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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2019 9:10:03 GMT -5
Second random thought: Based on what happened during the time-travel shenanigans second act, my ideal scenario for the Loki series is now "Alternate universe where Loki wins, realizes it isn't that great, begrudgingly becomes hero" I could totally see that happening, haha! I really love Hiddleston's Loki and the whole "I just want to impress my father, but I'm really bad at executing plans that involve anything other than impersonating someone for a few months" thing.
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Post by oppy all along on Apr 29, 2019 9:11:26 GMT -5
I dunno, I think the Vikings would have considered killing people and taking their stuff as heroic actions. I think after imprisoning Hela Odin just did a factory reset on Mjolnir and rejiggered the settings to be less murder-y. She was still able to catch the hammer in Ragnarok though. It seemed like it still recognised her as a potential wielder even as she was shattering it. Plus I don't think Odin was particularly heroic either. Loves his kids definitely (except when he's banishing them to New Mexico after a fight), but we see that any notion towards peace and cooperation came later in life.
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Post by liebkartoffel on Apr 29, 2019 9:28:29 GMT -5
Oh well, this is going to be fun but I have to get it out there, and here is the least unsafe place on the internet to do so: I enjoyed Infintiy War a lot and really wanted to love Endgame but about 90 minutes in I couldn't deny it anymore: Nope this one doesn't work for me. At all. Time Travel Scavenger Hunt: Yeah this was surely to go wrong and thus there wouldn't be a climatic battle with Thanos. Throwing comedic or dramatic mishaps/coincidences (Hulk hate stairs!) did just unnnecessarily prolong this already boring part. As someone who mostly watches the Avengers (and Marvel) movies for the low-stakes hijinks and character moments rather than the giant CGI slug fests, this is precisely why I liked Endgame a lot more than Infinity War, which is almost entirely "who are you?!! whatever, let's team up and brawl with [ENEMY]." I liked how Endgame had some time to exhale, after the protracted inhalation that was Infinity War.Evidently Nebula comes equppied with wifi, and when the two Nebulas (Nebulae?) started occupying the same space they started glitching out because they were both trying to access the same network at the same time, involuntarily giving them access to each other's experiences. Thanos's goons figured that out, but they had to tinker around in Nebula 2's head a bit before they could piece together the Avengers' plan. Yes, it's a contrivance, but it doesn't go unexplained.From their perspective Nebula has been a loyal ally for the past five years. And seeing as how those stones were the key to bringing everyone back and restoring order to the universe I think they can be forgiven for being a little distracted.I don't think it could ever have been more than three hours of fan service, for good and bad, seeing as how they had to put a satisfying bow on the previous 21 films. I'd say the one "inventive" aspect (for a Marvel movie anyway) of the film was that it was absolutely, definitively an ending, with zero attempts to set up the next movie. There's not even a mid-/end-credits scene to wait around for. Again, for a Marvel movie, I found that pretty refreshing.
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Post by liebkartoffel on Apr 29, 2019 9:29:46 GMT -5
I appreciate your input as always.
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Post by Lt. Broccoli on Apr 29, 2019 9:36:18 GMT -5
4 billion people disappearing from Earth would be a major catastrophe. Like Children of Men but even worse. Everyone has already experienced alien invasions so they would at least understand that aspect of it, but losing half of everyone would just destroy the economy and society.
But even more fucked up than that would be if they all reappeared after 5 years! It would be utter clusterfuck chaos. I realize the movies aren't about real-life geopolitics, but that's all I can think about.
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Post by sarapen on Apr 29, 2019 9:38:34 GMT -5
I'm probably just going to dump random thoughts I had here as I remember them. Was anyone else at least a little surprised that they went with something as dark as "Tony tries to commit suicide in front of all the other Avengers" within the first 10 minutes of the movie? I believe Iron Man 3 showed Tony grew a new biological heart and didn't actually need the thingy to stay alive (but did need it to do Iron Man stuff). I think he was just trying to quit the conversation in a dramatic fashion but stood up too fast and fainted since he hadn't eaten in like 2 weeks. I dunno, I think the Vikings would have considered killing people and taking their stuff as heroic actions. I think after imprisoning Hela Odin just did a factory reset on Mjolnir and rejiggered the settings to be less murder-y. She was still able to catch the hammer in Ragnarok though. It seemed like it still recognised her as a potential wielder even as she was shattering it. Plus I don't think Odin was particularly heroic either. Loves his kids definitely (except when he's banishing them to New Mexico after a fight), but we see that any notion towards peace and cooperation came later in life. Oh yeah. Maybe Hela has root access and is the default user and Odin just put extra parameters later for any additional users. More importantly, it seems Odin is a re-gifter and gave Thor his older sister's handmedowns. It's a solid plan since Thor didn't even knew she existed. I bet Thor was actually wearing Hela's dresses when he was a toddler. Also, as someone on AVC pointed out, things must have gotten awkward when Cap returned the Soul Stone to the Red Skull.
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Post by Ben Grimm on Apr 29, 2019 9:47:45 GMT -5
What even happened with Agent 13? My daughter thought the whole thing with her and Steve being a thing was 'gross', but the storyline seems to have been tossed aside entirely. Did she even show up in Endgame? I believe they originally had a bigger role for her in Winter Soldier but cut it way back. I guess they just decided to pretend she was never around. Or maybe she was already Steve's granddaughter in the original timeline and the Russos cut her to hide the whole incest thing. She was always Peggy's great-niece, not granddaughter. While her relationship with Steve was always a little weird, she's not his granddaughter, and never has been.
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Post by Gamblin' Telly on Apr 29, 2019 9:55:25 GMT -5
I could rebuff your rebuff etc etc. No sense there though, there were a lot of parts that just annoyed and bored me, and those seem to be 100% the parts everybody else loves it for. I'm still an arrogant prick enough to predict that when the hype has died down and everybody has rewatched it at home in about 6 months, a lot of people will conclude that it wasn't that great after all.
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Post by sarapen on Apr 29, 2019 10:06:18 GMT -5
I could rebuff your rebuff etc etc. No sense there though, there were a lot of parts that just annoyed and bored me, and those seem to be 100% the parts everybody else loves it for. I'm still an arrogant prick enough to predict that when the hype has died down and everybody has rewatched it at home in about 6 months, a lot of people will conclude that it wasn't that great after all. See, I originally thought Infinity War was too long but after rewatching it I found it wasn't as interminable as I remembered. It's possible that we're all just glad at having our collective blue balls finally relieved after 11 years of teasing and that we'll revise our opinions once the initial afterglow has died down. I do wonder how future viewers will approach these 22 movies, though. I guess they're kind of like the Star Wars trilogy for the 2008-2019 crowd in that they're giant media events experienced comunally, but will there be fond nostalgia for the experience 20 years from now? I've heard that Star Wars can fall kind of flat if you're watching them for the first time as an adult so maybe there's a similar deflation to be expected for these Marvel movies.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2019 10:24:47 GMT -5
They could easily have another Captain America movie. Cap's Excellent Adventure.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2019 10:38:57 GMT -5
I believe they originally had a bigger role for her in Winter Soldier but cut it way back. I guess they just decided to pretend she was never around. Or maybe she was already Steve's granddaughter in the original timeline and the Russos cut her to hide the whole incest thing. She was always Peggy's great-niece, not granddaughter. While her relationship with Steve was always a little weird, she's not his granddaughter, and never has been. Joey Tribbiani Steve Rodgers: --Listen, I ah, I gotta say good bye, and-and I gotta say it quick 'cause this is killing me. One thing you gotta know, is that I will never forget you. But, you've got things you have to do now, and so do I. And so, I'm gonna get on this spaceship plane, and I'm gonna go to Blargon 7 the bottom of the Arctic in search of alternative fuels. But when I return, 200 70 or so years from now, you'll be long gone. But I won't have aged at all. So you tell your great-great- granddaughter niece to look me up, because Adrienne Peggy, baby, I'm gonna want to meet her.
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Post by Crash Test Dumbass on Apr 29, 2019 11:46:49 GMT -5
I was inspired by the "HEY LOOK ALL THE MARVEL WOMEN" scene (and part of GOTG2) to make this. I was amused. Maybe you will be too. Imgur didn't approve. Buncha kids ain't never heard of no Strong Bads anyway.
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Post by Superb Owl 🦉 on Apr 29, 2019 12:34:12 GMT -5
Regarding Black Widow:
1) Just kind of tone deaf that they would kill off the one female original Avenger prior to the big ending battle and then do the big GIRL POWER pose beat during the finale. I think the intentions were fine and the motivations felt in-character for her, but just a little clumsy. And then, really only Hawkeye seems too upset that she didn't get a big funeral as well?
2) That being said...I could see her not being dead. The obvious thing would be for that stand-alone movie to be a prequel, but if Cap has to go put the stone back and the time travel and infinity stone rules are kind of loosey-goosey....
Look, they could do a lot worse than just blatantly ripping off the good parts of Buffy season 6 for a Black Widow movie.
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Post by pairesta on Apr 29, 2019 14:56:25 GMT -5
Regarding Black Widow: 2) That being said...I could see her not being dead. The obvious thing would be for that stand-alone movie to be a prequel, but if Cap has to go put the stone back and the time travel and infinity stone rules are kind of loosey-goosey.... "A soul for a soul . . ." I thought Hawkeye should have died instead of her. Renner's lookin' rough and not into it, but apparently there's going to be a Hawkeye streaming show on Disney+? Anyways, just think of his family coming back and looking for him as a bookend to the opening of the whole movie. Nat has to explain what happened.
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Post by Superb Owl 🦉 on Apr 29, 2019 15:06:05 GMT -5
Regarding Black Widow: 2) That being said...I could see her not being dead. The obvious thing would be for that stand-alone movie to be a prequel, but if Cap has to go put the stone back and the time travel and infinity stone rules are kind of loosey-goosey.... "A soul for a soul . . ." I thought Hawkeye should have died instead of her. Renner's lookin' rough and not into it, but apparently there's going to be a Hawkeye streaming show on Disney+? Anyways, just think of his family coming back and looking for him as a bookend to the opening of the whole movie. Nat has to explain what happened. Based on what they've said about adding the Kate Bishop character, I suspect that Renner more or less is done and the Disney+ show is going to be much more focused on the new Hawkeye with him having a smaller mentor role. Who knows though?
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Post by liebkartoffel on Apr 29, 2019 15:13:11 GMT -5
I could rebuff your rebuff etc etc. No sense there though, there were a lot of parts that just annoyed and bored me, and those seem to be 100% the parts everybody else loves it for. I'm still an arrogant prick enough to predict that when the hype has died down and everybody has rewatched it at home in about 6 months, a lot of people will conclude that it wasn't that great after all. Honestly, while I loved the experience of seeing them in in the theater, and I'll probably watch them again at least once, I don't think either Infinity War or Endgame are particularly rewatchable. As I said elsewhere these don't really function as "movies" so much as their own category of spectacle. I think Endgame is more rewatchable simply because it isn't all rising action like Infinity War, but I doubt I'll want to return to it again and again like, say, Thor: Ragnarok or Winter Soldier.
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Post by Lt. Broccoli on Apr 29, 2019 15:15:03 GMT -5
Should I tweet this. I shouldn't tweet this. (Maybe it would be better if I could find a picture of Captain Marvel from the battle)
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Post by liebkartoffel on Apr 29, 2019 15:19:53 GMT -5
I'm probably just going to dump random thoughts I had here as I remember them. Was anyone else at least a little surprised that they went with something as dark as "Tony tries to commit suicide in front of all the other Avengers" within the first 10 minutes of the movie? I believe Iron Man 3 showed Tony grew a new biological heart and didn't actually need the thingy to stay alive (but did need it to do Iron Man stuff). I think he was just trying to quit the conversation in a dramatic fashion but stood up too fast and fainted since he hadn't eaten in like 2 weeks. *Pushes glasses up nose* actually the mini-arc reactor embedded in Tony's chest was supposed to keep shrapnel from entering his heart, it didn't replace his heart altogether. But yeah, at the end of IM3 he gets surgery to finally remove all the shrapnel, along with the reactor.
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Post by sarapen on Apr 29, 2019 15:24:57 GMT -5
I believe Iron Man 3 showed Tony grew a new biological heart and didn't actually need the thingy to stay alive (but did need it to do Iron Man stuff). I think he was just trying to quit the conversation in a dramatic fashion but stood up too fast and fainted since he hadn't eaten in like 2 weeks. *Pushes glasses up nose* actually the mini-arc reactor embedded in Tony's chest was supposed to keep shrapnel from entering his heart, it didn't replace his heart altogether. But yeah, at the end of IM3 he gets surgery to finally remove all the shrapnel, along with the reactor. Oh yeah. But the size of the arc reactor when Jeff Bridges stole it out of Tony's chest basically meant there was no room for a heart in there.
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Post by liebkartoffel on Apr 29, 2019 15:34:52 GMT -5
*Pushes glasses up nose* actually the mini-arc reactor embedded in Tony's chest was supposed to keep shrapnel from entering his heart, it didn't replace his heart altogether. But yeah, at the end of IM3 he gets surgery to finally remove all the shrapnel, along with the reactor. Oh yeah. But the size of the arc reactor when Jeff Bridges stole it out of Tony's chest basically meant there was no room for a heart in there. Yeah, the anatomy/geometry of it all doesn't make any sense, but I think he is supposed to still have his heart.
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Post by sarapen on Apr 29, 2019 16:38:18 GMT -5
No one mentioned the 5 years later haircuts. Obviously Hawkeye's floppy Mohawk was literally worse than the Holocaust but Captain Marvel's sassy pompadour had a certain "criticize my hair and I vaporize your planet" iconic arrogance to it.
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Post by Ben Grimm on Apr 29, 2019 18:00:06 GMT -5
No one mentioned the 5 years later haircuts. Obviously Hawkeye's floppy Mohawk was literally worse than the Holocaust but Captain Marvel's sassy pompadour had a certain "criticize my hair and I vaporize your planet" iconic arrogance to it. I really liked Carol's five years later hairdo.
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Post by Albert Fish Taco on Apr 29, 2019 18:35:33 GMT -5
OK maybe I completely misheard what he said, but I could have sworn that when Scarlet Witch goes up against Thanos he said something to the effect of "Wait, who are you exactly?", which I thought was the funniest line in the entire movie.
At the time I assumed it was something of a fanservice-y joke, because I assumed that no one really cares about the cadet branch of the Avengers (Scarlet Witch, Winter Soldier, Falcon, Vision). But nothing on-line seems to support what I heard so I'm now convinced I misheard it.
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Post by Nudeviking on Apr 29, 2019 18:41:42 GMT -5
OK maybe I completely misheard what he said, but I could have sworn that when Scarlet Witch goes up against Thanos he said something to the effect of "Wait, who are you exactly?", which I thought was the funniest line in the entire movie. At the time I assumed it was something of a fanservice-y joke, because I assumed that no one really cares about the cadet branch of the Avengers (Scarlet Witch, Winter Soldier, Falcon, Vision). But nothing on-line seems to support what I heard so I'm now convinced I misheard it. He did utter something along the lines of “I don’t even know who you are!” Which he wouldn’t have since the only interaction they had was when he killed her robot boyfriend 4 years in the future from whence he came.
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Post by Albert Fish Taco on Apr 29, 2019 18:48:01 GMT -5
OK maybe I completely misheard what he said, but I could have sworn that when Scarlet Witch goes up against Thanos he said something to the effect of "Wait, who are you exactly?", which I thought was the funniest line in the entire movie. At the time I assumed it was something of a fanservice-y joke, because I assumed that no one really cares about the cadet branch of the Avengers (Scarlet Witch, Winter Soldier, Falcon, Vision). But nothing on-line seems to support what I heard so I'm now convinced I misheard it. He did utter something along the lines of “I don’t even know who you are!” Which he wouldn’t have since the only interaction they had was when he killed her robot boyfriend 4 years in the future from whence he came. Oh good. For a bit there I thought i'd imagined it. Though a joke like that does seem out of character for Thanos.
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Post by Superb Owl 🦉 on Apr 29, 2019 19:06:59 GMT -5
He did utter something along the lines of “I don’t even know who you are!” Which he wouldn’t have since the only interaction they had was when he killed her robot boyfriend 4 years in the future from whence he came. Oh good. For a bit there I thought i'd imagined it. Though a joke like that does seem out of character for Thanos. And it was a poor man’s “For me...it was Tuesday.” to boot!
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Post by Lt. Broccoli on Apr 29, 2019 19:10:41 GMT -5
OK maybe I completely misheard what he said, but I could have sworn that when Scarlet Witch goes up against Thanos he said something to the effect of "Wait, who are you exactly?", which I thought was the funniest line in the entire movie. At the time I assumed it was something of a fanservice-y joke, because I assumed that no one really cares about the cadet branch of the Avengers (Scarlet Witch, Winter Soldier, Falcon, Vision). But nothing on-line seems to support what I heard so I'm now convinced I misheard it.
She said "you took everything from me", which is kind of weird since he took everything from everyone (and he didn't kill her brother, so I guess she doesn't care about that), and he said "I don't even know who you are", and she said "you will". It was pretty silly. Then he smacked her around a bit.
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Post by oppy all along on Apr 29, 2019 19:35:42 GMT -5
OK maybe I completely misheard what he said, but I could have sworn that when Scarlet Witch goes up against Thanos he said something to the effect of "Wait, who are you exactly?", which I thought was the funniest line in the entire movie. At the time I assumed it was something of a fanservice-y joke, because I assumed that no one really cares about the cadet branch of the Avengers (Scarlet Witch, Winter Soldier, Falcon, Vision). But nothing on-line seems to support what I heard so I'm now convinced I misheard it. She said "you took everything from me", which is kind of weird since he took everything from everyone (and he didn't kill her brother, so I guess she doesn't care about that), and he said "I don't even know who you are", and she said "you will". It was pretty silly. Then he smacked her around a bit.
I loved her little cameo. She is still rather upset at Thanos for killing her ro-boyfriend (it was like five hours ago for her) even though this Thanos would literally have no idea who she is since he never encountered her in his reality. Just the dead little way she says "you will", because she's already lost everything so who even cares anymore and also she's totally going to murder this guy. And then I think you're misremembering because Scarlet Witch kicks Thanos's arse. She was literally on the verge of murdering him when he out of desperation orders his ships to bombard the battleground hitting everyone including his own guys.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2019 20:31:46 GMT -5
She said "you took everything from me", which is kind of weird since he took everything from everyone (and he didn't kill her brother, so I guess she doesn't care about that), and he said "I don't even know who you are", and she said "you will". It was pretty silly. Then he smacked her around a bit.
I loved her little cameo. She is still rather upset at Thanos for killing her ro-boyfriend (it was like five hours ago for her) even though this Thanos would literally have no idea who she is since he never encountered her in his reality. Just the dead little way she says "you will", because she's already lost everything so who even cares anymore and also she's totally going to murder this guy. And then I think you're misremembering because Scarlet Witch kicks Thanos's arse. She was literally on the verge of murdering him when he out of desperation orders his ships to bombard the battleground hitting everyone including his own guys. Lt. Broccoli
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Post by Gamblin' Telly on Apr 30, 2019 3:24:52 GMT -5
How did Steve Rogers actually go about living his well deserved "full life"?
Did he just knock on Peggy Carter's door? "Hi, it's me but you can't tell anyone because, you know, I'm dead. Well not actually dead just frozen, you're going to meet young me again after living this secret relationship with me for decades. It's going to be awkward but you have to pretend you're surprised by this!"
Or did he just get a new identity and lived his secret full life starting a completely unrelated relationship/family? Doesn't sound like Cap'n...
They kinda retconned their own time travels rules there for the emotional sendoff of Captain, didn't they?
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