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Post by Floyd D Barber on Apr 16, 2024 12:40:16 GMT -5
I started out to post a random music thought about the album "Tommy" which got me thinking about what an insane mess the movie version was. I mean, 1975, Ken Russel, Keith Moon, Oliver Reed, Jack Nicholson, The Who, and all the drugs in Great Britain. What could you expect? I got to wondering what it might have been like if a different director had made it, if you could take them from any point in their career and drop them there. Imagining different directors might have done with it. David Lynch did a fantastic job with The Elephant Man, Terry Gilliam is a genius, and was friends with The Who. I finally decided that something I would have loved to see would have been the take John Waters from the era of Cry Baby and Hairspray, when he moved past pure shock and started showing more heart and empathy in his movies, might have had.
So, as a thought experiment, Col. Mustard, with a lead pipe, in the conservatory, pick a movie, pick a director, and if you want to, pick a different star, and tell us what you think a really interesting movie might be. I have a couple: Sam Peckinpah's Romeo and Juliet Charlie Kaufman directing the Marx Bros in....well, anything
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Post by pantsgoblin on Apr 16, 2024 13:22:36 GMT -5
I started out to post a random music thought about the album "Tommy" which got me thinking about what an insane mess the movie version was. I mean, 1975, Ken Russel, Keith Moon, Oliver Reed, Jack Nicholson, The Who, and all the drugs in Great Britain. What could you expect? I got to wondering what it might have been like if a different director had made it, if you could take them from any point in their career and drop them there. Imagining different directors might have done with it. David Lynch did a fantastic job with The Elephant Man, Terry Gilliam is a genius, and was friends with The Who. I finally decided that something I would have loved to see would have been the take John Waters from the era of Cry Baby and Hairspray, when he moved past pure shock and started showing more heart and empathy in his movies, might have had. So, as a thought experiment, Col. Mustard, with a lead pipe, in the conservatory, pick a movie, pick a director, and if you want to, pick a different star, and tell us what you think a really interesting movie might be. I have a couple: Sam Peckinpah's Romeo and Juliet Charlie Kaufman directing the Marx Bros in....well, anything Oliver Reed was my favorite part of Tommy, ergo they should have just stuck with good ol' alcohol.
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Post by Dellarigg on Apr 16, 2024 13:49:36 GMT -5
Taxi Driver, directed by Werner Herzog and starring Klaus Kinski as Travis Bickle. I don’t necessarily think this would eclipse the film we have now, but it would be something to see.
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Post by MrsLangdonAlger on Apr 16, 2024 14:12:07 GMT -5
Continuing with Herzog, a documentary about Terry Pratchett done by Herzog with interviews of all the people who knew/loved Sir Terry best, and a focus on his activism around the right to die.
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Post by Dellarigg on Apr 16, 2024 16:21:15 GMT -5
Continuing with Herzog, a documentary about Terry Pratchett done by Herzog with interviews of all the people who knew/loved Sir Terry best, and a focus on his activism around the right to die. I love Herzog, but what would happen here is that one of the interviewees would reveal they were interested in tiny snakes or Russian icicles or whatever, and we’d get a 20 minute tangent on that. I’m not saying that would be a bad thing, of course.
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Post by Floyd D Barber on Apr 16, 2024 16:41:53 GMT -5
Taxi Driver, directed by Werner Herzog and starring Klaus Kinski as Travis Bickle. I don’t necessarily think this would eclipse the film we have now, but it would be something to see. I like that idea. I had thought about what Taxi Driver might be like if directed by Terry Gilliam.
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Post by Floyd D Barber on Apr 16, 2024 16:51:20 GMT -5
Continuing with Herzog, a documentary about Terry Pratchett done by Herzog with interviews of all the people who knew/loved Sir Terry best, and a focus on his activism around the right to die. I need to read more Pratchett, I am sadly lacking in that, but I would watch the shit out of a Herzog doc about him.
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Post by pantsgoblin on Apr 16, 2024 22:46:03 GMT -5
Apparently Jack Nicholson and Dustin Hoffman tried for years at an adaptation of Richard Brautigan's The Hawkline Monster and eventually gave up because of their age, though Yorgos Lanthimos might be doing something with it. That's my dream movie. Sorry, I'm not very imaginative.
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Post by Jean Luc de Lemur on Apr 17, 2024 1:19:06 GMT -5
Speaking of Gilliam, I’ve soured a lot on Brazil over the last decade, mainly around Jonathan Pryce’s Sam. In the 1980s there was a director working who had a much sharper eye for all sorts of toxic male bullshit, though, and he’d even directed an idiosyncratic dystopian film, albeit a very different, pastoral one. In other words, I want John Boorman’s Brazil.
I don’t think he’d necessarily be a good replacement for Pryce (too good looking) but I think of Gabriel Byrne’s performance as Uther Pendragon in Boorman’s Excalibur. Byrne had an energy—and sense of threat—that the rest of the film, as much as I respect Excalibur for existing at all, couldn’t quite live up to. Boorman and Byrne’s Uther is ambitious, past amorality and into immorality, a man of power whose big dream (having sex with Igrayne) does come true. Sam only has heroic flights of fancy, and while his fantasies are more straightforward good guy fantasies from what I remember they are still ones where he is in a clear position of power over a woman. Although it’s been a while, I remember thinking that maybe Sam’s ego-sex-power-control fantasy manifested pretty darkly: Sam ends up exhibiting some fairly threatening behavior. It’s a great performance by Pryce, but I don’t think Gilliam’s direction is emotionally aware enough to really explore that.
Boorman, though, I think could get there—Excalibur is very much about the intersection of desire, political power, and narrative, and you see themes from Brazil elsewhere in his work: the dark uses of chummy male cameraderie (Deliverance), deception and political opportunism (The Tailor of Panama), the disruption of human nature (Zardoz), ambiguous reality and antiheroics (Point Blank).
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