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Post by LazBro on Aug 2, 2016 8:12:20 GMT -5
Oh shit, oh shit, oh shit! I've been waiting for this one! Okay, reading now...
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Post by pairesta on Aug 2, 2016 8:15:06 GMT -5
"Dining at Flora Street is an odd experience, and not just because the kitchen is so daring. The starters feature playful, even fun dishes. Then the main courses arrive, dull and ordinary, with the kitchen’s endless array of techniques no longer apparent." This was my exact problem with Stephan Pyles restaurant, too. Great apps (those ceviches!) but the mains seemed like they were being bussed in from some other restaurant. And, looks like he's doubled down on the menu expense as well. How was the wine list?
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Post by pairesta on Aug 2, 2016 8:18:33 GMT -5
I'm truthfully in awe of your ability to describe the dining experience. It takes real skill to articulate just why something works or doesn't work for you, and not everyone has that skill. Also, "artisan" versions of poor people food make me want to smash stuff. This same chef had a place that served Spanish, Moroccan, and Indian food. Not fusion food, just authentic versions of each cuisine, each getting their own page in the menu. I had some of the best, most incendiary, lamb curry I've ever had there, but at the end of it all I was wondering what the hell the point was. Pyles is credited as one of the four chefs that created "Southwestern Food" in the 1980s, and of the three that I know of, he seems to most often run from it, wanting to do anything but that, and pursue his own whims. He seems to be having kind of a late career crisis since he's turned over, closed, or transformed almost all of his restaurants in the past five years.
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Post by LazBro on Aug 2, 2016 8:35:22 GMT -5
I'm truthfully in awe of your ability to describe the dining experience. It takes real skill to articulate just why something works or doesn't work for you, and not everyone has that skill. Also, "artisan" versions of poor people food make me want to smash stuff. This same chef had a place that served Spanish, Moroccan, and Indian food. Not fusion food, just authentic versions of each cuisine, each getting their own page in the menu. I had some of the best, most incendiary, lamb curry I've ever had there, but at the end of it all I was wondering what the hell the point was. Pyles is credited as one of the four chefs that created "Southwestern Food" in the 1980s, and of the three that I know of, he seems to most often run from it, wanting to do anything but that, and pursue his own whims. He seems to be having kind of a late career crisis since he's turned over, closed, or transformed almost all of his restaurants in the past five years. I really liked and miss Samar. Much more memorable than Pyles' namesake, and more affordable too. Rathbun is also having a bit of a meltdown, it would seem. At least Fearing hasn't gone crazy (yet), but then he was always the most boring of them.
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Post by LazBro on Aug 2, 2016 8:39:01 GMT -5
"Dazzling technique, but they could have just served an open saltshaker with a spoon." Oof. This is a really great review. And not just because it's mean and therefore fun to read. I mean, it IS those things, but more important is that it's both fair and hopeful, even if disappointed. It holds a restaurant with the gall to charge $65 for, well, anything to task for not delivering something magnificent at that price.
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Post by pairesta on Aug 2, 2016 8:42:31 GMT -5
Rathbun is also having a bit of a meltdown, it would seem. At least Fearing hasn't gone crazy (yet), but then he was always the most boring of them Yeah, WTF with Rathbun? That's an epic lawsuit coming. I have never had a drop of interest in eating Fearing's food, but he knows where his bread is buttered and just sticks to it. "Yep, tortilla soup? Got it. Lobster tamales? It's there. Lemme put on my cowboy boots, walk around the dining room and smile, and cash that check." Ditto his Houston counterpart, Robert Del Grande.
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Post by Ron Howard Voice on Aug 2, 2016 9:25:11 GMT -5
I'm truthfully in awe of your ability to describe the dining experience. It takes real skill to articulate just why something works or doesn't work for you, and not everyone has that skill. Also, "artisan" versions of poor people food make me want to smash stuff. This is such a kind post, thank you. Let's go smash up a $6-per-taco taco stand together.
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Post by Ron Howard Voice on Aug 2, 2016 9:31:53 GMT -5
"Dining at Flora Street is an odd experience, and not just because the kitchen is so daring. The starters feature playful, even fun dishes. Then the main courses arrive, dull and ordinary, with the kitchen’s endless array of techniques no longer apparent." This was my exact problem with Stephan Pyles restaurant, too. Great apps (those ceviches!) but the mains seemed like they were being bussed in from some other restaurant. And, looks like he's doubled down on the menu expense as well. How was the wine list? Thanks for this. (And thanks LazBro ) I felt much more confident going forward with this based on your comments about Stephan Pyles (the namesake restaurant, not the dude personally) and another food-crazy friend who said that his January visit to Stephan Pyles was the worst meal he's had in 2016 (the phrase "bored to tears" was used). The wine list is preposterously huge, basically unmanageable, but the somm knows them all so well she can ask what food you got, ask the table if you have any faves/aversions, and quickly rattle off the 4-5 things she'd recommend. Also there's a concise page listing just her favorites and that really should suffice just about anybody. We got some good $40-50 wines even though she tried steering us to the $150 ones. Not sure what's going on in Rathbunland or what the big spat with his co-partners was, but I do understand him suing. It's weird not to have the copyright to your own freaking name, and have other people run a restaurant with your name on it. Have not yet been to a Fearing place. Maybe I'm oversimplifying, but is the Pyles "Southwestern cuisine" invented in the '80s basically just good Mex-Mex with steaks? Pyles & Co. might be feeling pressure to play catch-up now that a younger generation has sped past them.
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Post by LazBro on Aug 2, 2016 9:44:28 GMT -5
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Post by pairesta on Aug 2, 2016 9:49:10 GMT -5
Thanks for this. (And thanks LazBro ) I felt much more confident going forward with this based on your comments about Stephan Pyles (the namesake restaurant, not the dude personally) and another food-crazy friend who said that his January visit to Stephan Pyles was the worst meal he's had in 2016 (the phrase "bored to tears" was used). I think the review is totally on point, regardless of my previous experiences. You laid out exactly what problems you had with what dishes and the service; you clearly know what you were talking about. I certainly don't envy you though going up against a titan in the industry, but you also made clear you admire and respect the man, even though there are definite problems. I love our Houston Chronicle critic, because she does a similar thing. She doesn't relish giving bad reviews or just trash a place. She's always very pointed in how something could be better. She encourages the dining scene and the chefs rather than hold it at arms' length. Maybe I'm oversimplifying, but is the Pyles "Southwestern cuisine" invented in the '80s basically just good Mex-Mex with steaks? Pyles & Co. might be feeling pressure to play catch-up now that a younger generation has sped past them. Pretty close, but I'd say it was more the cuisine of New Mexico than Tex Mex. But yeah, definitely "something with steak!" It's one of those things that got aped so much so quickly that it's hard to look back at it as ever being anything new. But the four chefs that are credited with it (Pyles, Fearing, Del Grande, and Anne Lindsay Greer) fused noveau cuisine with the more rustic styles of cooking in the southwest. Basically the big contribution was bringing in the chile, either fresh or dried, and adding it to more refined dishes.
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Post by Ron Howard Voice on Aug 4, 2016 15:18:22 GMT -5
So I got invited to be a judge for Chefs for Farmers Street Food Fest. How is this happening and when do I wake up from this and find out the last 6 months were all a badass dream?
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Post by The Stuffingtacular She-Hulk on Aug 4, 2016 16:04:31 GMT -5
So I got invited to be a judge for Chefs for Farmers Street Food Fest. How is this happening and when do I wake up from this and find out the last 6 months were all a badass dream? I don't know, but in your will, could you specify that I take over your career if you were to somehow die suddenly and unexpectedly, like being smashed?
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Post by GumTurkeyles on Aug 9, 2016 9:16:27 GMT -5
So I got invited to be a judge for Chefs for Farmers Street Food Fest. How is this happening and when do I wake up from this and find out the last 6 months were all a badass dream? If you can, try using the name of the food to describe the food. e.g. This bread is a little too bready. The meat was a bit meaty. This entire meal was too mealy.
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Post by LazBro on Aug 9, 2016 11:03:23 GMT -5
Really awesome restaurant + craft beer bar The Common Table is opening a 2nd location literally across the street from my new office in Frisco. Oof, the temptation to step in and get a rare, off-the-beaten-path beer at lunchtime is going to be rough.
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Post by pairesta on Aug 9, 2016 11:07:20 GMT -5
Really awesome restaurant + craft beer bar The Common Table is opening a 2nd location literally across the street from my new office in Frisco. Oof, the temptation to step in and get a rare, off-the-beaten-path beer at lunchtime is going to be rough. We used to eat lunch at Holy Grail all the time when I worked out of the office in Frisco. It physically hurt to go there and not order a beer.
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Post by LazBro on Aug 9, 2016 11:20:36 GMT -5
Really awesome restaurant + craft beer bar The Common Table is opening a 2nd location literally across the street from my new office in Frisco. Oof, the temptation to step in and get a rare, off-the-beaten-path beer at lunchtime is going to be rough. We used to eat lunch at Holy Grail all the time when I worked out of the office in Frisco. It physically hurt to go there and not order a beer. Oh man! I actually won't be far from the Grail either. I fudged a little above in that the The Common Table will be across the street from my new office after we move in October. We're moving to Hall Office Park, which is at 121 and the Tollway, maybe 5 minutes from the Grail. It's right next to the new Cowboys training facility, The Star, which is where The Common Table will be, along with a new Neighborhood Services, a Dee Lincoln place, a Liberty Burger and a gastropub out of Chicago Minneapolis called City Works which also boasts 100+ beers. Too bad I work for a Mormon company and have zero chance of getting approval on beer lunches, even if only once a week/month/year.
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Post by pairesta on Aug 9, 2016 11:22:47 GMT -5
We used to eat lunch at Holy Grail all the time when I worked out of the office in Frisco. It physically hurt to go there and not order a beer. Oh man! I actually won't be far from the Grail either. I fudged a little above in that the The Common Table will be across the street from my new office after we move in October. We're moving to Hall Office Park, which is at 121 and the Tollway, maybe 5 minutes from the Grail. It's right next to the new Cowboys training facility, The Star, which is where The Common Table will be, along with a new Neighborhood Services, a Dee Lincoln place, a Liberty Burger and a gastropub out of Chicago called City Works which also boasts 100+ beers. Too bad I work for a Mormon company and have zero chance of getting approval on beer lunches, even if only once a week/month/year. Um, that's exactly where I used to work. Are you going into that new building that went up there? You're also getting a Whole Foods up in that area sometime next year. Godammit.
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Post by LazBro on Aug 9, 2016 11:26:03 GMT -5
Oh man! I actually won't be far from the Grail either. I fudged a little above in that the The Common Table will be across the street from my new office after we move in October. We're moving to Hall Office Park, which is at 121 and the Tollway, maybe 5 minutes from the Grail. It's right next to the new Cowboys training facility, The Star, which is where The Common Table will be, along with a new Neighborhood Services, a Dee Lincoln place, a Liberty Burger and a gastropub out of Chicago called City Works which also boasts 100+ beers. Too bad I work for a Mormon company and have zero chance of getting approval on beer lunches, even if only once a week/month/year. Um, that's exactly where I used to work. Are you going into that new building that went up there? You're also getting a Whole Foods up in that area sometime next year. Godammit. Yep, the new building. Oh man! Weird!
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Post by pairesta on Aug 9, 2016 11:34:57 GMT -5
Um, that's exactly where I used to work. Are you going into that new building that went up there? You're also getting a Whole Foods up in that area sometime next year. Godammit. Yep, the new building. Oh man! Weird! Is it? We've established the eerie parellels our lives have had before. Isn't that a haul for you though? Aren't you much further east? It's not a bad location, really, though that practice facility is probably gonna play hell with traffic. But if I needed the break I could always run over to the mall and hit Barnes & Noble just over lunch. Also Willowbend is surprisingly not a far run either. The only reason I mention that is because Kor-B-Q is right there if you're craving Korean tacos. There's also Platia and Fadi's right there too.
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Post by LazBro on Aug 9, 2016 12:33:29 GMT -5
Is it? We've established the eerie parellels our lives have had before. Isn't that a haul for you though? Aren't you much further east? It's not a bad location, really, though that practice facility is probably gonna play hell with traffic. But if I needed the break I could always run over to the mall and hit Barnes & Noble just over lunch. Also Willowbend is surprisingly not a far run either. The only reason I mention that is because Kor-B-Q is right there if you're craving Korean tacos. There's also Platia and Fadi's right there too. Yeah, I'm out in Wylie. It's a haul, but it will actually be better after the move. Right now my office is even further west in Frisco on Main. Barring an absolute traffic calamity, this will be an upgrade in every way. Mmmmm, Platia is great, if pricey (but aren't all Greek joints? Have you noticed that?). Our COO is Greek, so she loves that place.
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Post by pairesta on Aug 9, 2016 12:41:48 GMT -5
Is it? We've established the eerie parellels our lives have had before. Isn't that a haul for you though? Aren't you much further east? It's not a bad location, really, though that practice facility is probably gonna play hell with traffic. But if I needed the break I could always run over to the mall and hit Barnes & Noble just over lunch. Also Willowbend is surprisingly not a far run either. The only reason I mention that is because Kor-B-Q is right there if you're craving Korean tacos. There's also Platia and Fadi's right there too. Yeah, I'm out in Wylie. It's a haul, but it will actually be better after the move. Right now my office is even further west in Frisco on Main. Barring an absolute traffic calamity, this will be an upgrade in every way. Mmmmm, Platia is great, if pricey (but aren't all Greek joints? Have you noticed that?). Our COO is Greek, so she loves that place. Yeah, somewhere along the line Greek food really jumped in price; I remember Zorba's used to be a good "cheap eats" kinda place and then every entree went up like $5, and then shrunk the portion size. But if you just get the usual gyro sandwich it's not bad.
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Post by Ron Howard Voice on Aug 11, 2016 11:12:44 GMT -5
Is it? We've established the eerie parellels our lives have had before. Isn't that a haul for you though? Aren't you much further east? It's not a bad location, really, though that practice facility is probably gonna play hell with traffic. But if I needed the break I could always run over to the mall and hit Barnes & Noble just over lunch. Also Willowbend is surprisingly not a far run either. The only reason I mention that is because Kor-B-Q is right there if you're craving Korean tacos. There's also Platia and Fadi's right there too. (but aren't all Greek joints? Have you noticed that?). www.facebook.com/TheHouseofGyros/
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Post by Ron Howard Voice on Aug 12, 2016 14:33:39 GMT -5
Plano Legacy is getting a Dean & Deluca. I've never been in one, but apparently it's cool?
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Post by pairesta on Aug 12, 2016 15:37:40 GMT -5
Plano Legacy is getting a Dean & Deluca. I've never been in one, but apparently it's cool? ELEVEN YEARS I LIVED THERE AND THE MINUTE I MOVE THEY PULL THIS SHIT
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Post by LazBro on Aug 15, 2016 9:52:45 GMT -5
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Post by GumTurkeyles on Aug 15, 2016 10:32:30 GMT -5
As they mention, there are multiple ways to look at the situation. Sure, there's the nostalgia factor that food used to cost X, so it still should. And yes, you can say that rent, wages, etc drive the price. However, a lot of ethnic food (in my case, I'll talk about Salvadoran and Dominican food, since those are my culture) is (or was) priced cheap because the time and cost of making these dishes was low. Not to say they're not good, and not to say that it doesn't take skill, but places used to be able to sell pupusas (filled tortilla) for $1 and make a profit. Once I start seeing pupusas start trending, and the price trending along with them, I will gladly take to the streets (or internets) with my pitchfork in hand.
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Post by Ron Howard Voice on Aug 15, 2016 14:31:55 GMT -5
As they mention, there are multiple ways to look at the situation. Sure, there's the nostalgia factor that food used to cost X, so it still should. And yes, you can say that rent, wages, etc drive the price. However, a lot of ethnic food (in my case, I'll talk about Salvadoran and Dominican food, since those are my culture) is (or was) priced cheap because the time and cost of making these dishes was low. Not to say they're not good, and not to say that it doesn't take skill, but places used to be able to sell pupusas (filled tortilla) for $1 and make a profit. Once I start seeing pupusas start trending, and the price trending along with them, I will gladly take to the streets (or internets) with my pitchfork in hand. Yeah, there's a commenter also saying that he thinks being discovered by hungry white people is enough to send the prices up. I guess it's good ol' supply and demand. I have noticed it seems like I have to drive 10 miles to get pupusas cuz in the middle of town, the rent is too high for pupuserias. The other day doing grocery shopping I searched for tortillerias and got absolutely no results. My girlfriend lives in another part of town and you can barely throw a jicama without hitting a tortilla factory.
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Post by Ron Howard Voice on Aug 19, 2016 12:10:44 GMT -5
Somebody walked into Knife last night, complained that the cocktails were too small, then complained that the raw oysters were too small, and said, "I'm the Dallas Observer food critic. These oysters are too small. I'm leaving now so I don't have to give you a bad review" and stormed out of the restaurant.
Tesar contacted us. I told my editor I was at a different place, furnished a receipt to prove it, and we got a little more info from him. We asked him to check if the anon guy paid or ditched, and if he paid, did he use a credit card with a name. No word back yet.
So crazy. People are crazy.
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Post by GumTurkeyles on Aug 19, 2016 12:14:07 GMT -5
Somebody walked into Knife last night, complained that the cocktails were too small, then complained that the raw oysters were too small, and said, "I'm the Dallas Observer food critic. These oysters are too small. I'm leaving now so I don't have to give you a bad review" and stormed out of the restaurant. Tesar contacted us. I told my editor I was at a different place, furnished a receipt to prove it, and we got a little more info from him. We asked him to check if the anon guy paid or ditched, and if he paid, did he use a credit card with a name. No word back yet. So crazy. People are crazy. Did he look like the man on the left?
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Post by pairesta on Aug 19, 2016 12:19:00 GMT -5
Somebody walked into Knife last night, complained that the cocktails were too small, then complained that the raw oysters were too small, and said, "I'm the Dallas Observer food critic. These oysters are too small. I'm leaving now so I don't have to give you a bad review" and stormed out of the restaurant. Tesar contacted us. I told my editor I was at a different place, furnished a receipt to prove it, and we got a little more info from him. We asked him to check if the anon guy paid or ditched, and if he paid, did he use a credit card with a name. No word back yet. So crazy. People are crazy. Do you have a review stalker yet? Somebody who trolls every one of your articles?
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