Avengers: Endgame SPOILER thread

I didn't really have to but around 2 hours in I thought "yeah might as well go stretch my legs". Although I was on a recliner with a footstool...

That Taco Truck is parked just beside the landing zone

Endgame is actually just one three-hour post-credits scene for Infinity War.

Me and the wife bounced immediately, over half the theater was still sitting waiting. I could have said something, but I needed to poo and didn't want a long line.

I stand by the handling of Black Widow. She was narratively the right choice to go out, it was in keeping with her character and paid off her character arc, it was very sad and all the Avengers were sad. I think people mistake ‘don’t meaninglessly kill off your female characters’ with ‘never kill off your female characters’.

Also the Hawkeye disrespect is rampant and I will not stand for it. Did nobody watch Age of Ultron?

Yeah, and (Cap? Tony?) even said they were her family.

She really didn't get mourned much. Despite being an original Avenger and a superspy and a *friend*.

I do totally understand your irritation; I believe family is created and found as often as born into. My husband is my family, but so are my best friends from college and my husband's closest friends. Nat was just as worthy of living as Hawkeye. 

(And I also read that was a somewhat last minute change which is also bullshit.)

So according to Far From Home, the Snap did create alternate timelines, even though according to Endgame, it...didn't? Or did maybe. It's a bit unclear.

Fury: "The Snap tore a hole in our dimension." "You mean there's a multi-verse?"

Not branching timelines, but alternate realities. Allegedly.

That's my assumption here.

Again, I really didn't see this as a devaluing of female life, but as the culmination of Black Widow's entire arc and personality. Even in Age of Ultron at the height of 'maybe Joss Whedon isn't the feminist nerd messiah we thought he was', this was all in Black Widow's head. She devalues herself, she raises Clint's family as being an important reason for him to stick around (see: 'Aunt Nat'). She was raised from childhood to be a super spy and is still recovering from the trauma of that. You could even read that really, really bad bit of dialogue in Age of Ultron as her using her inability to have children as symbolic of her feeling like she was never given the opportunity or capacity to develop real human bonds and attachments. That's what makes the found family she develops with the Avengers so meaningful.

And the point of Vormir was not "Black Widow has less to live for". Hawkeye was just as willing to die for her, and if he had been the better fighter the point would not have been "Hawkeye has less to live for". Black Widow died on Vormir for a number of reasons - her and Hawkeye's platonic love for each other extended long before the MCU started and she would do anything to save him, her arc of learning to accept a found family and then clutching that family more closely and with more commitment than honestly any of the other Avengers did (see Civil War, where her entire motivation was 'I have to find a way to keep the Avengers together we just have to stick together and everything will be okay), and her tragic tendency from the very beginning to make the sacrifice play. Whether it be "I'll let an arms dealer punch my face in so we can get intel" or "I'll swan dive off a cliff to save my best friend in the world and hopefully all my other friends as well". (this would also become the foundation of her connection with boy scout Steve Rogers).

And the idea that the other Avengers weren't sad and didn't mourn is silly. We had the group "oh we're real sad right now" take where the Avengers paused their plan to literally save half of the universe to process their grief. Hawkeye and Hulk are still expressing their grief at the end of the movie. Yes, Iron Man's funeral was more featured in the movie, but that's as much about Robert Downey Jr being the daddy of the MCU universe as anything. Plus, Scarlett Johansson still has a movie coming while Robert Downey Jr as far as we know is out out. 

Huh, I hadn't thought of that. The movie does that a lot - 'we don't have time to fully explain this, we'll give the major emotional beats and then you nerds can speculate wildly about the logistics'. Doctor Strange pulls in all those space people for the big fight in upstate New York, I'm sure someone there could arrange a ship for Cap. 

There's also the question of how he'd get there even if he had a spaceship. Unless spaceship navigation is incredibly intuitive. 

‘Avengers: Endgame’: Tom Holland Pre-Film Message & Post-Film ‘Spider-Man’ Trailer Added To Screenings
Moviegoers who attend screenings of Avengers: Endgame this weekend will see something new: a pre-film message from Tom Holland encouraging them to stick around after the movie to see the trailer for Spider-Man: Far From Home, the July 2 release that picks up the narrative thread after Endgame’s momentous events.

Man, Sony is making out like a bandit from their deal to let Spider-Man join the MCU. Spidey is already speculated to be the next member of the billionaire's club after it's confirmed that it will essentially be 'Spider-Man: Wrapping Up The Loose Plot Threads After Endgame'

This raises the theory that fucking with the Infinity Stones caused this timeline we're in now physically in the actual world. I demand a better writer.