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Post by ganews on Oct 1, 2021 17:15:44 GMT -5
The October poll winner is Black Sabbath, "Paranoid". Post your thoughts below!
Here's the deluxe edition video, but the original is 8 tracks.
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Post by Floyd D Barber on Oct 1, 2021 20:05:34 GMT -5
I always liked this album, especially "Paranoid" and "Iron Man". I used to work with a guy who was in a bunch of garage bands in the 70's, and he said they always started out learning Black Sabbath songs because they were so simple and easy to play, when you learned one, you learned half a dozen. This is not to disparage their work. I think some of Pink Floyd's songs sound deceptively simple also, but I won't deny the genius of either band. I'd say it's a tossup whether I like "Paranoid" or "Master of Reality" better, because I really like some of their quieter stuff like "Orchid" and especially "Solitude".
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Post by Dellarigg on Oct 2, 2021 5:50:08 GMT -5
I can't say they're a band I love - I prefer Motorhead by far for this sort of thing - but this is the album of theirs I listen to most. I vastly prefer the first half, finding the second gets a little bogged down in stock riffs. Can't argue with Iron Man or the title track though, so I won't try.
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Post by pantsgoblin on Oct 4, 2021 17:33:20 GMT -5
Can’t say I was eagerly lining up to bat for PantsGoblin Analysis™ on this one, as these OG Sabbath bones have been picked clean critically. High: a recent positive Pitchfork reappraisal of Ozzy’s No More Tears, such is the reach of that degenerate’s work. Low: the refrain of “dude, did you know Tony Iommi totally sawed off his fingers in shop class?” et al, to be repeated until time stops. That said, it’s a fine album that I always enjoy, one that doesn’t get enough respect beyond the sonics that lead to metal so much as for the Sheffield themes of post-industrial desperation that no one else in rock (maybe the Detroit guys) at the time seemed to recognize. Have fun, and I’d like to move on and make the most of the night. |
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Post by Djse (and a Sack of Cats) on Oct 5, 2021 12:59:15 GMT -5
Honestly I'm surprised this won - I nominated it but did not vote (at all). Nonetheless, I welcome the opportunity to encourage people to listen to Black Sabbath, be it for the first or fifteen thousandth time. Here's a Spotify link for the 2012 remaster. |
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Post by repulsionist on Oct 7, 2021 15:12:37 GMT -5
I guess, harrumph. Our record choices have remained consistent throughout the last 8 years. I had this record as a kid. Many older teens invited me to listen in their caves. I liked it enough as a tween. I purchased both raggedy vinyl and CD as a twenty-something. It doesn't super-duper fulfill the theme of craziness, in my opinion.
The album is more of a "recapturing lightning in a bottle" with it being recorded 4 months after their first release, smacking of that commodification feel that pantsgoblin alluded to with the New York Dolls' first record last month.
Funny things I just read on Wikipedia:
"War Pigs" was originally titled "Walpurgis".
"Iron Man" was originally titled "Iron Bloke", which, I just - can't. That simply doesn't fit into the larger cultural context it became absorbed in, but, I'd still like to hear a demo, or even a re-recording, with those lyrics. Because, I'd go on the cray-zay train of laughter for that. Imagine if a band was trying that today and came up with "Iron Bro".
Rolling Stone puts this as Greatest Metal Album Ever? mMmm..dunno. You get steeped in metal long enough. Canon gets upended or replaced by some darker shadow unseen at first.
I like The Dickies' cover of the title track more than Sabbath's. Heresy, you say! Madness, you screech!
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Post by ganews on Oct 8, 2021 13:01:12 GMT -5
I had this on cassette as a kid, one of a large handful of classic album cassettes I bought mostly just because I was aware they were classics. And just the band name felt transgressive.
It's a good record that I haven't listened to in a long time. Pop music is based on repetition, right? This has a lot of repetition. The riffs are often repeated. It's very repetitive.
On the re-listen my favorite musician here is Bill Ward on drums. Ozzy's performance is good, but his lyrics are pretty weak (the "just like" construction comes in the second line of the album!).
I forgot how many of these tracks have different-tempo interludes, one of my favorite things in rock music. Best song? "Electric Funeral".
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Post by MyNameIsNoneOfYourGoddamnBusin on Oct 8, 2021 13:22:04 GMT -5
On the re-listen my favorite musician here is Bill Ward on drums. Ozzy's performance is good, but his lyrics are pretty weak (the "just like" construction comes in the second line of the album!). Ozzy probably didn't write the lyrics to War Pigs, or at least not the final version.* The lyrics were generally either written out by Geezer Butler or onstage improvisations by Ozzy that were tweaked over time (On this album "Fairies Wear Boots" is a pretty clear example of the latter). Oftentimes the prewritten lyrics were being read out by Ozzy for the first time, including the thrown together at the literal last minute song "Paranoid". There are even times where he's clearly mispronouncing a word and it's left in anyway--the best example is probably in "After Forever" off Masters of Reality where he uses the present tense "read" instead of the past tense even though it makes far less sense in context. There's an earlier version that was included on a greatest hits compilation that uses an earlier draft of the lyrics which were a bit darker and probably better. |
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Post by Some Kind of Munster on Oct 8, 2021 14:49:23 GMT -5
I had this on cassette as a kid, one of a large handful of classic album cassettes I bought mostly just because I was aware they were classics. And just the band name felt transgressive. It's a good record that I haven't listened to in a long time. Pop music is based on repetition, right? This has a lot of repetition. The riffs are often repeated. It's very repetitive. On the re-listen my favorite musician here is Bill Ward on drums. Ozzy's performance is good, but his lyrics are pretty weak (the "just like" construction comes in the second line of the album!). I forgot how many of these tracks have different-tempo interludes, one of my favorite things in rock music. Best song? "Electric Funeral". Agreed RE Bill Ward. I think the thing that a lot of Sabbath-aping bands (and believe me, I love Sabbath-aping bands) are missing is that sort of swinging, behind the beat sound Ward plays with. He hits hard as fuck but he's also got that little bit of strut and swagger in his playing and it makes all the difference in the world I've made this argument before but I think original-lineup Sabbath are probably the most perfect four-piece band in history – where all four parts are pulling their weight equally in perfect balance (Geezer being the primary lyricist in those days helps elevate his value above mere bass player) |
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Post by ganews on Oct 8, 2021 16:22:45 GMT -5
I've made this argument before but I think original-lineup Sabbath are probably the most perfect four-piece band in history – where all four parts are pulling their weight equally in perfect balance (Geezer being the primary lyricist in those days helps elevate his value above mere bass player) Which makes it all the weirder that one of the bonus disks on this reissue is instrumental versions of most of the songs. Which I actually listened to, because I was in the car, didn't want to fiddle with while driving, and was mildly curious. You know how long these song seem to stretch out with Ozzy singing? Real long. |
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Post by MyNameIsNoneOfYourGoddamnBusin on Oct 8, 2021 16:48:04 GMT -5
I had this on cassette as a kid, one of a large handful of classic album cassettes I bought mostly just because I was aware they were classics. And just the band name felt transgressive. It's a good record that I haven't listened to in a long time. Pop music is based on repetition, right? This has a lot of repetition. The riffs are often repeated. It's very repetitive. On the re-listen my favorite musician here is Bill Ward on drums. Ozzy's performance is good, but his lyrics are pretty weak (the "just like" construction comes in the second line of the album!). I forgot how many of these tracks have different-tempo interludes, one of my favorite things in rock music. Best song? "Electric Funeral". Agreed RE Bill Ward. I think the thing that a lot of Sabbath-aping bands (and believe me, I love Sabbath-aping bands) are missing is that sort of swinging, behind the beat sound Ward plays with. He hits hard as fuck but he's also got that little bit of strut and swagger in his playing and it makes all the difference in the world I've made this argument before but I think original-lineup Sabbath are probably the most perfect four-piece band in history – where all four parts are pulling their weight equally in perfect balance (Geezer being the primary lyricist in those days helps elevate his value above mere bass player) I saw Sabbath a couples times on their last farewell tour when they were using a different drummer and everything just sounded wrong. I'm not a huge drums guy, but the guy they had in place of Ward was just pounding every downbeat with none of the swing or groove you hear on the old albums. He was a talented guy and all, but a terrible fit for Black Sabbath. |
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Post by pantsgoblin on Oct 8, 2021 16:57:34 GMT -5
Rolling Stone puts this as Greatest Metal Album Ever? mMmm..dunno. You get steeped in metal long enough. Canon gets upended or replaced by some darker shadow unseen at first.
, you useless fishwrap-pushers. I'm not even a huge fan of the album but there's no '80s record with greater influence than it. |
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Post by repulsionist on Oct 10, 2021 15:45:05 GMT -5
Just paranoid ramblings on this planet caravan from an iron man sick of rat salad left by fairies with boots. You gotta believe me!
I feel that Diary of a Madman should have won by the sole criterion that it was the chosen-by-Ozzy-publicist option for the Funko Pop. Only the first Black Sabbath album has a Funko Pop. Clearly, the popular, more culturally fungible segment of perspective would side with Diary over Paranoid.
Now, the hand of doom sends me to my electric funeral.
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