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Post by ganews on Jul 7, 2023 11:58:43 GMT -5
I was hoping the trend of ""woke"" (by which I mean gender-, race-, etc.-flipped) reboots of old IP had burned out, but apparently once you've reached the bottom of the barrel there's nowhere left to go but through the oak floor, hurtling towards the Earth's molten core, in a beeline towards sweet flaming oblivion: Kathy Bates is Matlock!That's good casting actually. But more importantly, who is the audience for this? The famous core audience for the original are mostly dead and the survivors are probably extremely against gender-flipped casting. |
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Post by Jean-Luc Lemur on Jul 7, 2023 14:29:58 GMT -5
ganews it doesn’t matter that the demographic is dead, it’s that the name Matlock is recognizable so they supposedly don’t have to put the work into building a brand. It’s still weird because it’s a show boomers think is for old people, and they’re extremely aging-resistant.I know my dad has childhood nostalgia for Perry Mason, maybe there’s some nostalgia among people who watched Matlock with their parents? Perry Mason actually made sense as a revival—it’s just barely in public memory so people will recognize the name without having any real association with it and that was even the case in the 60s. The original books that sparked the series, afaik, we basically never actually adapted so there was something of quality left unturned there.
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Post by Roy Batty's Pet Dove on Jul 7, 2023 14:56:21 GMT -5
Aren’t there classical era Smipsmops jokes about Grandfather Smipsmop and the other retirement home residents being obsessed with Matlock? And that was in the 1990s.
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Post by Roy Batty's Pet Dove on Jul 7, 2023 15:00:56 GMT -5
ganews it doesn’t matter that the demographic is dead, it’s that the name Matlock is recognizable so they supposedly don’t have to put the work into building a brand. It’s still weird because it’s a show boomers think is for old people, and they’re extremely aging-resistant.I know my dad has childhood nostalgia for Perry Mason, maybe there’s some nostalgia among people who watched Matlock with their parents? Perry Mason actually made sense as a revival—it’s just barely in public memory so people will recognize the name without having any real association with it and that was even the case in the 60s. The original books that sparked the series, afaik, we basically never actually adapted so there was something of quality left unturned there. I exclusively associate Perry Mason with the popular Ozzy Osbourne song of the same name, specifically with Geezer Butler’s very good bass riff on said song. |
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Post by repulsionist on Jul 9, 2023 17:50:01 GMT -5
Taskmaster (S14:E1)
Some laughs. Some fun tasks. It passes the time.
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Post by Mrs David Tennant on Jul 9, 2023 19:42:12 GMT -5
I finished Ted Lasso last night. And now I'm going to watch it again.
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Post by ABz B👹anaz on Jul 9, 2023 22:37:05 GMT -5
I started watching The Leftovers at a friend's suggestion. Very heavy, bizarre show. Six episodes into the first season.
I recognized Marceline Hugot, who played Kathy Geiss on 30 Rock, immediately in this. But somehow never realized it was her playing Anita in Ozark a year ago!
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Post by Rainbow Rosa on Jul 10, 2023 11:34:07 GMT -5
ganews it doesn’t matter that the demographic is dead, it’s that the name Matlock is recognizable so they supposedly don’t have to put the work into building a brand. It’s still weird because it’s a show boomers think is for old people, and they’re extremely aging-resistant.I know my dad has childhood nostalgia for Perry Mason, maybe there’s some nostalgia among people who watched Matlock with their parents? I don't really know that they need the IP boost over at CBS. Nu-Matlock looks almost identical to So Help Me Todd, a show with 1.5 "name" actors in it (and that's being very generous to Skylar Astin) and that show had (spits drinks out) five million viewers a week? (Twice as many as Succession lol. LET THE THINKPIECES COMMENCE!)
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Post by Jean-Luc Lemur on Jul 10, 2023 13:11:04 GMT -5
Rainbow Rosa anything extra to squeeze out I never watched Succession, everything around it seemed very annoying and I don’t think I missed out on much. I’m debating whether that’s the case with The White Lotus—I’m very fond of Enlightened but have heard ridiculously polarized views on the show from people I know. I’ve seen one scene and was not impressed at all, but again that’s completely out of context.
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Post by MrsLangdonAlger on Jul 10, 2023 13:31:00 GMT -5
I started watching The Leftovers at a friend's suggestion. Very heavy, bizarre show. Six episodes into the first season. I recognized Marceline Hugot, who played Kathy Geiss on 30 Rock, immediately in this. But somehow never realized it was her playing Anita in Ozark a year ago! One of my favorite shows of all time. It only gets weirder but also more human, empathetic, and wonderful. |
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Post by Rainbow Rosa on Jul 10, 2023 18:53:13 GMT -5
Rainbow Rosa anything extra to squeeze out I never watched Succession, everything around it seemed very annoying and I don’t think I missed out on much. I’m debating whether that’s the case with The White Lotus—I’m very fond of Enlightened but have heard ridiculously polarized views on the show from people I know. I’ve seen one scene and was not impressed at all, but again that’s completely out of context. The first season of The White Lotus wasn't bad or anything like that but - much like Succession - it is absolutely a show whose outsized success in the criticosphere is due to it being written by and microtargeted at Twitter users, with everything that implies.
You might be better served by watching Beatriz at Dinner (the non-emoji-laden Mike White-penned film from 2017) which hits the same notes but without the scenes where characters say things like "ugh, she's a neolib AND a neocon." Or maybe skip right to season 2, which apparently is set in Sicily and even prettier.
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Post by DangOlJimmyITellYouWhat on Jul 10, 2023 19:01:26 GMT -5
I know people like to say Alice Cooper when the subject of “weird guest stars on the original Muppet Show” comes up, but for my money, Joel Silver Grey is far more bizarre.
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Post by Ben Grimm on Jul 10, 2023 19:37:43 GMT -5
I know people like to say Alice Cooper when the subject of “weird guest stars on the original Muppet Show” comes up, but for my money, Joel Silver Grey is far more bizarre. Mummenschanz scared me more than either of them. |
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Post by Floyd Diabolical Barber on Jul 10, 2023 21:27:57 GMT -5
I know people like to say Alice Cooper when the subject of “weird guest stars on the original Muppet Show” comes up, but for my money, Joel Silver Grey is far more bizarre. Sober Alice Cooper seems to be a pretty down to earth guy. "Partying with Keith Moon" era Alice Cooper would be, I suspect, terrifying. |
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Post by ABz B👹anaz on Jul 11, 2023 11:54:23 GMT -5
I started watching The Leftovers at a friend's suggestion. Very heavy, bizarre show. Six episodes into the first season. I recognized Marceline Hugot, who played Kathy Geiss on 30 Rock, immediately in this. But somehow never realized it was her playing Anita in Ozark a year ago! One of my favorite shows of all time. It only gets weirder but also more human, empathetic, and wonderful. I finished the first season last night. This show is incredibly intense but amazing. I asked the friend who recommended it if it had a complete story arc and he said it did, but can I get confirmation - this show DOES have an "ending" right? I don't need every loose end tied up, but maybe at least the biggest ones? Because right now I feel like NOTHING has really been answered, but I do like seeing evidence of some of the shit that's REALLY wrong with the world post-Departure. Especially how the federal government is 100% okay with outright murdering any and all religious groups/cults whether they've done anything bad or not. |
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Post by MrsLangdonAlger on Jul 11, 2023 12:08:58 GMT -5
One of my favorite shows of all time. It only gets weirder but also more human, empathetic, and wonderful. I finished the first season last night. This show is incredibly intense but amazing. I asked the friend who recommended it if it had a complete story arc and he said it did, but can I get confirmation - this show DOES have an "ending" right? I don't need every loose end tied up, but maybe at least the biggest ones? Because right now I feel like NOTHING has really been answered, but I do like seeing evidence of some of the shit that's REALLY wrong with the world post-Departure. Especially how the federal government is 100% okay with outright murdering any and all religious groups/cults whether they've done anything bad or not. I said more via PM but the theme song starts being "let the mystery be" in the second season for a reason. The ending of the show is very emotionally satisfying but you don't get answers per se. |
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Post by ganews on Jul 11, 2023 12:13:26 GMT -5
I finished the first season last night. This show is incredibly intense but amazing. I asked the friend who recommended it if it had a complete story arc and he said it did, but can I get confirmation - this show DOES have an "ending" right? I don't need every loose end tied up, but maybe at least the biggest ones? Because right now I feel like NOTHING has really been answered, but I do like seeing evidence of some of the shit that's REALLY wrong with the world post-Departure. Especially how the federal government is 100% okay with outright murdering any and all religious groups/cults whether they've done anything bad or not. I said more via PM but the theme song starts being "let the mystery be" in the second season for a reason. The ending of the show is very emotionally satisfying but you don't get answers per se. Man that song kind of spoils Iris DeMent for me. I can't hear her singing anything else without remembering it. |
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Post by liebkartoffel on Jul 11, 2023 14:59:40 GMT -5
You've heard it here first, folks: The Bear is good! Binged both seasons over the past week, and "Fishes" is my favorite episode of TV in recent memory.
We also binged Secret Chef a cooking competition where the gimmick is the chefs are assigned pseudonyms and judge each other's dishes anonymously. It's very silly, and maybe too much is made about the chefs attempting to discern each other's secret identities when doing so confers no tangible advantage in the competition, but it's a fun watch. The challenges--liberally cribbed from Top Chef's more creative quickfires--are uniformly entertaining.
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Post by Desert Dweller on Jul 11, 2023 23:45:12 GMT -5
I know people like to say Alice Cooper when the subject of “weird guest stars on the original Muppet Show” comes up, but for my money, Joel Silver Grey is far more bizarre.
Do you mean, "Weird that this person was on the Muppet Show" or "this person was very weird on the Muppet Show"?
Joel Grey was a Broadway actor, with at least a couple Tony nominations/wins and an Oscar win in the years before that Muppet Show performance. It wasn't at all strange for a famous stage performer to be hosting the Muppet Show.
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Post by LazBro on Jul 12, 2023 7:45:33 GMT -5
We're finished with Apple and Peacock for now and re-subbed to Hulu. The kids want to watch Bob's Burgers, I want watch to The Bear, and we also want to do another binge project with Elementary, a show we started in real time but fell from in season 6 or so.
So, The Bear. Good first episode. Very stressy, but funny and kind of exhilarating too. But ... why does a sandwich joint open at 3pm?
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Post by Pedantic Editor Type on Jul 12, 2023 8:22:04 GMT -5
We're finished with Apple and Peacock for now and re-subbed to Hulu. The kids want to watch Bob's Burgers, I want to The Bear, and we also want to do another binge project with Elementary, a show we started in real time but fell from in season 6 or so.
So, The Bear. Good first episode. Very stressy, but funny and kind of exhilarating too. But ... why does a sandwich joint open at 3pm?
As previously stated, I have only heard about The Bear; I have not actually seen any episodes. However, one of the many pet peeves I've heard about is that there are no Italian beef joints in Chicago that would cook their roast beef on site, and they definitely wouldn't only open at 3 p.m. The restaurant it's loosely based on, Mr Beef, opens at 10 a.m. |
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Post by LazBro on Jul 12, 2023 8:30:32 GMT -5
We're finished with Apple and Peacock for now and re-subbed to Hulu. The kids want to watch Bob's Burgers, I want to The Bear, and we also want to do another binge project with Elementary, a show we started in real time but fell from in season 6 or so.
So, The Bear. Good first episode. Very stressy, but funny and kind of exhilarating too. But ... why does a sandwich joint open at 3pm? As previously stated, I have only heard about The Bear; I have not actually seen any episodes. However, one of the many pet peeves I've heard about is that there are no Italian beef joints in Chicago that would cook their roast beef on site, and they definitely wouldn't only open at 3 p.m. The restaurant it's loosely based on, Mr Beef, opens at 10 a.m. Yeah, like, I would think Italian beef joints would do big lunch crowds. That 11am - 2pm shift would be the rush, I'd think. They also did a staff meal, which again, I doubt most Italian beef shops do. It's fine for TV, of course, but I thought it was weird. |
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Post by liebkartoffel on Jul 12, 2023 8:47:17 GMT -5
We're finished with Apple and Peacock for now and re-subbed to Hulu. The kids want to watch Bob's Burgers, I want to The Bear, and we also want to do another binge project with Elementary, a show we started in real time but fell from in season 6 or so.
So, The Bear. Good first episode. Very stressy, but funny and kind of exhilarating too. But ... why does a sandwich joint open at 3pm?
As previously stated, I have only heard about The Bear; I have not actually seen any episodes. However, one of the many pet peeves I've heard about is that there are no Italian beef joints in Chicago that would cook their roast beef on site, and they definitely wouldn't only open at 3 p.m. The restaurant it's loosely based on, Mr Beef, opens at 10 a.m. The premise of the show is a world-class chef--Carmen "Carmy" Berzatto--returns home to Chicago to take over his brother's struggling restaurant. Opening at 3:00 is, indeed, bizarre, but I chalked that up to first episode weirdness and perhaps the growing pains of Carmy getting himself up to speed. They're clearly open for lunch in subsequent episodes. As for cooking the beef on-site, it's kind of implied that even before Carmy arrives the restaurant had ambitions of being more than just an Italian beef joint--the menu includes spaghetti and other dishes beyond simple sandwich fare--so maybe doing their own beef is part of their hook. |
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Post by Pedantic Editor Type on Jul 12, 2023 8:49:14 GMT -5
As previously stated, I have only heard about The Bear; I have not actually seen any episodes. However, one of the many pet peeves I've heard about is that there are no Italian beef joints in Chicago that would cook their roast beef on site, and they definitely wouldn't only open at 3 p.m. The restaurant it's loosely based on, Mr Beef, opens at 10 a.m. The premise of the show is a world-class chef--Carmen "Carmy" Berzatto--returns home to Chicago to take over his brother's struggling restaurant. Opening at 3:00 is, indeed, bizarre, but I chalked that up to first episode weirdness and perhaps the growing pains of Carmy getting himself up to speed. They're clearly open for lunch in subsequent episodes. As for cooking the beef on-site, it's kind of implied that even before Carmy arrives the restaurant had ambitions of being more than just an Italian beef joint--the menu includes spaghetti and other dishes beyond simple sandwich fare--so maybe doing their own beef is part of their hook. It's just weird in the context of Chicago restaurants. But if it makes sense within the show, so be it. |
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Post by liebkartoffel on Jul 12, 2023 9:24:11 GMT -5
The premise of the show is a world-class chef--Carmen "Carmy" Berzatto--returns home to Chicago to take over his brother's struggling restaurant. Opening at 3:00 is, indeed, bizarre, but I chalked that up to first episode weirdness and perhaps the growing pains of Carmy getting himself up to speed. They're clearly open for lunch in subsequent episodes. As for cooking the beef on-site, it's kind of implied that even before Carmy arrives the restaurant had ambitions of being more than just an Italian beef joint--the menu includes spaghetti and other dishes beyond simple sandwich fare--so maybe doing their own beef is part of their hook. It's just weird in the context of Chicago restaurants. But if it makes sense within the show, so be it. It's very much a "just roll with it" situation--they were also baking all their bread on-site, for some reason--but the central question of (the first season of the) show is "what happens when a classically trained chef attempts to run a sandwich shop like he's still in a fine dining kitchen?" so I think it can be forgiven for deviating from the norm. |
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Post by Rainbow Rosa on Jul 12, 2023 11:37:49 GMT -5
I know people like to say Alice Cooper when the subject of “weird guest stars on the original Muppet Show” comes up, but for my money, Joel Silver Grey is far more bizarre. Do you mean, "Weird that this person was on the Muppet Show" or "this person was very weird on the Muppet Show"?
Joel Grey was a Broadway actor, with at least a couple Tony nominations/wins and an Oscar win in the years before that Muppet Show performance. It wasn't at all strange for a famous stage performer to be hosting the Muppet Show. isn't my idea of family entertainment, I think is the point. |
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Post by Desert Dweller on Jul 12, 2023 12:45:36 GMT -5
Do you mean, "Weird that this person was on the Muppet Show" or "this person was very weird on the Muppet Show"?
Joel Grey was a Broadway actor, with at least a couple Tony nominations/wins and an Oscar win in the years before that Muppet Show performance. It wasn't at all strange for a famous stage performer to be hosting the Muppet Show. isn't my idea of family entertainment, I think is the point. Not to be all "I understand the Muppets on a deeper level...", but I don't think this was the point of the Muppet Show. It wasn't supposed to be a kids show. |
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Post by Jean-Luc Lemur on Jul 12, 2023 17:47:19 GMT -5
Succession and White Lotus are dominating Emmy acting nominations, poor Rhea Seehorn’s probably toast. 
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Post by Desert Dweller on Jul 12, 2023 18:21:28 GMT -5
Succession and White Lotus are dominating Emmy acting nominations, poor Rhea Seehorn’s probably toast. There's always a small chance that they can all split votes, leaving her with a plurality. But yeah, I expect Coolidge to win again. Which is a bummer because "Point and Shoot" and the finale are in this eligible run for BCS, and Seehorn was amazing in both of those. Edited to add: You know what is incredible about BCS and the Emmys? It was never nominated for CINEMATOGRAPHY. |
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Post by DangOlJimmyITellYouWhat on Jul 12, 2023 19:29:44 GMT -5
Cabaret isn't my idea of family entertainment, I think is the point. Not to be all "I understand the Muppets on a deeper level...", but I don't think this was the point of the Muppet Show. It wasn't supposed to be a kids show. Yes, Rainbow Rosa, exactly. And I wouldn’t say “family entertainment” doesn’t equal “ kids show”*. Kid- friendly, more like, and yeah Cabaret is …not that. *Not in the 70s, at any rate. We don’t seem to get much of a difference nowadays; it seems it’s more often either specifically for kids with “something for the adults” (like pop culture references or Hays Code-appropriate off-color jokes) or it’s not. |
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