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Post by heroboy on Mar 9, 2017 15:16:34 GMT -5
The CBC is reporting that Kevin O'Leary is basically tied right now in the leadership race for the Conservative Party of Canada. I mean, there is no way he can take down Trudeau without something seriously wrong happening up here but damn, this shit is getting obnoxious.
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Post by Jean-Luc Lemur on Mar 14, 2017 11:33:24 GMT -5
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Post by Desert Dweller on Mar 15, 2017 2:14:29 GMT -5
So, when our wacko right wing state legislators got tired of the state Supreme Court overturning their pointless laws, they and the governor teamed up to expand the court from 5 to 7 members so that the governor could appoint 2 new GOP judges, thereby tipping the balance.
Ha ha, joke's on them! The Chamber of Commerce (spurred on by the GOP legislature) sued over the voters passing a minimum wage initiative. The state Attorney General (GOP) actually did his job and defended the will of the voters. The now-GOP stacked state Supreme Court rejected the lawsuit and said the voter-passed minimum wage increase is legal.
Suck it, businesses! And you, too, state legislature. Never forget, it was your dumbass law forbidding individual cities from enacting higher standards than the state that did this. If you had let cities make their own rules, then only the wealthier cities would have passed the minimum wage increase. So, you can all just shut up about how this hurts the rural parts of the state. Should have thought about that before you told cities they couldn't do this independently.
So far this year, the legislature has killed a bill that would allow guns in public buildings, and killed another bill that would have allowed protesters to be charged with racketeering and have their assets seized. Now the GOP has lost a bid to overturn the voter's will to raise the minimum wage.
2017 is officially the year when the Federal government became crazier than AZ state politics.
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Post by Pastafarian on Mar 17, 2017 21:18:17 GMT -5
I have a vague understanding of what has been and is going on in Syria but am looking to better understand the situation. Can anyone recommend a book or books I should check out? I've placed "Syrian Dust Reporting From the Heart of the Battle for Aleppo" and "The Morning They Came for Us Dispatches From Syria" based on some stuff I saw online when I Googled best books on Syrian Civil War. Are there any others you may have come across that I should be looking into?
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Post by Lord Lucan on Mar 26, 2017 3:46:46 GMT -5
I have a vague understanding of what has been and is going on in Syria but am looking to better understand the situation. Can anyone recommend a book or books I should check out? I've placed "Syrian Dust Reporting From the Heart of the Battle for Aleppo" and "The Morning They Came for Us Dispatches From Syria" based on some stuff I saw online when I Googled best books on Syrian Civil War. Are there any others you may have come across that I should be looking into? I think of searching more out on occasion myself. I wish I knew of a very steady source of news online on overall ongoing developments as well. I haven't read this in full, but intend to: books.google.ca/books?id=F7AwjwEACAAJ&dq=rojava&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiW4Pvz4vPSAhXI44MKHeI_DIoQ6AEIGjAA
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Post by Pastafarian on Mar 26, 2017 9:59:50 GMT -5
I have a vague understanding of what has been and is going on in Syria but am looking to better understand the situation. Can anyone recommend a book or books I should check out? I've placed "Syrian Dust Reporting From the Heart of the Battle for Aleppo" and "The Morning They Came for Us Dispatches From Syria" based on some stuff I saw online when I Googled best books on Syrian Civil War. Are there any others you may have come across that I should be looking into? I think of searching more out on occasion myself. I wish I knew of a very steady source of news online on overall ongoing developments as well. I haven't read this in full, but intend to: books.google.ca/books?id=F7AwjwEACAAJ&dq=rojava&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiW4Pvz4vPSAhXI44MKHeI_DIoQ6AEIGjAAThanks, that looks great!
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Post by Lord Lucan on Mar 26, 2017 14:24:32 GMT -5
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Post by Lord Lucan on Mar 26, 2017 22:10:08 GMT -5
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Post by Pastafarian on Mar 27, 2017 7:58:14 GMT -5
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Post by Lord Lucan on Mar 27, 2017 11:51:00 GMT -5
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Post by Jean-Luc Lemur on Mar 29, 2017 13:16:08 GMT -5
I get the feeling “automation is about to cause mass unemployment” is in the same category as “the dollar will collapse” prognostications during the Bush era and “Runaway inflation is just around the corner” during the Obama years: a hypothetical economic apocalypse that mainly seems likely if you ignore a lot of macroeconomic data but becomes something of a shibboleth among people who skim The Economist.
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Post by ganews on Apr 1, 2017 20:42:56 GMT -5
The possible outcomes, to the leftier-than-thou:
If Trump's administration makes this country a true hellhole far beyond the shit that the worst-off are accustomed to eating already, it will be the Democrats' fault for not stopping him with their legislative minority, regardless of their effort or lack thereof.
If Trump's administration makes the country and its inhabitants only moderately worse off than they've been in the past fifty years, either because of successful Democratic pushback or the administration's own ineptitude, it will be proof that there's not a dime's worth of difference between the parties.
If Trump's administration defies all clear signs leading up to this point and attempts to make the country a more fair, just, etc. place (yeah right), even though the Republican majority and Freedom Caucus would no more allow alternate-universe-liberal-Trump to pass progressive legislation than a Democrat, it will be proof that only revolutionaries outside the Democratic party establishment have the interests of the people at heart.
If Trump dies or is removed from office (by a Republican Congress) too soon to make reasonable progress toward another outcome, it will be proof that Democrats were too spineless to get the job done themselves.
If Trump is removed from office (by a post-2018 Democratic Congress) too soon to complete progress toward the first three outcomes, it will be proof that Democrats care only about hollow political victory and are satisfied having Pence in office.
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Post by Lord Lucan on Apr 2, 2017 16:39:02 GMT -5
The possible outcomes, to the leftier-than-thou: If Trump's administration makes this country a true hellhole far beyond the shit that the worst-off are accustomed to eating already, it will be the Democrats' fault for not stopping him with their legislative minority, regardless of their effort or lack thereof. If Trump's administration makes the country and its inhabitants only moderately worse off than they've been in the past fifty years, either because of successful Democratic pushback or the administration's own ineptitude, it will be proof that there's not a dime's worth of difference between the parties. If Trump's administration defies all clear signs leading up to this point and attempts to make the country a more fair, just, etc. place (yeah right), even though the Republican majority and Freedom Caucus would no more allow alternate-universe-liberal-Trump to pass progressive legislation than a Democrat, it will be proof that only revolutionaries outside the Democratic party establishment have the interests of the people at heart. If Trump dies or is removed from office (by a Republican Congress) too soon to make reasonable progress toward another outcome, it will be proof that Democrats were too spineless to get the job done themselves. If Trump is removed from office (by a post-2018 Democratic Congress) too soon to complete progress toward the first three outcomes, it will be proof that Democrats care only about hollow political victory and are satisfied having Pence in office. As someone very glad to identify with, broadly speaking, a long anti-capitalist tradition actually meriting the term 'Left', I hope without the added conceit or appearance thereof you refer to, I will say that while the judgment of some with otherwise congenial views might be trammelled by an 'abstract maximalism' (as someone had it), divorced from present, limiting conditions, let us not prescind fom the demonstrable reality that the DP is an anti-popular shell, intellectually desolated, enthrall to corporate subsidy, and too yoked to a neoliberal agenda to even propound the anemic welfare capitalism and business unionism that prevailed before the Carter Administration. Let them make the least attempt to renew that somewhat less brazenly illegitimate social contract, and then we can judge the justice of the responses to it.
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Post by Jean-Luc Lemur on Apr 2, 2017 16:50:50 GMT -5
I think one big issue with identifying political ideologies and arguments today is that you can always find dumb twitter randos for every position and say they’re somehow indicative of whatever you’re arguing against.
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Post by ganews on Apr 2, 2017 18:23:53 GMT -5
The possible outcomes, to the leftier-than-thou: If Trump's administration makes this country a true hellhole far beyond the shit that the worst-off are accustomed to eating already, it will be the Democrats' fault for not stopping him with their legislative minority, regardless of their effort or lack thereof. If Trump's administration makes the country and its inhabitants only moderately worse off than they've been in the past fifty years, either because of successful Democratic pushback or the administration's own ineptitude, it will be proof that there's not a dime's worth of difference between the parties. If Trump's administration defies all clear signs leading up to this point and attempts to make the country a more fair, just, etc. place (yeah right), even though the Republican majority and Freedom Caucus would no more allow alternate-universe-liberal-Trump to pass progressive legislation than a Democrat, it will be proof that only revolutionaries outside the Democratic party establishment have the interests of the people at heart. If Trump dies or is removed from office (by a Republican Congress) too soon to make reasonable progress toward another outcome, it will be proof that Democrats were too spineless to get the job done themselves. If Trump is removed from office (by a post-2018 Democratic Congress) too soon to complete progress toward the first three outcomes, it will be proof that Democrats care only about hollow political victory and are satisfied having Pence in office. As someone very glad to identify with, broadly speaking, a long anti-capitalist tradition actually meriting the term 'Left', I hope without the added conceit or appearance thereof you refer to, I will say that while the judgment of some with otherwise congenial views might be trammelled by an 'abstract maximalism' (as someone had it), divorced from present, limiting conditions, let us not prescind fom the demonstrable reality that the DP is an anti-popular shell, intellectually desolated, enthrall to corporate subsidy, and too yoked to a neoliberal agenda to even propound the anemic welfare capitalism and business unionism that prevailed before the Carter Administration. Let them make the least attempt to renew that somewhat less brazenly illegitimate social contract, and then we can judge the justice of the responses to it. Yes exactly, the whole point is that there is certain level of ideologue (of every political persuasion, but here I mean my own Left) for which no level of accomplishment could ever be enough. If the Democratic establishment doesn't do A, it is meaningless that they accomplished B, and therefore they are no better than the Right who would impose Z. The lesser of two evils is the most evil thing of all, even if the lesser evil is more like a far-from-perfect system that incrementally (also evil!) improves.
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Post by Lord Lucan on Apr 3, 2017 0:09:11 GMT -5
As someone very glad to identify with, broadly speaking, a long anti-capitalist tradition actually meriting the term 'Left', I hope without the added conceit or appearance thereof you refer to, I will say that while the judgment of some with otherwise congenial views might be trammelled by an 'abstract maximalism' (as someone had it), divorced from present, limiting conditions, let us not prescind fom the demonstrable reality that the DP is an anti-popular shell, intellectually desolated, enthrall to corporate subsidy, and too yoked to a neoliberal agenda to even propound the anemic welfare capitalism and business unionism that prevailed before the Carter Administration. Let them make the least attempt to renew that somewhat less brazenly illegitimate social contract, and then we can judge the justice of the responses to it. Yes exactly, the whole point is that there is certain level of ideologue (of every political persuasion, but here I mean my own Left) for which no level of accomplishment could ever be enough. If the Democratic establishment doesn't do A, it is meaningless that they accomplished B, and therefore they are no better than the Right who would impose Z. The lesser of two evils is the most evil thing of all, even if the lesser evil is more like a far-from-perfect system that incrementally (also evil!) improves. I find this debate very interesting, though more so as it's always been debated amongst echt socialists, i.e. those who actually conceive their task, however best achieved, as ovecoming the capitalist social fomation, and not amongst liberals and centists who don't have any such goal. That's no minor distinction. Would a Clinton administation have effected some progess? Undoubtedly, and yet would it in fact be incremental towad a post-capitalist society or, as DP administations have ever been, a safety valve for labour militancy and a means to domesticate and undermine its revolutionay potential? There can be no doubt (not that much oganized labou is left to be tamed). And yet abstentionism of the kind that sees the extreme right take power, in the abscence of any reolutionay preconditions, has hardly had salutary outcomes either. You might be interested in this, as I was, which is a thoughtful proposal fo a via media between absorption into the DP dead-end and a naive refusal to temporarily cooperate with it at all.
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Post by ganews on Apr 3, 2017 7:16:45 GMT -5
Yes exactly, the whole point is that there is certain level of ideologue (of every political persuasion, but here I mean my own Left) for which no level of accomplishment could ever be enough. If the Democratic establishment doesn't do A, it is meaningless that they accomplished B, and therefore they are no better than the Right who would impose Z. The lesser of two evils is the most evil thing of all, even if the lesser evil is more like a far-from-perfect system that incrementally (also evil!) improves. I find this debate very interesting, though more so as it's always been debated amongst echt socialists, i.e. those who actually conceive their task, however best achieved, as ovecoming the capitalist social fomation, and not amongst liberals and centists who don't have any such goal. That's no minor distinction. Would a Clinton administation have effected some progess? Undoubtedly, and yet would it in fact be incremental towad a post-capitalist society or, as DP administations have ever been, a safety valve for labour militancy and a means to domesticate and undermine its revolutionay potential? There can be no doubt (not that much oganized labou is left to be tamed). And yet abstentionism of the kind that sees the extreme right take power, in the abscence of any reolutionay preconditions, has hardly had salutary outcomes either. You might be interested in this, as I was, which is a thoughtful proposal fo a via media between absorption into the DP dead-end and a naive refusal to temporarily cooperate with it at all. I'm not going to spend time contending with the many points in that article that I take issue with, but one bit stuck out at me: "In [our] 'party-less' model of politics, it’s the Democratic politician who goes about trying to recruit a base, rather than the other way around. The politician’s platform and message are devised by her and her alone. They can be changed on a whim." That reminds me of nothing so much as the campaign to elect Goldwater. The groups set up after 1960 to draft Goldwater, the most churlish and reluctant candidate since WWII, had a helluva time. I don't really think that they could have taken him to victory in 1964 even if Goldwater hadn't finally seized control over his own campaign and installed less-competent cronies, but they surely wouldn't have gone down in such a historic defeat. After Perlstein's book, Clif White is my hero (outside of ideology).
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Post by Lord Lucan on Apr 3, 2017 10:04:58 GMT -5
I find this debate very interesting, though more so as it's always been debated amongst echt socialists, i.e. those who actually conceive their task, however best achieved, as ovecoming the capitalist social fomation, and not amongst liberals and centists who don't have any such goal. That's no minor distinction. Would a Clinton administation have effected some progess? Undoubtedly, and yet would it in fact be incremental towad a post-capitalist society or, as DP administations have ever been, a safety valve for labour militancy and a means to domesticate and undermine its revolutionay potential? There can be no doubt (not that much oganized labou is left to be tamed). And yet abstentionism of the kind that sees the extreme right take power, in the abscence of any reolutionay preconditions, has hardly had salutary outcomes either. You might be interested in this, as I was, which is a thoughtful proposal fo a via media between absorption into the DP dead-end and a naive refusal to temporarily cooperate with it at all. I'm not going to spend time contending with the many points in that article that I take issue with, but one bit stuck out at me: "In [our] 'party-less' model of politics, it’s the Democratic politician who goes about trying to recruit a base, rather than the other way around. The politician’s platform and message are devised by her and her alone. They can be changed on a whim." That reminds me of nothing so much as the campaign to elect Goldwater. The groups set up after 1960 to draft Goldwater, the most churlish and reluctant candidate since WWII, had a helluva time. I don't really think that they could have taken him to victory in 1964 even if Goldwater hadn't finally seized control over his own campaign and installed less-competent cronies, but they surely wouldn't have gone down in such a historic defeat. After Perlstein's book, Clif White is my hero (outside of ideology). That history is interesting, though I don't see it as a counterpoint to Ackerman's. I don't know, but would hazard to guess that the Draft Goldwater Committee was neither popular in organization or genuinely so in outlook and intent, and the size of his loss doesn't militate against the argument for genuinely democratic parties in any case. What stood out to me: Debbie Wasserman Schultz, not in the least dissatisfied with this state of affairs: www.msnbc.com/for-the-record-with-greta/watch/wasserman-schultz-to-sanders-we-are-already-a-grassroots-party-909601859815Also striking:
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Post by ganews on Apr 3, 2017 10:32:57 GMT -5
I'm not going to spend time contending with the many points in that article that I take issue with, but one bit stuck out at me: "In [our] 'party-less' model of politics, it’s the Democratic politician who goes about trying to recruit a base, rather than the other way around. The politician’s platform and message are devised by her and her alone. They can be changed on a whim." That reminds me of nothing so much as the campaign to elect Goldwater. The groups set up after 1960 to draft Goldwater, the most churlish and reluctant candidate since WWII, had a helluva time. I don't really think that they could have taken him to victory in 1964 even if Goldwater hadn't finally seized control over his own campaign and installed less-competent cronies, but they surely wouldn't have gone down in such a historic defeat. After Perlstein's book, Clif White is my hero (outside of ideology). That history is interesting, though I don't see it as a counterpoint to Ackerman's. I don't know, but would hazard to guess that the Draft Goldwater Committee was neither popular in organization or genuinely so in outlook and intent, and the size of his loss doesn't militate against the argument for genuinely democratic parties in any case. It's not a counterpoint, it's a story of an amazing effort at organization by Republicans who were outside the Republican establishment and took over the show from the inside. That brand of Conservatism was actually super popular among quite a lot of people, just not more that 40% of them. They didn't win in 1964, but the thrusts of Goldwater would later be refined and run better at the top to show just how popular they could be. Why is the far Right better at this game than the far Left? As to "genuinely" democratic, I don't know what that is supposed to mean in a practical world. Every voice 100% equal? Sure in a perfect world, but really someone has to balance and compromise between all those equal-ish voices. A successful election has to be organized by someone, by a very large group of someones, many of whom have to be paid. The more volunteers you have the better, but people have a lot of demands on their time.
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Post by Lord Lucan on Apr 3, 2017 14:49:45 GMT -5
That history is interesting, though I don't see it as a counterpoint to Ackerman's. I don't know, but would hazard to guess that the Draft Goldwater Committee was neither popular in organization or genuinely so in outlook and intent, and the size of his loss doesn't militate against the argument for genuinely democratic parties in any case. It's not a counterpoint, it's a story of an amazing effort at organization by Republicans who were outside the Republican establishment and took over the show from the inside. That brand of Conservatism was actually super popular among quite a lot of people, just not more that 40% of them. They didn't win in 1964, but the thrusts of Goldwater would later be refined and run better at the top to show just how popular they could be. Why is the far Right better at this game than the far Left?As to "genuinely" democratic, I don't know what that is supposed to mean in a practical world. Every voice 100% equal? Sure in a perfect world, but really someone has to balance and compromise between all those equal-ish voices. A successful election has to be organized by someone, by a very large group of someones, many of whom have to be paid. The more volunteers you have the better, but people have a lot of demands on their time. In the US, a deep-seated anti-collectivist ethos and a weak or at least forgotten tradition of labour organization would be my vague supposition. The whys and wherefoes of that itself are very curious. Ackerman quotes Geoff Ely, who wrote a valuable history of the European Left, underlining the absence of a tradition of similar scope in US history. And yet whatever social compensation for a fundamentally unjust regime of accumalation was forthcoming in the past was actuated by extra-parliamentary action. Incidentally, I think the ultimate explanation for the advent of neolibealism is the structural disoder of capitalism and not unscientific morality tales. Which is where Sanders' fulminations cease to be instructive, since what will ultimately be requied fo human persistence is the total reoganziation of productive relations and not merely other state-capitalist subventions which he pleases to call socialist and revolutionary, when not contradictorily promoting them by asking, ironically, if in their common-sense they are all that radical after all. I don't know what a complete picture would look like, but to begin, there should be a meaningful program justifying the party's existence and popular membership contol over policy and leadership, even if the leadership perforce takes some non-programmatic decisions without broad consultation.
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Post by Lord Lucan on Apr 9, 2017 21:42:48 GMT -5
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Post by Lord Lucan on Apr 12, 2017 17:21:20 GMT -5
""This campaign smells bad," Hollande is quoted as saying in an interview being published Thursday in Le Point magazine, warning of the danger of "Melenchon-style" irresponsible populism." www.nytimes.com/aponline/2017/04/12/world/europe/ap-eu-france-election.html?_r=0This encapusulates the quietus of social democacy-propouding nothing with as much conviction as suspicion of democratic restiveness with the conceit, seemingly impervious to disconfirmation, that its failed attempt at state-capitalist governance, with a system having ever less scope to externalize its contradictions and posing ever greater danger to human existence, is sophisticated and responsible.
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Post by Lord Lucan on Apr 13, 2017 13:00:18 GMT -5
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Post by Lord Lucan on Apr 14, 2017 0:47:14 GMT -5
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Post by Lord Lucan on Apr 16, 2017 23:07:08 GMT -5
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Post by Lord Lucan on Apr 17, 2017 23:16:07 GMT -5
Mélenchon: 'France is not a Western nation, in the sense of America’s definition of ‘the West’ that includes Western countries as unconvincing as Japan. We are a universalist nation with territories on five continents. Our largest border is with Brazil, not Germany. Therefore, France should be the fulcrum of a new anti-globalization world alliance that would aim at respecting the sovereignty of peoples and at applying the conventions and standards of the UNO and ILO.' The point about the borders of la France entière is an interesting reminder of the political status of their overseas departments. A bit with subtitles: www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZkuCHD1zbI
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Post by Lord Lucan on Apr 18, 2017 18:20:32 GMT -5
I think any redirection from the course of ultimate human destruction would only ever evoke significant 'market jitters', the collective instrumental rationality of investors being narrow and faulty as it is. I suppose if the judgements of the world's stock exchanges merited the seemingly implicit air of vatic privilege accorded them, the global economy wouldn't be perpetually imperilled by asset price bubbles. www.youtube.com/watch?v=5YZg8NBXxX8
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Post by Lord Lucan on Apr 22, 2017 2:18:15 GMT -5
A Rothschild investment banker brought into government to craft anti-labour legislation, which the executive could only introduce by bypassing the National Assembly with an extraordinay provision of the Constitution. No doubt the vacuity and sunny manipulativeness of his campaign reminds Obama of his own. www.ft.com/content/3e2f4314-b67b-11e4-a5f2-00144feab7de
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Post by Lord Lucan on Apr 22, 2017 18:22:45 GMT -5
It will be an unfortunate turn of events if Mélenchon doesn't progess to the second round because of Hamon's presence, siphoning off a few percentage points he'd have othewise picked up.
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Post by Desert Dweller on Apr 23, 2017 14:40:01 GMT -5
So he's an inexperienced banker whom people don't really like. France, please don't let that racist lunatic le Pen win. Please. Do you really want to emulate the USA right now? Please do this for the sake of my sanity.
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