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Post by oppy all along on May 10, 2019 20:18:23 GMT -5
I don't understand why you're getting this defensive about the way that PET and I are interpreting the movie. It's really and truly fine if you don't see any of it the way that we do, because we all interpret media in our own way, but I could really do without being called silly or weird for having a different opinion, which you've done twice now in this thread. *shrugs* I didn't mean any ill will with my word choice. It may have come across in the... thirty posts I've made in this threat, but I'm very enthusiastic about Avengers: Endgame as well as the MCU in general, and have strong opinions I've convinced myself the world needs to hear.
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Post by oppy all along on May 10, 2019 21:12:50 GMT -5
Avengers: Age of Ultron was actually importantIt's wild how much Endgame follows up on Age of Ultron which, diplomatically speaking, is the least popular in hindsight of the Avengers quintet (Avengers 1, Age of Ultron, Civil War, Infinity War, Endgame). Seeing the Infinity Saga as a whole, there's a lot of stuff in Age of Ultron that has more resonance now. As if they planned it all along. The biggest crowdpleaser, of course, being Captain America being able to budge Mjolnir. Incidentally, the Russo brothers disagree with my 'Mjolnir is a measure of worth as a warrior rather than a hero, and Cap wasn't actually able to lift Mjolnir all the way then'. What do they know anyway? But that was definitely paid off in spectacular fashion. Hawkguy's family were introduced, and showing the wonderful home life he had set up the sheer scope of what he lost in the opening of Endgame. Hawkguy, Scarlet Witch, and Quicksilver is a minor story beat, but that is followed up on as well in the bond between Hawkguy and Scarlet Witch, and Scarlet Witch's loss in this movie no doubt contributes to the bleakness in her voice when she tells Thanos she's lost everything. I think the biggest story-wise though was the visions Scarlet Witch inflicted in the Avengers. - Iron Man saw a world where he failed, where all his friends were dead and he was haunted by the possibility that he could have saved them. "You could have saved us... why didn't you do more?"
- Black Widow saw the Red Room that trained her, "What if I fail?" "You never fail." and "I have no place in the world." "Exactly."
- Captain America saw a party at the end of WWII where he'd finally be able to dance with Peggy. "The war is over Steve. You can go home. Imagine it."
- Thor saw the end of Asgard, where his rule had led them to ruin. "You're a destroyer, Odinson."
- We don't see what Bruce Banner saw, but his subsequent freak-out and destruction of essentially the city of Johannesburg triggered a new round of conflict between Bruce and the big guy.
Everything that happened in this sequence paid forward into how their characters went out - Iron Man's fear of failure led him to do all of the more, Black Widow's inability to accept failure and feeling of alienation from the world contributed to her sacrifice at Vormir, Captain America went home, Thor passed on his rule, and Bruce/Hulk eventually resolved their violent personality conflict. One thing that was not followed up on was the Hulk/Widow romance. Good. Miscellany Ohhhh, so Captain Marvel travelled to Earth first, met up with the Avengers, and they told her about Iron Man having left Earth on a space ship. So she was out there looking for him and it's a bit less unlikely that she'd find him before he and Nebula died. I mean it's still pretty unlikely. Space is very large. It really is awesome that Hulk went from "Earth hate Hulk" to Professor Hulk doing a dad dab and taking photos with kids. And how in the end his contribution to the big fight wasn't destroying things (though he also did destroy things) but through his intellect and heroism. Avengers: Endgame also paid forward Iron Man 3 (Pepper Potts in a suit) and Thor: The Dark World. Hell, it also paid off the culmination of Bruce Banner's working with the Hulk that started with Edward Norton smiling with green eyes at the end of The Incredible Hulk. The MCU going "thanks guys for even paying attention to our less good movies. We love ya" At the start of the movie, Tony Stark says he needs to go to sleep. Nebula puts him in a seated position and then music plays. When Tony Stark does the snap, he died in a seated position. The same damn music plays. Also both times his last words are to Pepper. If Falcon is the Captain now, does that make him... Captain Falcon? FALCON PUNCH! Disney's new strategy to drive up repeat viewings of Endgame is to put trailers out that are just blatantly showing the best parts of the movie and god damn it it's working I'm so hyped to see this movie at least two more times.
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Post by Ben Grimm on May 11, 2019 6:08:59 GMT -5
Ohhhh, so Captain Marvel travelled to Earth first, met up with the Avengers, and they told her about Iron Man having left Earth on a space ship. So she was out there looking for him and it's a bit less unlikely that she'd find him before he and Nebula died. I mean it's still pretty unlikely. Space is very large. Rocket was on Earth and with the Avengers then - he probably could have helped Carol zero in on the Benatar since it was his ship.
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Post by Dr. Rumak on May 11, 2019 6:21:43 GMT -5
Ohhhh, so Captain Marvel travelled to Earth first, met up with the Avengers, and they told her about Iron Man having left Earth on a space ship. So she was out there looking for him and it's a bit less unlikely that she'd find him before he and Nebula died. I mean it's still pretty unlikely. Space is very large. Really big. You just won't believe how vastly, hugely, mind-bogglingly big it is. I mean, you may think it's a long way down the road to the chemist, but that's just peanuts to space.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2019 15:31:04 GMT -5
Disney's new strategy to drive up repeat viewings of Endgame is to put trailers out that are just blatantly showing the best parts of the movie and god damn it it's working I'm so hyped to see this movie at least two more times. FUCKING HELL, you had to share that trailer! I just bought tickets to see it again tonight in IMAX 3D! Damn you, opp!
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Post by Mr. Greene's October Surprise on May 11, 2019 16:07:07 GMT -5
Disney's new strategy to drive up repeat viewings of Endgame is to put trailers out that are just blatantly showing the best parts of the movie and god damn it it's working I'm so hyped to see this movie at least two more times. FUCKING HELL, you had to share that trailer! I just bought tickets to see it again tonight in IMAX 3D! Damn you, opp! YAY, you took my advice! I've finally done something worthwhile in the real world!
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Post by oppy all along on May 13, 2019 17:45:39 GMT -5
If only we still had a Perv Board
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Post by Superb Owl 🦉 on May 19, 2019 14:10:44 GMT -5
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Post by patbat on May 19, 2019 14:13:18 GMT -5
Nobody is more shocked than me
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Post by Roy Batty's Pet Dove on Jun 2, 2019 0:36:49 GMT -5
Just watched this danged movie, and saw the new Spiderman trailer right after it. Everyone's saying it was wrong of Disney to release a trailer with spoilers for Endgame a week after that movie was released and that's true, Disney is illustrative of most of the things that are wrong with capitalism including some minor things that affect our enjoyment of pop culture, but here's the other thing. Peter Parker could have been talking about any dead Tony in that trailer. Peter Parker might be saying that he misses Tony because he saw that Fe Man mural on the side of that building, and seeing a mural of his popular friend Tony Stark reminded him of another dead person named Tony, whom Peter misses very much. All the bullshit about Nicholas Fury hiring him as a child soldier to be the next Fe Man could have been like in the famous 90s television series Batman Beyond where the Bat-Man is still alive but he employs a child soldier to do vigilante violence for him as the new-timey the Bat-Man. Nothing about that trailer is technically a spoiler for Avengers: Endgame, except for the fact that Peter Parker is not retroactively wiped out of existence for all of time in that film.
You can disagree with me, but I'm goddamned right about this.
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Post by Roy Batty's Pet Dove on Jun 2, 2019 2:01:13 GMT -5
Regarding time travel shenanigans, in the main continuity Loki is arrested and brought to Asgard and only escapes during the events of Thor: The Dark World. So that goes into the time travel theory that the movie espouses - every other time travel movie is stupid and you don't change the future by going into the past, you just create branching realities. So Loki in the MCU reality still goes along the same way until Thanos kills him in Infinity War, but in one of the branching realities (MCU sneakily bringing in the multiverse) Loki escapes with the Tesseract after the events of The Avengers. I think the Loki show which they've been a mix of vague and evasive about is going to end up being the story of how Endgame-escape Loki makes it to the main MCU universe. We're getting him back as a villain. I disagree. I think the Loki show is going to be about when Loki gets bound to a rock with the entrails of his son, and has a cool snake dripping venom on him from above such that his wife has to catch the venom in a venom-catching basin, but whenever she has to leave to empty the basin the snake's venom drips onto Loki and causes him immense pain. And that will be what happens, episode after episode.
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Post by Roy Batty's Pet Dove on Jun 2, 2019 2:19:19 GMT -5
*I'm quite surprised the entire planet didn't just immediately descend into chaos after half the global population disappears, but everyone really seemed to keep their act together--there are elaborate memorials and support groups and everything. I guess Ant-Man walks past a couple of dilapidated houses, but that seems to be the extent of the damage. Also, if Thanos really did kill half of all "living creatures" shouldn't half the trees and grass and dogs and cats and stuff be gone as well? Didn't really look like it. He did kill off half of the animals too. Or at least they used a dude (maybe Antman maybe Hawkguy...I can't really remember) seeing a bunch of birds flittering around after Hulk snapped his fingers as signification that Hulk's snap had worked. As for plants and stuff I guess Thanos doesn't consider them to be living creatures. Here's my problem with that. If half of all life is killed, doesn't that mean that like half of the bacteria in the bodies of people who weren't killed by Thanos would turn into dust and probably cause some sort of immune reaction that would just kill a bunch more people?
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Post by Ben Grimm on Jun 2, 2019 14:54:25 GMT -5
I think the Loki show which they've been a mix of vague and evasive about is going to end up being the story of how Endgame-escape Loki makes it to the main MCU universe. We're getting him back as a villain. I disagree. I think the Loki show is going to be about when Loki gets bound to a rock with the entrails of his son, and has a cool snake dripping venom on him from above such that his wife has to catch the venom in a venom-catching basin, but whenever she has to leave to empty the basin the snake's venom drips onto Loki and causes him immense pain. And that will be what happens, episode after episode. Sounds like a dramatization of what it felt like to watch Season 8 of Game of Thrones.
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Post by Nudeviking on Jun 2, 2019 15:47:43 GMT -5
He did kill off half of the animals too. Or at least they used a dude (maybe Antman maybe Hawkguy...I can't really remember) seeing a bunch of birds flittering around after Hulk snapped his fingers as signification that Hulk's snap had worked. As for plants and stuff I guess Thanos doesn't consider them to be living creatures. Here's my problem with that. If half of all life is killed, doesn't that mean that like half of the bacteria in the bodies of people who weren't killed by Thanos would turn into dust and probably cause some sort of immune reaction that would just kill a bunch more people? Maybe the bacteria that got dusted when various people also turned to dust counted as the 50% of bacteria.
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Post by Crash Test Dumbass on Jun 2, 2019 17:58:15 GMT -5
Here's my problem with that. If half of all life is killed, doesn't that mean that like half of the bacteria in the bodies of people who weren't killed by Thanos would turn into dust and probably cause some sort of immune reaction that would just kill a bunch more people? Maybe the bacteria that got dusted when various people also turned to dust counted as the 50% of bacteria. I'm going to allow it.
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Post by Mr. Greene's October Surprise on Jun 3, 2019 3:41:34 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2019 9:04:06 GMT -5
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Post by patbat on Jun 5, 2019 19:38:22 GMT -5
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Post by oppy all along on Jun 6, 2019 16:51:49 GMT -5
It does seem unfair to be putting this all on the kid’s shoulders.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2019 18:36:47 GMT -5
It does seem unfair to be putting this all on the kid’s shoulders. My guess is that Fury and all the Shield stuff is going to be a figment of whatever mysterio is trying to do.
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Post by Nudeviking on Jul 17, 2019 20:29:54 GMT -5
So I've been thinking a lot about the return of Ant-Man today. First off, how many of the 14,000,605 futures that Doctor Strange looked at in Infinity War do you think featured a random regular-ass rat turning on a portal thus freeing Ant-Man? I personally like to think that that single act was the 1 in 14,000,605 that he saw because all the other shit it seemed like didn't go according to plan but still ended up working out in the end. For example Hulk '12 being angry at stairs allowed Loki '12 to abscond with one of the Infinity Stones and Nebula '23 using the same cloud server as Nebula '14 allowed Thanos '14 to figure out the plan, neither of which ended up causing a failure condition. More over Captain America, Scarlet Witch, and Captain Marvel were all able to go toe to toe with Thanos '14 without dying so it's clear that any of them (as well as Thor) could probably have finished Thanos '14 off with a bit more effort. Any random ass Avenger at the end of that final battle could have put the gauntlet on and snapped Thanos '14 and Co. out of existence. It was that one rat that was the 1 in 14,000,605. Secondly when Scott "Ant-Man" Lang left the storage facility why did he only take a random wagon full of junk rather than his van? He clearly went back to get the van later since it ended up being critical to the movie that followed and the scaring a kid on a bike scene would have worked better if it was a weird dude in an abduction van rather than a dude with a wagon of stuff. So why'd he initially leave the van behind? The battery wasn't dead since the rat turned all the stuff on via walking on the dashboard, and if he just needed gas or something wouldn't it have been easier to just walk without the wagon of junk to get some gas and then come back to the storage place and load up the van and drive out? If he somehow didn't have keys why didn't he call someone who might have had the keys bring them over? There's no goddamn reason why he would have not driven the van out of the storage place from the jump. FUCK YES! MY THEORY ABOUT THE RAT WAS RIGHT ALL ALONG!!!
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Post by oppy all along on Jul 20, 2019 20:06:09 GMT -5
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Post by oppy all along on Aug 6, 2019 19:40:41 GMT -5
"It's all about grief, loss, guilt, depression, and despair. Because today's escapist fantasy isn't becoming a superhero, it's going back to fix your mistakes instead of scraping by in the waking nightmare of your own failure."
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Post by oppy all along on Oct 31, 2019 23:49:15 GMT -5
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