|
Bread
May 27, 2015 12:59:11 GMT -5
Post by ๐ cahusserole ๐ on May 27, 2015 12:59:11 GMT -5
Does anyone have a good recipe for Jewish rye bread? I have a friend whose birthday is coming up, and it's her favorite, so I'd like to make her a homemade loaf. Poked about a bit on the internet, but figured I'd ask here as well.
General and specific bread-related questions, photos, and comments GO!
|
|
|
Post by pairesta on May 27, 2015 14:14:31 GMT -5
AKA the help us songstarliner thread! As I read this I am munching on a bit of homemade semolina bread with big fat holes in it. Smeared with butter and then some cheese on it for a snack.
|
|
|
Post by NerdInTheBasement on May 28, 2015 7:46:43 GMT -5
Let it be known throughout the land that garlic bread is the most delicious piece of food ever made on God's green Earth.
|
|
LazBro
Prolific Poster
Posts: 10,278
|
Post by LazBro on May 28, 2015 10:12:12 GMT -5
My no-knead artisan bread book has a deli rye recipe that I've never tried. Maybe I'll give it a shot and let you know what I think. I'll have to see what kind of time I've got. The regular crusty loaf style rye out of this book is great for straight eating but a little dense for sandwiches. It has a sandwich version though.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on May 28, 2015 12:04:13 GMT -5
Sorry guys - I haven't had much time to compose a thoughtful response, but I've been thinking about it. In my limited experience with rye breads, I feel like there are two distinct kinds - the americanized standard deli-style rye that you use for reubens that are mostly wheat flour with rye as an adjunct (which can be called Jewish rye, or more often, New York rye) and the old-world sour rye that is made with sometimes as much as 100% dark rye flour (which confusingly is also called Jewish rye). Those sour ryes can be very tricky indeed, and I can't say I've had much luck with them. I mean, they taste amazing to me but are decidedly NOT what customers round here want in bread: dense, crumbly, gummy, and weird(ly wonderful IMHO). We make a deli-style seeded onion rye which sells reasonably well, although not nearly as well as other breads. This website, The Fresh Loaf, is a great resource for recipes and techniques for home bakers - you might want to start there for recipes. Those people over there take bread very seriously indeed. It's awesome. And pairesta I hope you weren't upset about holes in your bread (I'm sure you're not)! Here's a picture from the front page of the Fresh Loaf that looks like great bread to me: It's so disheartening when a customer wants to return a loaf because it has holes in it. Oh god, especially the ciabatta. It's not their fault really - they're accustomed to those supermarket ciabattas.
|
|
|
Bread
May 28, 2015 12:17:57 GMT -5
Post by pairesta on May 28, 2015 12:17:57 GMT -5
And pairesta I hope you weren't upset about holes in your bread (I'm sure you're not)! Here's a picture from the front page of the Fresh Loaf that looks like great bread to me: It's so disheartening when a customer wants to return a loaf because it has holes in it. Oh god, especially the ciabatta. It's not their fault really - they're accustomed to those supermarket ciabattas. Wow I had been led to believe that holes that big (top slice on the right side) were a big no no. I've had a couple loaves lately with holes that big burped right through them. They're a bitch to slice and anything you put on falls through! This batch has nice medium size holes evenly distributed. Every time I cut off a slice I remark on how pretty it is.
|
|
LazBro
Prolific Poster
Posts: 10,278
|
Post by LazBro on May 28, 2015 12:24:56 GMT -5
When I see bread with big holes like that, I dream about how wonderful the crust must be. All the crackly-meets-chewy bits up top. Nirvana.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on May 28, 2015 12:34:39 GMT -5
pairesta scroll down to the bottom of this page about crumb. You're right to think that big holes can spoil a nice sandwich bread, but most artisan bakers strive to create an airy, open crumb - especially in baguettes and of course ciabatta, but also in boules - look at this beauty: I think the holes themselves don't contribute to flavor, but are an indicator of a properly hydrated, rested, and gently-handled loaf which will taste better.
|
|
|
Post by pairesta on May 28, 2015 12:47:45 GMT -5
That looks like the breads I make and it's what I strive for. But for me there's a line between that and a hole so big a hobbit can curl up and nap in it that takes up the middle part of the loaf.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on May 28, 2015 12:52:06 GMT -5
Absolutely. And a big hole in an otherwise tight crumb usually means something has gone wrong.
|
|
Trurl
Shoutbox Elitist
Posts: 7,693
|
Post by Trurl on May 29, 2015 7:44:59 GMT -5
I'll be in my bunk
|
|
|
Post by jerkheadface on Jun 2, 2015 19:29:57 GMT -5
I need to make more bread.
*busts out Bread Bible*
|
|
Baron von Costume
TI Forumite
Like an iron maiden made of pillows... the punishment is decadence!
Posts: 4,683
|
Bread
Jun 4, 2015 12:04:11 GMT -5
Post by Baron von Costume on Jun 4, 2015 12:04:11 GMT -5
I need to learn to make a good ciabatta. That might be my fall project with my new oven(s)
|
|
|
Post by pairesta on Dec 8, 2015 15:37:29 GMT -5
I can't recommend the no-knead method enough. I made okay bread until I tried that and now I'm willing to say my bread's better than all but the most artisinal of bakeries in whatever city I happen to be living in. The big difference with me is, I don't use the dutch oven to bake it in. I just have a stone, and a cast iron skillet on the rack below that I don't mind getting a little banged up. Slide the dough onto the baking stone, toss a handful of icecubes onto the skillet, and 35 minutes later at 465F I have bread with a chocolate brown crust and a wonderful, porous crumb.
|
|
GumTurkeyles
AV Clubber
$10 down, $10 a month, don't you be a turkey
Posts: 3,065
|
Post by GumTurkeyles on Dec 14, 2015 14:24:53 GMT -5
OH MY GOD EVERYONE NEEDS TO DO THE NO-KNEAD THING. I don't know. I see no need to do it.
|
|
GumTurkeyles
AV Clubber
$10 down, $10 a month, don't you be a turkey
Posts: 3,065
|
Post by GumTurkeyles on Dec 15, 2015 7:15:13 GMT -5
I don't know. I see no need to do it. I was GOING to ask you if you wanted to do some sort of tiny NE state meetup to compare breadz, but after this latest outburst, I realized I knead to punish you. Socially! Hey, don't challah at me. I wasn't trying to get a rise out of you. I'm sorry if I floured your experience. At yeast people will learn from my mistake.
|
|
|
Post by Celebith on Dec 31, 2015 16:06:51 GMT -5
|
|
|
Post by Some Kind of Munster on Dec 29, 2016 15:01:26 GMT -5
The Stuffingtacular She-Hulk hereโs my super-easy Whole Wheat Honey Oat Bread recipe as mentioned in the shoutbox. Iโm not much of a measurer so a lot of these amounts are guesstimates. Also, this makes a very dense, heavy bread so be forewarned! 1 cup water 1 egg 1/2 tsp salt 2 tbsp butter or margarine Several seconds of honey freshly squeezed out of a plastic bear (I actually have no idea how much I useโฆ letโs sayโฆ 2 tbsp?) 1 cup rolled oats 2 cups whole wheat flour 1 cup white flour 2-1/2 tsp quick rise yeast Preheat oven to 125ห then turn oven off. Mix all the ingredients together, knead for a few minutes, then cover with a damp cloth and let stand for 10 min (I usually use this time to put away ingredients and grease up a bread pan. I also probably never actually wait 10 min). Knead again for a few more minutes (this is also where I would add 1/2 a cup of craisins and a couple of teaspoons of cinnamon if I was gonna add craisins and cinnamon, or 1/3 cup of pumpkin seeds if so desired). Form into a loaf-ish shape, place in greased bread pan and put in warm but turned-off oven for 1.5 hrs. Remove bread from oven, preheat oven to 350ห. Bake for 30 min. Enjoy!
|
|
|
Post by The Stuffingtacular She-Hulk on Dec 29, 2016 15:15:48 GMT -5
The Stuffingtacular She-Hulk hereโs my super-easy Whole Wheat Honey Oat Bread recipe as mentioned in the shoutbox. Iโm not much of a measurer so a lot of these amounts are guesstimates. Also, this makes a very dense, heavy bread so be forewarned! 1 cup water 1 egg 1/2 tsp salt 2 tbsp butter or margarine Several seconds of honey freshly squeezed out of a plastic bear (I actually have no idea how much I useโฆ letโs sayโฆ 2 tbsp?) 1 cup rolled oats 2 cups whole wheat flour 1 cup white flour 2-1/2 tsp quick rise yeast Preheat oven to 125ห then turn oven off. Mix all the ingredients together, knead for a few minutes, then cover with a damp cloth and let stand for 10 min (I usually use this time to put away ingredients and grease up a bread pan. I also probably never actually wait 10 min). Knead again for a few more minutes (this is also where I would add 1/2 a cup of craisins and a couple of teaspoons of cinnamon if I was gonna add craisins and cinnamon, or 1/3 cup of pumpkin seeds if so desired). Form into a loaf-ish shape, place in greased bread pan and put in warm but turned-off oven for 1.5 hrs. Remove bread from oven, preheat oven to 350ห. Bake for 30 min. Enjoy! YUM! Thank you. I'm going to make a few loaves for my friend's birthday. He'll love it.
|
|
|
Post by Celebith on Feb 28, 2017 0:46:19 GMT -5
I baked this spicy cheese bread today and it looks beautiful. It's for an office potluck tomorrow, though, so I can't slice it up and get pics of the insides yet. I made it once before and it came out okay, but this one looks 10 times better. I used mozzarella and cheddar, because I had a bunch on hand, and I sliced it into something closer to 1/3 inch cubes. and, because imgur seems to hate me today, a link to the photo.
|
|
|
Post by Celebith on Mar 29, 2017 12:14:28 GMT -5
I have to make a 'healthy' item for our potluck tomorrow, so I'm going with english muffin bread with blueberries. I have to use frozen, so I'm letting some thaw today, and I plan to use a recipe similar to this one, with no kneading, just mixing. The key thing is that it has to rise once after mixing and again after putting it into bread pans. Should I just use frozen berries, and not let them thaw? Is it best to add them near the end of mixing, or after the first rise? I'll mess around with both, but if anyone has advice, it would be handy.
|
|
|
Post by The Stuffingtacular She-Hulk on Mar 29, 2017 14:56:48 GMT -5
I have to make a 'healthy' item for our potluck tomorrow, so I'm going with english muffin bread with blueberries. I have to use frozen, so I'm letting some thaw today, and I plan to use a recipe similar to this one, with no kneading, just mixing. The key thing is that it has to rise once after mixing and again after putting it into bread pans. Should I just use frozen berries, and not let them thaw? Is it best to add them near the end of mixing, or after the first rise? I'll mess around with both, but if anyone has advice, it would be handy. Definitely let them thaw first. I think frozen berries would alter the internal temperature of the bread as it bakes too much, and you might wind up with a mess. Add them at the end of mixing and make sure you toss them with a little flour first so they don't all sink to the bottom, and you'll be good to go.
|
|
|
Post by Celebith on Mar 29, 2017 16:45:25 GMT -5
I have to make a 'healthy' item for our potluck tomorrow, so I'm going with english muffin bread with blueberries. I have to use frozen, so I'm letting some thaw today, and I plan to use a recipe similar to this one, with no kneading, just mixing. The key thing is that it has to rise once after mixing and again after putting it into bread pans. Should I just use frozen berries, and not let them thaw? Is it best to add them near the end of mixing, or after the first rise? I'll mess around with both, but if anyone has advice, it would be handy. Definitely let them thaw first. I think frozen berries would alter the internal temperature of the bread as it bakes too much, and you might wind up with a mess. Add them at the end of mixing and make sure you toss them with a little flour first so they don't all sink to the bottom, and you'll be good to go. Thanks! If I have time, I'll try one batch frozen and one thawed. Frozen is going to mess with temps a bit, but thawed is going to add more liquid to the mix. When I made that cheese bread, I wasn't able to keep any at home, so I should make more of this one.
|
|
|
Post by The Stuffingtacular She-Hulk on Mar 29, 2017 21:15:40 GMT -5
Definitely let them thaw first. I think frozen berries would alter the internal temperature of the bread as it bakes too much, and you might wind up with a mess. Add them at the end of mixing and make sure you toss them with a little flour first so they don't all sink to the bottom, and you'll be good to go. Thanks! If I have time, I'll try one batch frozen and one thawed. Frozen is going to mess with temps a bit, but thawed is going to add more liquid to the mix. When I made that cheese bread, I wasn't able to keep any at home, so I should make more of this one. It might be a bit late now, but if you haven't made it yet, why not roast the blueberries on a sheet pan and draw out some of the liquid? I don't think that it'll be too much of a problem, though. Blueberries stay self-contained for the most part when baking.
|
|
|
Post by Celebith on Apr 17, 2017 23:54:37 GMT -5
This weekend, we made banana bread using this recipe. I think it uses more bananas than most banana bread recipes - we ended up putting three large bananas into it. I added about a cup frozen blueberries and put some old chocolate chips on top of it. It looked pretty good when it came out of the oven. It took about 70 minutes to fully bake. We made the batter and poured about a quarter of it into the pan, then folded in the frozen blueberries into the rest of the batter to keep them from sinking to the bottom, which worked pretty well. The bread is very moist and is good as is or toasted. The berries are kept most of their juiciness and didn't leak into the batter all that much. I'd have used mini chips if I had any, but these were still fine. Total prep was pretty simple - I'll probably make a couple of loaves for our next potluck.
|
|
|
Bread
Apr 18, 2017 7:16:17 GMT -5
Post by pairesta on Apr 18, 2017 7:16:17 GMT -5
The re-appearance of this thread reminds me: my wife got me these artisan flours from King Arthur: one was Irish Wheat and one was "First Ash" Flour. I finally decided to do something with them and researched what they were. Irish Wheat is a coarser grind than American Whole Wheat, and even has a bit of the germ in it. "First Ash" is a kind of flour specifically designed to go with rye and other whole grain breads, to keep them moist. I decided to combine them, using my dough starter as the only leavening. I made two loaves.
Without much gluten in them, they spread more than they rose in the oven, so each slice is a very narrow oval. But I really, really liked the flavor. I want to make some again but need to do something about the rise. I could use loaf pans, but I like the crust on a "free form" loaf more. Would they rise more at all if I did it no-knead method style, where I put them in a pre-heated dutch oven?
|
|
LazBro
Prolific Poster
Posts: 10,278
|
Post by LazBro on Apr 18, 2017 7:27:08 GMT -5
This weekend, we made banana bread using this recipe. I think it uses more bananas than most banana bread recipes - we ended up putting three large bananas into it. I added about a cup frozen blueberries and put some old chocolate chips on top of it. It looked pretty good when it came out of the oven. It took about 70 minutes to fully bake. We made the batter and poured about a quarter of it into the pan, then folded in the frozen blueberries into the rest of the batter to keep them from sinking to the bottom, which worked pretty well. The bread is very moist and is good as is or toasted. The berries are kept most of their juiciness and didn't leak into the batter all that much. I'd have used mini chips if I had any, but these were still fine. Total prep was pretty simple - I'll probably make a couple of loaves for our next potluck. That looks really good. I'd like it with the blueberries in there, though the chocolate would do nothing for me (sheesh, you and PET both!). I wasn't blown away by my recent Alton Brown version, so I might give this recipe a try the next time the baking urge strikes.
|
|
|
Post by Pastafarian on Apr 30, 2017 12:22:19 GMT -5
Have any of you tried Portuguese cornbread? (pao de milho) easyportugueserecipes.com/pao-de-milho-portuguese-corn-bread/This isn't the cornbread you get with chili or BBQ that is bright yellow and tends to be sweet. It's more rustic peasant bread (and white). and completely rocks with soup or stew. Though we'd often eat it for breakfast lightly toasted, buttered, and with a good cheese, especially an Azorean one. Anyway I've never baked a loaf of bread (minus one or two in our breadmaker that we no longer use), but am thinking I might give it a shot. It's soooo comfort food for me, that even though I very rarely eat bread anymore it would be great to have some around for a special occasion. Speaking of comfort food, another way we consumed it was broken up into pieces in a bowl, on which hot milk was poured, making it kinda like porridge but kinda like the crouton in a french onion soup. On the side we'd eat a link of linguica (portuguese sausage, similar to chorizo). Sounds bizarre, right? I'd probably choose it as one of my last meals if I knew I had a few days to live.
|
|
|
Post by Powerthirteen on Apr 30, 2017 14:39:00 GMT -5
I have made bread four times in five days. Nothing fancy just experimenting with the variables in the same white bread recipe, pursuing something that can make good sandwiches. It's fun.
|
|
|
Bread
May 1, 2017 15:27:43 GMT -5
Post by pairesta on May 1, 2017 15:27:43 GMT -5
I have made bread four times in five days. Nothing fancy just experimenting with the variables in the same white bread recipe, pursuing something that can make good sandwiches. It's fun. Is there any particular recipe you're using? Have you tried the no knead method? Is everyone here sick of hearing me endorse the no knead method?
|
|