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Post by Return of the Thin Olive Duke on Nov 29, 2015 23:14:37 GMT -5
Fictional Interviewer: So why pick "Do They Know It's Christmas?"
MP: I work in retail, and they've been playing a lot of Christmas songs lately. It's been educational. Did you know Nickelback had a Christmas song? I wish I didn't. But then I heard this song on the loudspeaker, and was just horrified.
FI: Horrified?
MP: Yeah, well, it's not really a joyous seasonal kind of song. My mom, who hates Christmas songs generally, has always particularly disliked the continued playing of "Have Yourself a Merry Little Christmas," which is a very sad song, not just because of its connection with the generally tragic Judy Garland, but because it's a well-wish to our troops as they were getting blown up in the Ardennes.
"Do They Know It's Christmas" compounds that kind of unfortunate implications. It's a not only depressing, but mean-spirited, very sincerely mean-spirited. Why would you want your customers to listen to that?
FI: In fairness, it was a charity single, so it did some good.
MP: It's terrible at being a charity single. I studied propaganda theory in film school, and the biggest mistake that you can make in propaganda is preaching, because it'll immediately turn people against you and basically only exists to make the propagandist feel good. And of course most propaganda preaches, and accordingly fails. You know what's worse than preaching? Insulting the audience. When they say "well, tonight thank God it's them instead of you," they're saying "fuck you for not suffering, even though you presumably bought this single." Does that put you in a charitable mood? It's the kind of weak, petulant attitude you normally expect from a Pure Flix movie or a middle schooler ranting on Tumblr, except it's about a real tragedy.
And that's another thing: it's a charity single for a crisis that has long passed. "Have Yourself a Merry Little Christmas" may have been born out of WWII, but it still works in a broader context. Meanwhile, "Do They Know It's Christmas" is way too specific, they sing "It won't be snowing in Africa." If we're going to keep playing this song during Christmas, why not also play "Over There" or "Ballad of the Green Berets" or something?
They're wrong, by the way; it snows in the Atlas Mountains, South Africa, and the mountains of Ethiopia and the Virungas. And of course much of Africa is Christian, including Ethiopia, which was where the famine was that provoked the single. So with that, and really hammering in the pathos of those poor Africans in "Africa" incapable of happiness on any level, they're also demonstrating their ignorance. They might as well be singing Mitchell and Webb's Gilbert and Sullivan parody "Bongo Bongo Land."
FI: And yet it was a huge hit.
MP: Well, people knew it was for a good cause. It's the continued popularity that befuddles me. Why would anyone want to listen to this if they didn't feel obliged to? And I've yet to meet anyone who actually likes it. It exists because it exists. There was once a time in the music industry when you could force this shit on people, and the fact that we still have to put up with that is, I guess, a holdover from that era.
FI: Any final thoughts?
MP: No.
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Post by Lone Locust of the Apocalypse on Nov 30, 2015 3:18:17 GMT -5
Bold choice.
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Post by Post-Lupin on Nov 30, 2015 7:29:21 GMT -5
I cannot upvote this sentiment enough.
As a microcosm of its awfulness: Bono screaming "Tonight thank God it's them instead of you!". Fuck off, Bonio.
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Post by Douay-Rheims-Challoner on Nov 30, 2015 10:05:00 GMT -5
I had half a mind to write a Hatesong about Fairytale of New York (which is everywhere here this time of year) but I realised I only really have two or three very angry paragraphs in me. This'll do, Monty; this'll do.
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Post by Return of the Thin Olive Duke on Nov 30, 2015 11:36:52 GMT -5
I had half a mind to write a Hatesong about Fairytale of New York (which is everywhere here this time of year) but I realised I only really have two or three very angry paragraphs in me. This'll do, Monty; this'll do. I'm not familiar. Is it like "The Christmas Shoes" where it's inescapable for some people but totally unheard of for others?
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Post by Dellarigg on Nov 30, 2015 11:45:37 GMT -5
I'll happily listen to Fairytale Of New York all year round. It's more a song that has Christmas as a backdrop than an out-and-out Christmas song. Granted, I'm not in Ireland. And it's reasonably annoying when you hear people sing the 'I could've been someone/Well so could anyone' lines as though they're the most joyous thing imaginable. But that's on them, not the song.
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Post by Prole Hole on Nov 30, 2015 12:02:43 GMT -5
Could not agree with the sentiment behind this more, Return of the Thin Olive Duke The problem with this song is that it basically fails on absolutely every level. It's hectoring when it should be persuasive. It's crude when it should be subtle. It's horribly produced (those fucking sleigh-bells). Everyone involved seems to think just turning up is enough. Bono. It's exceedingly patronising. It has a lyric which... I mean simplistic doesn't even begin to cover it. The video. Don't even get me started about how few of the stars involved actually put their hand in their pocket to contribute hard cash rather than "their precious time". Pictures Of Starving Children Sell Records, indeed. The whole lot of them can just fuck right off, and take this fucking single with them.
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Post by Prole Hole on Nov 30, 2015 12:04:41 GMT -5
The absolute worst Christmas song is either "Happy Xmas (War Is Over)" or "Wonderful Christmastime." "Do They Know It's Christmas" is pretty fucking bad, though. Jingle Bell Rock, hands down. They're number two and three, though.
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Post by Jimmy James on Nov 30, 2015 12:13:33 GMT -5
The absolute worst Christmas song is either "Happy Xmas (War Is Over)" or "Wonderful Christmastime." "Do They Know It's Christmas" is pretty fucking bad, though. "Wonderful Christmastime" is terrible, though it did give us this: The clip is short, but it's looped twice, I suppose to adequately capture the infuriating repetitiveness of the original.
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Post by Post-Lupin on Nov 30, 2015 20:36:32 GMT -5
At least we can agree the best Xmas song is this one...
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Post by Jean-Luc Lemur on Nov 30, 2015 21:02:36 GMT -5
The absolute worst Christmas song is either "Happy Xmas (War Is Over)" or "Wonderful Christmastime." "Do They Know It's Christmas" is pretty fucking bad, though. Jingle Bell Rock, hands down. They're number two and three, though. Aww, I have a soft spot for The Electric Mayhem’s version:
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Post by Meth Lab Shenanigans on Nov 30, 2015 23:53:07 GMT -5
I cannot upvote this sentiment enough. As a microcosm of its awfulness: Bono screaming "Tonight thank God it's them instead of you!". Fuck off, Bonio. In his defense, he apparently said "I'll sing any line but that one" when he turned up, but Geldof guilted him into it.
I have distinct memories of hearing this song around Christmastime every year as a kid. My parents found it unintentionally hilarious, whereas I unironically enjoyed it. Now I can see how terrible the lyrics are, but I do think the melody of the "feed the world, let them know it's Christmastime" bit is quite lovely. Fortunately, Vampire Weekend's "Ottoman" features a very similar melody, and has the added benefit of actually being a really, really good song.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2015 1:36:42 GMT -5
Aww, I love this song. (Of course I do.)
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Post by Post-Lupin on Dec 1, 2015 5:33:11 GMT -5
I cannot upvote this sentiment enough. As a microcosm of its awfulness: Bono screaming "Tonight thank God it's them instead of you!". Fuck off, Bonio. In his defense, he apparently said "I'll sing any line but that one" when he turned up, but Geldof guilted him into it. ... but I do think the melody of the "feed the world, let them know it's Christmastime" bit is quite lovely.Whereas I find it one of the more monstrous of earworms. Catchy does not equal beauty.
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Post by monodrone on Dec 1, 2015 10:04:06 GMT -5
I hate that song but the worst thing is about it is the pair of horrorshow retreads that have come out since to keep it in everyone's minds and ears and serve as a reminder as to who was prominent in British pop culture in 2004 and 2014.
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Post by pairesta on Dec 1, 2015 10:04:22 GMT -5
Speaking of preachy Christmas songs, does anybody know or remember the one about Santa visiting the marine who was dying because people didn't support the troops enough? Narrated by this really angry, kinda drunk sounding pastor. It was, not surprisingly, huge during the Bush era but has thankfully receded in the years since. I remember just being actively offended by it when I heard it the first time.
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Post by Pastafarian on Dec 1, 2015 10:19:58 GMT -5
I cannot upvote this sentiment enough. As a microcosm of its awfulness: Bono screaming "Tonight thank God it's them instead of you!". Fuck off, Bonio. My second favorite cursing at a rock star after "Hey, fuck you Rick Springfield!"
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Post by Pedantic Editor Type on Dec 1, 2015 13:55:16 GMT -5
"When they say "well, tonight thank God it's them instead of you," they're saying "fuck you for not suffering, even though you presumably bought this single." Does that put you in a charitable mood? It's the kind of weak, petulant attitude you normally expect from a Pure Flix movie or a middle schooler ranting on Tumblr, except it's about a real tragedy."
I always took that line as supposed to be meaning "be thankful it's not you" but there's so much sneering condescension, I've always hated the "there but for the grace of God go I" attitude. It implies that god doesn't care about poor brown people.
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Post by Dellarigg on Dec 1, 2015 14:13:05 GMT -5
"When they say "well, tonight thank God it's them instead of you," they're saying "fuck you for not suffering, even though you presumably bought this single." Does that put you in a charitable mood? It's the kind of weak, petulant attitude you normally expect from a Pure Flix movie or a middle schooler ranting on Tumblr, except it's about a real tragedy." I always took that line as supposed to be meaning "be thankful it's not you" but there's so much sneering condescension, I've always hated the "there but for the grace of God go I" attitude. It implies that god doesn't care about poor brown people. A non-Christian friend once asked me (a Christian by default, certainly non-practising) how Christians reconciled the fact of the suffering of Africa with a God worthy of worship. After racking my brains, I mumbled something about how we were supposed to be our brother's keeper. In short, I told him that an entire continent was in misery just so we could prove something about ourselves. He looked kind of bemused by that point of view, which was fair enough.
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Post by Mrs David Tennant on Dec 1, 2015 14:55:43 GMT -5
I pretty much hate all Christmas music. The only exception I will make is Christmas music sung by a choir at midnight mass. But that's the only exception!
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Post by idiotking on Dec 1, 2015 15:21:23 GMT -5
I will happily step in to defend Happy Xmas (War is Over), whose only major failing, to me, is the fucking awful titling, which only really worked on the billboard, if anywhere.
I will also defend, as almost the sole musically noteworthy exception in the charity song pantheon, "We Are the World", which is MJ and Quincy in their prime, pumping out a legitimately great melody that manages to thread the needle wonderfully between being somber and being inspiring.
"Do They Know It's Christmas," however, is a horrid failure on almost every level. Certainly it fails as both a Christmas song AND as a charity song. I have a feeling, on some level, Bono realized this and has been trying desperately to repent ever since. But no, nothing he can do amidst his still-frequent bouts of egomania can ever make up for this. I mean, remember last year when he wiped out on his bike and wrecked his arm and mangled himself? Yeah, if I'd been there and run to help him in the park, and then seen it was Bono, I'd have said, "Well, this is what you get for 'Do They Know It's Christmas,' asshole." Then I'd punch his broken arm. THEN I'd call 911.
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Post by Jean-Luc Lemur on Dec 1, 2015 22:39:11 GMT -5
Speaking of preachy Christmas songs, does anybody know or remember the one about Santa visiting the marine who was dying because people didn't support the troops enough? Narrated by this really angry, kinda drunk sounding pastor. It was, not surprisingly, huge during the Bush era but has thankfully receded in the years since. I remember just being actively offended by it when I heard it the first time. There’s nothing about this that doesn’t sound drunk and angry.
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Post by Tellyfier on Dec 2, 2015 4:37:21 GMT -5
There's truly a lot of bad Christmas Music. Fortunately we all agree this is the worst of them all.
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Post by ganews on Dec 2, 2015 8:22:52 GMT -5
The worst Christmas song is by whatever starlet is covering "Santa Baby" any given year.
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Post by Not a real doctor on Dec 2, 2015 12:43:44 GMT -5
There's truly a lot of bad Christmas Music. Fortunately we all agree this is the worst of them all. Unfortunately, you're completely wrong. Also, this video is every bit as awesome as I could have imagined it to be.
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Post by haysoos on Dec 2, 2015 13:33:16 GMT -5
Secular Christmas songs are almost universally terrible. About the only exception is Bob & Doug's version of Twelve Days.
I love the classic Christmas carols ("Hark Hear the Bells" and anything that starts with "O" are the best), but pretty much everything written after 1900 is crap.
"Do They Know It's Christmas" just pisses me off to no end. For me, one of the worst affronts is that it is co-written by Bob Geldof. I love Sir Bob. His album Vegetarians of Love is genuinely one of my favourite albums of all time. "The Great Song of Indifference" is the perfect ironic counter to every insipid element of the stupid Band-Aid song. Plus it has a great video!
It's hard to believe that both those songs came out of the same pen. I wonder how much Geldof hates hearing that stupid song every year.
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Post by clytie on Dec 2, 2015 13:39:08 GMT -5
The worst Christmas song is "Under My Tree" by NSync. A song about having sex under the Christmas tree, which includes the line; "I wish that Santa could be here to see"
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Post by Post-Lupin on Dec 2, 2015 16:38:01 GMT -5
Oh, and I should share this: the British 70s kid's comedy troupe The Goodies made a Xmas song which, by simply removing one word in the refrain at a time, tells a terrifying tale of a sexually predatory Santa.
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Post by Ben Grimm on Dec 2, 2015 18:24:46 GMT -5
I worked at Wal-Mart as an undergrad, including three Christmases.
I hate nearly all Christmas songs as a result.
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Post by WKRP Jimmy Drop on Dec 2, 2015 22:49:37 GMT -5
In Oklahoma City, you know it's the Christmas season when you see this commercial:
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