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Post by Generic Poster on Sept 27, 2017 11:15:20 GMT -5
The Kelvin attack took place, what, 25 years before Discovery is set?
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Post by liebkartoffel on Sept 27, 2017 11:52:29 GMT -5
Finally watched it - I thought it was like, I don't really know how to describe it, but...some other kind of space show with Star Trek beeps and bloops occasionally. Now that I'm reading the comments here, I'm also confused about which timeline it's supposed to be. Everything I've read has said it's in the prime timeline. |
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Post by Douay-Rheims-Challoner on Sept 27, 2017 12:09:14 GMT -5
The Kelvin attack took place, what, 25 years before Discovery is set? More like 15. It also didn't happen in this timeline, as this is the original timeline - the one where George Kirk lived long enough to see his son command the Enterprise. |
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Post by Generic Poster on Sept 27, 2017 12:23:09 GMT -5
The Kelvin attack took place, what, 25 years before Discovery is set? More like 15. It also didn't happen in this timeline, as this is the original timeline - the one where George Kirk lived long enough to see his son command the Enterprise. Had there ever been a reference to Kirk's dad being a Starfleet officer before the Abrams Trek? |
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Post by Ben Grimm on Sept 27, 2017 12:26:19 GMT -5
More like 15. It also didn't happen in this timeline, as this is the original timeline - the one where George Kirk lived long enough to see his son command the Enterprise. Had there ever been a reference to Kirk's dad being a Starfleet officer before the Abrams Trek? There definitely was in the novels, including at least one where he was a primary character. I think there may have been a reference to him in one or two TOS episodes, but I can't remember specific references. |
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Post by Generic Poster on Sept 27, 2017 13:29:45 GMT -5
Had there ever been a reference to Kirk's dad being a Starfleet officer before the Abrams Trek? There definitely was in the novels, including at least one where he was a primary character. I think there may have been a reference to him in one or two TOS episodes, but I can't remember specific references. I don't recall his father ever being mentioned in TOS. Prior to the movie, I had always assumed his dad was just a colonist and not an officer, given that teenage Kirk was on Tarsus IV when Kodos executed half the colonists. |
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Post by Ben Grimm on Sept 27, 2017 13:40:57 GMT -5
There definitely was in the novels, including at least one where he was a primary character. I think there may have been a reference to him in one or two TOS episodes, but I can't remember specific references. I don't recall his father ever being mentioned in TOS. Prior to the movie, I had always assumed his dad was just a colonist and not an officer, given that teenage Kirk was on Tarsus IV when Kodos executed half the colonists. I looked on Memory Alpha and it says that he never made it onto TOS, though there were attempts by writers to discuss him at a few points (including the Conscience of a King episode where the Tarsus IV stuff comes up). It sounds like this is one of those things (like Sulu and Uhura's first names) that drifted from the semi-canonical novels into actual canon. |
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Post by Jean-Luc Lemur on Sept 27, 2017 15:22:51 GMT -5
liebkartoffel Yeah, I’m holding out judgment on the Klingons because I can’t tell, at this point how much of it was Chris Obi not being good as a Klingon and what degree it was problems with the show’s conception. Of course, another problem is that everyone’s been dreaming about a new Trek for twelve years and has their own idea of what it should be and it might crowd out what’s on screen… Douay-Rheims-Challoner Nineties nostalgia’s definitely a factor, and I recall seeing somewhere that Voyager was the most rewatched Trek—I think hardcore Trekkies that like to blab (i.e. a lot of us) tend to prefer DS9, but VOY and VOY’s approach may have won out with the silent majority, and makes me wonder what would have happened had CBS gone with a more procedural approach. Jammer’s take is basically mine better stated, which is kind of refreshing. It’s also broadly similar to Bernd Schneider’s opinion. Among those without terrible reactions a sort of wary optimism seems to be kind of the consensus, and the serialization means it’s hard to judge—Bernd gives TBD as his grade. I’m pretty sure Discovery’s premier did well non-American Netflix and Rapidgator, but as for All Access…
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Post by Desert Dweller on Sept 27, 2017 23:56:02 GMT -5
Finally watched it - I thought it was like, I don't really know how to describe it, but...some other kind of space show with Star Trek beeps and bloops occasionally. Now that I'm reading the comments here, I'm also confused about which timeline it's supposed to be. Everything I've read has said it's in the prime timeline. The producers have repeatedly said it is in the Prime Timeline. Anyone can do a simple google search of "Discovery Prime timeline" to see the quotes. I'm not even sure they can legally use the Kelvin timeline, as that may exist under Paramount's rights exclusively. The 09 Star Trek takes place in 2255-2258. This series takes place in 2256. That should illustrate that this is in the Prime Timeline. |
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Post by Desert Dweller on Sept 28, 2017 0:11:40 GMT -5
Also, CBS hasn't released actual All Access numbers, but they did issue a press release saying Sunday had the most subscriber sign-ups of any day in the history of the service.
EW also reported that both episodes of DSC were being heavily pirated. Both episodes hit the top 20 most pirated episodes within 24 hours of initial release. That just counts downloads, not illegal streaming. One of the episodes hit the top 10 on Pirate Bay at one point. (Competing with all the eps of Game of Thrones.)
The only number that we know is that the pilot episode that aired on broadcast CBS had 9.6 million viewers. CBS Ceo Les Moonvees said All Access should have 4 million subscribers by the end of the year. So.... there is clearly a gap there.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2017 1:15:50 GMT -5
Also, CBS hasn't released actual All Access numbers, but they did issue a press release saying Sunday had the most subscriber sign-ups of any day in the history of the service. So it went up from 3 to 16? |
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Post by monodrone on Sept 28, 2017 4:24:16 GMT -5
Also, CBS hasn't released actual All Access numbers, but they did issue a press release saying Sunday had the most subscriber sign-ups of any day in the history of the service. So it went up from 3 to 16? A 533% increase, there's something worth shouting about! |
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Post by Douay-Rheims-Challoner on Sept 28, 2017 8:11:01 GMT -5
Douay-Rheims-Challoner Nineties nostalgia’s definitely a factor, and I recall seeing somewhere that Voyager was the most rewatched Trek—I think hardcore Trekkies that like to blab (i.e. a lot of us) tend to prefer DS9, but VOY and VOY’s approach may have won out with the silent majority, and makes me wonder what would have happened had CBS gone with a more procedural approach. I think people forget how big the Voyager fandom was at the time, I mean, within Star Trek fandom itself. I remember people who only really liked Voyager (particularly in my experience women fans who related to Janeway), and the 'wars' between DS9 and Voyager fans. This probably comes from my introduction to Trek fandom being through stuff like a website that called Chakotay a better first officer than Riker (in an imitation of the Kirk/Picard sites all over GeoCities) and the big shipping stuff within Voyager fandom itself - J/C, D/7, P/T, J/7; I probably know more about shipping in that particular show than any other TV series. It feels less like the DS9 fans won the argument and more they're the ones dedicated enough to keep having them. Interestingly both Orville and Discovery, to the extent they have Trek talent, tend to have people with more Voyager CVs than Deep Space Nine ones, or at least about equal - Joe Menosky is in Discovery's writing room while Brannon Braga is in Orville's; Discovery was co-developed by veteran Voyager writer Bryan Fuller and Orville's second episode was directed by Mr. Tom Paris himself, Robert Duncan McNeill. André goddamn Bormanis is Orville's science consultant. I had his book on the science of Star Trek. |
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Post by Baron von Costume on Sept 28, 2017 9:31:34 GMT -5
Finally got around to watching it last night, and I know it's the prime timeline, that's been reinforced for months from a writer and production standpoint... but it so clearly fucking isn't design wise ><
I mean I get it, there's no way they're going to put CRTs everywhere and have full on TOS monitors but there's a comment during the flashback of Burnham coming on board that the Shenzhou is an old ship... Yet every room/corridor in the ship is sized like it's an office park in the middle of Nebraska. The bridge is a cavern, the Captain's ready room is like 3x the size of Picard's. Burnham's quarters are huge as well. Say what you want about Enterprise at least most of the time felt like a cramped early ship. Also the subspace holo communicators? Really? We're pretending this is the same timeline when it was a joke trying to make those work in ds9?
Seconding all the aforementioned Klingon commentary too and from a ship nerd perspective theirs seemed to be ridiculously all over the place (even for a divided species) though I'll have to watch it again, maybe I'm wrong.
Having a non Majel computer voice makes me sad too even though despite obvious reasons...
Still, my main takeaway after the review embargo was that 'holy shit it doesn't suck out loud' so I guess that's a win on some level. If it was in the mysteriously hundreds of years of tech forward Kelvin timeline (looking at you Yorktown starbase) or just announced as a flat out reboot I think I'd be reasonably happy with it, the fact that they're pretending it'll somehow fit into the existing prime timeline hurts the longtime fan part of my brain though.
My memory of specific plot points in TOS gets confused with the novels a lot as I haven't watched it in eons so it surprises me that George is never mentioned as an SF officer since it's such a huge part of some of the better novels.
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Post by Douay-Rheims-Challoner on Sept 28, 2017 9:51:39 GMT -5
My memory of specific plot points in TOS gets confused with the novels a lot as I haven't watched it in eons so it surprises me that George is never mentioned as an SF officer since it's such a huge part of some of the better novels. I won't lie, I'm not even sure which George you mean. There's already a Discovery novel out, though, which has the crew of the Shenzhou collaborate with the crew of Pike's Enterprise (and thus, obviously, set before the show.)  |
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Post by Baron von Costume on Sept 28, 2017 10:04:31 GMT -5
My memory of specific plot points in TOS gets confused with the novels a lot as I haven't watched it in eons so it surprises me that George is never mentioned as an SF officer since it's such a huge part of some of the better novels. I won't lie, I'm not even sure which George you mean. There's already a Discovery novel out, though, which has the crew of the Shenzhou collaborate with the crew of Pike's Enterprise (and thus, obviously, set before the show.) Brain hurt >< |
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Post by Generic Poster on Sept 28, 2017 11:34:34 GMT -5
My memory of specific plot points in TOS gets confused with the novels a lot as I haven't watched it in eons so it surprises me that George is never mentioned as an SF officer since it's such a huge part of some of the better novels. I won't lie, I'm not even sure which George you mean. There's already a Discovery novel out, though, which has the crew of the Shenzhou collaborate with the crew of Pike's Enterprise (and thus, obviously, set before the show.) Good trigger discipline on holding the phaser. The lack of trigger guards on those things always bugged me. Seems like people would phaser their asses off all the time if the dropped one on the couch or whatever. |
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Post by Jean-Luc Lemur on Sept 28, 2017 14:37:02 GMT -5
I mean I get it, there's no way they're going to put CRTs everywhere and have full on TOS monitors but there's a comment during the flashback of Burnham coming on board that the Shenzhou is an old ship... Yet every room/corridor in the ship is sized like it's an office park in the middle of Nebraska. The bridge is a cavern, the Captain's ready room is like 3x the size of Picard's. Burnham's quarters are huge as well. Say what you want about Enterprise at least most of the time felt like a cramped early ship. Also the subspace holo communicators? Really? We're pretending this is the same timeline when it was a joke trying to make those work in ds9? Seconding all the aforementioned Klingon commentary too and from a ship nerd perspective theirs seemed to be ridiculously all over the place (even for a divided species) though I'll have to watch it again, maybe I'm wrong. The semi-transparent holo-projection did appear in the TOS movies, though, so I wasn’t so bothered by it. I do think that one of the advantages of doing a prequel is that you can actually show interstellar travel to be a bit difficult—ships don’t have that sort of “technology unleashed” omnipotence they do by the time of TNG, making it a bit more “age of sail”-feeling. That we’re not getting that is a bit disappointing—being on the edge of Federation/Klingon space evidently still meant both could marshal armadas, rather than a sort of lone encounter at the frontier, which i think would have also worked fine. The Klingon ships also seem really huge and advanced to me—in TOS and the films they were always basically just warp engines with a big torpedo launcher, and by TUC we find out that the Klingon economy’s basically bleeding to make just that. The Klingons might be the technical equals of the Federation, but it comes at a big material cost. Again, this might be a place where the limits of TV production in the nineties might have been a plus—today there might be an expectation cinematic scope even when it might make sense to have smaller ships and just a couple of starship models. Short version: I always had the impression the 23rd century’s not quite as post-scarcity as the 24th, and I think that limitation brings storytelling opportunities, and I’d preferred that they’d not gone the old threat inflation route, even if I can understand why they did so. |
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Post by Generic Poster on Sept 28, 2017 14:41:44 GMT -5
I mean I get it, there's no way they're going to put CRTs everywhere and have full on TOS monitors but there's a comment during the flashback of Burnham coming on board that the Shenzhou is an old ship... Yet every room/corridor in the ship is sized like it's an office park in the middle of Nebraska. The bridge is a cavern, the Captain's ready room is like 3x the size of Picard's. Burnham's quarters are huge as well. Say what you want about Enterprise at least most of the time felt like a cramped early ship. Also the subspace holo communicators? Really? We're pretending this is the same timeline when it was a joke trying to make those work in ds9? Seconding all the aforementioned Klingon commentary too and from a ship nerd perspective theirs seemed to be ridiculously all over the place (even for a divided species) though I'll have to watch it again, maybe I'm wrong. The semi-transparent holo-projection did appear in the TOS movies, though, so I wasn’t so bothered by it. I do think that one of the advantages of doing a prequel is that you can actually show interstellar travel to be a bit difficult—ships don’t have that sort of “technology unleashed” omnipotence they do by the time of TNG, making it a bit more “age of sail”-feeling. That we’re not getting that is a bit disappointing—being on the edge of Federation/Klingon space evidently still meant both could marshal armadas, rather than a sort of lone encounter at the frontier, which i think would have also worked fine. The Klingon ships also seem really huge and advanced to me—in TOS and the films they were always basically just warp engines with a big torpedo launcher, and by TUC we find out that the Klingon economy’s basically bleeding to make just that. The Klingons might be the technical equals of the Federation, but it comes at a big material cost. Again, this might be a place where the limits of TV production in the nineties might have been a plus—today there might be an expectation cinematic scope even when it might make sense to have smaller ships and just a couple of starship models. Short version: I always had the impression the 23rd century’s not quite as post-scarcity as the 24th, and I think that limitation brings storytelling opportunities, and I’d preferred that they’d not gone the old threat inflation route, even if I can understand why they did so. Yeah, in TOS, the Enterprise was often on its own, with any help weeks or months away. Seems like Discovery is sticking with Abrams' "warp speed means instant travel." |
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Post by Baron von Costume on Sept 28, 2017 15:10:35 GMT -5
I mean I get it, there's no way they're going to put CRTs everywhere and have full on TOS monitors but there's a comment during the flashback of Burnham coming on board that the Shenzhou is an old ship... Yet every room/corridor in the ship is sized like it's an office park in the middle of Nebraska. The bridge is a cavern, the Captain's ready room is like 3x the size of Picard's. Burnham's quarters are huge as well. Say what you want about Enterprise at least most of the time felt like a cramped early ship. Also the subspace holo communicators? Really? We're pretending this is the same timeline when it was a joke trying to make those work in ds9? Seconding all the aforementioned Klingon commentary too and from a ship nerd perspective theirs seemed to be ridiculously all over the place (even for a divided species) though I'll have to watch it again, maybe I'm wrong. The semi-transparent holo-projection did appear in the TOS movies, though, so I wasn’t so bothered by it. I do think that one of the advantages of doing a prequel is that you can actually show interstellar travel to be a bit difficult—ships don’t have that sort of “technology unleashed” omnipotence they do by the time of TNG, making it a bit more “age of sail”-feeling. That we’re not getting that is a bit disappointing—being on the edge of Federation/Klingon space evidently still meant both could marshal armadas, rather than a sort of lone encounter at the frontier, which i think would have also worked fine. The Klingon ships also seem really huge and advanced to me—in TOS and the films they were always basically just warp engines with a big torpedo launcher, and by TUC we find out that the Klingon economy’s basically bleeding to make just that. The Klingons might be the technical equals of the Federation, but it comes at a big material cost. Again, this might be a place where the limits of TV production in the nineties might have been a plus—today there might be an expectation cinematic scope even when it might make sense to have smaller ships and just a couple of starship models. Short version: I always had the impression the 23rd century’s not quite as post-scarcity as the 24th, and I think that limitation brings storytelling opportunities, and I’d preferred that they’d not gone the old threat inflation route, even if I can understand why they did so. Yeah it's frustrating. I mean even on TNG they managed to sometimes convey that "Oh hey, we're meeting up with the USS such-and-such and that's kind of neat because we're out in the boonies so it doesn't happen every day" and make it seem like shore leave was a big deal. That should be a way huger part of something in this setting. In the Abrams-verse and (so far) DSC it feels like these explorers should be able to go home for the weekend cause we zip zip everywhere at the drop of a hat. One minute the Captain's saying they shouldn't withdraw because they're the only thing standing between the Klingons and various outposts, but then 5+ ships show up within what, a couple hours including apparently Admiral Fancypants? And yeah ditto on the Klingon ships, I personally would have found it more interesting if the Klingons of that era due to their divisiveness were literally as you say warp engines with a plasma torp. More like a swarm of individual house small ships but f'ing terrifying in number... then have their big ships (and subsequent resource issues) be a consequence of the unification? Oh well, I realize that I need to just pretend not to care since obviously after this long with a mostly new team in charge everything is going to change but sigh. I think another part of me would have liked to see the plot of the pilot drawn out a bit more if they were more isolated too. Perhaps Burnham being forced to command the Shenzhou home due to the Captain/many senior officers dead, knowing she was facing court martial when they made it back home. It does feel odd that (at least based on what the 3rd ep forward seems to be) the series is starting with what is essentially a two hour flashback, though I guess that's perhaps a relic of Fuller's original anthology idea. |
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Post by Lt. Broccoli on Sept 28, 2017 15:32:38 GMT -5
Wasn't it previously canon that the Klingons got cloaking technology from the Romulans? I know this was because TOS had no budget and reused Klingon ships for Romulan ships, or something...but still...
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Post by Generic Poster on Sept 28, 2017 16:08:22 GMT -5
Wasn't it previously canon that the Klingons got cloaking technology from the Romulans? I know this was because TOS had no budget and reused Klingon ships for Romulan ships, or something...but still... Yeah - Klingons got cloaking tech from the Romulans. Using cloaks made sense for the "galactic scumbags" TOS version of the Klingons. I always thought it was weirdly inconsistent with the "we're honor-bound warriors" TNG Klingons, though. |
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Post by Ben Grimm on Sept 28, 2017 16:12:18 GMT -5
Wasn't it previously canon that the Klingons got cloaking technology from the Romulans? I know this was because TOS had no budget and reused Klingon ships for Romulan ships, or something...but still... Yeah - Klingons got cloaking tech from the Romulans. Using cloaks made sense for the "galactic scumbags" TOS version of the Klingons. I always thought it was weirdly inconsistent with the "we're honor-bound warriors" TNG Klingons, though. They were also pretty conscious on TNG of emphasizing that Worf was espousing ideals the rest of the Klingons didn't really live up to, though. |
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Post by Roy Batty's Pet Dove on Sept 28, 2017 20:44:16 GMT -5
I don't really get the complaints that Discovery doesn't "look" like Star Trek. What do people want, exactly? More beige? Maybe it's because I never much appreciated TNG's early 90s office park aesthetic, but I'm fine with Discovery having its own look, and it's kind of pointless to expect a show produced in 2017 to look like one produced in the early nineties (or mid sixties). Nah, man, the one thing I wanted out of the Discovery pilot was for a bridge officer to sit down at their post, try and fail to adjust the height of their chair, and say "Goddammit, I got that shitty fucking chair that doesn't raise or lower again. Ensign Whatever, go to Office Max and get me a new office chair." And then there would be a B-plot in the pilot where Ensign Whatever took one of the shuttlecrafts to an Office Max to try to find an office chair that matched the bridge's beige visual aesthetic, and they could sort of be edgy and ironic about the blatant Office Max® product placement and there could be a couple of fourth-wall-breaking convsersations about the irony of shilling for corporate brands in a post-currency economy, and then on this thread we'd all be talking about Discovery's groundbreaking and novel idea to give us their skewed take on product placement, which I don't think would be anything that anyone had ever really seen before. But looks like they couldn't even fucking get that right. Thanks for nothing, CBS All Access. |
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Post by liebkartoffel on Sept 28, 2017 21:04:34 GMT -5
Yeah, in TOS, the Enterprise was often on its own, with any help weeks or months away. Seems like Discovery is sticking with Abrams' "warp speed means instant travel." To be fair, the Enterprise was on a five-year exploratory mission. The Shenzhou encountered the T'Kuvma along the Federation/Klingon border, which would presumably be heavily patrolled. |
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Post by Prole Hole on Sept 29, 2017 5:07:36 GMT -5
I guess I should weigh in here? (I know I'm repeating a few points that others have mentioned, but oh well). I thought Discovery was... fine. No better, no worse. It certainly didn't suck, and it's a better show-opener that Broken Bow, but then again that's not a very high bar to clear. It feels like a terrible shame that everything here, design-wise, is based on the Abramsverse aesthetic (I'm not calling it the fucking Kelvin timeline!) because there was a real chance to do something markedly different that made this feel more of a piece with the other TV shows, rather than simply following on. The acting is mostly solid, if largely unspectacular, but Sonequa Martin-Green is decent when given decent material to work with (not a consistent thing across these two episodes). But overall I agree with Lt. Broccoli - this feels like a fairly generic space opera, obviously more expensively produced than something like Dark Matter, but with very little about it that says "star trek" beyond the obvious iconography and the use of Klingons (Klingons in the pilot! Did we learn nothing from Broken Bow?). And putting Klingons in the opener is a big barrier for me, for not one fuck do I give about Klingons, but I recognise that's my problem, not the show's. *takes deep breath* If there's a demand for it, I'll review the show, so if you're interested in me writing about a Star Trek that isn't twenty years in the past, and isn't predicated on the idea of a singular stand, then I'll do it. Just like this comment, or give a yay down below, or PM me so I know if anyone wants it |
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Post by Desert Dweller on Oct 1, 2017 2:56:44 GMT -5
I just watched the first episode. It was okay. I hate the design, but oh well. (Honestly, can it be anything other than teal and orange?!?!?!?!) Happy that at least the sound effects are definitely Star Trek. That helped to orient me.
I'm still meh on the Klingons. Why do they all talk so slow? That is easily the worst part. I think they need JG Hertzler to give them some lessons. Other than that, I don't have much to say. Wondering if this show is even going to try to reconcile this with what we know about the Klingons 10 years later?
Just pulled up episode 2. (Really glad I found a site that streams these.)
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Okay, episode 2: OMG, please please please stop. Please Klingon actors, please stop talking so slowly. This is so ridiculous. Please stop. If you can't speak Klingon faster, then please speak English. The push for "authenticity" doesn't work if you can't make it sound like Klingon is your primary language.
Seems a waste of Michelle Yeoh to put her in a big action scene and have her look like a wimp. This was also ridiculous.
One of my biggest worries initially was about Sarek being in the show, and being acted by someone else. But, James Frain worked for me. The writing was a bit stilted, but I buy him as Sarek.
Also, it's weirding me out to see Klingons actually give a crap about the corpses of dead Klingons.
Finally, I'm going to join with the people hoping that this Albino Klingon is THE Albino who had a feud with Kang, Kor and Koloth. One of those other Klingons we met is supposed to be from the House of Kor. The one who didn't like T'Kuvma or the Albino at all. Voila! Lifelong blood feud! Make it happen, ST: DSC! (I'll take any link to other Prime Timeline Trek at this point.)
In conclusion: Yeah, it was okay. It mostly worked as a sci-fi tv movie. I didn't find anything too egregious. Curious to see how the actual show goes.
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Post by dＬᵒ on Oct 1, 2017 3:00:55 GMT -5
After a long stressful day at work I got petty high, turned on the tv and caught the pilot pretty much accidentally (I did miss the opening theme) which should be prime 'turn off my brain' time but it still felt a bit rocky. So random thoughts:
-I am glad that others have pointed out that the ship is absurdly spacious, and wasn't me just mentally distorting things.
-I like the uniforms as uniforms, and they do work as being descendants of flight jumpsuits, but the lack of chromatic superiority does make it hard to tell who is who.
-ı had a hard time realizing that the childhood flashback with Sarek was a flashback, and then was very distracted by the fact that baby Burnham had Vulcan hair, but it looked like a hat.
-the asteroid flight scene was cool, but also somewhat cheap looking, and totally reminded me of VR rides.
-I'll get to the so called Klingons in a sec, but I worry that they're going to mess up other staples (mostly by trying to make them EDGY). The big worry is the Borg, which as we have seen is a villain with rapidly diminishing returns.
I heavily scoffed at the first sight of the Klingons (as I did at the preview and realizing that one scene in the movie was supposed to be), but between the gripping court drama and the subtitles I got drawn in like it was Masterpiece Theater. I still dislike the redesign, and am surprised that nobody has compared them to the Unas from Stargate because they feel like a ripoff of that. Also with the organic looking ships that have no traditional command deck I got a Vong (Star Wars books) vibe.
Rating: I think I'd be down to watch more, hope that they do less with the Unas-gons, but there's no way I'd pay 10bux a month, and purposefully seeking this out might be a stretch (ST has always been lazy Sunday syndication watching for me).
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Post by Desert Dweller on Oct 1, 2017 3:58:07 GMT -5
And yes, the ship was absurdly spacious. Every room we saw was huge! The Captain's office was possibly the size of my entire apartment. Even the brig was huge! Station Deep Space Nine was many times larger than the USS Enterprise D and it didn't have a brig that large.
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Post by sarapen on Oct 1, 2017 17:18:38 GMT -5
Finally saw it. Mark me down on the "it's not the worst thing since the Holocaust" list, and you can even add me on the "it was okay, I'm down for seeing more" one. I just wish once again that this was an episodic series with like 30 episodes a season. If we had that time to hang out with the crew and the setting we could appreciate it all more. Remember how we all finally got on the Next Generation bandwagon?
Also, yeah, it's hard to tell rank and division from the uniforms. Maybe Starfleet was trying to de-emphasize ranks as being bourgeois affectations like the PLA during the Cultural Revolution? Perhaps this series is set during the Federation's heretofore-unmentioned Maoist phase.
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