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Post by DangOlJimmyITellYouWhat on Jun 20, 2022 19:50:24 GMT -5
I want to be perfectly clear: I have never, and will never, buy that Vader was "redeemed". Saving one person from getting fried by the Emperor does not come close to making up for the terrible shit he did over his lifetime. I'll allow that there may be "good in him" somewhere deep deep down, but uh. No. Potential to be good does not a redemption make.
Case in point: holy shit, seeing Anakin coming at the younglings utterly terrifying. I mean it's always been terrifying, but from Reva's PoV was just an extra punch of horrific. And her asking Obi-wan, "Why didn't you stop him?" was EXACTLY what I was looking for in this series. Yes girl, you slam that guilt button. I do love Obi-wan, but man. There are "parenting" fuck ups and then there is being oblivious enough to not see where Anakin was headed.
I don't know how much of a reveal it was (I mean I wasn't expecting it), but I did very much like that Reva has been after Vader all along, rather than just wanting to kill Obi-wan for not protecting them. That is some deep-seated, tightly-concealed burning vengeance festering for years, and I am all about that shit. Look I've got a lot of anger myself okay.
Yeah yeah Obi-Wan and Anakin sparring was great and it was very cool to see those two characters doing their thing again. And I personally am fine with the "clearly not 18" Anakin; if they'd de-aged Christensen too much, it would have looked wrong and fake, like it did with Leia at the end of Rogue One. It's also great that the flashbacks were actually Vader's flashbacks, and not just for the viewers.
De-aged Christensen was into the uncanny valley for me, he ended up looking like a totally different person. I agree about the guilt trip, that is the best part of the show. Unfortunately Disney felt like they had to shoehorn it into the wild adventures of an old man and a precocious child who are repeatedly caught and then pull off daring escapes*. Don't get me wrong, baby Leia does not grate on me as much as it does others, but this could have been an amazing show if it really just focused on Obi Wan and his struggle to come to terms with his failure. The best part of the prequels is the realization that Yoda and Obi Wan in addition to most of the Jedi are deeply flawed. That provides a lot of context to their actions in the original trilogy. This show should be giving us that arc for Obi Wan where he goes from reluctant to hopeful in advocating for Luke with Yoda. We have gotten bits of that, but in between too many daring escapes. *Seriously I think 4 out of 5 episodes have ended with someone with a red lightsaber watching their prey slip away yet again. That is just lazy writing. Yeah, the constant daring escapes just make the Imperials look really weak and disorganized. There are other ways to heighten tension.
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Post by nowimnothing on Jun 20, 2022 19:51:04 GMT -5
DID they de-age Christensen digitally? He looked basically 40 to me, maybe with some makeup magic. But I wasn't too focused on that. I have now read both claims that they did and they did not. If they did, it is suspected that it was minimal, perhaps in response to blowback on Luke. I guess I can see that, they are damned if they do and damned if they don't. I did find it distracting especially with his episode II braid. Of course a fan has already cleaned it up with a deepfake: Obviously a little rough, but not bad for one person with some spare time.
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Post by Celebith on Jun 21, 2022 0:14:44 GMT -5
Obi Wan isn't as good as I want it to be, but five episodes in, it's been decent, even if it feels kinda low-budget. A lot of the framing choices are ... not what I would have gone with, but they mostly work. Vader's development in the comics don't really redeem him, but do emphasize that he knows that he screwed everything up, that Palpatine doesn't respect him and he's just a tool waiting to be replaced. He's absolutely isolated from any sort of friendship, but unlike Palpatine, he's not comfortable with it. Angry and regretful, but not necessarily remorseful. The series works through the lens that Vader still loves Obi Wan in some way, and that going through the same pain and remorse might reconnect them. Obi could have taken Vader off of Mustafar at the end of Episode III and tried to rehab him, or at least put him out of his misery, and that failure gnaws at both of them. At least, it explains how Obi Wan keeps avoiding actual capture.
With the idea that each episode somewhat mirrors the same movie episode, I'm not excited about the ending, but we'll see how it goes.
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Post by nowimnothing on Jun 23, 2022 7:30:45 GMT -5
I liked the ending better than some of the other episodes. The Reva plot was dumb but the Obi Wan/Vader fight delivered on the visuals. It was essentially a chance to do ROTS over again with a bit less parkour and a bit more space for emotion and pathos and I think it largely worked. The old country review said it was originally pitched as a movie and I agree it would have been better with a tighter script and a bigger budget. There were just too many repeated plot points. I expect a fan edit could work wonders.
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Post by Ben Grimm on Jun 23, 2022 9:05:12 GMT -5
I enjoyed the ending ,and to be honest, the whole series. It wasn't an absolute masterpiece but it was probably as well done as a story that had to color within the lines to this extent could be.
I'm guessing Reva is going to turn up in the Mandalorian or Ahsoka or something else set in that general period. Maybe on Andor. The actress is 28 when Reva was supposed to be about 20 in Obi-Wan; she's the right age for the character in the Andor era so that might be it.
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Post by Prole Hole on Jun 24, 2022 6:03:48 GMT -5
Twas better than the Book of Boba Fett (see: Bar, low, subterranean) but it still felt like a mixed bag. Generally got better as it went on but still lacked the crucial ability to get us to actually care that much about the characters (beyond legacy investment), rather than just the plot/story. I'll do a proper write-up of it once I have my disparate thoughts scrambled together.
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Post by DangOlJimmyITellYouWhat on Jun 25, 2022 0:42:25 GMT -5
YOU FUCK THAT SHIT UP, BERU!! damn I really enjoyed her "yeah nah we're gonna shoot the hell outta anyone comes near our kid". *glee* And Edgerton was still just balls-to-the-wall Grumpy Owen Lars; it's great!
HELL YEAH Imperial March AT LAST!! And you can't argue with the timing.
I have to say, the mixture of Anakin's and Vader's voices was absolutely heartbreaking and chilling at the same time; it really, really worked, as did the red and blue lighting.
I'm so happy Obi-Wan moved out of the sadness cave.
I did do a very big squeak at Qui-Gon; I am not immune to Liam Neeson.
So yeah overall I'm very very happy with it; there are a handful of things I would change, mostly related to our aforementioned weird action choreography and the constant last-minute escapes (also the other Inquisitors were very meh), but mostly I'm good with the character examinations. You know me, that's my jam.
I may be in the minority, but I would absolutely LOVE a series above Reva attempting to make up for all the bad shit she's done. I am also a huge sucker for people actively working towards their redemption. Look I like damaged characters okay and I really love damaged characters trying to claw their way out of it.
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Post by DangOlJimmyITellYouWhat on Jun 25, 2022 1:28:36 GMT -5
I enjoyed the ending ,and to be honest, the whole series. It wasn't an absolute masterpiece but it was probably as well done as a story that had to color within the lines to this extent could be. I'm guessing Reva is going to turn up in the Mandalorian or Ahsoka or something else set in that general period. Maybe on Andor. The actress is 28 when Reva was supposed to be about 20 in Obi-Wan; she's the right age for the character in the Andor era so that might be it. I will lose my shit to an embarrassing degree if sheβs in Andor.
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Post by Prole Hole on Jun 26, 2022 4:41:44 GMT -5
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Post by Celebith on Jun 26, 2022 13:39:03 GMT -5
It's the TV equivalent of the Solo movie - coulda been better, but it had its moments. It wasn't as hamfisted about plot holes and references, which was nice. I half expected Kenobi to share some force memories of Padme with Leia in order to explain the Ep VI nonsense, but it's just as well that he didn't. The ' You didn't kill Anakin, I did' bit made sense, and the whole scene was well done. His redemption in Jedi is bullshit, but the whole ' trying to extinguish what's left of my good side' works. It's part of the problem with the whole Jedi 'one slip up and you're on the dark side' religious nonsense that kinda ruins their relationship with the force. When the safehouse manager / starship captain showed up, I thought ' Hey, that guy looks like Ice Cube', and it was nice that they created a bunch of new characters for this instead of just shoehorning in the same background rebels we've already seen. They could have gone with Paige Tico for the character Maya Erskine played, but they didn't. Episode VIII was a bit direct about the 'jettison the past' points, but IX shoulda doubled down on that. The universe is too big to have every important thing involve a Skywalker or Tatooine.
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Post by Celebith on Jun 26, 2022 13:47:28 GMT -5
Sorta responding to Prole's review - I didn't realize they mentioned Reva's last name anywhere. But thinking about it - if the Jedi take force sensitive kids basically from their cribs, and want them to completely break from their pre-Jedi lives, why not just totally rename them? Just on percentages, some of those kids or their parents are going to try to track down their family. Lots of Buddhist families (at least in Korea) take their kids to the temple and have a monk present them with an auspicious name, so why not have some Jedi mystics reach out through The Force to find a new name for the younglings? Give them some 'family' name based on their masters or something.
ETA: Obviously, Obi-Wan couldn't finish Vader off in any of their fights, which puts him on the hook for a lot of the terrible things Vader did. But maybe Palpatine would have just replaced him with someone easier to control and things would have ended up worse. Pretty sure Luke turning Vader at the end of Ep. VI is probably the best possible outcome, and it wouldn't have happened with some random inquisitor as the next Darth Contrivance.
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Post by chalkdevil π on Jun 29, 2022 16:16:45 GMT -5
This Obi-wan show is just another Disney+ show that should have just been a movie. So much wasted time. Did the pandemic do this? Is the constant need to keep new shit on Disney+ so people without kids don't just cancel? A combination of both? At least they capped this one at 6 episodes instead of dragging it out even more for 2 more episodes. I guess it would have been ridiculous for Obi-wan to sacrifice himself as a distraction while others escaped 5 times instead of just the 3 times. At least McGregor got to do some actual acting as Obi-wan this go around.
Having the series as a midquel(?) really kneecapped the narrative drive and then the choice to use Luke and Leia only cut that down further. No one was in danger. The only arch that could be established is that Obi-wan starts out sad and impotent at the start and then by the end he's no longer sad and is DTF -- Down To (use the) Force.
It was better than Boba Fett, which is totally pointless accept as a way of resetting The Mandalorian for the next season without using up their episode run. I don't have much hope for that next season either. I expect it will just be more lore shit with characters for the animated series I don't know and who the series itself fails to properly explain and motivate.
I'm starting to wonder, do I even like Star Wars or am I just a white dude in his 40s who has no interest in professional sports and needed something to decorate my basement with?
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Post by sarapen on Jun 29, 2022 16:24:11 GMT -5
It's the TV equivalent of the Solo movie - coulda been better, but it had its moments. It wasn't as hamfisted about plot holes and references, which was nice. I half expected Kenobi to share some force memories of Padme with Leia in order to explain the Ep VI nonsense, but it's just as well that he didn't. The ' You didn't kill Anakin, I did' bit made sense, and the whole scene was well done. His redemption in Jedi is bullshit, but the whole ' trying to extinguish what's left of my good side' works. It's part of the problem with the whole Jedi 'one slip up and you're on the dark side' religious nonsense that kinda ruins their relationship with the force. When the safehouse manager / starship captain showed up, I thought ' Hey, that guy looks like Ice Cube', and it was nice that they created a bunch of new characters for this instead of just shoehorning in the same background rebels we've already seen. They could have gone with Paige Tico for the character Maya Erskine played, but they didn't. Episode VIII was a bit direct about the 'jettison the past' points, but IX shoulda doubled down on that. The universe is too big to have every important thing involve a Skywalker or Tatooine. Obi-Wan specifically says in Episode I that Tattoine is a galactic shithole in the middle of nowhere and yet ridiculous amounts of events critical to galactic history happen in the Star Wars equivalent of Bumfuck, Idaho.
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Post by sarapen on Jun 29, 2022 16:29:04 GMT -5
This Obi-wan show is just another Disney+ show that should have just been a movie. So much wasted time. Did the pandemic do this? Is the constant need to keep new shit on Disney+ so people without kids don't just cancel? A combination of both? At least they capped this one at 6 episodes instead of dragging it out even more for 2 more episodes. I guess it would have been ridiculous for Obi-wan to sacrifice himself as a distraction while others escaped 5 times instead of just the 3 times. At least McGregor got to do some actual acting as Obi-wan this go around. Having the series as a midquel(?) really kneecapped the narrative drive and then the choice to use Luke and Leia only cut that down further. No one was in danger. The only arch that could be established is that Obi-wan starts out sad and impotent at the start and then by the end he's no longer sad and is DTF -- Down To (use the) Force. It was better than Boba Fett, which is totally pointless accept as a way of resetting The Mandalorian for the next season without using up their episode run. I don't have much hope for that next season either. I expect it will just be more lore shit with characters for the animated series I don't know and who the series itself fails to properly explain and motivate. I'm starting to wonder, do I even like Star Wars or am I just a white dude in his 40s who has no interest in professional sports and needed something to decorate my basement with? Yeah my expectations for Mandalorian season 3 have been greatly lowered thanks to this show and Boba Fett. Apparently that holster Leia got is the same one she has when she's older, which I only found out because, yes, some white guy in his 40s was squeeing about it on Twitter. We are really living in an age of just slop being fed straight into the maws of uncritical fans, aren't we?
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Post by Prole Hole on Jun 29, 2022 16:37:14 GMT -5
This Obi-wan show is just another Disney+ show that should have just been a movie. So much wasted time. Did the pandemic do this? Is the constant need to keep new shit on Disney+ so people without kids don't just cancel? A combination of both? At least they capped this one at 6 episodes instead of dragging it out even more for 2 more episodes. I guess it would have been ridiculous for Obi-wan to sacrifice himself as a distraction while others escaped 5 times instead of just the 3 times. At least McGregor got to do some actual acting as Obi-wan this go around. Having the series as a midquel(?) really kneecapped the narrative drive and then the choice to use Luke and Leia only cut that down further. No one was in danger. The only arch that could be established is that Obi-wan starts out sad and impotent at the start and then by the end he's no longer sad and is DTF -- Down To (use the) Force. It was better than Boba Fett, which is totally pointless accept as a way of resetting The Mandalorian for the next season without using up their episode run. I don't have much hope for that next season either. I expect it will just be more lore shit with characters for the animated series I don't know and who the series itself fails to properly explain and motivate. I'm starting to wonder, do I even like Star Wars or am I just a white dude in his 40s who has no interest in professional sports and needed something to decorate my basement with? Yeah my expectations for Mandalorian season 3 have been greatly lowered thanks to this show and Boba Fett. Apparently that holster Leia got is the same one she has when she's older, which I only found out because, yes, some white guy in his 40s was squeeing about it on Twitter. We are really living in an age of just slop being fed straight into the maws of uncritical fans, aren't we? Pretty much. I loathe those articles you get which are "124 easter eggs in episode/movie" all laid out with tedious precision and the episode/move not being judged good if there's only actually 122 of them. There's pandering and then there's pandering. Unsure if chalkdevil π is aware (so forgive me if you are) but this ended up being a TV series rather than a movie because Solo bombed at the box office and Disney got cold feet so cancelled the movie project and shuttled it off to TV land instead. Given there's enough plot here for about two hours instead of six, you can really tell.
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Post by nowimnothing on Jun 30, 2022 7:10:31 GMT -5
Yeah my expectations for Mandalorian season 3 have been greatly lowered thanks to this show and Boba Fett. Apparently that holster Leia got is the same one she has when she's older, which I only found out because, yes, some white guy in his 40s was squeeing about it on Twitter. We are really living in an age of just slop being fed straight into the maws of uncritical fans, aren't we? Pretty much. I loathe those articles you get which are "124 easter eggs in episode/movie" all laid out with tedious precision and the episode/move not being judged good if there's only actually 122 of them. There's pandering and then there's pandering. Unsure if chalkdevil π is aware (so forgive me if you are) but this ended up being a TV series rather than a movie because Solo bombed at the box office and Disney got cold feet so cancelled the movie project and shuttled it off to TV land instead. Given there's enough plot here for about two hours instead of six, you can really tell. Yes, but I also heard it was supposed to be a movie trilogy so it still would have been padded out to around 6 hours, albeit with a better budget.
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Post by Ben Grimm on Jun 30, 2022 7:39:03 GMT -5
Pretty much. I loathe those articles you get which are "124 easter eggs in episode/movie" all laid out with tedious precision and the episode/move not being judged good if there's only actually 122 of them. There's pandering and then there's pandering. Unsure if chalkdevil π is aware (so forgive me if you are) but this ended up being a TV series rather than a movie because Solo bombed at the box office and Disney got cold feet so cancelled the movie project and shuttled it off to TV land instead. Given there's enough plot here for about two hours instead of six, you can really tell. Yes, but I also heard it was supposed to be a movie trilogy so it still would have been padded out to around 6 hours, albeit with a better budget. Apparently the series was just the first movie in a trilogy, though, so we're back to two.
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Post by Prole Hole on Jun 30, 2022 7:43:09 GMT -5
Yes, but I also heard it was supposed to be a movie trilogy so it still would have been padded out to around 6 hours, albeit with a better budget. Apparently the series was just the first movie in a trilogy, though, so we're back to two. "it was going to be a trilogy" and "we had six hours of material ready for a trilogy and that's now all in the TV show" are not the same thing though. I mean, maybe they did, but the suggestion seems to be that Kenobi was the first movie stretched out, rather than the plot of all three movies squished into the series.
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Post by Ben Grimm on Jun 30, 2022 9:52:18 GMT -5
Apparently the series was just the first movie in a trilogy, though, so we're back to two. "it was going to be a trilogy" and "we had six hours of material ready for a trilogy and that's now all in the TV show" are not the same thing though. I mean, maybe they did, but the suggestion seems to be that Kenobi was the first movie stretched out, rather than the plot of all three movies squished into the series. Yes, that's pretty much exactly what I said.
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Post by Celebith on Jun 30, 2022 12:05:14 GMT -5
Pretty much. I loathe those articles you get which are "124 easter eggs in episode/movie" all laid out with tedious precision and the episode/move not being judged good if there's only actually 122 of them. There's pandering and then there's pandering. Unsure if chalkdevil π is aware (so forgive me if you are) but this ended up being a TV series rather than a movie because Solo bombed at the box office and Disney got cold feet so cancelled the movie project and shuttled it off to TV land instead. Given there's enough plot here for about two hours instead of six, you can really tell. Yes, but I also heard it was supposed to be a movie trilogy so it still would have been padded out to around 6 hours, albeit with a better budget. The episodes were 45 minutes or so, with credits and 'previously's, so we're only looking at 4 hours, maybe 3.5 That could easily trim down to one movie. Heck, cut out all the nonsense when they get to the first planet and just have Nala or whatever her name was meet them when they land, that's an easy half hour back.
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Post by Celebith on Jun 30, 2022 12:07:46 GMT -5
Yeah my expectations for Mandalorian season 3 have been greatly lowered thanks to this show and Boba Fett. Apparently that holster Leia got is the same one she has when she's older, which I only found out because, yes, some white guy in his 40s was squeeing about it on Twitter. We are really living in an age of just slop being fed straight into the maws of uncritical fans, aren't we? Pretty much. I loathe those articles you get which are "124 easter eggs in episode/movie" all laid out with tedious precision and the episode/move not being judged good if there's only actually 122 of them. There's pandering and then there's pandering. Unsure if chalkdevil π is aware (so forgive me if you are) but this ended up being a TV series rather than a movie because Solo bombed at the box office and Disney got cold feet so cancelled the movie project and shuttled it off to TV land instead. Given there's enough plot here for about two hours instead of six, you can really tell. I appreciate those when they translate all the aurabesh signs, or provide other details / connections. Some of the Westworld ones were good for translating stuff I was too lazy to look up, etc.
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Post by Nudeviking on Jul 4, 2022 3:30:00 GMT -5
Yes, but I also heard it was supposed to be a movie trilogy so it still would have been padded out to around 6 hours, albeit with a better budget. The episodes were 45 minutes or so, with credits and 'previously's, so we're only looking at 4 hours, maybe 3.5 That could easily trim down to one movie. Heck, cut out all the nonsense when they get to the first planet and just have Nala or whatever her name was meet them when they land, that's an easy half hour back. You want to cut out them driving around in a truck with Zach Braff: Space Nazi Sympathizing Moleman?! That was maybe the high point of the entire show.
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Post by Nudeviking on Jul 4, 2022 3:33:23 GMT -5
But how Rikered was Ol' Ben Kenobi?
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Post by Prole Hole on Jul 4, 2022 6:05:38 GMT -5
But how Rikered was Ol' Ben Kenobi? Given how badly the first fight between him and Vader went I'm guessing he was 8.9 out of 10 Rikers.
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Post by chalkdevil π on Jul 5, 2022 12:46:05 GMT -5
But how Rikered was Ol' Ben Kenobi? Given how badly the first fight between him and Vader went I'm guessing he was 8.9 out of 10 Rikers. Kenobi definitely should have finished off Vader in that last fight by throwing him into a glass coffee table then hitting him with a double axe handle.
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Post by Celebith on Jul 5, 2022 16:48:12 GMT -5
The episodes were 45 minutes or so, with credits and 'previously's, so we're only looking at 4 hours, maybe 3.5 That could easily trim down to one movie. Heck, cut out all the nonsense when they get to the first planet and just have Nala or whatever her name was meet them when they land, that's an easy half hour back. You want to cut out them driving around in a truck with Zach Braff: Space Nazi Sympathizing Moleman?! That was maybe the high point of the entire show. Give him (or someone like him) his own show. Make him super sympathetic at the start (if you see something, say something! if you just obey, the stormtroopers won't kill you!) but slowly do a Homelander sort of thing where they end up calling out the audience for being a bunch of bootlicking lackeys. (I haven't watched Da Boiz, but I follow all the media stuff about it)
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Post by Celebith on Jul 5, 2022 16:49:38 GMT -5
But how Rikered was Ol' Ben Kenobi? Now I just want a supercut of Kenobi throwing his leg over the back of a chair in order to sit.
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Post by nowimnothing on Jul 9, 2022 16:15:45 GMT -5
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Post by Nudeviking on Jul 14, 2022 19:32:31 GMT -5
I finally got around to watching the last episode of Ol' Ben's Big-Ass Extreme Star Wars Bash and I think I'm done with Star Wars for the foreseeable future. I don't know why but this show as a whole and the last episode in particular made me angrier about Star Wars than any other Star Wars property I've seen. The fact that half the episode had Owen, a cat who at best had been a bit player, turn into a shotgun wielding bad-ass who held his own against that Reva lady who up to that point had been wreckin' shop on everyone. None of it felt earned. Like he literally hadn't been in the show since what? Episode 2? If you want him to feature in the climax of the series maybe have him show up in a few scenes prior to the big climax.
This also goes with little Luke, someone who hadn't really shown up at all save for through binoculars with a dumb helmet on his head. I literally didn't know that kid was supposed to be Luke when he showed up to run away horror movie style from a lightsaber wielding fiend. Would it have been so hard to have put a scene or two of him complaining to Owen about wanting to shoot wamprats instead of dusting off power converters or some shit just to show the audience "This kid here is Luke...he is part of the show too and will probably be important later?"
Also I got angry that they felt it necessary to revisit Obi Wan calling Darth Vader "Darth" like he did in A New Hope that one time in what was clearly just a remnant of George Lucas not actually having everything completely plotted out. Before seeing that episode it was just a thing like Luke and Leia being horny for each other that I could write off as "Well, they didn't have all the minor details worked out yet so Darth could have just been his given name rather than a title," but no, now it's a "thing" that has "meaning" like "Solo" being "alone," and it's dumb and I hate it.
Fuck Star Wars.
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Post by Celebith on Jul 18, 2022 8:47:41 GMT -5
I finally got around to watching the last episode of Ol' Ben's Big-Ass Extreme Star Wars Bash and I think I'm done with Star Wars for the foreseeable future. I don't know why but this show as a whole and the last episode in particular made me angrier about Star Wars than any other Star Wars property I've seen. The fact that half the episode had Owen, a cat who at best had been a bit player, turn into a shotgun wielding bad-ass who held his own against that Reva lady who up to that point had been wreckin' shop on everyone. None of it felt earned. Like he literally hadn't been in the show since what? Episode 2? If you want him to feature in the climax of the series maybe have him show up in a few scenes prior to the big climax. This also goes with little Luke, someone who hadn't really shown up at all save for through binoculars with a dumb helmet on his head. I literally didn't know that kid was supposed to be Luke when he showed up to run away horror movie style from a lightsaber wielding fiend. Would it have been so hard to have put a scene or two of him complaining to Owen about wanting to shoot wamprats instead of dusting off power converters or some shit just to show the audience "This kid here is Luke...he is part of the show too and will probably be important later?" Also I got angry that they felt it necessary to revisit Obi Wan calling Darth Vader "Darth" like he did in A New Hope that one time in what was clearly just a remnant of George Lucas not actually having everything completely plotted out. Before seeing that episode it was just a thing like Luke and Leia being horny for each other that I could write off as "Well, they didn't have all the minor details worked out yet so Darth could have just been his given name rather than a title," but no, now it's a "thing" that has "meaning" like "Solo" being "alone," and it's dumb and I hate it. Fuck Star Wars. Reva was pretty fucked up already though, like Kylo at the end of Ep. 7, both of them staggering around barely holding their guts in. And Owen wrecks his leg falling off that walkway, apparently. It was still a pretty stupid sequence, though. They coulda gotten similar closure for her by just having her ambush Kenobi at the starport and then stand down and talk about how she can't go on like she is or some other stupid thing. It seemed pretty obvious that that kid was Luke, sins the Larsses don't seem to have had any kids of their own. Even 'Darth' didn't bug me too much, if you think of it as more of an epithet. Like Obi is just disgusted with not only his former friend, but with the fact that he literally isn't the same person, or even his own person, anymore. He doesn't deserve a name. He's just the Emperor's lackey, like 'Maul' and 'Tyranus' and all the other disposable Darths that came before him, and will come after him. I figure if Episode 9* didn't kill SW for me, nothing will. Some Starwarses will be better than others, I guess.
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