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Post by pairesta on Jan 4, 2017 20:48:48 GMT -5
Two more cookbooks, in time for the "healthy eating" we're supposed to be doing this month [/burps up the spaghetti carbonara from dinner]:
Super Natural Every Day Forks Over Knives
Both are healthy, vegetarian-leaning books. I'll be trying to cook from them for my "theme" this month.
Super Natural Foods is vegetarian, with lots of whole grains. It's pretty interesting. I have a list of recipes I want to try. The author seems to heavily favor parmigiano cheese for an umami boost, and seems to love curry powder as well. Also she is not afraid of fat; 1/3 or 2/3rds cup of oil are not uncommon.
Forks Over Knives, however, is fully vegan. Also the authors make some passing comment about not using "processed oils" in anything. I wasn't aware this was even a thing. Consequently though, they saute everything WITH WATER. That's it. No fat of any kind. I just can't get past that. This extends to everything in the book; since it's vegan, things like sour cream or mayonnaise basically are just soft tofu pureed with something, and that's it. I may yet finds some ideas in there, but you better believe I'm adding oil back in.
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Post by GumTurkeyles on Jan 6, 2017 10:38:17 GMT -5
Two more cookbooks, in time for the "healthy eating" we're supposed to be doing this month [/burps up the spaghetti carbonara from dinner]: Super Natural Every Day Forks Over Knives Both are healthy, vegetarian-leaning books. I'll be trying to cook from them for my "theme" this month. Super Natural Foods is vegetarian, with lots of whole grains. It's pretty interesting. I have a list of recipes I want to try. The author seems to heavily favor parmigiano cheese for an umami boost, and seems to love curry powder as well. Also she is not afraid of fat; 1/3 or 2/3rds cup of oil are not uncommon. Forks Over Knives, however, is fully vegan. Also the authors make some passing comment about not using "processed oils" in anything. I wasn't aware this was even a thing. Consequently though, they saute everything WITH WATER. That's it. No fat of any kind. I just can't get past that. This extends to everything in the book; since it's vegan, things like sour cream or mayonnaise basically are just soft tofu pureed with something, and that's it. I may yet finds some ideas in there, but you better believe I'm adding oil back in. I'm upvoting your last sentence. Nothing else deserves an upvote from that book. I was talking to a friend yesterday, and she's in a cookbook potluck group that's held at a library. They'll pick a cookbook (that there are plenty of throughout the library system) and each make a different recipe from it. It sounds like a lot of fun, though I doubt I'll join. However, she said the most recent cookbook they have is the most pretentious piece of bullshit she's ever read. It's written by the former editor of Gourmet magazine, who was fired at 61 years old. The intro talks about her going into a depression about having to retire in her summer home on a lake, and something about having to rent out her manhattan apartment to make a living. The book is called "My Kitchen Year: 136 Recipes That Saved My Life." It sounds like 136 pages of garbage. Also, there's no table of contents. EDIT: Oh, I forgot! Each entry is based on a tweet-sized poem. An example she gave (which I just found in the comments on Amazon) "Clouds coming in. Chilly outside. In here the generous scent of chicken stock swirls through the air. A solace and a promise."
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Post by Pedantic Editor Type on Jan 6, 2017 10:48:50 GMT -5
Forks Over Knives, however, is fully vegan. Also the authors make some passing comment about not using "processed oils" in anything. I wasn't aware this was even a thing. Consequently though, they saute everything WITH WATER. That's it. No fat of any kind. I just can't get past that. This extends to everything in the book; since it's vegan, things like sour cream or mayonnaise basically are just soft tofu pureed with something, and that's it. I may yet finds some ideas in there, but you better believe I'm adding oil back in. I have a vegan friend (who is thankfully not very obnoxious about it) but part of what started her down that path was reading Forks Over Knives. When she started on all this she had a roommate who we're also friendly with who went down the same path, and I remember the roommate talking about "saute with water" which frankly I could rant about in the unreasonably angry thread all day. THAT'S NOT SAUTEING ahem sorry. Like, fine, avoid hydrogenated oils and animal fats to your heart's content but sweet baby Jesus we need some fat in our diets! (There's a vegan blogger whose name I'm failing on whose cookbooks said friend used to edit and she also promoted this sort of thing. Ugh.)
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Post by pairesta on Jan 6, 2017 10:49:44 GMT -5
So you're familiar with Forks Over Knives? Did you have any experience from it? Also I think you're referring to Ruth Reichl? She was on Splendid Table promoting that book right before the holidays. I did feel bad for her in that position (she was laid off when Gourmet ceased publication), but yeah, hearing her talk about retreating from her Manhattan digs to her private cabin for some self-pity at the height of the worst recession in generations did catch me as . . . maybe slightly out of touch. Edit: To GumTurkeyles
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Post by pairesta on Jan 6, 2017 10:54:59 GMT -5
Forks Over Knives, however, is fully vegan. Also the authors make some passing comment about not using "processed oils" in anything. I wasn't aware this was even a thing. Consequently though, they saute everything WITH WATER. That's it. No fat of any kind. I just can't get past that. This extends to everything in the book; since it's vegan, things like sour cream or mayonnaise basically are just soft tofu pureed with something, and that's it. I may yet finds some ideas in there, but you better believe I'm adding oil back in. I have a vegan friend (who is thankfully not very obnoxious about it) but part of what started her down that path was reading Forks Over Knives. When she started on all this she had a roommate who we're also friendly with who went down the same path, and I remember the roommate talking about "saute with water" which frankly I could rant about in the unreasonably angry thread all day. THAT'S NOT SAUTEING ahem sorry. Like, fine, avoid hydrogenated oils and animal fats to your heart's content but sweet baby Jesus we need some fat in our diets! (There's a vegan blogger whose name I'm failing on whose cookbooks said friend used to edit and she also promoted this sort of thing. Ugh.) It's not even the veganism that gets me. It really is the saute with water thing. Like, I had to stop reading the book it was bothering me so much. You're just steaming the aromatics! Ugh I can just imagine how everything they make has that insipid steamed onion taste with no caramelization or fat to carry the flavors. And yes, you NEED fat! Where else are they getting it? Nuts? I can just imagine how skeletal these authors are.
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Post by Pedantic Editor Type on Jan 6, 2017 10:56:50 GMT -5
I have a vegan friend (who is thankfully not very obnoxious about it) but part of what started her down that path was reading Forks Over Knives. When she started on all this she had a roommate who we're also friendly with who went down the same path, and I remember the roommate talking about "saute with water" which frankly I could rant about in the unreasonably angry thread all day. THAT'S NOT SAUTEING ahem sorry. Like, fine, avoid hydrogenated oils and animal fats to your heart's content but sweet baby Jesus we need some fat in our diets! (There's a vegan blogger whose name I'm failing on whose cookbooks said friend used to edit and she also promoted this sort of thing. Ugh.) It's not even the veganism that gets me. It really is the saute with water thing. Like, I had to stop reading the book it was bothering me so much. You're just steaming the aromatics! Ugh I can just imagine how everything they make has that insipid steamed onion taste with no caramelization or fat to carry the flavors. And yes, you NEED fat? Where else are they getting it? Nuts? I can just imagine how skeletal these authors are. I totally get it, I like cheese too much to ever be vegan but I can understand it as a lifestyle choice - but come on! Olive oil! Avocados! Nuts! Fat is not the enemy!
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Post by pairesta on Jan 6, 2017 11:00:59 GMT -5
I'm so happy this saute with water thing sets other people off too.
Olive oil--the thing that's, you know, literally been part of our diet for millennia--yes, THAT'S the enemy and that's why we're so unhealthy. Sure. Let's get rid of that.
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Post by GumTurkeyles on Jan 6, 2017 11:24:17 GMT -5
I'm so happy this saute with water thing sets other people off too. Olive oil--the thing that's, you know, literally been part of our diet for millennia--yes, THAT'S the enemy and that's why we're so unhealthy. Sure. Let's get rid of that. Are they not familiar with the term fat-soluble? It seems silly to cut out something so inherent as that.
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Post by d๏ผฌแต on Jan 6, 2017 17:58:18 GMT -5
I think Forks over Knives started out as one of those crackpot Netflix documentaries. I've only seen part of it, but it's basic premise is that "western diets" are animal and oil based which causes obesity-diabetes-everything, where as the "eastern diet" (because all Asians are the same, right?) is vegetable based due to poverty (wrong) and that in their ancient wisdom they know that oils are unhealthy (also wrong). An (infuriating) example they give is how during WWII the Nazis occupied Finland and took thier livestock, and thier rate of heart disease dropped. This overlooks that 1) the Nazis stole thier doctors 2) they were still eating fish 3) there was still a black market 4) they were dying off from other things like starvation OR JUST THE FUCKING WAR THAT WAS STILL GOING ON.
So yeah, it's all semi-racist bullshit.
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Post by pairesta on Jan 27, 2017 9:33:24 GMT -5
Guys, I've about had it with Forks Over Knives. I keep coming back to it, trying to find something to make, and it just makes me so angry because they do some many things they don't have to do, that actively take flavor away from the dish. Again, it's not that I don't like vegetarian or even vegan cooking; you can do fantastic things with vegetables. But because they can't use any oils of any kind in a dish, there's a whole lot they can't do. "Instead of hollandaise, poach cauliflower in a little vegetable stock, then puree it!" Their hummus--a perfect example of great vegan food--is just chickpeas pureed with cumin, garlic, and lemon juice. They can't use tahini because it's "processed". Vegetables are steamed, instead of roasted, which would add so much more flavor to a dish. I can't help but think of how bland everything must be. At this point it's going to be more of a "get ideas from" cookbook, like the nutritional yeast I mention over on the Food thread, rather than a cook a whole recipe from cookbook. But even then, it's just hard to read the recipes and work with them because it's so maddening.
"What's WRONG with them?!" My wife yelled after I read off the hummus recipe to her.
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Post by Pedantic Editor Type on Jan 27, 2017 9:42:44 GMT -5
Oh - I thought of the name of that weird-ass vegan blog - it's called the Happy Herbivore. She's written some cookbooks too. pairesta at least she doesn't avoid things like canned beans or salsa but she does do the whole "saute with water" nonsense. Blergh.
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Post by pairesta on Feb 2, 2017 11:15:58 GMT -5
I actually finally did manage to make something more or less from Forks Over Knives: winter vegetables with a poppyseed sauce, more or less a direct lift of a traditional Indian dish. I of course did saute the aromatics instead of steam them, and roasted some vegetables instead of steaming them as well. But it was good, nourishing, and relatively quick to put together. It is a tomato-based sauce, and I didn't have the tomatoes just sitting around, so in a fit of inspiration I used a can of V8 to good effect instead.
So that concludes my month of "healthy" cooking. I did manage to make about half my meals vegetarian, which I'm rather proud of since I began the month swimming in sausage and bacon.
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Post by pairesta on Feb 2, 2017 11:20:29 GMT -5
To undo whatever meager benefits I might have gained from healthier, vegetarian cooking, the cookbook I'm working with this month is The Encyclopedia of Cajun & Creole Cuisine, a monstrous, 800 page tome by John Folse.
I still want to do some lighter, easier cooking during the week, though, so last night I researched the soups, salads, and vegetables chapter for ideas and I've got my work cut out for me. He leans hard into the stereotypes, with almost everything garnished with some kind of smoked pork, and thickened with either roux, cream, or both. So I won't be using exactly the recipes, but as a springboard for ideas, and came up with a few vegetarian or seafood meals to make on weeknights that aren't swimming in butter. This should be interesting; I'm excited.
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Post by pairesta on Mar 1, 2017 7:47:45 GMT -5
So I feel pretty good about what I made this month from Folse's book. Objectively, there's alot of similarity and overlap in many of the recipes (some are blatantly just ctrl +c/ ctrl +v'ed from elsewhere in the book), but when you have such incredible depth of flavor from the techniques, you don't mind. I could cook this way all the time.
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Post by pairesta on Mar 1, 2017 7:49:30 GMT -5
For March I'm diving into The Food of Morocco by Paula Wolfert. I've had this book for a few years, and but for a burst of cooking I did from it right after I got it, I haven't revisited it since. Hopefully it gets more use. I've handed it over to my daughter to pick some interesting meals to cook together as well.
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Post by Liz n Dicksgiving on Mar 1, 2017 10:29:23 GMT -5
Hugs brought home Ronni Lundy's "Victuals: An Appalachian Journey" from the library yesterday, because she stumbled across it while moving the cookbook section in her library. (They are in the process of shifting their entire collection around the building; it's unearthing some treasures.) This book is incredibly delightful, with each chapter focusing on a basic, distinctive ingredient; there will be an essay about a local producer and the history of the ingredient, then a handful of recipes. Most of the recipes are extremely basic, but after just a cursory flip-through I'm very intrigued by the corn and apple chapters. Hugs often brings new cookbooks home for me that she thinks she'd like to eat from, but this one's really grabbed me far more than most. I think it's just fascinating me with a cooking heritage that I have never given any thought to.
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Post by Ron Howard Voice on Mar 2, 2017 9:06:36 GMT -5
Diving into a cookbook per month sounds like a very smart idea. I have too many that sit on the shelves, uncracked for months at a time. Tonight making my first recipe from Carolyn Phillips' All Under Heaven - albeit a simple veggie stir fry. And for pleasure I'm reading Andrea Nguyen's Pho, which is a very short book that's basically some essays on the history, culture, and varieties of pho, followed by some essays about making it, followed by a handful of pho recipes. Also includes tips on how to make your own hoisin sauce, sate sauce, and sriracha, which I might have to try.
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Post by pairesta on Mar 2, 2017 9:09:01 GMT -5
Diving into a cookbook per month sounds like a very smart idea. I have too many that sit on the shelves, uncracked for months at a time. Tonight making my first recipe from Carolyn Phillips' All Under Heaven - albeit a simple veggie stir fry. And for pleasure I'm reading Andrea Nguyen's Pho, which is a very short book that's basically some essays on the history, culture, and varieties of pho, followed by some essays about making it, followed by a handful of pho recipes. Also includes tips on how to make your own hoisin sauce, sate sauce, and sriracha, which I might have to try. Andrea Nguyen's previous cookbook, Into The Vietnamese Kitchen, is actually on deck for me later this year.
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Post by Ron Howard Voice on Mar 2, 2017 13:03:59 GMT -5
Diving into a cookbook per month sounds like a very smart idea. I have too many that sit on the shelves, uncracked for months at a time. Tonight making my first recipe from Carolyn Phillips' All Under Heaven - albeit a simple veggie stir fry. And for pleasure I'm reading Andrea Nguyen's Pho, which is a very short book that's basically some essays on the history, culture, and varieties of pho, followed by some essays about making it, followed by a handful of pho recipes. Also includes tips on how to make your own hoisin sauce, sate sauce, and sriracha, which I might have to try. Andrea Nguyen's previous cookbook, Into The Vietnamese Kitchen, is actually on deck for me later this year. Now I wanna know your full lineup! Her voice is super appealing and obviously deeply knowledgeable - strikes the right balance between "I am an expert and you should listen to me" and "I'm gonna act all buddy-buddy with you." The substitution suggestions are pragmatic. Of course, it's only been in my possession for 24 hours, but the first few chapters of essays were super good.
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Post by pairesta on Mar 2, 2017 14:21:37 GMT -5
Andrea Nguyen's previous cookbook, Into The Vietnamese Kitchen, is actually on deck for me later this year. Now I wanna know your full lineup! Her voice is super appealing and obviously deeply knowledgeable - strikes the right balance between "I am an expert and you should listen to me" and "I'm gonna act all buddy-buddy with you." The substitution suggestions are pragmatic. Of course, it's only been in my possession for 24 hours, but the first few chapters of essays were super good. March: The Foods of Morocco, Paula Wolfert April: Jamie at Home, Jamie Oliver/Notes from the Larder, Nigel Slater May: Street Food of Mexico, Hugo Ortega June: Into the Vietnamese Kitchen, Andrea Nguyen July: Jerusalem, Yotam Ottelenghi, Sami Yamimi August: How To Cook Indian, Sanjeev Kapoor September: Mastering the Art of Chinese Cooking, Eileen Yin-Fei-Lo October: The Food of Spain, Penelope Casas November: Heritage, Sean Brock
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Post by Ron Howard Voice on Mar 2, 2017 15:13:07 GMT -5
Now I wanna know your full lineup! Her voice is super appealing and obviously deeply knowledgeable - strikes the right balance between "I am an expert and you should listen to me" and "I'm gonna act all buddy-buddy with you." The substitution suggestions are pragmatic. Of course, it's only been in my possession for 24 hours, but the first few chapters of essays were super good. March: The Foods of Morocco, Paula Wolfert April: Jamie at Home, Jamie Oliver/Notes from the Larder, Nigel Slater May: Street Food of Mexico, Hugo Ortega June: Into the Vietnamese Kitchen, Andrea Nguyen July: Jerusalem, Yotam Ottelenghi, Sami Yamimi August: How To Cook Indian, Sanjeev Kapoor September: Mastering the Art of Chinese Cooking, Eileen Yin-Fei-Lo October: The Food of Spain, Penelope Casas November: Heritage, Sean Brock Continued book reports will be very, very appreciated. Also I will suggest to Ms. Ron Howard that we start doing this.
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Post by pairesta on Mar 2, 2017 15:27:26 GMT -5
Also I will suggest to Ms. Ron Howard that we start doing this. Um, did I miss something?
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Post by LazBro on Mar 2, 2017 15:29:21 GMT -5
March: The Foods of Morocco, Paula Wolfert April: Jamie at Home, Jamie Oliver/Notes from the Larder, Nigel Slater May: Street Food of Mexico, Hugo Ortega June: Into the Vietnamese Kitchen, Andrea Nguyen July: Jerusalem, Yotam Ottelenghi, Sami Yamimi August: How To Cook Indian, Sanjeev Kapoor September: Mastering the Art of Chinese Cooking, Eileen Yin-Fei-Lo October: The Food of Spain, Penelope Casas November: Heritage, Sean Brock Continued book reports will be very, very appreciated. Also I will suggest to Ms. Ron Howard that we start doing this. I've always meant to ask what your fridge even looks like anymore. I remember Scott Reitz writing about his sad, sad fridge that was near-empty, because he was paid to eat out all the time.
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Post by Ron Howard Voice on Mar 2, 2017 16:05:01 GMT -5
Also I will suggest to Ms. Ron Howard that we start doing this. Um, did I miss something? If you really missed something it would have been Mrs. Snape - it depends week to week. Last week she came over and asked what I had at home to make dinner with. I said, "Lettuce." I've been getting shit for that ever since. This week there was a fairly healthy stash of leftovers for a while, eggplant parm ingredients, some mushrooms, and, uh, maybe the same thing of lettuce. I tend to follow the weekly template of Sunday - cook huge batch of food to make lunches to take to the office Mon-Thu - forage on leftovers or review restaurants Fri-Sat - hang out with friends The really interesting fridge is our photographer, Kathy. She also works with restaurants who hire her to do PR photos, in addition to working with media who hire her to do news story photos. So she winds up with so many leftovers from photoshoots that she literally lives off them.
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Post by Ron Howard Voice on Mar 3, 2017 12:09:55 GMT -5
Tonight making my first recipe from Carolyn Phillips' All Under Heaven - albeit a simple veggie stir fry. It was super delicious, but how could it not be, I guess. "Three Fruits of the Earth," from page 30-40ish. Quick stir fry of eggplant, potato, red bell pepper, garlic, ginger, and green onion. Simple, seductive.
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Post by pairesta on Mar 31, 2017 8:59:07 GMT -5
For March I'm diving into The Food of Morocco by Paula Wolfert. I've had this book for a few years, and but for a burst of cooking I did from it right after I got it, I haven't revisited it since. Hopefully it gets more use. I've handed it over to my daughter to pick some interesting meals to cook together as well. I really respect Paula Wolfert and her contributions to food and cooking. Her previous cookbook, The Slow Mediterranean Kitchen, is one of my favorite cookbooks ever. You'd think that her going back to Morocco, where she made her bones as a writer, would be a no-brainer, but I really struggled with this cookbook. Many of her recipes are needlessly convoluted: one dish called for five separate pots to be used. There's so many extra steps involved, browning something in a pan, then moving it to a larger pot to braise, then at the end fishing out the braising liquid and reducing it in yet another pan. She goes on at length in the book intro about the necessity of using a tagine (cooking vessel) to make a proper tagine (Moroccan braised dish). Yet in her actual recipes, they are written as if the reader does not have a tagine, and thus the need for all the extra pots. I appreciate that, but then she has no directions at all for people (like me) who followed her advice and actually got a tagine. Her couscous recipe is insane, involving three separate steamings, each step followed by spreading the couscous out on a surface, fanning it to cool it, then massaging butter into it. This is certainly authentic, and it's the same recipe as she used when she first wrote about cooking couscous, forty years ago. But I can't believe there's not an acceptable shortcut that she's found and tried somewhere along the way. If I hadn't had so much experience cooking, I'd have been lost or very frustrated with this book and likely turned off on Moroccan cooking altogether as a result. If anything, it's useful for ideas for a dish, but then better to sort out yourself how to make it. Otherwise I can't say this is a recommend.
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Post by pairesta on May 2, 2017 18:32:53 GMT -5
In April my mantra was "simple" cooking, and I used the following books as a template: Jamie at Home, Jamie Oliver Tender, Nigel Slater Notes from the Larder, Nigel Slater
I can't say I was entirely successful, both in sticking to the theme, or using the cookbooks. I've reached a stage where unless I'm on completely new ground, I have to rebel against the recipe. Then again, it seemed to go against these books theme to run to the store if, say, I didn't have an ingredient in one of the recipes, or if I thought it sounded better a different way. Example: at one point I had a huge amount of swiss chard from my mom's garden. I cut the leaves off and cooked them, leaving me with lots of stalks. It seemed wasteful to get rid of them, so I looked through the books. Sure enough in Tender there's a recipe for a swiss chard stalk gratin. I combined that with an asparagus tart recipe from Jamie at Home, using the chard stalks instead of asparagus. It was surprisingly good. So. I feel weird reviewing these three books if I didn't cook so extensively from them. That said, I do really like them. They are inspiring, and provide lots of simple, creative ideas for dishes.
My favorite of the lot is probably Notes From the Larder, which I've recommended around here before. It's organized by month, and so the cooking is arch-seasonal. But Slater has a very engaging writing style, and explains how he came by a certain recipe, or how he satisfies cravings for a certain food, even if it's not entirely authentic. It's fun to just read as a book.
Tender is half a gardening book, half cookbook. Slater focuses on a particular vegetable in each section, first on how to grow it, then what to do with it. (He leans a little too hard on gratins; my only complaint).
Jamie at Home is arranged almost as a hybrid between Slater's two books, going by season, then ingredient. It gets a little lifestyle porn-y in parts (he has his own gardener, for example). But I really like Oliver's accessible, simple style, and this is one of his best works. The cooking show accompanying this is one of my favorite cooking instructional shows of the past decade or so.
All three recommended.
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Post by pairesta on May 2, 2017 18:36:01 GMT -5
May's cooking is Street Food of Mexico by James Beard Award winning (as of today!) chef Hugo Ortega, heading up my favorite Houston restaurant, Hugo's.
Actually the book doesn't lend itself well to concentrated monthlong cooking (I mean, I'm happy to eat tortas every night for a week, but it's probably not advisable), so I may augment with some other Mexican or Tex Mex books in my collection.
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Post by Liz n Dicksgiving on May 3, 2017 9:40:18 GMT -5
Based on your experiences with his books, I'm feeling like I should pull out my copies of "Tender" and "Ripe" and try to keep them on hand for this coming farm/garden/orchard season. My impression had been that they are a little more guideline-y than serious-recipe-y, if that makes any sense, but that's probably the entire point!
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Post by GumTurkeyles on May 3, 2017 9:58:10 GMT -5
May's cooking is Street Food of Mexico by James Beard Award winning (as of today!) chef Hugo Ortega, heading up my favorite Houston restaurant, Hugo's. Actually the book doesn't lend itself well to concentrated monthlong cooking (I mean, I'm happy to eat tortas every night for a week, but it's probably not advisable), so I may augment with some other Mexican or Tex Mex books in my collection. Thanks for pointing out the list. I didn't know it was out, nor did I see the ones from last week. I see one called "The Middle Eastern Vegetarian Cookbook" and I really want to check it out. So thanks again!
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