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Post by Post-Lupin on Oct 10, 2015 7:38:45 GMT -5
Overwhelming choice - though there will also be a Stephen King book to be voted on soon.
Been years since I read this... and like a lot of people, I came to it from seeing the (original) film first.
Let's burn this mother down and sew the ashes with salt!
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Post by MrsLangdonAlger on Oct 10, 2015 12:05:42 GMT -5
No one will be able to help us while we're reading it...in the night. In the dark.
My mom and I used to laugh a lot at that party of the movie.
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Post by Creeper on Oct 15, 2015 10:32:19 GMT -5
Should be able to pick it up from the library this very evening!
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Post by Ice Cream Planet on Oct 15, 2015 11:45:45 GMT -5
After I finish Deep Water, hopefully by this weekend, it's my next book. I read the first chapter and immediately fell in love with the story. A lot of the themes are similar to the ones in Hangsaman, but I'm curious to see Jackson play more with straight horror.
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Post by Creeper on Oct 20, 2015 16:40:21 GMT -5
So uhhh, what comes next? When is it appropriate to start talking about ze book?
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Post by Ice Cream Planet on Oct 21, 2015 5:26:28 GMT -5
So uhhh, what comes next? When is it appropriate to start talking about ze book? Why not now?
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Post by MrsLangdonAlger on Oct 21, 2015 7:30:17 GMT -5
I'm getting my copy of this back from Iffy on Friday to start reading. I remember loving one of early bits, about the little girl and her cup full of stars.
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Post by Ice Cream Planet on Oct 25, 2015 4:23:11 GMT -5
I started the book last night and I read half of it in go. It's a spectacular read. Hangsaman was my first Shirley Jackson book, and while brilliant, it was also incredibly dense. In sharp contrast, The Haunting of Hill House is so intelligent but it breezes right alone.
The creepiness though. I knew it was going to be unnerving, but I didn't anticipate so much. Just the way the house was described gave me chills. Calling it 'a house without kindness' is the perfect touch.
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Post by Creeper on Oct 25, 2015 20:19:13 GMT -5
This is my first foray into Shirley Jackson's work and I am thoroughly enjoying it. I'm not very far because I am juggling a few books at the moment and I want to savour the story since it is a quick read. I must say I would rather love a six mile long driveway. So much negativity about the house, maybe the characters deserve their fates, in the immortal words of Clancy Wiggums, "quit badmouthing the house!".
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Post by Creeper on Oct 29, 2015 12:47:18 GMT -5
What a fun, creepy story. I think the last paragraph was completely unnecessary, should've just ended with, "Why are they letting me do this?", but that's my only complaint. I'm going to check out more of her work.
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Post by Paleu on Oct 29, 2015 18:36:08 GMT -5
What a fun, creepy story. I think the last paragraph was completely unnecessary, should've just ended with, "Why are they letting me do this?", but that's my only complaint. I'm going to check out more of her work. If you haven't read "The Lottery", that's a must, despite its high school English pedigree. We Have Always Lived in the Castle is good too, or so I've heard.
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Post by MrsLangdonAlger on Oct 29, 2015 19:39:22 GMT -5
Thoughts from my notes so far:
* I'm keeping track of the number of times "Journeys end in lovers meeting" is said. With about 70 pages left of my copy, I've got 10 times. Jackson in general is a big fan of repetition (being repetitive is her job!), I've noticed. In chapter 6 in particular, it's repeated that Eleanor is a fool and that she is "really afraid". I love it because the way she uses it kind of pulls you into the crazy thoughts that Eleanor is having.
* Nothing beats "whatever walked there, walked alone" for descriptions of houses. The description of why all the angles of the house are off and why everyone gets easily lost in it are a great touch.
* Early on, Dr. Montague, Theo, and Luke are all simply but perfectly described. You get the sense of who they are right away.
* Yup, the paragraph about the cup of stars, where Eleanor is imploring the little girl to insist on refusing to be like everyone else, remains one of my favorite things in any book.
* As Eleanor starts to get to know people, I like that it's hard to tell what is true about how they're treating her and what's in her mind. Since we know she's not very experienced socially, we can't be sure if they're condescending towards her or not. Theo is the first that Eleanor begins to experience negative feelings towards, but is that because Theo is being cruel or unkind to her, or is it just Eleanor's perception and low self esteem?
* So Theo is totally gay or bisexual, right?
* At least twice it's mentioned that someone could crash on that driveway. FORESHADOWING!
It's been a struggle reading this and making notes in the margins, because I'm lending this to Iffy after I'm done and he hasn't read it. I don't want to give things away by accident!
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Post by disqusf3dme on Oct 29, 2015 22:02:23 GMT -5
I think what I liked most about the novel was Eleanor as she felt like an accurate portrayal of someone with some sort of depression or anxiety based issues. The way she would second guess people's intentions, or say something and then internally beat herself up over it, wondering if it was awkward or stupid. There's also that whole part where it's almost like she's being depersonalized and she has this stream of consciousness rant in her head where she has to reaffirm her existence. I think it works well too if you consider it for the "monster as metaphor" angle. Everyone got to the hand part, right? I saw it coming and yet it was still so spine-tingling. I love those kinds of scares.
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Post by Ice Cream Planet on Oct 30, 2015 16:49:08 GMT -5
I think what I liked most about the novel was Eleanor as she felt like an accurate portrayal of someone with some sort of depression or anxiety based issues. The way she would second guess people's intentions, or say something and then internally beat herself up over it, wondering if it was awkward or stupid. There's also that whole part where it's almost like she's being depersonalized and she has this stream of consciousness rant in her head where she has to reaffirm her existence. I think it works well too if you consider it for the "monster as metaphor" angle. Everyone got to the hand part, right? I saw it coming and yet it was still so spine-tingling. I love those kinds of scares. If you haven't read Hangsaman, another novel by Jackson, it's all about a young woman with depression and anxiety who slowly loses her marbles. Jackson does a masterful job at capturing that grey zone between a person's fragile/unraveling mental state and some possible otherworldly dimension. The fact she makes it so palpable and compulsively readable is astonishing.
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Post by Ice Cream Planet on Oct 30, 2015 16:53:46 GMT -5
I finished the book for the first time this week and I can't wait to read it again. I loved Hangsaman, but I love this novel even more. One thing I particularly liked was how Jackson found a balance between the poetic and the straightforward in her prose. She wouldn't belabor her descriptions of the house or its inhabitants, but she still found a way to make it sound poetic. She's particularly good at capturing the atmosphere and ambiguity of Hill House ('it was a house without kindness'). Creeper: I was thinking that too. While the last paragraph did feel a bit tacked on (had it ended with that 'Why are they letting me do this?' would have been audaciously brutal), I did like that she ended on that ambiguous note about Hill House itself: 'Whatever walked there, walked alone.'
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Post by Paleu on Oct 30, 2015 18:25:39 GMT -5
One thing I particularly liked was how Jackson found a balance between the poetic and the straightforward in her prose. She wouldn't belabor her descriptions of the house or its inhabitants, but she still found a way to make it sound poetic. She's particularly good at capturing the atmosphere and ambiguity of Hill House ('it was a house without kindness'). This is one of the things I loved about the book when I first read it and continue to love about it on reread (which I'm just now starting, just finished chapter one). It has a definite depth to it; this is the kind of book that offers a lot to someone inclined towards academic (or non-academic) literary analysis, but is at the same time such a wonderfully entertaining story in and of itself that I could easily recommend it to just about anyone. Truly a category of its own.
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Post by Ice Cream Planet on Oct 30, 2015 18:50:57 GMT -5
One thing I particularly liked was how Jackson found a balance between the poetic and the straightforward in her prose. She wouldn't belabor her descriptions of the house or its inhabitants, but she still found a way to make it sound poetic. She's particularly good at capturing the atmosphere and ambiguity of Hill House ('it was a house without kindness'). This is one of the things I loved about the book when I first read it and continue to love about it on reread (which I'm just now starting, just finished chapter one). It has a definite depth to it; this is the kind of book that offers a lot to someone inclined towards academic (or non-academic) literary analysis, but is at the same time such a wonderfully entertaining story in and of itself that I could easily recommend it to just about anyone. Truly a category of its own. Jackson is a masterfully of blurring genre lines. She makes it look effortless and it's only when you step back and think about it does the full effect of her imagination and intelligence truly sparkle. It's accessible, it's smart, it's creepy as fuck. It's glorious.
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Post by Creeper on Oct 31, 2015 12:49:02 GMT -5
What a fun, creepy story. I think the last paragraph was completely unnecessary, should've just ended with, "Why are they letting me do this?", but that's my only complaint. I'm going to check out more of her work. If you haven't read "The Lottery", that's a must, despite its high school English pedigree. We Have Always Lived in the Castle is good too, or so I've heard.They are both in the collection I picked up. I'm reading We Have Always Lived in the Castle at the moment, and will give the lottery a go next.
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Post by Creeper on Oct 31, 2015 12:52:17 GMT -5
* So Theo is totally gay or bisexual, right? She has to be, right? At first I thought she was gay for Eleanor, but I guess it turns out no ones gay for Eleanor....cept maybe the house. I was totally confused when Theo starting gallivanting around with Luke.
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Post by Roy Batty's Pet Dove on Nov 2, 2015 18:53:51 GMT -5
Um, so I never got around to reading this (sorry about that), but I was wondering if we were planning to have a book club book for November/December?
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Post by Post-Lupin on Nov 3, 2015 8:00:07 GMT -5
Um, so I never got around to reading this (sorry about that), but I was wondering if we were planning to have a book club book for November/December? Sure: I jumped in when there wasn't an October one, so you go right ahead & set it up.
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Post by MrsLangdonAlger on Nov 27, 2015 14:05:13 GMT -5
I listened to the We Hate Movies on the movie The Haunting yesterday and it made me so irrationally angry to remember how the movie just got the whole spirit (pun intended) and tone of the book all wrong.
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Post by Roy Batty's Pet Dove on Nov 8, 2017 20:29:09 GMT -5
I listened to the We Hate Movies on the movie The Haunting yesterday and it made me so irrationally angry to remember how the movie just got the whole spirit (pun intended) and tone of the book all wrong. Sorry to revive a two year old thread, but I just finished reading The Haunting of Hill House this morning, and then remembered that it had been a book club thread here ages ago. I remember happening across a used Penguin Classics copy of the book back around the time this book came out, passing on buying it, and then spending a good year pissed off at myself as I searched in vain for used copies of any of Jackson's books after I read We Have Always Lived in the Castle (for another TI Book Club) a few months later. Anyway, when I finally did find a copy, it was an edition that had been renamed The Haunting after the (presumably) shitty 1999 adaptation of the film, and had one of those shitty, tacky "Now a Major Motion Picture!" covers, and the blurb on the back mentioned the cast of the (presumably) shitty 1999 film adaptation, including the fact that Liam Neeson and Owen Wilson were in it, but I bought it anyway, because I'd been looking for anything Jackson wrote for ages by this point. So periodically, as I was reading this masterpiece of 20th Century literature, I would occasionally picture Dr. Montague as having Neeson's voice or Luke as looking like Owen Wilson, and I'd be immensely annoyed with myself and Dreamworks because if there's a book where I really don't want my head-canon to include any of the characters looking like Liam Neeson or Owen Wilson, it's probably this one.
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Post by Roy Batty's Pet Dove on Nov 8, 2017 22:31:17 GMT -5
To reply to a two-year old thread, as I mentioned in the comment above, I just finished reading The Haunting of Hill House this morning (after reading a couple of Jackson's other novels and a bunch of her short stories in October), and I thought it was fantastic. One thing I really appreciate about having read some of her (still brilliant) earlier work is how Jackson's writing style evolved over time, from the very dense prose of Hangsaman (I haven't read her first novel, The Road Through the Wall yet) to the more minimalist prose of The Haunting of Hill House and We Have Always Lived in the Castle. Both styles are brilliant, but it's amazing how incredibly beautiful the prose of her last two novels is and how perfectly written just about every sentence of the book is. There's not really even any like stray sentences that I can point to and say as being inelegantly phrased. So the book is just a joy to read on a purely aesthetic level. Beyond that, while I think Icecream Planet's two year old comment about how quickly the book reads, I feel like there's a lot to unpack in this book, probably more so than any of Jackson's novels, and I think this is going to be a book that I will end up rereading a lot. On a fairly surface level, it's a good horror novel that doesn't rely on cheap scares that have no point to them besides being frightening. More sustantively, the characters are incredibly well realized. As MLA noted earlier in the thread, Jackson's initial descriptions of Dr. Montague, Theodora, and Luke are all brilliant, and each do a fantastic job of summing up so much about them in just a few sentences each, and yet all three prove to be interesting, complex characters beyond those brilliant initial sketches. But it's the exploration of Eleanor's psyche which is probably the most brilliant aspect of the book. As in all of the her novels that I've read, Jackson does a masterful job of making you empathize with her characters, in spite of their detachment from reality, inability to interact with other people in a healthy manner, and (especially in the case of We Have Always Lived in the Castle) their own ugly and disturbing attitudes towards other people, and this is especially true of Eleanor. Her oscillations between being happier than she's ever been and entirely at ease with the people she sees as her new friends at Hill House, alternating with the inevitable panic and dread following every encounter with said friends that she's made a fool of herself is heartbreaking, and rings really true to life (also, MLA's point about how we can't fully trust Eleanor's perceptions of how the others are treating her because of how bad she is at interpreting social interactions is a really good one, and reminds me of We Have Always Lived in the Castle, which does the same thing with its main character). It's even more heartbreaking, when, finally, she is rejected by the others at the end of the book, and ultimately evicted from Hill House. (As an aside, while she spends the vast majority of the book inside of Eleanor's head, Jackson's initial description of Eleanor is no less pithy than her description of the other main characters. Here are the first three sentences written about her: "Eleanor Vance was thirty-two years old when she came to Hill House. The only person in the world she genuinely hated, now thather mother was dead, was her sister. She disliked her broher-in-law and her five-year-old niece, and she had no friends." It's equally depressing and hilarious, but it's also a simple statement of facts that nevertheless sums up a lot of importance about Eleanor to this point in her life.) But there's definitely a lot more going on in the book than just an exploration of Eleanor's psyche. All of Jackson's novels that I've read explore events and feelings which are kept unsaid and repressed. On one level, the main character always has some sort of terrible even that they are trying to avoid thinking about (in this case, it's Eleanor's guilt over not having brought her mother her medicine on the night that she died), and it's about an exploration of the human psyche. But you can interpret this on a number of other levels. Like Hill House can be seen as a metaphor for a deeply inhumane American society which is fundamentally inhumane on a structural level. The idea of a structurally suspect building being allowed to remain standing with at best cosmetic and ineffectual attempts to fix its issues is a recurring motif in Jackson's writing (it's very hard to read the first paragraph of The Bird's Nest, for example, and not see it as a commentary on American society, at least in the year 2017). So the wholly inadequately addressed issues with Hill House, be it the hauntings or the disorienting nature of the geometry of the house's structure itself, can be seen as a commentary on structural iniquities left unaddressed or at the very least insufficiently amended in American society. You can also definitely analyze the book through the lens of Eleanor's and Theodora's relationship. I agree with MLA, it seems like Theodora (and also Eleanor) are either gay or bisexual. So in keeping with the book's theme of things being hidden and left unsaid, the house can be seen as a sort of metaphor for being closeted. While the gender of Theodora's friend back home is left unclear, as is the nature of her relationship with this friend. Furthermore, later on in the book, when Eleanor states that she intends to come and live with Theodora, Theodora responds, "Look"..."this is just a summer, just a few weeks' visit to a lovely old summer resort in the country. You have your life back home, I have my life. When the summer is over, we go back. We'll write each other, of course, and maybe visit, but Hill House is not forever, you know." Of course, it's ambiguous as to what Theodora actually means here. She may genuinely not be interested in Eleanor at all, or maybe she is interested in her but is understandably taken aback by her announcing her intention (without even asking Theodora's opinion on the matter) for them to live together after they've known each other for only about a week. On the other hand, Theodora's statement can be seen as her saying that their relationship must be kept a secret, impermanent, and fleeting thing.
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