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Post by X the Anonymous Zeus or Odin on Sept 1, 2014 5:01:50 GMT -5
So I've started watching Deep Space 9 again on Netflix and I was wondering if anyone could provide me with a decent episode guide of goodness because, well, quite frankly I don't want to watch them all because I don't want to have to watch the unpleasant ones.
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Post by Douay-Rheims-Challoner on Sept 1, 2014 6:04:12 GMT -5
Skip "Move Along Home," "Meridian," "Let He Who Is Without Sin" and "Profit and Lace," those are probably the four most hated episodes of the show (and justly so.) You can pretty much pass any Mirror Universe episode after "Through The Looking Glass" (so no "Shattered Mirror," no "Resurrection," and no "The Emperor's New Cloak".)
Okay that's not a lot of episodes, but the majority of the show from season four onwards is worth watching, and trust me I've just scalped out the worst.
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Post by Post-Lupin on Sept 1, 2014 6:04:41 GMT -5
So I've started watching Deep Space 9 again on Netflix and I was wondering if anyone could provide me with a decent episode guide of goodness because, well, quite frankly I don't want to watch them all because I don't want to have to watch the unpleasant ones. Here's a good list of the best of Deep Space 9...Sorry, just couldn't resist...
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Post by Electric Dragon on Sept 1, 2014 6:30:09 GMT -5
Skip "Move Along Home," "Meridian," "Let He Who Is Without Sin" and "Profit and Lace," those are probably the four most hated episodes of the show (and justly so.) You can pretty much pass any Mirror Universe episode after "Through The Looking Glass" (so no "Shattered Mirror," no "Resurrection," and no "The Emperor's New Cloak".) Okay that's not a lot of episodes, but the majority of the show from season four onwards is worth watching, and trust me I've just scalped out the worst. I would also add (or subtract, rather) If Wishes Were Horses and Melora.
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Post by Electric Dragon on Sept 1, 2014 6:33:13 GMT -5
So I've started watching Deep Space 9 again on Netflix and I was wondering if anyone could provide me with a decent episode guide of goodness because, well, quite frankly I don't want to watch them all because I don't want to have to watch the unpleasant ones. Here's a good list of the best of Deep Space 9...Sorry, just couldn't resist...
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Post by King Charles’s Butterfly on Sept 1, 2014 7:23:56 GMT -5
Watch “Move Along Home”—it’s crazy in a third-season TOS sort of way and has a couple of nice little moments. Skip the episode preceding it, “The Passenger,” instead.
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Post by X the Anonymous Zeus or Odin on Sept 1, 2014 10:56:48 GMT -5
So I've started watching Deep Space 9 again on Netflix and I was wondering if anyone could provide me with a decent episode guide of goodness because, well, quite frankly I don't want to watch them all because I don't want to have to watch the unpleasant ones. Here's a good list of the best of Deep Space 9...Sorry, just couldn't resist... You could've resisted, you just didn't want to.
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Post by Desert Dweller on Sept 1, 2014 20:22:43 GMT -5
Watch “Move Along Home”—it’s crazy in a third-season TOS sort of way and has a couple of nice little moments. Skip the episode preceding it, “The Passenger,” instead. I have come to the conclusion that "Move Along Home" is a better episode to watch than "The Passenger" or "The Storyteller". Because the stupidity of "Move Along Home", IMO, crosses over into funny, whereas the other two episodes are just stupid. Honestly, when I tell people to watch DS9, I frequently tell them for S1 to watch only "Emissary", "Duet" and the season finale, "In the Hands of the Prophets". I will sometimes add "Past Prologue" because of the intro of an important DS9 character. And if someone was already a TNG fan I'd add "The Forsaken", because that episode is an example of a TNG guest star being used really well. (And also a really good Odo episode.) If you are *re-watching* and therefore already familiar with the characters, then I'd definitely say stick with "Emissary", "Duet" and "In the Hands of the Prophets" for S1. My S2 recommendations for what to watch on a bare minimum list are: "Cardassians" "Necessary Evil" "The Maquis" "The Wire" "The Jem'Hadar" But, I actually like a lot more episodes in S2 that are more character based, such as "Rules of Acquisition", "Whispers", "Shadowplay", "Profit and Loss", "Blood Oath", "Crossover" and "Tribunal".
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You could've resisted, you just didn't want to. Resistance is futile.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2014 23:01:52 GMT -5
If it is a first time through, I say watch them all. The average episodes help establish the characters at least, and when it dips into bad territory(which is not often) it will help put the good in context. Then again, whenever I am watching a series for the first time I just always watch everything in order, just how I am. Yeah, with older series it can be tricky. But if you find yourself liking the good stuff enough and you trust peoples opinions on the show becoming good later on, then the bad shouldn't stand out that much, because it will get better.
Edit: if it is a rewatch, then I pretty much agree with what everyone else has said to avoid.
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Post by Sanziana on Mar 18, 2016 8:16:03 GMT -5
I am reviving this thread because I tried to abstain from posting about my Star Trek franchise watch so much but I want to ramble about this show and I should not clog up the What Are You Watching thread. Here begins my newbie babble.
So, I've read people were bothered by the multitude of humanoid aliens. It doesn't bother me that much, except from the fact the "good" aliens, for example Bajorans, are always almost perfectly human in appearance, save for some forehead or nose lines, and the "evil" ones look more animalistic, to make it harder for us to relate to them, I guess. Michael Westmore did a great job as far as I'm concerned. Especially on the Cardassians, which are my favourites (even if they have a dessert spoon on their foreheads) and they actually are quite unsettling to me, but that's also because of very good casting. Gul Dukat and Garak are great characters.
I'm in the middle of season 3 and I loved the Duet episode a great deal so far, and Whispers, the one with O'Brien being replaced by a replicant. And of course the episodes with the Founders. Just show me that Dominion War already!
Also, William Riker should've watched Julian Bashir to know how smooth, charming jerk is done properly.
And the kids, just forget about the kids Star Trek, it's embarassing.
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Post by Douay-Rheims-Challoner on Mar 18, 2016 12:38:34 GMT -5
Sanziana "Whispers" is Futurama creator David X. Cohen's favourite Star Trek episode, at least according to one interview, and is part of the genre of O'Brien Must Suffer stories - O'Brien, as the affable Everyman, the working joe on a series with a shapeshifter and a conjoined alien, has our empathy for him routinely put through the wringer. Gul Dukat was a great casting from necessity - the original actor who played the role wasn't working out, so they brought in Marc Alaimo to replace him, who had been a frequent guest star on Next Generation (almost always under an unrecognisable level of alien makeup) and more to the point had played the Cardassian leader Gul Macet in "The Wounded" on the Next Generation; the distinctive neck marks the Cardassians have were inspired by his own wide shoulders which is why the makeup looks particularly good on him. Your point about the differing kinds of makeup is well taken; they are sometimes an inherited problem - Michael Piller only wanted a minimal amount of makeup on Michelle Forbes when she played Ro Laren on the Next Generation and that defined the Bajoran look - and sometimes one developed on the set; the series abandoned Next Generation's Trill makeup because it wasn't that attractive when considering Terry Farrell as Jadzia Dax. But Deep Space Nine retains an empathy and humanity for all of its alien species, even the most exotic in appearance - there's a begrudging admiration for Quark's steadfast belief in his moral principles (even if those principles are 'greed is good'); the Cardassians are a messy, tragically nuanced lot, and the Klingons are well largely unchanged from the Next Gemeration.
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Post by Sanziana on Mar 19, 2016 6:06:53 GMT -5
Douay-Rheims-Challoner I didn't notice they changed the Trills! They should've kept the old make-up, maybe that would've helped Terry Farrell's acting, she's a gorgeous statue and that's about it. And yeah, the O'Brien episodes revolve around tormenting the poor guy, and they are some of the highlights of the series so far. A pity Rosalind Chao isn't involved in them much more, I like Keiko a lot. As much as I like Quark (great casting here too), I find it hard to sit through the Ferengi episodes. Their tone feels jarring compared with the rest of the show.
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Post by Douay-Rheims-Challoner on Mar 19, 2016 6:35:01 GMT -5
Sanziana Like Marc Alaimo, Armin Shimerman would be another case of 'hey, he did a Ferengi before!' - he was one of the Ferengi in their very first appearance in "The Last Outposr" and played a Ferengi commander in "Peak Performance." (Max Grodenchik, who plays his brother Rom, menaced Picard and Vash as yet another Ferengi in "Captain's Holiday," and so on.) I also love Keiko - her relationship with Miles is I think one of the most realistic and best relationships on Star Trek (especially concerned as they both are with their careers.)
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Post by starforge on Mar 19, 2016 16:16:26 GMT -5
Watch “Move Along Home”—it’s crazy in a third-season TOS sort of way and has a couple of nice little moments. Skip the episode preceding it, “The Passenger,” instead. I have come to the conclusion that "Move Along Home" is a better episode to watch than "The Passenger" or "The Storyteller". Because the stupidity of "Move Along Home", IMO, crosses over into funny, whereas the other two episodes are just stupid. Honestly, when I tell people to watch DS9, I frequently tell them for S1 to watch only "Emissary", "Duet" and the season finale, "In the Hands of the Prophets". I will sometimes add "Past Prologue" because of the intro of an important DS9 character. And if someone was already a TNG fan I'd add "The Forsaken", because that episode is an example of a TNG guest star being used really well. (And also a really good Odo episode.) If you are *re-watching* and therefore already familiar with the characters, then I'd definitely say stick with "Emissary", "Duet" and "In the Hands of the Prophets" for S1. My S2 recommendations for what to watch on a bare minimum list are: "Cardassians" "Necessary Evil" "The Maquis" "The Wire" "The Jem'Hadar" But, I actually like a lot more episodes in S2 that are more character based, such as "Rules of Acquisition", "Whispers", "Shadowplay", "Profit and Loss", "Blood Oath", "Crossover" and "Tribunal". This is how I've introduced several DS9 fans to the series. The minimalist route avoids any buildup of disinterest, and the story's clip keeps them hooked.
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Post by Desert Dweller on Mar 19, 2016 18:31:56 GMT -5
This is how I've introduced several DS9 fans to the series. The minimalist route avoids any buildup of disinterest, and the story's clip keeps them hooked. Yeah. With DS9 I hate doing it this way, because there is a lot of good character building in those other episodes. So, if someone has the time and is really interested, especially those who have seen TOS and TNG, I'll tell them to go ahead and watch everything. The later episodes have a lot more resonance if you've watched all the character development. However, for people who aren't Trek fans, or have limited time, I really truncate S1 and S2 for them. I think I do usually add in "Rules of Acquisition" and "Shadowplay" so they at least get some grounding in the Gamma Quadrant story.
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Post by starforge on Mar 19, 2016 18:37:16 GMT -5
This is how I've introduced several DS9 fans to the series. The minimalist route avoids any buildup of disinterest, and the story's clip keeps them hooked. Yeah. With DS9 I hate doing it this way, because there is a lot of good character building in those other episodes. So, if someone has the time and is really interested, especially those who have seen TOS and TNG, I'll tell them to go ahead and watch everything. The later episodes have a lot more resonance if you've watched all the character development. However, for people who aren't Trek fans, or have limited time, I really truncate S1 and S2 for them. I think I do usually add in "Rules of Acquisition" and "Shadowplay" so they at least get some grounding in the Gamma Quadrant story. Oh yeah, if they like it in Season 3 and 4, we totally go back and watch the good to middling episodes. The folks (sans Paleu from this site) were mostly anime fans, so I had to ease them back into the realm of live action television.
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Post by Desert Dweller on Mar 19, 2016 18:52:45 GMT -5
So, I've read people were bothered by the multitude of humanoid aliens. It doesn't bother me that much, except from the fact the "good" aliens, for example Bajorans, are always almost perfectly human in appearance, save for some forehead or nose lines, and the "evil" ones look more animalistic, to make it harder for us to relate to them, I guess. Michael Westmore did a great job as far as I'm concerned. Especially on the Cardassians, which are my favourites (even if they have a dessert spoon on their foreheads) and they actually are quite unsettling to me, but that's also because of very good casting. Gul Dukat and Garak are great characters. While I wish there could be more alien-looking aliens in Trek, I understand the limitations of makeup and special effects. So, I've just learned to accept it. And I do like the TNG-era Klingon makeup. The makeup on {a Klingon character you haven't met yet} is great.
Also, I really do love the Cardassian makeup. It is wonderful how that makeup looks so weird and kinda creepy, very lizard-like. However, DS9 makes the characters so nuanced. I greatly appreciate DS9's efforts in developing Cardassians so that they weren't just some stock villain species. Marc Alaimo and Andrew Robinson were two of the best casting decisions that show made. I still think Dukat and Garak are two of the best All Time Trek characters.
Edited to fix some unfortunate formatting
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Post by King Charles’s Butterfly on Mar 19, 2016 19:25:53 GMT -5
So, I've read people were bothered by the multitude of humanoid aliens. It doesn't bother me that much, except from the fact the "good" aliens, for example Bajorans, are always almost perfectly human in appearance, save for some forehead or nose lines, and the "evil" ones look more animalistic, to make it harder for us to relate to them, I guess. Michael Westmore did a great job as far as I'm concerned. Especially on the Cardassians, which are my favourites (even if they have a dessert spoon on their foreheads) and they actually are quite unsettling to me, but that's also because of very good casting. Gul Dukat and Garak are great characters. I think it’s partly coincidental—the Cardassians were invented before the Bajorans and they were supposed to be basically just like us under the skin. The Bajorans were invented because of Ensign Ro, and when you cast Michelle Forbes you’re going to put as little makeup on her as possible. Same thing with Jadzia—they started with big TNG-style prosthetics and then were like, “wait, we cast Terry Farrell , why the hell are we doing this!” and kept reducing its size and reducing its size until it barely showed up on TV (plus I’m sure Farrell would have reacted badly to the makeup at some point). So then they were like, “Hey Terry, you’re friends with Famke Janssen, why don’t we just give you her makeup?” and Terry Farrell and the producers simultaneously said, “So hot!” Aww, Jake’s pretty cool and Molly manages to be cute and not-annoying when she appears.
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Post by Desert Dweller on Mar 19, 2016 19:55:29 GMT -5
Aww, Jake’s pretty cool and Molly manages to be cute and not-annoying when she appears. And Nog is a legit good character.
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Post by King Charles’s Butterfly on Mar 20, 2016 15:51:44 GMT -5
Desert Dweller Nog grows so much I didn’t even think of him as a “kid,” but definitely agreed.
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Post by Sanziana on Mar 21, 2016 7:47:51 GMT -5
So, I've read people were bothered by the multitude of humanoid aliens. It doesn't bother me that much, except from the fact the "good" aliens, for example Bajorans, are always almost perfectly human in appearance, save for some forehead or nose lines, and the "evil" ones look more animalistic, to make it harder for us to relate to them, I guess. Michael Westmore did a great job as far as I'm concerned. Especially on the Cardassians, which are my favourites (even if they have a dessert spoon on their foreheads) and they actually are quite unsettling to me, but that's also because of very good casting. Gul Dukat and Garak are great characters. While I wish there could be more alien-looking aliens in Trek, I understand the limitations of makeup and special effects. So, I've just learned to accept it. And I do like the TNG-era Klingon makeup. The makeup on {a Klingon character you haven't met yet} is great.
Also, I really do love the Cardassian makeup. It is wonderful how that makeup looks so weird and kinda creepy, very lizard-like. However, DS9 makes the characters so nuanced. I greatly appreciate DS9's efforts in developing Cardassians so that they weren't just some stock villain species. Marc Alaimo and Andrew Robinson were two of the best casting decisions that show made. I still think Dukat and Garak are two of the best All Time Trek characters.
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The Klingon make-up is great indeed. I'm particularly fond of Worf's ponytail, he looks pretty badass with it, unlike that atrocious bob he had for the most part in TNG. And Trek in general is pretty good at characterization, fleshing out its villains, even the Romulans and Borg have great episodes throughout. King Charles’s Butterfly Jake and Nog are good characters yeah, but there some episodes revolving around kids that just make you cringe.
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Post by rimjobflashmob on Mar 21, 2016 9:46:12 GMT -5
Desert Dweller Nog grows so much I didn’t even think of him as a “kid,” but definitely agreed. Figuratively, at least. Unlike Jake, who ends up as tall as Kareem Abdul-Jabbar.
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Post by Sanziana on Mar 23, 2016 11:57:49 GMT -5
How amazing was season 4! Not only the development of the Dominion storyline, it excelled in individual episodes too. The small moments between characters were some of the best, they are the defining things about ST after all. I loved the interaction between Kira and Gul Dukat, Nana Visitor got a chance to shine, even though she later got saddled with yet another pompous, self-important bore of a romantic interest. There was also a nice scene with Odo (he's the funniest ST character, that sarcasm kills me every time) and Worf where they bonded over being antisocial loners. I'm glad they abandoned the romance subplot with Odo and Kira because romance in the ST universe is most of the time so melodramatic and over the top, only the actors make it work sometimes. As DRC already said, the O'Brien (the suffering gets exponentially higher with every season in this guy's episodes, eh?) and Keiko relationship is the only realistic one.
That gets me to Lwaxana. I love Lwaxana and Majel Barrett and I am so furious she mostly gets badly written, sappy episodes. Majel Barrett always saves the day though, she gives Lwaxana a tenderness, wisdom and dignity that keep the character above all the awfulness that is thrown at her.
DS9 is darker than TNG, literally and figuratively. It's so little light on that station, the colours are also muted, and it really adds to the atmosphere of the show. That TNG idealism, lightness and playfulness gets restrained here and even the characters have nastier, harder edges to them. And I like that the stories are more interconnected, there's a clearer sense of where the show wants to go. Even Worf is meaner, wilder on DS9 (they really did a tremendous job on him, he may not be the brightest bulb, but he is one great character).
Lastly, I love the way the story is going, with the Cardassians and Romulans in shambles, the Klingons going totally bananas, and the Founders not being exactly invincible. There's a poignancy revealed in how they treat the Jem'Hadar, how little they understand and underestimate humanoids; they try to control with a drug the Jem'Hadar, failing to comprehend that faith can be for humanoids a stronger incentive than anything else. Religion is one of DS9's foremost themes, and they handle it quite well but that's a big discussion.
One thing that I would like to see in a ST show that I feel was overlooked, is the relationship between Romulans and Vulcans. There are great stories there.
So excited for season 5!
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Post by Douay-Rheims-Challoner on Mar 23, 2016 19:02:46 GMT -5
Sanziana Season four was also something of a ratings Hail Mary: Season three ended with the threat that the Dominion are everywhere, and the intention was that the season four premiere would be the plot they finally got to in "Homefront"/"Paradise Lost" - but instead, what if they brought back Worf, one of the Next Generation's most popular characters, and let the Klingons go bad again? So they did and in a process stepped into a larger world - they kept up their existing plot threads, but it's only really at this point the Klingon Empire is directly intergrated into Deep Space Nine's story, and while that involves carrying over TNG recurring player Gowron (and giving Kurn a bittersweet sendoff) it also introduced us to Martok, the garrulous Klingon leader who would become one of DS9's many well loved characters. And I think the reason the Vulcan/Romulan interplay is so rarely explored is that the series that have many Romulan appearances - mostly Next Generation - lack Vulcan lead characters. The Romulans only really appeared twice on the original show (compared to seven times for the Klingons), Enterprise is set at a time before regular contact with Romulans had occurred and Voyager is on the wrong side of the galaxy to meet them often.
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Post by Desert Dweller on Mar 25, 2016 1:19:18 GMT -5
Yes, I really love DS9 season 4. I think it is one of the best seasons of Star Trek, overall. Goes to show that sometimes taking the notes from the EP/network can actually pay off. Introducing the Klingons back into the story turned out to be a fantastic idea. This helped throw Cardassia into complete disarray. It brought new depth to Worf. I loved the introduction of Martok. Great to see Gowron again. I love what this story did for Gul Dukat. Season 4 is when he is the most interesting. The story about Ziyal, and Dukat striking out on his own, the weird relationship he has with Kira.... That was all great stuff. I loved the look at the Jem'Hadar in Season 4 with "Hippocratic Oath" and "To The Death". Also, Weyoun was a great guest character in "To The Death". It was fascinating to get a look at that power structure with the Jem'Hadar and the Vorta. I think all the main characters got terrific episodes in Season 4. "Rejoined" is a great Dax episode. Kira's entire story was great. I love Odo in Season 4. Quark got some fantastic episodes. I think "Our Man Bashir" and "The Quickening" are two of the best Bashir episodes. Sisko gets some great stuff with "Homefront"/"Paradise Lost". And Season 4 brings us possibly the most Sufferiest episode of O'Brien. Sanziana I also think Lwaxana is a really good character in DS9. I think she is actually the best thing about all 3 of the episodes she does on DS9. The episodes she's in are kinda silly, but I think DS9 allows her to reveal a lot of depth. It was a great idea to have her play off Odo. For the non-newbies, it is surprising to realize how many great recurring characters are not even introduced until Season 4! And they are mostly underplayed in Season 4! These are really important characters, and you'd barely notice them in Season 4 if you hadn't seen the show before. Wow!
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Post by Douay-Rheims-Challoner on Mar 25, 2016 9:29:00 GMT -5
Desert Dweller Hell, there's key recurring characters who aren't introduced until season six.
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Post by Desert Dweller on Mar 25, 2016 21:57:40 GMT -5
Desert Dweller Hell, there's key recurring characters who aren't introduced until season six. Characters, plural? .... Actually, I guess so! Although, I wouldn't call those two as important as 3 (or maybe 4) who were introduced in Season 4. Once a DS9-newbie friend of mine asked me about my favorite recurring characters. He was still in the middle of season 3. I had to stop because I realized my list was too spoilery. Had to wait until after he finished the show. DS9 is damned hard show to discuss with newbies.
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Post by Sanziana on Mar 27, 2016 12:59:26 GMT -5
Sometimes I think they should've spent some time on Bajor, not limit themselves to DS9. I mean that world is fascinating in its own right, with potential for interesting storylines that focus on more than religion. For example, I found baffling their decision not to join the Federation, even if The Emissary was the one to suggest it. It's just daft to refuse membership to the Federation, which I presume comes with some perks, with aid after decades of war, when the first thing the Dominion ships will do when they come through that wormhole is to blow your world to pieces. I understand they are a spiritual people, but a little pragmatism wouldn't hurt. So I guess what I'm trying to say is that I feel Bajor is treated superficially, it would've been nice to see explored some internal political conflict there. I also think the "we're the good, stand up guys of the galaxy" politics of the Federation feel even flimsier considering the latest developments. What is this Starfleet anyway? It's not military is it, even if they have weapons, because I presume the Federation has a peaceful, conciliatory policy. And I would've liked to have seen the measures these guys took to fight the Dominion, besides relocating civilians. I guess everything is focused on these central characters though, we only follow them, as per Star Trek formula.
The Cardassia and Dominion alliance got a jaw drop from me. I didn't see that one coming. Gul Dukat broke my heart; I actually started to like the guy.
This season I loved The Ascent (Odo and Quark are always delightful together), The Darkness and the Light (because seeing Nana Visitor heavily pregnant trudging along the stations' corridors with such conviction made me smile with joy like few things) and Doctor Bashir, I Presume?, which was a complete WTF moment for me, and a great character episode for Bashir.
This show loves to torture Odo (that return to changeling form was clumsily done, but boy, did it make me happy!). Leave him be, DS9!
Season 6 looks terribly good.
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Post by Douay-Rheims-Challoner on Mar 27, 2016 15:16:58 GMT -5
Sometimes I think they should've spent some time on Bajor, not limit themselves to DS9. When viewers were polled about the show, Bajor plotlines ranked dead last, which is a reason the show shifts away from them as it goes on. Originally, Deep Space Nine was going to be a Federation outpost literally on Bajor, but it was felt that was moving away a little too much from the space-based orientation of the Star Trek franchise. Well, I'd say something, but perhaps best I just say keep watching. "The Darkness and the Light" is one of only two DS9 episodes with Bryan Fuller's - as in future Star Trek showrunner Bryan Fuller's - involvement. The other is "Empok Nor." Most of his work was in Voyager, and speaking of Voyager, "Doctor Bashir, I Presume?" was the best crossover between Deep Space Nine and Voyager - the Voyager's Doctor is one of the Emergency Medical Holograms based on Doctor Zimmerman, who, although he was the Doctor's creator, made his first real appearance here on DS9.
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