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Post by Jean-Luc Lemur on Mar 3, 2016 16:07:44 GMT -5
Random music video about Tuvok. This is beyond awesome (the little bit after Neelix’s vocal made me crack up a bit) |
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Post by starforge on Mar 5, 2016 17:30:42 GMT -5
I am immensely delighted at this prospect. As someone who loves the 2009 film, TOS, TNG, and DS9 and is only really mixed towards Voyager and Enterprise, I'm pleased that a writer with his credits is being given the helm. A Star Trek series with a compelling crew and direction is the core of the series, and I'm happy they're giving it to someone who realizes as much. Trek's had an unfortunate tendency to retread and fall back on its oldest and simplest concepts as of late, or spread itself too thin via weak scripts and nebulous character work. There will be nitpicks galore, but if the narrative's heart is strong, then it'll be more than enough for me.
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Post by Douay-Rheims-Challoner on Mar 10, 2016 9:27:27 GMT -5
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Post by Desert Dweller on Mar 10, 2016 18:27:33 GMT -5
Does this mean we aren't getting anything on tv to celebrate the 50th Anniversary of Star Trek? That seems a bit insane.
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Post by Douay-Rheims-Challoner on Mar 11, 2016 11:55:01 GMT -5
Does this mean we aren't getting anything on tv to celebrate the 50th Anniversary of Star Trek? That seems a bit insane. I'd bet on a TV documentary about the franchise / Information about the new show premiering in January, presumably on September 8th... but yeah, basically. |
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Post by Sanziana on Mar 18, 2016 7:51:12 GMT -5
I was contemplating today what gorgeous visuals this will have, and how interesting the aliens have the potential to look. I presume they won't be able to afford all CGI ones (and anyway, going by recent attempts this approach has a high rate of failing miserably), but a high enough budget for a mix of CGI and more traditional methods. I hope they'll go more for less humanoid looking aliens, less green/purple girls, and definitely not fish inspired aliens.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2016 11:11:29 GMT -5
I'm deeply curious to know what the show's visual look & feel is going to be like. I'm expecting it will be lovely, but I'm hoping that Fuller's talk about TOS might give us something colorful and cool.
I know I've ranted about this before, but I'd love to see more variety in alien design, as long as they don't abandon 99% of the classic Trek staples like the Abrams films have - give us some crazier cool new creatures *and* some Andorians, Denobulans, Tellarites, etc. etc. and I'll be really happy.
(Speaking of...can they go through some wild justification of time/universes or whatever to get Jeffrey Combs back as Shran? Dude was awesome.)
And take the Klingons back to the pre-reboot look. That was just...weird.
It'd be cool to mix it up with classic Trek creatures and some more off-the-wall stuff. Hell, bring in some species from the animated series, too - it's about time we had Edosians and (more) Caitians in the live-action stuff, no?
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Post by Douay-Rheims-Challoner on Mar 18, 2016 12:46:28 GMT -5
NicoNicoRose Or they could just cast Jeffrey Combs to play yet another alien; he did three on Deep Space Nine alone. I'd assume we'll probably see familiar aliens in the background at some point if not part of the main cast. Vulcans at the least. The design of the new aliens will be up to whoever they hire, but moving away from the Michael Westmore school of random head bumps (he had many excellent ideas, especially the Cardassians, but nobody hits a perfect game every time) isn't too bad an idea, though they should still hew to aliens that actors can play. As for the rest: Well. Edosians - that is, the species of Lieutenant Arex, the three-armed, three-legged navigator from the animated series - are something I felt the reboot movies could have leaned into; nothing major, just have Arex as the guy replacing Chekov when he's not at his post (and he does leave his post in Into Darkness in that he literally becomes the chief engineer and honestly who can even remember who takes over.) But without a generous CGI budget, they're impractical on TV besides as a throwaway shot - but I'd definitely like the series to have more CGI aliens now and then; Voyager in particular did good work with that I think.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2016 15:45:11 GMT -5
I had completely forgotten that Chekov briefly became chief engineer in STID because that's so nonsensical as to be completely forgettable. *grumbles about the reboot yet again*
I do really hope there's, visually, a nice jolt of color and design flair in this new series. I remember reading not long ago a quote from, I believe, Doug Drexler, about how the NX-01 of "Enterprise" was, in his original idea, a more colorful and bright setting than how it wound up in the show, because the producers felt that making the ships and other visuals darker and more monochrome kept them from overshadowing the characters. I have to imagine Fuller would not share that same viewpoint.
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Post by Baron von Costume on Mar 18, 2016 15:53:49 GMT -5
I had completely forgotten that Chekov briefly became chief engineer in STID because that's so nonsensical as to be completely forgettable. *grumbles about the reboot yet again* I do really hope there's, visually, a nice jolt of color and design flair in this new series. I remember reading not long ago a quote from, I believe, Doug Drexler, about how the NX-01 of "Enterprise" was, in his original idea, a more colorful and bright setting than how it wound up in the show, because the producers felt that making the ships and other visuals darker and more monochrome kept them from overshadowing the characters. I have to imagine Fuller would not share that same viewpoint. That's one of the few things I liked about Enterprise's original design. The NX-01 given what it was should definitely have been gritty and functional at first, and in my ideal world would have slowly been upgraded whenever they returned to earth/decided something didn't work quite right. I definitely don't want to see that in a later setting series though. |
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Post by Jean-Luc Lemur on Mar 18, 2016 18:06:43 GMT -5
NicoNicoRose One thing that came out long after Enterprise ended was how torturous a birth the ship’s design was—all the original concepts were rejected until the studio said “Here, the Akira class will be your new ship—it’s popular on the internet and we already have the computer model!” and which point the production art crew gasped in horror and agreed to merely make a ship that looked like the Akira. For the aborted fifth season they wanted to refit it into this, which was more what they had in mind in the first place: But without a generous CGI budget, they're impractical on TV besides as a throwaway shot - but I'd definitely like the series to have more CGI aliens now and then; Voyager in particular did good work with that I think.
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Post by Roy Batty's Pet Dove on Mar 18, 2016 21:20:33 GMT -5
Are there going to be Borgs on this show?
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Post by Jean-Luc Lemur on Mar 19, 2016 19:06:29 GMT -5
I hope not, Roy Batty's Pet Dove, or if they do show up they’d better be really different. Also love the new avatar/username combo—is that a Kate Beaton one? |
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Post by Roy Batty's Pet Dove on Mar 19, 2016 20:48:07 GMT -5
I hope not, Roy Batty's Pet Dove, or if they do show up they’d better be really different. Also love the new avatar/username combo—is that a Kate Beaton one? Wait, do people not think the Borg were the best bad guys? Was a heavy-handed foil to Starfleet not well-received? And thanks, my username/avatar is Kate Beaton! It's from the Hark, a Vagrant! comic on Charlotte Corday. I'm typing this up on my phone so linking is inconvenient, but it's Hark, a Vagrant! #15 if you're looking for the full comic. |
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Post by Jean-Luc Lemur on Mar 20, 2016 15:57:05 GMT -5
Roy Batty's Pet Dove I think it’s more that we got so much of them—the Borg really work best in small doses and by the end of Voyager they were kind of done to death. And Ron Moore, in writing First Contact, admitted that they had a hard time sustaining original, super-scary concept of a truly collective consciousness that grows into and assimilates everything they touch, to the point where he was claiming the Borg would work better in a hard SF novel where you could really explore the implications than in the sort of sci-fi adventure they were going for in the film. I don’t think it would necessarily be a bad idea to have something that explores similar themes, but assuming this is another reboot I think it would be best to go about it in a new way.
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Post by Douay-Rheims-Challoner on Mar 20, 2016 18:01:37 GMT -5
Another problem with the Borg is, early on, they posed such an existential threat finding endings to stories about them was so difficult - which was one reason the Next Generation used them so seldomly, with only six episodes, constituting four stories, and only two of those are about confronting the Borg as an inplacable menace (with "I, Borg" being about their potential for individuality and "Descent" about evolving the Borg as a consequence of that, which hastily backtracks from the idea over the story), and only one of those two - "The Best of Both Worlds" - involves the Enterprise crew saving the day. "Q Who?", of course, ended with a Q Ex Machina (I will be here all week folks.)
It's a lot easier to write about powers whose strength is more or less equivalent to the Federation, which is why the Romulans were TNG's most reused bad guys. Another such power? The Klingons; and it's worth noting that the Undiscovered Country is something that has been cited as an influence for this series, so, were I to speculate wildly I'd assume relations between the Federation and another power of roughly equivalent strength (not necessarily one we've heard of, remember) will be important for this series.
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Post by Roy Batty's Pet Dove on Mar 20, 2016 19:34:11 GMT -5
Another problem with the Borg is, early on, they posed such an existential threat finding endings to stories about them was so difficult - which was one reason the Next Generation used them so seldomly, with only six episodes, constituting four stories, and only two of those are about confronting the Borg as an inplacable menace (with "I, Borg" being about their potential for individuality and "Descent" about evolving the Borg as a consequence of that, which hastily backtracks from the idea over the episode), and only one of those two - "The Best of Both Worlds" - involves the Enterprise crew saving the day. "Q Who?", of course, ended with a Q Ex Machina (I will be here all week folks.) It's a lot easier to write about powers whose strength is more or less equivalent to the Federation, which is why the Romulans were TNG's most reused bad guys. Another such power? The Klingons; and it's worth noting that the Undiscovered Country is something that has been cited as an influence for this series, so, were I to speculate wildly I'd assume relations between the Federation and another power of roughly equivalent strength (not necessarily one we've heard of, remember) will be important for this series. Would it be seen as a good thing if the roughly equivalent power was the Alien Energy Being Things Who Speak In Binary Or Whatever? |
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Post by Douay-Rheims-Challoner on Mar 20, 2016 19:52:58 GMT -5
Roy Batty's Pet Dove You're going to have to be more specific than that. Star Trek has more alien energy beings than there are letters in the alphabet, but none of them spoke in binary as far as I am aware - there were however nanites who tried to communicate in binary (tiny machine intelligence, nanotechnology) and of course an entire humanoid species, the Bynars, who communicate in binary or something like it. The Bynars are a member species of the Federation; and energy beings generally tend to either have transcended to a more powerful state of existence as to be functionally godlike (like the Organians, whose intervention prevented open war between the Federation and the Klingons; presumably the Q, and so on) or are relatively primitive beings like the aliens in a cloud in "Lonely Among Us." I can't think of a pure energy species that has been depicted as more or less equivalent to the Federation.
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Post by Sanziana on Apr 13, 2016 12:38:49 GMT -5
Where will this take place? The Prime Universe or the reboot one?
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Post by rimjobflashmob on Apr 13, 2016 12:52:36 GMT -5
Where will this take place? The Prime Universe or the reboot one? Probably neither, I'm hoping for the former. |
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Post by Ben Grimm on Apr 13, 2016 13:00:49 GMT -5
Where will this take place? The Prime Universe or the reboot one? Probably neither, I'm hoping for the former. I'd be surprised if it wasn't one or the other, with the Prime one being much more likely. If I had to guess, I think they'll jump forward from Next Generation, though they might set it either in an in-between era or concurrent with something we've seen. |
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Post by Ben Grimm on Apr 13, 2016 14:36:15 GMT -5
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Post by rimjobflashmob on Apr 13, 2016 14:43:01 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2016 15:26:21 GMT -5
Even more from that link, in an update:
That's intriguing.
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Post by Superb Owl 🦉 on Apr 13, 2016 16:21:57 GMT -5
Even more from that link, in an update: That's intriguing. Post ST6 first season? Streaming-based seasonal anthologies? Is Bryan Fuller secretly a poster here or on the old DS9 comments? I feel like we've discussed many of these things as great ideas. |
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Post by Baron von Costume on Apr 13, 2016 16:31:16 GMT -5
Yep, that's pretty much my dream
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Post by Jean-Luc Lemur on Apr 13, 2016 19:02:03 GMT -5
Reading this again I’m pretty skeptical–it just sounds like someone taking Meyer’s remarks ultra-literally. It’s also very vague for a Trek leak—maybe CBS is tighter-lipped than Paramount (where the entire series bible for Enterprise was leaked—and assumed to be a hoax because it was so awful—as was the script of Nemesis).
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Post by Douay-Rheims-Challoner on Apr 13, 2016 21:34:47 GMT -5
Jean-Luc Lemur Insurrection too; I remember Brent Spiner being a bit testy about that in an interview. (And yes, that Bible; Jackson Archer and T'Pau.) Abrams' films were considerably more circumspect. It also doesn't seem consistent with the spirit of what Meyer talked about - he name-checked his film as an influence, but he also talked about the desire to not remix the past, and a TV show set after his movie where, according to such sources, Klingons are the bad guys, well on the face of it that sounds like a rehash of the Undiscovered Country. Also I want to point out this website has provided such scoops as this Star Wars plot point in the past. And TrekCore has reasonable doubt, and that site has been consistently excellent since my teenage days of just wanting some DS9 screencaps.
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Post by rimjobflashmob on Apr 13, 2016 21:43:30 GMT -5
Even more from that link, in an update: That's intriguing. BRYAN FULLER'S STAR TREK WAS A DREAM GIVEN FORM... |
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