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Post by Albert Fish Taco on May 27, 2016 8:36:13 GMT -5
For an average driver that's never felt the need or curiosity to learn anything about how transmissions work beyond "automatics are way easier than sticks b/c you don't have to think about clutching or shifting except on really difficult terrain or snow", is there anything that would be noticably different about a Continuously Variable Transmission (CVT) car vs a traditional 5/6 gear Automatic Transmission car? Like I'd drive a CVT the same as an automatic I assume (and wouldn't need to do anything different), right?
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Post by Buon Funerale Amigos on May 27, 2016 8:46:00 GMT -5
As far as I can tell with ours, the only difference is that there isn't ever a drop in engine RPM during normal acceleration, where a traditional automatic (or manual) drops the RPM at every shift.
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Post by Not a real doctor on May 27, 2016 9:24:55 GMT -5
The driving experience isn't really much different but they're (a CVT I mean) more efficient than a traditional automatic. The lack of noticeable RPM drops at a gear change they Buon Funerale Amigos mentioned is disconcerting at first but you get used to it. We had one in a rental last year and I liked it. You just put it in drive and go like a normal automatic.
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Post by Albert Fish Taco on May 27, 2016 12:36:29 GMT -5
Thanks Not a real doctor & Buon Funerale Amigos. I suspected as much. I read a little about it last night, but it was in more gear-heady/enthusiast articles. They mentioned like minded types have been resistant b/c the miss the sound levels/feel of other transmissions. But I honestly never really notice road noise anyway (I drive an 07 Fit that's supposedly notorious for being too noisey). And I am looking at 16 Fits now and seeing that their CVT models actually surpass the manuals in mileage.
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Post by Jean-Luc Lemur on May 27, 2016 15:44:52 GMT -5
I think it depends on the kind of driver you are—both my parents’ cars (both Subarus) have CVT’s, now, which is kind of surprising given that my mother (who follows automotive stuff surprisingly closely) was very anti-CVT as recently as a few years ago. If you like to push your car a little a CVT might not be for you—in my (very limited) experience they aren’t really as quick to respond and like to stay in that nice, efficient place even when you might not want to. My Dad’s car paddle shifters to simulate a traditional transmission, which might obviate the problem (he uses them on occasion), but I didn’t when I drove it and frankly it seems a bit silly. My Mom’s car has a mild hybrid setup where there’s an electric motor within the CVT which obviates that. I’ve been in CVT-equipped Nissans which were really loud and constantly sounded broken (even though they were in good working order), but that’s probably a Nissan problem, not a CVT problem.
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Post by Albert Fish Taco on May 30, 2016 17:52:24 GMT -5
I think it depends on the kind of driver you are—both my parents’ cars (both Subarus) have CVT’s, now, which is kind of surprising given that my mother (who follows automotive stuff surprisingly closely) was very anti-CVT as recently as a few years ago. If you like to push your car a little a CVT might not be for you—in my (very limited) experience they aren’t really as quick to respond and like to stay in that nice, efficient place even when you might not want to. My Dad’s car paddle shifters to simulate a traditional transmission, which might obviate the problem (he uses them on occasion), but I didn’t when I drove it and frankly it seems a bit silly. My Mom’s car has a mild hybrid setup where there’s an electric motor within the CVT which obviates that. I’ve been in CVT-equipped Nissans which were really loud and constantly sounded broken (even though they were in good working order), but that’s probably a Nissan problem, not a CVT problem. I guess it's the kind of thing where once you get used to it not having any problem accelerating when needed despite not feeling like it, it's no issue. I do like decent acceleration, but generally not car oriented enough to care about feel if it does what I want. Also never notice noise since I'll have the radio or a CD playing to drown it out anyway.
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Post by haysoos on Jun 3, 2016 10:21:58 GMT -5
I'm on my second vehicle with CVT - although they've both been Subaru Foresters, so probably not much difference between the two.
In terms of acceleration, the CVT is smoother and has better acceleration than any automatic I've ever driven except right off the line. Part of this might also be that these were turbo-charged engines, and thus attributable to turbo-lag.
My car has the flappy paddles, and a mode that will allegedly simulate an 8-speed manual or some such, but I've never used it.
With the steady power, and no clunks during acceleration it is remarkably easy to accidentally find myself quickly hitting 100+ kph (60+ mph) when just trying to get out of the clusterfuck of ninnies at the last red light.
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Post by Baron von Costume on Mar 2, 2017 12:05:30 GMT -5
I'm on my second vehicle with CVT - although they've both been Subaru Foresters, so probably not much difference between the two. In terms of acceleration, the CVT is smoother and has better acceleration than any automatic I've ever driven except right off the line. Part of this might also be that these were turbo-charged engines, and thus attributable to turbo-lag. My car has the flappy paddles, and a mode that will allegedly simulate an 8-speed manual or some such, but I've never used it. With the steady power, and no clunks during acceleration it is remarkably easy to accidentally find myself quickly hitting 100+ kph (60+ mph) when just trying to get out of the clusterfuck of ninnies at the last red light. Sorry for the thread necromancy but haysoos I take it you like the Forester? I'm looking at the Outback/Forester/CX-5 and while I like the Outback the most (especially space wise) finding a used one with the feature set I like is proving difficult. The only one I found was white, ick whereas I have found a few Foresters in my price range/feature sweet spot.
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Post by haysoos on Mar 2, 2017 12:14:45 GMT -5
I'm on my second vehicle with CVT - although they've both been Subaru Foresters, so probably not much difference between the two. In terms of acceleration, the CVT is smoother and has better acceleration than any automatic I've ever driven except right off the line. Part of this might also be that these were turbo-charged engines, and thus attributable to turbo-lag. My car has the flappy paddles, and a mode that will allegedly simulate an 8-speed manual or some such, but I've never used it. With the steady power, and no clunks during acceleration it is remarkably easy to accidentally find myself quickly hitting 100+ kph (60+ mph) when just trying to get out of the clusterfuck of ninnies at the last red light. Sorry for the thread necromancy but haysoos I take it you like the Forester? I'm looking at the Outback/Forester/CX-5 and while I like the Outback the most (especially space wise) finding a used one with the feature set I like is proving difficult. The only one I found was white, ick whereas I have found a few Foresters in my price range/feature sweet spot. I haven't any problems at all with my Foresters, and they have so far been my favourite vehicles I've ever owned. I am looking at getting an Outback for my next vehicle, but if I can't swing one, I'll probably go for another Forester.
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Post by Baron von Costume on Mar 2, 2017 12:19:28 GMT -5
Sorry for the thread necromancy but haysoos I take it you like the Forester? I'm looking at the Outback/Forester/CX-5 and while I like the Outback the most (especially space wise) finding a used one with the feature set I like is proving difficult. The only one I found was white, ick whereas I have found a few Foresters in my price range/feature sweet spot. I haven't any problems at all with my Foresters, and they have so far been my favourite vehicles I've ever owned. I am looking at getting an Outback for my next vehicle, but if I can't swing one, I'll probably go for another Forester. Yeah, I like them I just like the Outback a bit more at first blush. I really like the CX-5 as but getting the sort of stuff I want in it means I'm paying as much as an Outback anyway. If I was leasing a new one like I'd been considering I'd likely go CX-5 due to loyalty bonuses but I've decided to be a bit more financially prudent and get a used one this time around.
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Post by Not a real doctor on Mar 2, 2017 15:11:52 GMT -5
Hey! Subaru talk! I'm strongly leaning toward the littlest AWD Subaru (the Crosstrek) for my next vehicle in the next couple of months. It seems like it'll be perfect for my "drive 200 miles on the interstate, then the final 3 miles up an old, rutted, two lane mining road" field research lifestyle. I currently have an older Ford Ranger and replacing it with a new pickup is ridiculous since they've all become giant, godawfully expensive barges with terrible fuel economy. I'm planning to keep my old Ranger for hauling crap (literal and otherwise) since its not worth anything on the trade in or resale market anymore but I use the hell out of it as a truck and just buying a small car to drive.
Foresters are in the "possibly" category but Outbacks are in the "newest generation has gotten too big for my liking" category.
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Post by Baron von Costume on Mar 2, 2017 15:16:50 GMT -5
Hey! Subaru talk! I'm strongly leaning toward the littlest AWD Subaru (the Crosstrek) for my next vehicle in the next couple of months. It seems like it'll be perfect for my "drive 200 miles on the interstate, then the final 3 miles up an old, rutted, two lane mining road" field research lifestyle. I currently have an older Ford Ranger and replacing it with a new pickup is ridiculous since they've all become giant, godawfully expensive barges with terrible fuel economy. I'm planning to keep my old Ranger for hauling crap (literal and otherwise) since its not worth anything on the trade in or resale market anymore but I use the hell out of it as a truck and just buying a small car to drive. Foresters are in the "possibly" category but Outbacks are in the "newest generation has gotten too big for my liking" category. Have you actually sat in one? I was thinking about one too then realized when I sat in it that I felt cramped (I have broad shoulders) and that interior space wise it had no real increase from my Mazda 3. I'm basically buying on for the same reason though except the old rutted mining road is my terrible ice rutted back lane. Driving out of it this morning was an exercise in cringing as I heard the bumps and scrapes on my already very rusty undercarriage.
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Post by Not a real doctor on Mar 2, 2017 15:27:12 GMT -5
Have you actually sat in one? I was thinking about one too then realized when I sat in it that I felt cramped (I have broad shoulders) and that interior space wise it had no real increase from my Mazda 3. I'm basically buying on for the same reason though except the old rutted mining road is my terrible ice rutted back lane. Driving out of it this morning was an exercise in cringing as I heard the bumps and scrapes on my already very rusty undercarriage. I test drove one back around Xmas. I'm quite a bit smaller than I look so it was a decent fit for me (I'm only 5'8 with shoes on and mostly wear size medium shirts so I'm not very big guy).
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Post by Baron von Costume on Mar 3, 2017 12:43:11 GMT -5
Ugh,
Driving out of my back lane I fell into the rut and heart a nasty bang and scrape this morning. Not sure my exhaust system is going to be happy.
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Post by Jean-Luc Lemur on Mar 3, 2017 17:16:44 GMT -5
I'm on my second vehicle with CVT - although they've both been Subaru Foresters, so probably not much difference between the two. In terms of acceleration, the CVT is smoother and has better acceleration than any automatic I've ever driven except right off the line. Part of this might also be that these were turbo-charged engines, and thus attributable to turbo-lag. My car has the flappy paddles, and a mode that will allegedly simulate an 8-speed manual or some such, but I've never used it. With the steady power, and no clunks during acceleration it is remarkably easy to accidentally find myself quickly hitting 100+ kph (60+ mph) when just trying to get out of the clusterfuck of ninnies at the last red light. Oh yes I drove my a bit Dad’s this winter and I definitely found myself going more quickly than I expected on arterial streets with multiple green lights. No turbo, even.
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Post by Albert Fish Taco on Mar 4, 2017 12:49:33 GMT -5
A little after this thread started, I got a 2016 Subaru Impreza hatchback w/CVT. I have barely noticed the feel of the transmission to be honest.
I'm very happy with it so far. Honestly the only (relatively minor) issues I have with it are that the remote starter fob is too sensitive so that I have to keep my car keys out of my pants pockets (especially jeans) to avoid accidentally turning it on through bending/bumping/sudden slight twists, and that the volume on the bluetooth sync doesn't go high enough. I got it as a 3 year lease, but may even end up buying it outright (especially if they make a good offer to do so towards the end).
It's been good in the winter so far (though to be fair it's been a mild one by me). I had been on pace to end up well below the lease milage for a while, but between my girlfriend living about 25 miles north and the semi-cross country trip I'm going to do in May that's being reversed.
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