force his way out of all sorts of sticky situations by doing his mantra and swinging his karate stick around. I like your explanation above about it being a life-or-death adrenaline rush kind of thing, I'm just amused at the thought of a rocket-powered princess. And the telepathy link was already established between Luke and Leia in Empire Strikes Back. Which I thought this movie was purposely using to subvert expectations about Rey's family.
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Post by The Spice Weasel on Dec 17, 2017 23:20:42 GMT -5
(Also, somewhere on the Internet I saw someone give it a one-star review, and his arguments were that the film promoted "PC culture" and "feminism". What the hell is wrong with people?) You only saw one of those reviews? All the angst from douchebros make me like this movie even more.
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Post by Nudeviking on Dec 18, 2017 0:02:36 GMT -5
So are we getting a Finn-Rose-Rey love triangle in Star Wars 9?
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Post by Mr. Greene's October Surprise on Dec 18, 2017 0:36:41 GMT -5
So are we getting a Finn-Rose-Rey love triangle in Star Wars 9? I WANT MY FINN-POE SEX SCENE, DAMMIT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2017 0:41:09 GMT -5
So are we getting a Finn-Rose-Rey love triangle in Star Wars 9? ummm, Rey and Ren is practically canon at this point. Does rey have across the galaxy chats staring at a shirtless finn? Fuck no.
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Post by Desert Dweller on Dec 18, 2017 0:46:11 GMT -5
This movie almost rendered Finn irrelevant. We'll see how IX goes, but I'm wondering if him sacrificing himself in this movie might have been the better ending?
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Post by Nudeviking on Dec 18, 2017 0:58:40 GMT -5
So are we getting a Finn-Rose-Rey love triangle in Star Wars 9? ummm, Rey and Ren is practically canon at this point. Does rey have across the galaxy chats staring at a shirtless finn? Fuck no. She told him to put a "cowl" on and looked bummed at the end when Finn was hanging all over a convalescing Rose.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2017 1:13:20 GMT -5
ummm, Rey and Ren is practically canon at this point. Does rey have across the galaxy chats staring at a shirtless finn? Fuck no. She told him to put a "cowl" on and looked bummed at the end when Finn was hanging all over a convalescing Rose. She told him to put on a cowl because she wants to be mad at him, and she cant be fully mad if he is half dressed! And I didn't read bummed at all for that.
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Post by ComradeQuestions on Dec 18, 2017 7:08:58 GMT -5
So are we getting a Finn-Rose-Rey love triangle in Star Wars 9? Nah, it'll just turn out Finn is Rose's twin sister. Anyway: Empire New Hope Last Jedi The Force Awakens Return of the Jedi Rogue One Ep 3 Ep 2 Ep 1
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Post by Ben Grimm on Dec 18, 2017 7:14:04 GMT -5
So are we getting a Finn-Rose-Rey love triangle in Star Wars 9? Nah, it'll just turn out Finn is Rose's twin sister. Anyway: Empire New Hope Last Jedi The Force Awakens Return of the Jedi Rogue One Ep 3 Ep 2 Ep 1 That's exactly what mine would be except I'd put The Force Awakens below Rogue One.
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Post by Crash Test Dumbass on Dec 18, 2017 8:24:03 GMT -5
I think you need a 3D map to plot out all the shipping that can be done from this movie and Awakens. Finn is into Rey, Rose, and Poe Rey is into Finn and Ben Rose loves Finn, or at least the idea of him Poe has a thing for BB-8 and possibly Leia Ben doesn't know what he wants
STAR WARS EPISODE XXX: EVERYBODY FUCKS
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2017 10:18:40 GMT -5
Also, the completed meeting between Rey and Luke. *looks at lightsaber, tosses it over his shoulder, storms off*
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