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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2016 20:59:56 GMT -5
First of all, what is going on with the JWs? Who are they voting for? Perhaps ABz B👹anaz has some insight. is correct. Jehovah's Witnesses refuse to participate in politics because the entire government system on Earth is "run by Satan". *rolls eyes* I find it funny that I went to the most non-participating religious group, to the most Republican (Mormons) to atheist (and hugely liberal). |
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Post by ganews on Oct 16, 2016 19:52:17 GMT -5
I think I've only heard of it in bits and pieces, but yeah, the national prison labor strike is still on and still being largely ignored. Apparently Vice had a segment, but yeah, it's been going over a month. |
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Post by ComradePig on Oct 18, 2016 19:45:26 GMT -5
It might be in dubious (read: terrible) taste but I'll be damned if all of the "I guess not only Samsungs explode" jokes about the assassination of separatist rebel commander and horrendous human being Motorola didn't get a dark chuckle out of me. If it was actually Ukrainian far-right fascists/neo-nazis that are responsible of course it will be altogether more serious matter than just rebel infighting however, and would be another ill-omen in a not particularly great, and by that I mean fairly dire, time for post-Maidan Ukrainian politics. Jokes aside however, the rise and fall of the the more, colorful, to be exceedingly generous, Eastern rebel commanders is bizarre and fascinating, if not altogether atypical of the endgames of these sorts of scenarios. The fog of what's going on in behind the scenes in the separatist regions is too thick to make much besides educated guesses about the varying causes of these fellow's demise, though conflicts with petite' oligarch and LDR President Plotnistky are no doubt a throughline and some of the more decent minded commanders have met their end by likely crossing him while others I imagine fell afoul of Russia's own desire for a more manageable conflict, but I'd certainly be looking to retire and disappear were I one of those remaining. Whether it was truly by own volition or no, getting the hell out of there to retain his minor celebrity (and life) was probably the smartest decision the (also exercrable) Igor Ghirkin ever made. |
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Post by Return of the Thin Olive Duke on Oct 18, 2016 21:39:01 GMT -5
ComradePig My mom says all Ukrainians are Nazis, and that she should not have to hear about atrocities.
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Post by Jean-Luc Lemur on Oct 21, 2016 12:56:10 GMT -5
I was just doing a search to find out what the partisan political leanings of Scientology are, and I found this, which is rather interesting (though it doesn't include Scientology, despite being one of the top Google hits I had):  Interesting, as a Greco-Scandinavian, to see Orthodox and Lutheran (mainline) as majority Democrat—party of Mondale and Dukakis indeed. |
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Post by Albert Fish Taco on Oct 22, 2016 17:22:42 GMT -5
ComradePig My mom says all Ukrainians are Nazis, and that she should not have to hear about atrocities. Hey I didn't know you were my half-brother? Seriously my Mom outright said she didn't care if Putin killed every Ukrainian. |
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Post by Albert Fish Taco on Oct 22, 2016 17:38:57 GMT -5
I was just doing a search to find out what the partisan political leanings of Scientology are, and I found this, which is rather interesting (though it doesn't include Scientology, despite being one of the top Google hits I had): First of all, what is going on with the JWs? Who are they voting for? Perhaps ABz B👹anaz has some insight. Secondly, I'd love to see a comparison with population size. My initial impression was of surprising reassurance, that even with the phenomenon of the Religious Right, only 10 out of 17 religions/denominations (and that's leaving out the atheist/agnostic/n.p. segments) actually lean majority Republican. But what percentage of the population are those major evangelical sects compared to some of the possibly quite small segments down on the blue end (also, if you fold in all of the tiny splinter evangelical churches that exist all over rural America, what slice of the pie are they)? But I think it's a pretty interesting infographic. And it certainly highlights why the idea of Utah not voting for the GOP presidential candidate is particularly noteworthy. ETA: Oh, and I still can't seem to find any remotely reliable-looking source with info about how Scientologists tend to vote. 7th Day Adventists are a bit of an outlier as well as the only Democrat leaning Evangelical group, though I'm guessing they must be the formal name of Pentecostalists, which tend to have a lot of storefront churches in cities/lots of Black and Hispanic members. I'm also guessing the Anglicans are the Episcopalians that bolted about gay rights, in which case I'm surprised the partisan gap between the two isn't bigger. I'd be curious what the aggregate Episcopalian/Anglican splits were though. It's funny that as recently as a quarter century ago I remember reading in a guidebook to colleges a description of the University of The South (in Sewanee, TN) which called the Episcopalian Church as "The Republican Party at Prayer", which as late as 1991-92 probably was already an outdated notion as they must have been superseded by some of the more evangelical churches in GOP-lean by then. |
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Post by Return of the Thin Olive Duke on Oct 22, 2016 23:10:11 GMT -5
Albert Fish Taco I recall hearing in a radio story many months ago saying that before Roe v. Wade, the partisan divide over abortion was on the cusp of becoming the opposite of what it ended up being; absent the Christian Right as we know it, most mainstream Protestants were Republicans and most Catholics were Demorats. Only when the decision provoked the explosion of hardcore evangelical movements did the current(ish) climate come about.
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Post by Albert Fish Taco on Oct 23, 2016 6:28:45 GMT -5
Albert Fish Taco I recall hearing in a radio story many months ago saying that before Roe v. Wade, the partisan divide over abortion was on the cusp of becoming the opposite of what it ended up being; absent the Christian Right as we know it, most mainstream Protestants were Republicans and most Catholics were Demorats. Only when the decision provoked the explosion of hardcore evangelical movements did the current(ish) climate come about. I think I recall reading somewhere that Gallup did a poll on legalizing abortion about a decade before Roe v. Wade that found Republican voters were more likely to be pro-choice than Democrats. |
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Post by ganews on Oct 26, 2016 13:29:09 GMT -5
Who was running on that issue this year, anyway? This why we need a rational opposition party. Some isolationism appeals to me, but not when it comes from the build-a-wall, NATO-racketeering guy and certainly not when it come with literally everything else about him. Historically, isolationism has not been a tenet of modern liberalism, and I wouldn't wish it to be. I realize there's a large contingent of people our age who came to adulthood when we were fucking up Iraq for no good reason and thus have this knee-jerk suspicion that everything would be just perfect if the US kept entirely to itself, but that doesn't make it the case. I think Obama's biggest policy failures were rooted in such feelings. (I moved this reply to the Politics thread because that's where I'm going). Ha, yeah no kidding Return of the Thin Olive Duke , we've spoken before. Anyway I don't speak for liberalism, just my inclinations of late. I don't suspect everything would be perfect if the US were nowhere to be found, but I'm reasonabley confident we should stop going out of our way to fuck shit up You think Obama's failure was in trying to close Iraq down instead of keeping troops there forever like he did for Afghanistan? Well ISIS popped up you say, but that is a helluva binary choice. Obama sure didn't shy away from intervening in plenty of other places. I don't see how any isolationist sentiments crept in on him at all. |
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Post by ComradePig on Oct 29, 2016 13:44:25 GMT -5
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Post by Lord Lucan on Oct 30, 2016 1:34:28 GMT -5
Apparently, oui. Toute. Though the Wallonian government claims to have forced important concessions.  The left-leaning Walloon Minister-President, amongst others, had made the usual (and entirely plausible) objection to these deals that CETA undermined labour protections too greatly in the interest of MNCs. The Canadian government claimed otherwise, just as it had about TTP. Is the latter wrong? What's more immediately clear is that Justin Trudeau is a beautiful young man who says a lot of liberal sounding things and who loves and is loved in turn by pandas. Just look at how smart he looks off to sign the thing of dubious providence.  Incidentally, why did Libération choose to adorn the Canadian dagger plunging into Europe with what appears to be the Reichsadler? Is it emblematic of the continued vitality of French Germanophobia more generally? Or is it the US eagle? Wallonia's arrangment in Belgium is essentially the arrangement Nicola Sturgeon wants or claims to want for Scotland regarding the European Single Market so long as Scotland remains in the UK, incidentally: www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/international-business/european-business/explainer-ceta-wallonia-europe-and-canada/article32489554/ |
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Post by Albert Fish Taco on Oct 31, 2016 14:31:58 GMT -5
I think that map/illustration is supposed to be a tribute/parody of the map/illustrations at the beginning of Asterix comics (with a Canadian version of the SPQR eagle).
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Post by Jimmy James on Nov 2, 2016 12:08:26 GMT -5
So I've been reading up on some of my down-ballot races- while I'll generally vote (D), I want to go into the booth at least somewhat informed. Democrat Ted Jackson (occupation: Sheriff) and Republican Ben Cowart (occupation: Business Owner) were posed this question, as they campaign for Fulton County Sheriff:
In Georgia, some sheriffs draw a straight salary from a budget regulated by the County Commission, other Sheriffs are in control of their own budget and salary, the funds of which are made up from court fees and penalties, and still others combine a salary with a percentage of the fees. What, in your opinion, is the appropriate funding mechanism for the sheriff’s salary?
Cowart replied, "I would stick with what we currently have, which I have to admit, I don't even know which we use. I think the Sheriff makes around $150k, which is a lot to me."
There's a general lack of knowledge and preparedness in his responses. Scrolling back up to the top, I see he can be reached at [his name] @aol.com. Just about says it all.
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Post by Roy Batty's Pet Dove on Nov 2, 2016 18:40:40 GMT -5
So I've been reading up on some of my down-ballot races- while I'll generally vote (D), I want to go into the booth at least somewhat informed. Democrat Ted Jackson (occupation: Sheriff) and Republican Ben Cowart (occupation: Business Owner) were posed this question, as they campaign for Fulton County Sheriff: In Georgia, some sheriffs draw a straight salary from a budget regulated by the County Commission, other Sheriffs are in control of their own budget and salary, the funds of which are made up from court fees and penalties, and still others combine a salary with a percentage of the fees. What, in your opinion, is the appropriate funding mechanism for the sheriff’s salary?
Cowart replied, "I would stick with what we currently have, which I have to admit, I don't even know which we use. I think the Sheriff makes around $150k, which is a lot to me." There's a general lack of knowledge and preparedness in his responses. Scrolling back up to the top, I see he can be reached at [his name] @aol.com. Just about says it all. Is his occupation actually listed as "Business Owner"? Is he by any chance three kids standing on each other's shoulders in a trench coat? |
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Post by Jimmy James on Nov 2, 2016 21:43:04 GMT -5
Yes, that is what he lists- you can see for yourself here. Internet searching indicates he's in real estate? That, combined with his somewhat rambling answers to most of their questions, compared to the more pat responses of his clearly more experienced opponent, lead me to regard this as a small scale duplicate of the Trump-Clinton divide. |
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Post by Pastafarian on Nov 5, 2016 14:13:31 GMT -5
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Post by Desert Dweller on Nov 6, 2016 21:53:25 GMT -5
So, France? South Korea? What's going on with your elected leaders? It is amazing to me that other countries could have leaders who are even more disliked than Trump or Clinton.
Did Francois Hollande really grant interviews to journalists and then spend those interviews hurling off insults towards every person or group he didn't like? And then..... expect journalists not to publish that? WTF? And his approval rate is at something like 4%.
Meanwhile Trump does this kind of stuff every day and still 40-ish% of people will vote for him.
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Post by Return of the Thin Olive Duke on Nov 6, 2016 22:13:24 GMT -5
So, France? South Korea? What's going on with your elected leaders? It is amazing to me that other countries could have leaders who are even more disliked than Trump or Clinton. Did Francois Hollande really grant interviews to journalists and then spend those interviews hurling off insults towards every person or group he didn't like? And then..... expect journalists not to publish that? WTF? And his approval rate is at something like 4%. Meanwhile Trump does this kind of stuff every day and still 40-ish% of people will vote for him. And the Korean...President?... Is at 5%. As an American, it's inconceivable that any political leader could have such low approval. I suspect Charles I and Louis XVI were viewed much more favorably. Hell, probably Caligula. At least he built that kickass human head lawnmower. |
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Post by Nudeviking on Nov 6, 2016 22:29:45 GMT -5
So, France? South Korea? What's going on with your elected leaders? It is amazing to me that other countries could have leaders who are even more disliked than Trump or Clinton. Did Francois Hollande really grant interviews to journalists and then spend those interviews hurling off insults towards every person or group he didn't like? And then..... expect journalists not to publish that? WTF? And his approval rate is at something like 4%. Meanwhile Trump does this kind of stuff every day and still 40-ish% of people will vote for him. And the Korean...President?... Is at 5%. As an American, it's inconceivable that any political leader could have such low approval. I suspect Charles I and Louis XVI were viewed much more favorably. Hell, probably Caligula. At least he built that kickass human head lawnmower. The president here in Korea had a for reals witch as an unofficial adviser/public funds embezzler. Can you really blame the population for their fury? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2016 22:40:00 GMT -5
So, France? South Korea? What's going on with your elected leaders? It is amazing to me that other countries could have leaders who are even more disliked than Trump or Clinton. Did Francois Hollande really grant interviews to journalists and then spend those interviews hurling off insults towards every person or group he didn't like? And then..... expect journalists not to publish that? WTF? And his approval rate is at something like 4%. Meanwhile Trump does this kind of stuff every day and still 40-ish% of people will vote for him. Eurobox BTFO |
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Post by Return of the Thin Olive Duke on Nov 6, 2016 22:57:42 GMT -5
And the Korean...President?... Is at 5%. As an American, it's inconceivable that any political leader could have such low approval. I suspect Charles I and Louis XVI were viewed much more favorably. Hell, probably Caligula. At least he built that kickass human head lawnmower. The president here in Korea had a for reals witch as an unofficial adviser/public funds embezzler. Can you really blame the population for their fury? No, I'm just surprised that more people aren't clinging to her out of pure partisanship. The US has never had a President with less than 19% support. |
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Post by Nudeviking on Nov 6, 2016 23:28:03 GMT -5
The president here in Korea had a for reals witch as an unofficial adviser/public funds embezzler. Can you really blame the population for their fury? No, I'm just surprised that more people aren't clinging to her out of pure partisanship. The US has never had a President with less than 19% support. Political parties here dissolve and merge and morph every 5~10 years so there's nothing really to be loyal to long term. |
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Post by Desert Dweller on Nov 7, 2016 2:54:02 GMT -5
And the Korean...President?... Is at 5%. As an American, it's inconceivable that any political leader could have such low approval. I suspect Charles I and Louis XVI were viewed much more favorably. Hell, probably Caligula. At least he built that kickass human head lawnmower. The president here in Korea had a for reals witch as an unofficial adviser/public funds embezzler. Can you really blame the population for their fury? I mean, no. Employing an advisor who is embezzling from the government is already bad enough without the weird religious stuff. That story is crazy enough that it has actually penetrated the American news cycle within 2 weeks of a Presidential Election. The stuff about Hollande, though, doesn't get too much play here. But, I find it hilarious. Guy sits for 60 hours of interviews with journalists, and essentially self-destructs his entire political career. What would possess you to say those things to journalists?? |
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Post by Desert Dweller on Nov 7, 2016 3:11:08 GMT -5
Yeah, that piece you posted made me go seek out other stories about this. I mean, this stuff is weird. This angle on it is definitely being reported now. I even heard NPR reporting on it one morning last week. Maybe Nudeviking can tell us what the immediate future is probably going to look like in Korean politics? |
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Post by Nudeviking on Nov 7, 2016 3:25:45 GMT -5
Yeah, that piece you posted made me go seek out other stories about this. I mean, this stuff is weird. This angle on it is definitely being reported now. I even heard NPR reporting on it one morning last week. Maybe Nudeviking can tell us what the immediate future is probably going to look like in Korean politics? Unless she steps down it's going to be roughly 14 months of the lamest lame duck presidency ever with a side order of an increasingly hostile population (unless something else distracts the public from their fury which is known to happen here). Since Korea apparently has some law where the president can't get tried for any crimes outside of treason while in office, she's probably in no great hurry to stop being president, but she will literally not be able to do anything since she has no support politically. Beyond that her party will probably break up and reform under a new name before the next election because they don't want to be associated with weird witches and ineffective presidents. The opposition party will probably make big gains the next time there are elections. If Bang-gi Moon (the former UN Grand Poobah) announces that he is running for president like people were predicting he would before this story broke, he'll probably win in a landslide over whoever the conservatives put forward. |
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Post by Desert Dweller on Nov 9, 2016 4:49:46 GMT -5
So, you're saying conservative nutjobs are not likely to take over that country? This is important. Americans need a list of countries to escape to. France seems likely out. Eastern Europe is too scary with the geopolitical situation. Britian...... kinda in the middle, actually.
Running out of options, here....
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Post by ganews on Nov 9, 2016 11:58:50 GMT -5
So, you're saying conservative nutjobs are not likely to take over that country? This is important. Americans need a list of countries to escape to. France seems likely out. Eastern Europe is too scary with the geopolitical situation. Britian...... kinda in the middle, actually. Running out of options, here.... I would suggest pooling resources to buy that tropical island for a TI meetup if I didn't know we would tear each other apart. |
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Post by Return of the Thin Olive Duke on Nov 9, 2016 12:05:06 GMT -5
So, you're saying conservative nutjobs are not likely to take over that country? This is important. Americans need a list of countries to escape to. France seems likely out. Eastern Europe is too scary with the geopolitical situation. Britian...... kinda in the middle, actually. Running out of options, here.... Israel has always been my first choice, geopolitics be damned. Canada seems a good choice. It's an emerging power. Maybe too close to the US though. |
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