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Post by ganews on Sept 1, 2021 12:24:00 GMT -5
The winner for September is New York Dolls, "New York Dolls". Post your thoughts here!
The whole thing isn't available on YouTube.
Here is Spotify:
tracklist for individual searching A 1. "Personality Crisis" 2. "Looking for a Kiss" 3. "Vietnamese Baby" 4. "Lonely Planet Boy" 5. "Frankenstein (Orig.)" B 1. "Trash" 2. "Bad Girl" 3. "Subway Train" 4. "Pills" 5. "Private World" 6. "Jet Boy"
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Post by repulsionist on Sept 1, 2021 16:41:01 GMT -5
"Roll up for the Mystery Tour!", "Ty-i-i-i-i-me is on my side.", and "I Need Lunch! FEED ME!"
In their glamourous irreverence a kernel of devotion to bluesy Stones' rock exists. In my odd set of lyric clips I have a theme.
The Early Personal History
I first encountered the Dolls through the magic of cassette tape. It was a brisk summer morning in late July, Canton, NC 1986 - Boy Scouts' Camp Daniel Boone. There was a cool, older guy wearing eyeliner who recognised my interest in punk rock by my terrible haircut. Intrigued and attracted to his mystique, he invited me into his canvas tent. The dangerous, magical noise was delivered via an off-brand walkman. I got to borrow the tape. I had one of my own, so I traded a Dead Kennedys' mix for temporary usage of his tape. There wasn't any sexual experimentation, though the reader may have thought that from how it was set up: Boy Scouts, older teenager, risqué meetings, open transgressive behaviour, and so on. The tape also included hits from Rudimentary Peni, Crass, The Clash, and a few other oddities I had no real reference for.
The Dolls tracks were "Looking for a Kiss" and "Frankenstein". I definitely did NOT groove to the lyrical content. I didn't like Rudimentary Peni, either. I could hear that dude's crazy, even as a 14 year-old.
The Revisiting as an Adult
I bought this record about 20 years ago, after hearing tracks throughout my Uni years, my travels to Europe, and going to NYC a few times: 1988, 1997, 2001. I knew David Johansen more as Buster Poindexter than a rules-breaking singer in a drag band singing about 'down and out in NYC in the early 1970s'. But, I was feeling hot that day, so I acquired the object on CD. It was not a reissue, not a remaster. Just a dirty old transfer ticket from one age to the next. I loved the record. I listened to it through and through more than 20 times after buying it, before migrating to a serious listening of whatever I purchased the subsequent weekend after. It stayed in my motor's multi-disc CD player for about a month.
Lunch Time
Maybe I'll have time to input some dry-witted desert island discs words to the songs here. "Vietnamese Baby" is my new favourite track of the record after doing a half-assed listen-through this morning. The whole of the review here was snaking around the idea of: quintessential NYC that everyone fondly remembers - "dangerous, interesting, exciting". Something, something: Charlie Watts was a great drummer, but NY Dolls is a better fit for the theme of this month's record club. It's getting close to lunch time, kids are yelling. I don't have the time to appreciate this respite of remembrance. I don't have the time to enjoy something I have found funny and engaging for the last 35 years. Shit sucks. People die. What you remember enjoying may not endure in the same vibrancy it once had, but sometimes there is a thing you didn't remember enjoying then that you find some joy in now. Hopefully, some of the others might have the time to do that this month.
Lyric clips were: The Beatles, The Rolling Stones, Dead Boys.
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Post by Dellarigg on Sept 2, 2021 6:48:15 GMT -5
This is one of those albums where I'd heard so much about it that when I finally got round to listening, it could only be a mild disappoinment. But only mild - I always found it decent if long and lumbering, and Johansen's voice never did much for me, though the songs and the playing a nice enough. Trash is really good.
I much prefer the Johnny Thunders albums, LAMF and So Alone, to show that I'm not being a total naysayer or brooding over the Stones failing to win.
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Post by pantsgoblin on Sept 2, 2021 10:51:20 GMT -5
In my teenage forays into glam/proto-punk, I never really explored the NYC scene as much as their contemporaries elsewhere, especially UK and Michigan acts (for reasons I'll get into in a bit). So, this is almost certainly the first time I've heard the Dolls' debut.
It's alright. Distinctive enough that it largely held my interest though I agree with Dellarigg that there's significant bloat. What ultimately gets in my craw about the music (Johansen's singing and lyrics are inoffensive) is that it feels like the penultimate step in NYC rock leading to The Ramones. The Brothers Ramone always bugged me because they felt (even when I was in impressionable teenager) like a Reagan-era co-opting a few years earlier. There's a latent conservatism to them, in that they argued that rock should never have advanced beyond 1965 while also removing all traces of the blues from the music. This record's Bo Diddley cover is instructive: how do you take an artist who's all blues dynamism and shuffle and turn it into a 4/4 trifle?
Obviously, it's not fair to lay The Ramones' sins at the feet of New York Dolls, but I gotta say there's a creeping sense of flattening and commodification here. Johnny Thunders is a great guitarist and his wonderfully nasty tones hold this contraption together, but the rhythm section? Yes, Jerry Nolan is a solid drummer but his work unfortunately is flavorless where even their glam contemporaries could manage some distinctiveness. Meanwhile, Arthur Kane's bass playing is charming to put it kindly. It all adds up to what I would consider one of the Ground Zeros of punk-influenced "fridge buzzing" that Thom Yorke famously sang about.
That said, I did vote for this album and I'm glad to finally hear it. I'll never look at Scrooged the same way.
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Post by Djse (and a Sack of Cats) on Sept 13, 2021 15:19:34 GMT -5
I never got into the New York Dolls. I was more of a Ramones/Stooges kid. *shrug* Here's what I think of this album, listening to it from start to end for what I'm pretty sure is the very first time.
Right away you can hear how much '80s hair metal was influenced by Johnny Thunders' guitar work - pretty sure C.C. Deville has borrowed this opening to "Personality Crisis" more than once.
Fun fact - David Johansen of the New York Dolls went on to become Buster Poindexter ("Feelin' HOT HOT HOT!") in the '80s.
"Vietnamese Baby" sounds an awful lot like the Rolling Stones if they were all shitfaced and Keith didn't show up so they got whoever was in the studio next door. Reminds me of the band from Cheech & Chong's Up In Smoke who do the song about being "so very psycho".
I dunno what to do with "Lonely Planet Boy". It's not good.
"Frankenstein" is not a version of the Edgar Winter song, so that was disappointing. The guitar riff sounds like something someone would write in response to being accused of only knowing three chords.
"Trash" is the first song on the album that I really enjoyed. "And please don't you ask me if I love you." Fun jam, followed immediately by another in "Bad Girl", and another (after the meh "Subway Train") in my favorite track on the album, "Pills". "Jet Boy" is a solid album closer.
All in all, I'm glad I listened to this but it didn't make me a New York Dolls convert. I see the appeal but this flavor of glam-sleaze has never been my cup of pills.
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Post by MyNameIsNoneOfYourGoddamnBusin on Sept 13, 2021 19:24:55 GMT -5
Not my first time listening to this, but my first time listening to it in many years. I remember it being about half kick-ass classics and half completely forgettable filler. Looking over the track listing, that seems about right. I liked it fine then, certainly better than their second album (despite it containing what is probably their best song in "Babylon")--never bothered with any of their post-reunion albums (a decision I unfortunately did not make with the Stooges). I went to see them on their first reunion tour in 2005--front row right in front of Johansen.
Anyway: the meat of the review.
1. Personality Crisis: The album starts out with two great tracks. I am admittedly a much bigger fan of Johnny Thunders' work post-Dolls and I prefer the version of "Personality Crisis" he did on his own. Yeah, I could do without the piano, but this is a good song. I'll agree there is definitely some proto-glam faux metal in this one. It's no secret they were the band about of Guns N' Roses wanted to be (Use Your Illusion was dedicated to Johnny Thunders).
2. Lookin' For A Kiss: Classic. Possibly could have been a hit, but wasn't.
3-5. Vietnamese Baby/Lonely Planet Boy/Frankenstein: The filler section. Vietnamese Baby and Frankenstein are okay, although never anything I'll want to hear alone again. Lonely Planet Boy sounds like something from a different album by a different band. The worst thing on the album even without the stupid horn.
6. Trash: I feel like this is their best known song? Although I don't think that people know any New York Dolls unless they've specifically sought them out. I like it.
7. Bad Girl: Another filler track. I can recognize it's not bad and it's a good sound, but I don't really like it.
8. Subway Train: It's a little all over the place in what it's trying to be, but I like this one.
9. Pills: The lone cover on this album (their follow-up had four). A fine Bo Diddley take, but you can't help but compare it to the Stooges' uncredited Bo Diddley influence on 1969, and from there it's no comparison.
I went to see Sylvain Sylvain when he did an acoustic set club tour with the great punk rock footnote Glen Matlock in 2014. Between two songs, he pointed at me in the nearly empty room and sent me "backstage" (a corner of the room where the back door was, covered by a thin black curtain) to get him a drink. I don't know what it was, but it was an odd shade of green and served in something about the size of the plastic cap off a cough syrup bottle. One of the greatest moments of my audience member career. Anyway, the story he told leading into "Pills," and of course I assume it's closer to self-started myth than fact, was that the band went to see a Bo Diddley concert after finishing up their own show at another club, with no time to change out of their flamboyant costumes. They apparently stood in the back, shouting out requests for him to play "Pills" . . . and were promptly thrown out under suspicion of being drug dealers. Again, questionable veracity, but it's a good story.
10. Private World: I had absolutely no memory of this song, but listening to it tonight, I don't know why. It's a pretty fun song that doesn't try to hide the fact that it's lifted directly from "Louie Louie."
11. Jet Boy: Great album closer.
All-in-all, I enjoyed it. Great songs, but not enough to be a great album. The first band to answer the question "What if Mick Jagger was a less talented transvestite?" You can hear the earliest version of punk rock guitar in there, but it's certainly something other bands took and improved upon (The Ramones, Johnny Thunders and The Heartbreakers). An interesting piece of music that certainly has its rightful place in rock history, but it's much weaker than the best stuff it influenced.
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Post by Some Kind of Munster on Sept 14, 2021 10:52:58 GMT -5
"Hey bad girl, I know why you're bad And don't you know, it just makes me glad When everybody's gonna put you down Looking for your last friend, I'll be around" So, on more than one occasion in high school (and yeah also college) I attempted to use this technique to date cool/popular girls who were suddenly uncool/unpopular due to whatever teenage drama was going on. And it even kinda worked one time! Anyway it wasn't until several years later that I heard this song (a cover by the great New Bomb Turks, not even the original) and I was like "Hey, they stole my move!" Oh yeah, the album. Uh, I've probably listened to it a handful of times? And I actually saw the New York Dolls play at the annual free music festival in town here one year. They were... good... but like, sunny afternoon in a park on the waterfront surrounded by ice-cream-eating kids is probably not the ideal venue for these guys, y'know?
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Post by ganews on Sept 14, 2021 11:53:36 GMT -5
I don't have much to add except that it sounds like it would have been fun live. I support harmonica and handclaps. And Munster used to outsource negging.
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Post by Dellarigg on Sept 14, 2021 15:53:02 GMT -5
Fun fact: the adolescent Morrissey headed up the UK branch of their fan club.
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Post by MyNameIsNoneOfYourGoddamnBusin on Sept 14, 2021 16:38:32 GMT -5
Fun fact: the adolescent Morrissey headed up the UK branch of their fan club. And was the one who orchestrated their first reunion concert in 2003.
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